From least to worse what's your favorite Star Trek series?

[I.R Joey]

K give it to me trekkies.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by I.R Joey
K give it to me trekkies.

DS9 was definitely the best of the four. The quality of storytelling was exceptional and the existence of a larger story that encompassed the entire series allowed the show to do things the others couldn't. TOS and TNG are tied and second. Voyager's easily the worst. Lackluster writing destroyed the series. Hopefully Enterprise will be good, but I'm really upset about them doing a 5th series so soon. When I heard about the premise, I was just disgusted. Hopefully it'll turn out all right.

[Calhoun07]

Deep Space Nine rocks. And I think Sisko is the best Star Trek captain EVER. Not only did he fight off the Dominion, but he held his own against Klingons and even got rid of that pesky Q. The series did have the best story lines, but I think the last season suffered with the new Dax, whom I hated ferociously.

The Next Generation comes in second for me, tho season two and season six were the worst ever (if season six is the one with that stupid Evolution episode. WORST EPISODE EVER!)

Voyager is third for me, and the original series is dead last. And the way I pick my favorites is which series has the most episodes I would watch again and again. There is not ONE in DS9 I wouldn't watch again, while NG had some true dogs, and Voyager was good for the most part, tho suffered quite a bit more than the other two. And the Original Series? Puhlease. Some of those episodes are just BAD.

[Joker85]

TNG will always be my favorite,but DS9 is a close second. Voyager had its moments but it was better thsn the original series! Enterprise looks like it is going to suck!!! Why are they going backwards instead of fowards????

[Calhoun07]

I think Enterprise will be cool, but if they were going to go back in time, I wish they would have done the Enterprise B. I liked the crew, and Peter David really gave the characters depth in Captains Daughter

[Bird Boy]

I'm pretty sure it's "Trekkers"..not sure, but I think they "officially" changed their name awhile back..anyway.

I grew up on TNG, so that's my choice. I never really liked DS9..but, I think I'm gonna start getting episodes from the library and watch em'..

-BB

[Nightflower]

The problem is, I heard the klingons in the series will have the full forehead ridges, which doesn't make sense timeline-wise.

[Joker85]

I know!! Rick berman is going back and changing the Klingons because he felt that if Roddenberry had the money he would have done them that way. He and Brannon Braga should both be fired and sent to live under a bridge with the homeless.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by Joker85
I know!! Rick berman is going back and changing the Klingons because he felt that if Roddenberry had the money he would have done them that way. He and Brannon Braga should both be fired and sent to live under a bridge with the homeless.

Best explanation of the Klingon forehead thing was in DS9's "Tribble" episode, where Whorf just says "It's a long story."

I think they oughta ignore it, the way they ignored the change in the Penguin's appearance between BTAS and TNBA.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Bird_Boy
I'm pretty sure it's "Trekkers"..not sure, but I think they "officially" changed their name awhile back..anyway.

I grew up on TNG, so that's my choice. I never really liked DS9..but, I think I'm gonna start getting episodes from the library and watch em'..

DS9's definitely worth watching, and in order. The reward is when you get to the last couple seasons. It was truly a great series. As for the whole trekkie/trekker thing, I've never understood it. What the heck is a trekker? That's meaningless to me. DS9, for instance, was just a series that I liked to watch. So was TNG. Why should I be branded with a certain name? I'm just a guy. I don't know who came up with the concept of a trekkie, but he/she should be phasered (on stun of course ).

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by calhoun07
The series did have the best story lines, but I think the last season suffered with the new Dax, whom I hated ferociously.

That's unnecessarily harsh. Jadzia was great, to the point that it was hard not to fall for her, but that's not a reason to hate Ezri. There wasn't too much focus on her like Seven on Voyager, so there never was truly a problem. I liked her. Certainly not Jadzia, but still a cute character. Certainly not worthless or worthy of hatred.

[Calhoun07]

The new Dax in the last season slowed things down. While that is not a reason to dislike the character (I disliked the character for reasons in the series, not outside of it) I think that the actress who played Jadzia was wrong in leaving the way she did. But oh well, I think the writers did the best they could with what they had, but it slowed the pace down slightly as they had to make room for the transition.

As to why I didn't like the character...I don't know, it's hard to explain.

How about the way Star Trek handles the death of major characters? Yar got killed by some black ooze, Kirk died on some dumb bridge on a rock world, and Judzia's death was the most anticlimatic. I was really execting something powerful, but it wasn't all that. I don't think Star Trek has written any great character out well ever. They did the death of Spock well, I do have to give them credit for that, but that's about it.

As for the Klingon issue...yeah, ignore it, that's the best response. Perhaps Star Trek could benefit from borrowing the line from Mystery Science Theater's theme song..."It's just a show." Roddenberry DID want to do the Klingons like that, that is most certainly true, and budget restraints held him back. If he had the money, Klingons would have had ridges from the beginning. Once he got money, and was able to put them in a feature movie, the ridges went on their heads. He was finally able to do Klingons the way he wanted, and I think they should be done in the way he wanted in the new series.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by calhoun07

How about the way Star Trek handles the death of major characters? Yar got killed by some black ooze, Kirk died on some dumb bridge on a rock world, and Judzia's death was the most anticlimatic. I was really execting something powerful, but it wasn't all that. I don't think Star Trek has written any great character out well ever. They did the death of Spock well, I do have to give them credit for that, but that's about it.

Actually, I've liked the way Star Trek has handled death. It's always been apparant through the four series and movies that in almost all cases the main characters come out all right and the unknown crew members die. Given the situations that they find themselves in, that is so unrealistic. So, in the those rare moments when a lead character does die, I find it kind of refreshing that it isn't always a glorious, climactic death. It seems to balance things out. It makes sense. And in Jadzia's case, I think they did quite a good job. There was a lot of emotion due to the way they set up the episode. Jadzia was feeling on top of the world after finding out from Julian that she and Worf could have a baby. And then it all came crashing down when Dukat/Kosst Amojan entered the station. I definitely felt something, as opposed to when Yar died. That was a such a quick death and at a time you'd least expect. There was hardly an opportunity to take it all in or feel anything. I also like James Kirk's death a lot. He died saving millions and he died alone, as he always felt he would.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by calhoun07
I think Enterprise will be cool, but if they were going to go back in time, I wish they would have done the Enterprise B. I liked the crew, and Peter David really gave the characters depth in Captains Daughter

The more I hear about Enterprise, the more optimistic I feel about it working out. The problem I've had with doing any more Trek shows based on a starship is that it would be the same thing all over again. Voyager failed because it was basically no different from the Enterprise in Next Generation. On Voyager, the action took place mostly on the bridge, engineering, crew quarters, the mess hall, sickbay, the holodeck: all the same places that previous Trek shows have based their episodes. And they looked just about the same, too. That's why a series based on the Enterprise B wouldn't work. It would feel exactly the same. You'd have the Captain, First Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical officer and so on exploring aboard a starship that on the inside is essentially just like the other Fed ships we've seen. It'd be boring.

But from what I'm hearing of Enterprise, the ship is going to be more like a submarine with a very cramped interior. If that's true, then that's great. It'll feel different, which is necessary. Also, Enterprise is supposed to be the first starship, right? That's what it sounds like from what Bakula's been saying. So that too will provide a very different feel. Basically, there'll just be the Enterprise in space. No other human ships (of that size and importance anyway), no Federation. The series could actually work. But the feel and look of the show has to be different. It's a must. I haven't seen the bridge, yet, but I'm hoping it's going to be significantly different in design from the other shows. Does anybody know if that's the case?

[Calhoun07]

That is exactly what the new series is going to be like. Another thing is that this world they are giving us isn't the "perfect" world envisioned by Roddenberry, so character developments will certainly be different than the past Trek shows we were accustomed to.

I agree with your comments about Voyager being another Next Generation. I don't think we have to worry about that with Enterrprise. From what I've been reading about the show, it won't be the same formula we've seen in past shows. I think the reason I liked Deep Space Nine so much is that it made something different out of the Trek franchise and succeded. And it looks like Enterprise is doing the same thing. This even takes place before there was a Federation. SO will that mean no "prime directive?" This could add some spice to the show, and some human drama. I really like the sound of this new series.

[James]

Worst: Deep Space Nine - never worked IMO, tried hard but there were not enough stories based around likeable crew members - in fact, there weren't any likable crew members. Ending was poor and after 7 series of living like Babylon 5's poor cousin, it gave us an almost identical final episode. Pity really, had a lot of potential, and not to say a few spiffing episodes.

Down under...: Voyager - Has got a lot better - dreadful start, but has picked up and while not as consistent as DS9, is now far more enjoyable than any of DS9 episodes. Neelix is the worst Trek character ever.

Not bad: STTNG: Like Voyager, it had a duff start but got a lot better before getting worse again. Best set of Star Trek characters from any of the revivals.

Best: Star Trek TOS - I love this. It deals with intelligent concepts and works with storylines rather than technobabble. Science hinders the stories (unlike all the revivals) and deals with ideas without getting bogged down in explaining how they might work. Good acting (on the whole) and the most likeable characters too. The characters hit new heights in the movies as Hollywood gave the show a harder, grittier edge which would be continued throughout the shows offspring. I love it and so should you

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by SJJ

Best: Star Trek TOS - I love this. It deals with intelligent concepts and works with storylines rather than technobabble. Science hinders the stories (unlike all the revivals) and deals with ideas without getting bogged down in explaining how they might work. Good acting (on the whole) and the most likeable characters too. The characters hit new heights in the movies as Hollywood gave the show a harder, grittier edge which would be continued throughout the shows offspring. I love it and so should you

Glad to see I'm not the only one who voted for TOS. It has its limitations, but it has a punchier feel than the others do.

[James]

Glad to see I'm not the only one who voted for TOS. It has its limitations, but it has a punchier feel than the others do.

Glad to see another TOS supporter! I was a little surprised how poorly TOS faired in the poll. Yes, it has it's limitations, and perhaps some outdated concepts on the male/female divide, but it is a product of it's time and that always must be taken into account when judging the series - plus it's the original, with no template to work from.

I'm not saying I expect everyone to love it like I do, I just justifiying my surprise at how poor the poll support has been!!

IMO it was also less 'soapy' than the rest. Perhaps I'm just showing my age!

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by SJJ
Worst: Deep Space Nine - never worked IMO, tried hard but there were not enough stories based around likeable crew members - in fact, there weren't any likable crew members. Ending was poor and after 7 series of living like Babylon 5's poor cousin, it gave us an almost identical final episode. Pity really, had a lot of potential, and not to say a few spiffing episodes.

What have you been watching? I honestly can't see any way that one could put Voyager above DS9. Everyone's going to have different tastes, which is going to affect which series they liked better. But in terms of qualilty of storytelling, there was no comparison. Saying the none of the crew members were likable sounds very unusual considering that there was far more character development that in any of the other Trek shows. And what are you calling the "Ending"? The final episode? Given the type of show that DS9 was, and the long-term storytelling they did, you can't single out one episode as being the entire ending. If you want to criticize the final episode, fine, but you can't tell me that the concluding multi-episode arc was entirely poor. It wasn't. Not by a long shot. There definite moments of brilliance, and overall, the final season was very strong. DS9 did have a lot of potential. And most of it was realized.

[James]

What have you been watching? I honestly can't see any way that one could put Voyager above DS9. Everyone's going to have different tastes, which is going to affect which series they liked better. But in terms of qualilty of storytelling, there was no comparison.

I do agree that DS9 was the more mature, and had more intelligent storylines AND a superior story arc, however for straight pulp fiction stories (and I can't say I'm an avid viewer of the new Treks) I find Voyager's later seasons more enjoyable. Deplorable, I agree. I just know that I find Voyager easy to turn over to and watch than MOST of DS9 - to be fair, in that light Voyager should have come last as DS9 is a better quality show - I think they just stuffed up on the characters. Voyager's characters don't have to be likable as it's not a character driven show - it's as I said, Pulp sci-fi. DS9 is a character based show being so heavily set in one place it has to be. Aside from Bashir and O'Brien (and Garak's occasional appearences) I found the crew to be the wrong side of yawnsome.
So for me I would prefer to watch Voyager with my dinner, but as for which is the more intelligent show I would have to nominate DS9.

The final episode? Given the type of show that DS9 was, and the long-term storytelling they did, you can't single out one episode as being the entire ending. If you want to criticize the final episode, fine, but you can't tell me that the concluding multi-episode arc was entirely poor.

Oh dear... I have to disagree slightly on this one. The very final episode (which I was refering to) is substandard. I have enjoyed many DS9 episodes. Occassionally I felt it was going to really get going, then Quark and the Nagus would intervene and spoil everything.
The last episode was, IMO, rank. Pointless and largely irrelevant. Dukat's scenes wasted and very disappointing. Much could have been done in the final episodes with this fine standing character. Sisko's ascension was nothing more than a retread of B5's final episode and then the rest just fizzled. Stinky, IMO. I haven't scene the last Voyager but I imagine they will do a worse finale (Trek is not very good at final episodes!)
As for the final arc, yes this was good - on the whole. I felt the last few in the arc before the final episode fizzled slightly - and someone really has to explain to someone on the DS9 production how space battles would work and explain the concept of space and relative time to distance - DS9 made some poor judgements on that. Tiny grumble, but it has stuck with me!
I didn't mind the arc I wish they had continued it into the final episode and perhaps given the finale a little more kick. Pity.

To be far, my order of preference is slight. I don't view DS9, Voyager or STTNG being much better/worse than each other. I haven't felt they have learnt from each other or built much on past errors. Hopefully Enterprise will give us all something new.