G.I. Joe Renegades - "Busted" - Talkback [01/28]

[The Huntsman]

Today @ 5:30 PM ET on The Hub

I missed the last episode. I may watch it today, since it airs right before this episode, although it seems a lot of people didn't like it very much. Hopefully people like this one better.

Duke is arrested while buying parts for the Coyote, and the Joes have to break him out of jail before others can find him.

[Mandouga]

The way I figure it, one of two things will happen (barring any unexpected third thing): either Duke will be rescued (as I expect/assume will happen), or the show will drag it out in multiple parts (two at the least). Either way, this episode was the "wrong answer". That is, either way, it once again unnecessarily reminds us of the situation the Joes are in; something we've known since day one. I'll still watch the episode, but I'm personally starting to get a little tired of being reminded of the premise every other episode (or at least that's how it feels to me)...

EDIT: Okay, so I'm watching the episode, and it looks like Duke getting arrested had nothing to do with their situation (at least not completely). OTOH, the warden does know who Duke is, AND he is a corrupt warden exploiting prisoners for his own gain. I guess this means that this episode has that unexpected third thing I mentioned.

Either way, this episode still delayed proceedings. I don't know hoa many episodes they've made, but I hope we come to some resolution soon...

[AdamYJ]

I thought it was a pretty good episode. Scarlett's "trailer trash" disguise was hilarious. When I saw the guard with the dog, I thought we might be getting a cameo from Mutt and Junkyard, but according to Wikipedia the civilian name doesn't match.

[Gilgamesh]

White Trash Scarlet is the greatest character in anything.

[sparkykandy]

When I saw the guard with the dog, I thought we might be getting a cameo from Mutt and Junkyard, but according to Wikipedia the civilian name doesn't match.

I'm pretty sure that the cameo appearance is with Law (the human) and Order (the dog) instead. I'm only pretty familiar with the Sunbow cartoon when it comes to the G.I. Joe franchise, but the two of them appeared in the animated movie.

But anyways, I thought it was a pretty decent episode. Sure, the episode didn't deal with the whole Cobra conspiracy thing at all, but if every episode dealt with the conspiracy and everything, it would get pretty tiring real quick.

I was pretty happy to see the cameo with Law and Order. :anime: Probably because I'm somewhat of a dog person. Also, Scarlett's trailer trash disguise was pretty funny, though part of me couldn't help but wonder what she was stashing under the shirt to achieve that pregnant belly look. Oh, and her previous failed attempts at disguise were kinda funny too. Though I do wonder where all those clothes came from...

I'm kind of frustrated that Flint's still kind of a jerk, but I'm guessing he won't be changing his ways until later. Plus, I have no idea if this episode was supposed to come before the two-parter "Homecoming" episode or not. Flint did seem to soften up a bit in that two-parter, and I was kind of hoping that we would see more of his nicer side but meh.

[Cookie]

Scarlet's diguise had me laughing... Jake's comments about her too. I had to rewind that part. XD

The animation was pretty good this week.

Edit: Watching it again, and I'm still laughing.

[Monte]

Ya, unlike the dreadnoks episode, this was a departure from Cobra that i did enjoy. Interesting situation to find themselves in, and the warden came off as pretty threatening because of the level of control he had; again unlike the dreadnoks who could never take as being much of a threat

one thing i kinda took issue with was scarlet's failed attempts at disguise. I mean when it comes down to it, isn't she essentially supposed to be a spy. I mean i don't expect her to be a master of disguise, but i'd atleast expect her to be well prepared for obvious questions instead of just making it up as she went. Though her trailer trash disguise was funny.

[Lord Mawdryn]

Scarlett demanding to see "her baby's daddy" made me do a genuine spit-take with my can of soda.

Best. One-liner. Currently.
:anime:

Duke's reaction when he saw her in disguise was equally priceless.

one thing i kinda took issue with was scarlet's failed attempts at disguise. I mean when it comes down to it, isn't she essentially supposed to be a spy. I mean i don't expect her to be a master of disguise, but i'd atleast expect her to be well prepared for obvious questions instead of just making it up as she went.

There are different types of intelligence agents. While some specialize in covert infiltration of various organizations, the majority are likely not and fall more under the role of card-carrying investigators and data analysts rather than super spies.

[SecondBanana]

I'm yet another with the Scarlett was priceless in this episode. All the parts really seemed to gel in this one for all the positives mentioned here. I think this is the closest yet to that breakout show I'm waiting for.

As for the question\note about the alternate clothes... I assumed various thrift stores in whatever area the Joes are in.

[Monte]

There are different types of intelligence agents. While some specialize in covert infiltration of various organizations, the majority are likely not and fall more under the role of card-carrying investigators and data analysts rather than super spies.

Well Duke was the first one to refer to her as a spy
Also I would think a "card carrying investigator" could do better than "John trout"

[Ed Liu]

I thought it was a pretty good episode, all around. There's still a few things that kind of make me nuts, mostly that an MP unit should not, can not, and probably would not attempt to take down a corrupt civilian prison warden, at least not without risking court martial and criminal prosecution for it 'cuz soldiers aren't allowed to be civilian cops. However, it did manage to be entertaining and fun in the end.

For a military spy, Scarlett sure is a rotten liar. She did more than make up for it with the trailer trash disguise, though. I'm actually more curious where they came up with the $500 to buy the cable from the chop shop.

Tunnel Rat also won the day with his snappy comebacks. He's definitely becoming one of my favorite characters on the show.

This is also another episode that I think should have come earlier in the season. Again, it's something about how they interact with Snake Eyes, and considering the ninja traning he sent the Joes through in "Return of the Arashikage," you'd think they'd be better able to handle a smoke bomb escape. The fact that they only seem to discover the Coyote's camouflage mode now when I'm pretty sure they've already used it also kind of weirds me out (unless the holographic camo mode is different from the tech they use to change the Coyote's colors).

I'm pretty sure that the cameo appearance is with Law (the human) and Order (the dog) instead. I'm only pretty familiar with the Sunbow cartoon when it comes to the G.I. Joe franchise, but the two of them appeared in the animated movie.

Yeah, the prison guard and his dog are Law & Order. I have no idea why they picked those two rather than Mutt & Junkyard for a cameo. It's true that L&O's MP background would make them a better fit for a prison guard and his dog, but L&O never had the kind of traction that Mutt & Junkyard did.

Plus, Mutt and Junkyard were cool and, at least in the movie, Law & Order really kind of weren't . Oh, well.

The way I figure it, one of two things will happen (barring any unexpected third thing): either Duke will be rescued (as I expect/assume will happen), or the show will drag it out in multiple parts (two at the least). Either way, this episode was the "wrong answer". That is, either way, it once again unnecessarily reminds us of the situation the Joes are in; something we've known since day one.

So in a show where the whole pitch is that the Joes are fugitives from justice, you'd rather that they not bring up the fact that the Joes are fugitives from justice? What are they supposed to do stories about then?

[Gilgamesh]

Scarlet's diguise had me laughing...

It got better when it was you had her standing dramatically. In her white trash disguise.

I love this show.

[Lord Mawdryn]

Originally Posted by Lord Mawdryn
There are different types of intelligence agents. While some specialize in covert infiltration of various organizations, the majority are likely not and fall more under the role of card-carrying investigators and data analysts rather than super spies.

Well Duke was the first one to refer to her as a spy

Which actually doesn't mean that she was one, just something Duke called her without really knowing what she actually does in Intelligence.

Also I would think a "card carrying investigator" could do better than "John trout"

Depends if they ever had to do any undercover work. I think Scarlett was more of a "FBI-type" agent than a "CIA-type" one in Intelligence and probably never had to go undercover until she hooked up with the Joes. From the first episode, it seemed that Scarlett was kind of a newbie as far as sneaking around and lying, which would fit someone who was used to working in official capacities rather than covert ones, IMO.

[Mandouga]

I'm kind of frustrated that Flint's still kind of a jerk, but I'm guessing he won't be changing his ways until later.

...if at all. As it currently stands, Flint is a one-dimensional character who views himself as just a soldier who is only following orders, when he should be following his heart. In any case, we really don't know whether or not he'll actually "get it". Besides, don't forget that Flint has actually assumed that Duke had committed that crime.

So in a show where the whole pitch is that the Joes are fugitives from justice, you'd rather that they not bring up the fact that the Joes are fugitives from justice? What are they supposed to do stories about then?

Obviously they have to bring it up at some point, but the problem is that when they do, they just simply remind us of the situation they are in in a spur of the moment, (mostly) without progression to some kind of resolution. How about stories where they actually try to clear their names wherein they gradually (but not to gradually) come closer and closer to finally accomplishing their goal? I would rather they did stories about that instead of just reminding us about their situation. We know they're fugitives already, now we need to see them actually try to do something about it. I think "Homecoming" did something like that...only to go back to the status quo, meaning they are no closer to clearing their names then they were before that episode.

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't like it when a show drags out a plot like this. For this reason, I really hope we come to some kind of resolution soon...

[Gold Guy]

Scarlet's disguise took me by surprise. Other than that, I found the episode only okay.

[GregX]

...if at all. As it currently stands, Flint is a one-dimensional character who views himself as just a soldier who is only following orders, when he should be following his heart.

Try that in the real military and see how fast you either a. get dishonorably discharged or b. get sent to military prison.

And for that matter, how is Flint supposed to know that Duke is innocent? Does Flint have access to the series' scripts? Is he watching it on TV?

[Lord Sidious]

This episode is OK.

NO Tomax and Xamot!!! I thought they will be in this one.

I think this kind of writing fits better as a live-action show.

Since the first 2-parter, this series has gone down hill.

I thought it was going to surpass Resolute. Hopefully I'm wrong when the series fully develops.

Anyways, Mutt and Junkyard was in episode 2.

There was a kid who has a dog that looks like Junkyard and the kid's name was Stan.

Stanley is Mutt's real name. Could be a coincidence

[GregX]

NO Tomax and Xamot!!! I thought they will be in this one.

You can't believe everything wikipedia says.

[Monte]

For a military spy, Scarlett sure is a rotten liar. She did more than make up for it with the trailer trash disguise, though. I'm actually more curious where they came up with the $500 to buy the cable from the chop shop.

Ah yes i was thinking the same
First thing that popped into my mind when they got to the chop shop was "how are they gonna pay for this stuff"... only makes you think of what they have been doing about gas, ammo, food and so forth. Its an element that has been rather ignored... i mean i would assume that the military would be able to freeze the joe's bank accounts to prevent them access or something like that

I think a simple explanation might be the breaker has been collecting donations and thus is able to wire them the money they need

Its actually one thing i was thinking when Breaker had to start a new life... i mean he might be able to get his equipment from his place, but otherwise he'd need to disappear. Change his name, find a new place to live, and find a way to support himself. accessing his bank account or even telling his family that he was alive could risk revealing himself to cobra.

Depends if they ever had to do any undercover work. I think Scarlett was more of a "FBI-type" agent than a "CIA-type" one in Intelligence and probably never had to go undercover until she hooked up with the Joes. From the first episode, it seemed that Scarlett was kind of a newbie as far as sneaking around and lying, which would fit someone who was used to working in official capacities rather than covert ones, IMO.

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out "I'm gonna need a fake name"
Really her mistakes were just so mind boggling obvious...

Obviously they have to bring it up at some point, but the problem is that when they do, they just simply remind us of the situation they are in in a spur of the moment, (mostly) without progression to some kind of resolution. How about stories where they actually try to clear their names wherein they gradually (but not to gradually) come closer and closer to finally accomplishing their goal? I would rather they did stories about that instead of just reminding us about their situation. We know they're fugitives already, now we need to see them actually try to do something about it. I think "Homecoming" did something like that...only to go back to the status quo, meaning they are no closer to clearing their names then they were before that episode.

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't like it when a show drags out a plot like this. For this reason, I really hope we come to some kind of resolution soon...

It has only been like 3 episodes...
oppurtunities to expose cobra will not pop up everyday... afterall for ever illegal tacitly there are probably like a half-dozen or so legit ones.
Also you have to take into account how dull the plot can get with them going after cobra... afterall the show is about them being renegades, and that will end the same day the find real evidence on cobra. so any episode they go after evidence you know it will end with cobra stopping them or covering it up. These kinds of episode gives us something else to watch rather than the same basic plot over and over again... unless you want to see like 20 failed attempts at information gathering =/

frankly i do not expect things to change until the end of the season... that's when i would expect the joes to finally expose cobra, for cobra to reveal its true colors, and begin the offical fromation of the gi joes

And for that matter, how is Flint supposed to know that Duke is innocent? Does Flint have access to the series' scripts? Is he watching it on TV?

Well i have found it rather odd how hardheaded Flint is. I mean his theory that Duke's "backer" is willing to and able to assault a military train to silence the joes is about as farfetched as cobra being involved in illegal activities. Sure i don't expect him to believe in biosoldiers and everything on Breakers' website, but a company that does make military grade weapons being involved in illegal weapons trafficking is not that farfetched. Not to mention there are occasional witnesses, such as the farmers who saw the bioviper and duke's parents who would recall being knocked out after being paid a visit by cobra. And then there's the fact that flint knows duke and as such should not so easily believe that Duke would just go rouge (unless he had reason to believe that Duke would do something like that just for money or that he desperately needed the money).

At this point, flint should be highly suspicious of cobra and open to believing duke, but still trying to take duke down because he has his orders.

NO Tomax and Xamot!!! I thought they will be in this one.

If i had to guess, i'd say that they would probably show up in "Brothers of light" 4 or 5 episodes from now

[Lord Mawdryn]

Originally Posted by Lord Mawdryn
Depends if they ever had to do any undercover work. I think Scarlett was more of a "FBI-type" agent than a "CIA-type" one in Intelligence and probably never had to go undercover until she hooked up with the Joes. From the first episode, it seemed that Scarlett was kind of a newbie as far as sneaking around and lying, which would fit someone who was used to working in official capacities rather than covert ones, IMO.

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out "I'm gonna need a fake name"
Really her mistakes were just so mind boggling obvious...

For someone not trained or really suited for undercover work, yeah, it was. She then had to get creative...