Super-Confused

[Webryder]

Somebody please explain why they don't think he'd be a good choice for The Man of Steel in this up coming flick (Batman v Superman)???



Looks like the guy fits the bill to me......I mean he looks like he can kick the crap outta both Batman AND Robin regardless if he was Superman or not! (lol)

But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong

Comments?

[Patrick Bateman]

Because he's too short and just doesn't have a Superman feel to him. He'll always be the guy from Ripley's Believe it or Not. Superman needs to be a man who looks like no one would want to mess with him. No offence to Dean Cain, but I don't think he would scare a super-villain standing under 6 feet tall.

[Joe Wagner]

I disagree - personally I think Dean Cain would great as the Man of Steel in the new WB movie. Dean showed that he could play a convincing Man of Steel in Lois and Clark but I think that with better special effects and better writing Dean could finally be given the chance to prove himself as a star - making Superman his breakout role, again.

-Joe!

[Webryder]

Ok, Where in the world did you get the idea that Superman has to use fear to fight crime, that's Batman's m.o.

You got your superheros mixed up.

[Webryder]

Originally posted by JJWspider
I disagree - personally I think Dean Cain would great as the Man of Steel in the new WB movie. Dean showed that he could play a convincing Man of Steel in Lois and Clark but I think that with better special effects and better writing Dean could finally be given the chance to prove himself as a star - making Superman his breakout role, again.

-Joe!

Yeah JJW!

Cain's got Superman written all over him. He has the classicly handsome looks, the subtle charm and confidence while still remaining humble. He's like a live-action counterpart of the STAS version.

[Patrick Bateman]

I don't have them mixed up. I didn't mean that Superman used fear, i guess the word I was looking for was intimidating. The Man of Steel needs to be intimidating. Dean Cain just doesn't have the rugged, powerful look that Superman needs. Thats all I was trying to say.

[Nightflower]

Originally posted by Batman Year One
Because he's too short and just doesn't have a Superman feel to him. He'll always be the guy from Ripley's Believe it or Not. Superman needs to be a man who looks like no one would want to mess with him. No offence to Dean Cain, but I don't think he would scare a super-villain standing under 6 feet tall.

Hey man, Wolverine's supposed to be pretty darn short and he's intimidating enough. :P

Besides, Dean Cain's got a boyish charm to him and I think Superman's supposed to have that too.

[Daredevil_2003]

Originally posted by Nightflower
Hey man, Wolverine's supposed to be pretty darn short and he's intimidating enough. :P

Yeah, but the 12" claws that come out of his hands and his nasty temper with a short fuse might have something to do with that , not to mention the fact that he's nearly invincible!

[Webryder]

Originally posted by Daredevil_2003
Yeah, but the 12" claws that come out of his hands and his nasty temper with a short fuse might have something to do with that , not to mention the fact that he's nearly invincible!

The brings up an intresting side question, could Adamantium be stron enuff to pierce the Man of Steels skin?

Hmmmm....let me think about that one.....ok I thought about it....NOT A CHANCE

But if not Cain people, then who?

[James]

I thought Dean was good for what they were trying to do - a character based story based on Clark rather than Superman. But for a Superman flick I think they need someone a little more well built and, I have to disagree NF, a little less boyish.

Someone a little more built and with a strong chiselled chin. Someone who looks more like an icon than a boy band icon (sorry Dean! ). In a Supes/Batman project we need someone who represents Superman rather than Clark. Who, I have no clue. Perhaps an unknown - that would be nice.

[Webryder]

Originally posted by SJJ
Who, I have no clue. Perhaps an unknown - that would be nice.

An unknown if were LUCKY That would be the ultimate way I would like them to go with this movie, but it looks like the execs overseeing this project and the director want to get these castings fasttracked and outta the way so they're probably not going to spend the time it takes looking for that perfect balance in an unknown-someone who looks the part, but can act, WHILE doing action.

But who knows, maybe that person will come to them, stranger things have happened

[Jor-El]

Dean Cain used to be called Superboy by fans. That's what I'm going to call him now. He simply looks too childish. Superman doesn't have to intimidate, but he does need to immediately command respect and authority. Dean Cain couldn't do it.

I think he'd be a pretty decent Kyle Rayner with a decent script and the right hair. I think he could be Captain Marvel if it was done properly. I think he could be a lot of things, but Superman isn't it.

The only way I could be totally happy with Superman is if they went with another unknown. Look at how well it worked for Smallville. Tom Welling wasn't a big-name actor by any means and I happen to think he's the very most appropriately-cast Clark Kent since Tim Daly was chosen to voice the animated series.

Ideally, this movie would wait another 10 years to give Tom some time to physically age some more. He's actually probably just about as old as Superman, but he looks just as young as Cain. I don't know though. Maybe with a haircut...

Tom Welling in 10 years is my answer to who I think could be the best Superman for this movie. You fire up the time machine and we'll go get him.

[Webryder]

So that I get this straight, all the descenters in the group want a Superman that has a sort of commanding prescence about him, a person that would make us believe that a normal thug or "John Q. Criminal" on the street would be at least intimidated by.......

Hmmm......something like this?





Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying one way or another that I'm for or against him getting the part, I'm just trying to gauge where the majority of the peoples heads are at in their view of who best could give a good Superman performance

[Bleu Unicorn]

I think Dean Cain would do a fine job. I think if given the chance he'd make an incredible Superman. His part on Lois & Clark showed that, albeit (I think) in a very limited way. Unfortunately, whether or not the execs want him is one problem. Plus the fact that he's recently had a child (I think it's a boy... I forget) and he's said numerous times he's not willing to be separated from him/her for great lengths of time while he/she is so young, thus the Ripley's hosting, and lack of films in recent history..

Anyway, as for this intimidating, domineering or whatever you want to phrase it as Superman. No, I don't think he needs to be like that. Superman has, and unfortunately for any hard-core fans (which I am so not), he'll always be the "Boy Scout." And as such, he doesn't need to be this intimidating figure to do so. While of course, he needs to at least look big and strong and whathaveyou, and obviously be in shape -- I don't think he needs to be some drill sergeant.

Hmm, I'm going to have to think of someone I'd like in this role that fits what I'm trying to say now 'cause I don't think I'm saying what I mean very clearly.

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by Batman Year One
I don't have them mixed up. I didn't mean that Superman used fear, i guess the word I was looking for was intimidating. The Man of Steel needs to be intimidating. Dean Cain just doesn't have the rugged, powerful look that Superman needs. Thats all I was trying to say.

I think the intimidation comes in the character's performance, not specifically their height. Michael Keaton did a good job as Batman and boy did HE not look the part AT ALL. Dean Cain on the other hand, looks like Superman AND performs his character really well. And it's ironic someone only sees the Ripley's Believe It or Not when they look at him, because as far as I'm concerned he's Superman first. I think it's also cuz he did Lois and Clark first, didn't he? I dunno, I never watched that Ripley's show.

And I think the whole intimidation is seen more from the viewers/fans than it is Clark himself. Clark's only motivation is a "simple clean up job," hoping people will follow the example of his helping hand attitude.

But is that a recent shot of him?? I mean it's perfect and all, just like how he looked during Lois & Clark, but I mean, he's a daddy now. Yeah I know getting him in shape for the part if he needed it can be done, and I'm for it, but I didn't know he still looked THAT on the spot these days.

[Jor-El]

I guess I'm the minority as usual. Dean Cain did not do a good job at all as Superman. Maybe it was the costume that didn't make him look very strong at all. Maybe it was the poorly written scripts or the directing that made him seem like he was less of an actor than he could've been.

Whatever it was, Dean Cain didn't work.

I'm not saying that I support that other guy more than I support other possibilities, but I will support him over Cain even without knowing who he is.

I don't want anyone thinking I'm making any sort of accusations because I'm trying very hard not to. But I know there is something of an underlying, unspoken Bat-preference on these forums. Could you be saying that you want to see Dean Cain because you want Batman to seem so much cooler and more powerful than Superman? Because you don't care who is Superman due to the fact that it will never make you like the character more? Or is it because you genuinely felt that Dean Cain did a good job, (which, as things stand, I feel he did NOT.)

Then again, people inexplicably love John Wesley Shipp as Barry Allen from the 1990 series, despite the fact that Shipp was a goon and that character was NOT written as the Barry Allen I grew up respecting. So maybe we'll have to agree to disagree on the matter.

[Patrick Bateman]

Lois & Clark sucked. It was a soap opera first and a Superman series second. It seemed based more on The Days of Our Lives than Superman comics. That was NOT Superman. Watch Superman: The Movie or Superman: The Animated Series. Now THAT is Superman.

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by Barry Allen
But I know there is something of an underlying, unspoken Bat-preference on these forums. Could you be saying that you want to see Dean Cain because you want Batman to seem so much cooler and more powerful than Superman?

Of course not. Not in the very least. We're open minded and biased to characters we love AND don't love just the same. The thing is some people actually liked Dean Cain as Superman. I don't think he was the best, but I think he did well. For example, there wasn't much of a dynamic between Clark and Superman so I can see how that would turn someone off to Lois & Clark's Superman character.

Besides, Peterson is doing a completely different project than Lois & Clark did, so it's not like we'd be seeing the same Superman. So all that's left is the look Dean's got, and I think it's a good one, for the most part. And like I said above, getting past the look can be done by an actor as long as they nailed the character.

[Marc]

Superman doesn't have to intimidate, but he does need to immediately command respect and authority. Dean Cain couldn't do it.

Whoever plays the role of Superman has to be a believable leader. You have to be able to see this actor leading the Justice League and ordering Wonder Woman and Flash around (regardless of whether or not those other characters appear in the film).

To quote Kingdom Come, I believe it was Big Barda who said regarding Supes: "I'd follow that man to Apokolips."
That sums up Superman's presence pretty well. And Dean Cain just doesn't have that aura about him.

I think an unknown actor is the only way to go.

[Joe Wagner]

As a BIG Supes fan I'm going to have to stick to my assesment that Dean would be able to pull off being Superman in the Worlds Finest movie. While I enjoyed Lois and Clark it was never meant to be the adventure fest that we expect Superman to be. However we did learn that Dean could easily play a convincing Clark Kent so that's half the battle. On the Superman side I think a better suit, a better director and better effects could really give Dean the chance to shine as the Man of Steel.

Much like Tobey McGuire in Spider-Man I honestly think a big budget Superman role could seriously catapult Dean's career as he would give a convincing appearance of the Man of Tommorrow.

Nightwing - Ripleys came out a few years after Lois and Clark had ended.

-Joe!