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    Quote Originally Posted by the greenman
    Yeah, I don't know if that story "Snow Women" is chronological, is it?
    Yes, it's the first story for Fafhred, a tale of his younger years. Then "The Unholy Grail" is the first story for the Gray Mouser. Then "Ill Met" is the first story wherein they meet and join forces. So that's the stories we have in this book. But since it's tales are in a chronological order, if we're going to do the entire anthology, then it just makes sense to start with the first story in the book.

    The alternative is to just read "Ill Met" and then people can return to the book on their own to read the earlier stories (and if they want to stop back by the "Ill Met" thread and give a word on the earlier stories, that's fine).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatomon41 View Post
    I kind of figured short stories would be harder to procure, and tried to focus on materials readilly available on-line. One is Baen's Free Libarary, which offers a large number of materials on the internet for free. Not the entire anthology for their short stories, but the ones they make avaialble is well worth the reading. I was thinking of suggesting a few titles, but I wanted to know what everyone else wanted first.


    I got a few, but I'll have to dig them out (literally)

    But for those interested, i suggesst Retief! by Keith Laumer (a satire featuring a human diplomat), anything by Cordwainer Smith (An amazing author), and Lovecraft (whose horror has influenced the genre).
    I thought I replied to this earlier.
    You suggested the Retief stories to me years ago, and they were awesome.
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    Ender's Game: Nominated by Shawn Hopkins, seconded by wonderfly, Einbebop, Aquadementia, and Gatomon.

    Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser: Ill Met in Lankhmar: Nominated by Shawn Hopkins, seconded by Aquadementia, the greenman, and wonderfly.

    The Machine Stops:
    Nominated by Aquadementia, seconded by Gatomon and wonderfly.

    The Mists of Avalon: Nominated by GWOtaku, seconded by Einbebop and wonderfly.
    I have "Ender's Game." Now that we know it's pornographic filth maybe we'll pick up a few new readers.

    I saw "The Mists of Avalon" by Marion Zimmer Bradley at a book store, so I picked it up.

    I have "The Machine Stops" of course.
    I should check that I have all the Lovecraft stories mentioned, but if I don't I can have them in a jiffy if I don't.

    I couldn't remember it was Fritz Leiber who wrote the Lankhmar book or I would have looked the last time I was at Barnes and Noble (didn't notice the title anyhow). I did pick up "The Knight and Knave of Swords" from the used book store. Not that it does us much good for this group.
    I think I'll just order that one then I'll be all set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderfly View Post
    Yes, it's the first story for Fafhred, a tale of his younger years. Then "The Unholy Grail" is the first story for the Gray Mouser. Then "Ill Met" is the first story wherein they meet and join forces. So that's the stories we have in this book. But since it's tales are in a chronological order, if we're going to do the entire anthology, then it just makes sense to start with the first story in the book.

    The alternative is to just read "Ill Met" and then people can return to the book on their own to read the earlier stories (and if they want to stop back by the "Ill Met" thread and give a word on the earlier stories, that's fine).
    Either one is fine by me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquadementia View Post
    I thought I replied to this earlier.
    You suggested the Retief stories to me years ago, and they were awesome.
    Wow, I totally forgot that I suggest that. Sorry

    But I'm glad you liked them!
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    I hope the actual discussions of the stories in question get half as many comments as the build-up to reading them.
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    I just got "Swords and Deviltry" in the mail TODAY, and I finished my detective novel last night. Talk about perfect timing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EinBebop
    I hope the actual discussions of the stories in question get half as many comments as the build-up to reading them.
    Agreed, though I was hoping for more comments along the lines of "yay" or "nay" as to what to read in "Swords and Deviltry".

    Quote Originally Posted by the greenman
    Either one is fine by me.
    Seems to be the opinion of everyone here (if they didn't speak up regarding this sticky point, I take it they're fine either way). Thus, as I see no votes against doing so, I'm inclined to go with us reading the whole "Swords and Deviltry" title. Unless someone speaks up within the next few short hours with a differing opinion.

    With it being an anthology title, we will simply read the first short story "The Snow Women" right now, and return to this book and read the next short story after finishing "Ender's Game". Truth be told, the next short story "The Unholy Grail" is short enough, we could probably still squeeze in "The Machine Stops" as well before beginning our next full-length novel. And then the third (and final) time we return to this book, we'll read "Ill Met by Lankhmar".

    We should all have the novel by this point (or have it on order, with it hopefully arriving soon). We should begin reading "The Snow Women" today, with the discussion thread launching next Monday. Happy reading!

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    Just got Swords and Deviltry on Kindle. The paperback is apparently only about 200 pages, so this should be a quick read.
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    Got a copy of Ill Met today from the local library. I'm locked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn Hopkins View Post
    Just got Swords and Deviltry on Kindle. The paperback is apparently only about 200 pages, so this should be a quick read.
    Hmm, probably skips the intro and stuff. My page count looks like this:

    Four separate pages of various Intros from the author.

    Snow Women - 13-119
    Unholy Grail - 123-162
    Ill Met in Lankhmar 165-254

    Just started reading Snow Women yesterday. Interesting style, need to get used to.

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    Oh, it's "ILL MET IN LANKHMAR" not "roman numeral 3 Met in Lankhmar"
    Those crazy fonts, they got me again.

    Quote Originally Posted by wonderfly View Post
    Agreed, though I was hoping for more comments along the lines of "yay" or "nay" as to what to read in "Swords and Deviltry".
    I didn't want to yay anything until I had the book in my hands.
    I just got "the Three of Swords" which has the first three books: "The Swords of Deviltry", "Swords Against Death" and "Swords in the Mist." So I'm all set through the first half of the series if anyone wants to go that far.

    Chapter I: Induction is little more then a page in my book, so that and any intors can be lumped together with "The Snow Women."

    Quote Originally Posted by the greenman View Post
    Just started reading Snow Women yesterday. Interesting style, need to get used to.
    I always need to find the rhythm the book was written in.
    With this one a somewhat pompous Stan Lee style works. Imagine he's reading it to you, or the narrator some epic fantasy, which this is.

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    I always need to find the rhythm the book was written in.
    With this one a somewhat pompous Stan Lee style works. Imagine he's reading it to you, or the narrator some epic fantasy, which this is.
    Imagine Stan Lee's reading it to me? Dude, that's an image in my head that's just not working for me...

    I don't imagine what narratives sound like, though I do sometimes imagine what a character's voice sounds like (and what actor/actress he or she sounds most like).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquadementia View Post
    Oh, it's "ILL MET IN LANKHMAR" not "roman numeral 3 Met in Lankhmar"
    Those crazy fonts, they got me again.

    I always need to find the rhythm the book was written in.
    With this one a somewhat pompous Stan Lee style works. Imagine he's reading it to you, or the narrator some epic fantasy, which this is.
    Funny, at first I thought it was three 'L's. As for the voice, now I have a Scottish warriors voice stuck in my head. Stan only works for some Marvel comics. Excelsior!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderfly View Post
    Imagine Stan Lee's reading it to me? Dude, that's an image in my head that's just not working for me...

    I don't imagine what narratives sound like, though I do sometimes imagine what a character's voice sounds like (and what actor/actress he or she sounds most like).
    So far the pages I've read have been more narrative then dialogue.
    Stan Lee might have been good at audio books when well practiced grandiosity is needed.
    Quote Originally Posted by the greenman View Post
    Funny, at first I thought it was three 'L's. As for the voice, now I have a Scottish warriors voice stuck in my head. Stan only works for some Marvel comics. Excelsior!
    Good call. I'll try Highlander voices too for the speaking parts.

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    I've got about 20 pages left in "The Snow Women", I hope to be able to finish it tonight. I would've finished it sooner, but spent the last week finishing up some other projects.

    Anyway, I wanted to bring up that it's about time to start reading our next full length novel: "Ender's Game". If you haven't already gotten a copy, please do so over the next week. I would like for everyone to have the book by next Monday (4/30/12) and to start reading on that date, so that the first week of discussion for that book can begin on the following Monday (5/7/12). That also gives us a few more days to finish "The Snow Women" as well.

    "Ender's Game" discussion will be spread over 6 to 8 weeks. Looking forward to it!

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    Okay, by now everyone should have a copy of "Ender's Game" (and I would hope that you've finished "The Snow Women", or are nearly finished with it). Reading of Ender's Game can begin today (if you haven't already started), with the first week's discussion beginning NEXT MONDAY. That's unless someone speaks up here shortly asking for a delay.

    My copy of Ender's Game is 324 pages long, with 15 chapters and an introduction. My edition of the book is the "Author's Definitive Edition", but all that means, per the author in the introduction, is that he corrects some spelling errors and rewrites some minor sentences more to his liking (the older editions of the book don't have this introduction in it - it just starts straight with Chapter 1). So even if you have an older edition of the book, that should work just as well.

    Looking through the book, the opening chapters are just a few pages long each, increasing in lenth so that some of the last few chapters appear to be around 50 pages in length.

    So here's how I'm going to divide up the weekly discussion:

    Week 1:
    Introduction (if your copy of the book has an introduction - this "chapter" is not required reading)
    Chapters 1-4

    Week 2:
    Chapters 5-7

    Week 3:
    Chapters 8-9

    Week 4:
    Chapters 10-11

    Week 5:
    Chapters 12-13

    Week 6:
    Chapters 14-15

    And I'll probably give an extra week in the middle of the book for people to catch up, if needed.

    Sound good? Then let's get to reading!

    EDIT: After reading the introduction in my "Author's Definitive Edition", I have to say it reads more like an "Afterword" than an introduction. If you've never read the novel before, I recommend just getting straight into the story. Card discusses way too many aspects of the novel in his introduction, it might be spoiler-ish. Maybe.

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    Sorry, I've been down for the past week or so, and I'm now so behind with everything .

    However, I have my copy of Ender's Game ready, so I'll be running from the start with this one.
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    I actually read the intro and the first couple of pages, but life is rushing in quickly. I'm moving apartments and work is busy. I knew this summer was going to be busy, that's why I wanted to start something quick. Oh well, I'll see how I come along to catch up later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatomon41 View Post
    Sorry, I've been down for the past week or so, and I'm now so behind with everything .

    However, I have my copy of Ender's Game ready, so I'll be running from the start with this one.
    Well, we'll revisit "Swords and Deviltry" after finishing Ender's Game (for the 2nd story "The Unholy Grail"). So maybe you can get caught back up then.

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    Okay, gang, with the reading of Ender's Game drawing to a close over the next 2 weeks, it's time to revisit this thread, and discuss what we want to read next! (if you want to read anything next, that is...see below)

    Participation has dwindled somewhat, and that's partially to blame on the start of summer vacation time. But some members have dropped offline alltogether (I'll have to shoot them an email to check on them, I hope they're okay).

    But there's also been people joining in lately in lately, in the discussion threads, including Darklordaviator and Ero Sennin, so it appears we do have other followers of this Reading Group (they're just not as vocal as some of our regulars).

    So here's what I propose:

    Following Ender's Game, discussion will resume in our short story anthology "Swords and Deviltry" thread. I will give 1 week to read the next short story (a VERY short story) titled "The Unholy Grail".

    Normally, we would start the next novel somewhat shortly after that, but I'd like to hear that people are even still interested in doing another full novel! I need some feedback if I'm to keep this going gang.

    If not, then I'll go ahead and update "Swords and Deviltry" immediately after "The Unholy Grail", giving us 2 weeks to read the final story in that anthology, titled "Ill Met By Lankhmar" (the Hugo award winning story), and then we'll draw this thread to a close for the indefinite future. I may go ahead and have us do "Ill Met" anyway, just due to how short "The Unholy Grail" is, even if we do pick another full length novel. Or I could hold off and have us read "Ill Met" after the next novel.

    But if we do another full length novel, I'd like to get nominations. I had previously suggested "The Mists of Avalon" by Marion Zimmer Bradley, and people seemed fine with that, but we're not set in stone on that yet. I'd like people to speak up, what do you want to read next? If anything.

    Anyone out there?

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