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    buffy series finallie

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    this episode didnt seem just quite right you know. it was all wrong. nothing was in place. i didnt like it. cant put my finger on it but it just wasnt what it was supposed to be.

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    Re: buffy series finallie

    Originally posted by joker
    this episode didnt seem just quite right you know. it was all wrong. nothing was in place. i didnt like it. cant put my finger on it but it just wasnt what it was supposed to be.
    Do you mean the way the episode was put together, that it should have been more if it was a finale? Or do you mean that the writers intentionally made it wrong in order to bring about a Buffy resurrection?

    I will address these issues, and more, in my weekly Buffy/Angel post.
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    Killercroc! Hurry and post it! I got an prediction on Buffy's resurrection. BTW - I really enjoyed the ep. It's gonna look great on DVD whenever Fox releases them!
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    BUFFY and ANGEL

    I was chilled when I saw Buffy's epiphany and death. "My gift," she murmurs seconds before she jumps into the...void (for lack of a better word)? Seeing her gravestone somehow clinched it for me, made her demise real...or are you guys saying she isn't dead? I've been trying to figure out how they can have a series without its star on UPN. Unless (a) Dawn will be the new slayer and will commune weekly with Buffy's ghost or (b) Spike brings back his Buffybot.
    The question of Spike's soul is also answered by the old demon, who says he doesn't smell one on the vampire...so unlike Angel he hasn't been given one; the only thing between him and immorality is a thin sliver of silicone in his brain. Still, for a soulless man, he seems the most self-sacrificing and weeps the most over Buffy's dead body. His speech about blood is also very unnerving: "It's always blood...why do you think we like to eat it? It strengthens us...keeps us warm."
    Giles strangles Ben slowly as he lies beaten at Buffy's hand. I'd never have thought that prim and proper limey had it in him. His eyes were cold as he did it, too. If it had been up to me I'd have found a way to spare Ben and dispose of Glory, maybe by throwing her through the portal and exiling her to a parallel universe...one where the sky is purple, maybe, or a world without shrimp.
    Willow helps Tara regain her senses...and Xander proposes to Anya? [slap] "Can I take that as a 'maybe' ?"

    Angel showed us that Cordy is more than a dippy little self-indulgent brat; when offered the chance to get rid of her brainbuster visions by passing them to the Gruselag--and while komschucking an Adonis to boot--she actually said no. This demonstrates great character growth and nobility; a season ago she would have said, "Hot d***!" and dragged him to the bedchamber. Cordy the Great Emancipator abdicates the throne, putting Gru in her place. Great line: "In a free society, should everybody be bowing?" Well...freedom is no excuse for discourtesy, after all.
    Did anyone else just about crap themselves when Lorne's severed head spoke? Seems his race can survive as just a head as long as the body is still intact. How did his head rejoin his body, though? I mean, did it just spontaneously reconnect or were there surgical tools involved? I'm hoping the latter, as Lorne's mother's farm doesn't look clean enough for reconstructive surgery. Actually, it doesn't look clean enough to breed pigs. It seems, also, the rift in Lorne's family won't be mending anytime soon. No gold ring and fat calf for this
    prodigal son.
    Angel, even at his worst, refrains from killing Groo, demonstrating that he is "a man with a demon within, not the opposite". Fred does return with Angel and company to L.A....and she seems a bit more lucid at times. Still, as I said, she's going to need intensive psychtherapy...and a taco. Maybe after a few months of treatment she can work her way up to burritos, and someday she'll even be able to handle a Gordita.
    The appearance of Willow at the end sort of damps down the mood of the joyful homecomecoming, and ties the two shows' plotlines together. The question is, will news of his lover's death drive Angel mad and bring out something in him that's ten times worse that what we saw on Lorne's world?

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    Re: BUFFY and ANGEL

    Originally posted by DR. BELCH
    [B]or are you guys saying she isn't dead?
    I really don't know. Now that you mention it, maybe she's not dead at all. I'm concerned about having three slayers running around if she comes back(Faith came because of another time that Buffy "died"). but maybe she's not dead this time. I am almost positive that she will continue to be the slayer next season.

    I contend that whatever she went to her house with Spike for will be what brings her back next season.

    The question of Spike's soul is also answered by the old demon, who says he doesn't smell one on the vampire...so unlike Angel he hasn't been given one; the only thing between him and immorality is a thin sliver of silicone in his brain. Still, for a soulless man, he seems the most self-sacrificing and weeps the most over Buffy's dead body.
    Yeah, what's up with him. It's always been, "if you're a vampire with no soul you're evil and that's all there is too it" in the Buffiverse. So Spike is really a quandry. Was that rule trumped by the "If you're an interesting character and the fans like you we'll do anything to keep you around" rule?


    a world without shrimp.
    Now why does that sound familiar? Can't put my finger on it, but I've heard that somewhere.


    Angel, even at his worst, refrains from killing Groo,
    That's how I hoped it would be spelled, in honor of Groo the wander!
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