Lost "Because You Left" & "The Lie" Season Premiere Talkback (Spoilers)

**Temple Fugate** · 01-21-2009, 06:31 PM

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The fifth season of Lost begins with a three-hour premiere event. A season four recap episode airs at 8pm EST/PST, followed by the first two episodes of the new season. This talkback is dedicated to all three hours of ABC's Lost programming.

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Lost
Season 5 Episode 1: "Because You Left"
Thursday, January 21 @ 9pm EST/PST
Writers: Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse
Director: Stephen Williams

Ben and Jack begin their quest to reunite the Oceanic Six and return to the Island.

Lost
Season 5 Episode 2: "The Lie"
Thursday, January 21 @ 10pm EST/PST
Writers: Edward Kitsis & Adam Horowitz
Director: Jack Bender

This episode description omitted to prevent spoilers.

Previously on Lost:
81 & 82: There's No Place Like Home, Parts 1 and 2
80: Cabin Fever
79: Something Nice Back Home
78: The Shape of Things to Come
77: Meet Kevin Johnson
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**kid rabbit** · 01-21-2009, 09:59 PM

no flashbacks

unless whats happening on the island is the flashback

**silverwings** · 01-21-2009, 11:15 PM

It's great to have Lost (and good tv) back again. Great start to season 5!

All I can say is "ow, my head."

**Neo Ultra Mike** · 01-21-2009, 11:23 PM

Hmmm guess it's up to me to give the first long reviews. First with "Because You Left"

The Infamous Season Starter Mind Screw: Most Season have this. Season one began with Jack opening up and getting up seeing that the plane had crashed and everyone was in a state of panic. Season Two had you finding Desmond being in the hatch at the same time John and Jack were looking down it. Season three was a flashback to how the plane crashed from the others point of view. Season Four... well wasn't so much since it was just Hurley being arrested (though the first we really heard about the Oceanic Six) and this season sees another flashback this time to the time of Marvin Candle (aka the Dharma Initative Video guy finally appearing in something that isn't a dhrama initiatve video) talking about time travel and apparently being watched by Daniel. Yeah as if time wasn't screwy enough in the past, or present. Kind of hard to tell in this show anymore. Now flashbacks are for what happened on the island as they shift through time and the "flashforwards" are the present and what is currently happening to the Six off the island. Really it's about as hard to explain as Locke apparently jumping from being leader of the others, being alone and seeing Eko's brother plane crash, being shot at by Ethan, Richard Alpert finding him and telling him he needs to die and then going... somewhere else. Really at this point the writers defintley know where they're going but there's still this snarky "we're only telling you what you need to know now and not giving you any real solid" answers yet feeling. Oh well at least this kind of storytelling not only lets you actually get a feel for everyone (since it dosen't have the general feeling of starring just one character. For example this supposedly starred Jack even if he didn't really do anything in the ep) but also leads to some compelling drama. In the past everyone's wandering around confused (and you know the cast is being stretched thing if *GASP* extras get a few lines) due to time jumps and Daniel is able to get Desmond to try and help him out in the current time line while in the present future Jack and Ben try gathering the team, Kate's on the run yet again (couldn't be Kate if she wasn't I suppose), Charles Widmore lets Sun know he's to be respected in one of those "we're probably not going to tell you what they were talking about for awhile" conversation deals, oh and Hurley and Sayid are still are the run. As Sayid gets the first big action sequence and knock out sequence of the series. Not a lot of character moments but hey that's a good thing since I'm still more interested in the mythos and the answers at this point and also am glad they decided to attach this ep to the next one since the two work well together.

And now the One for "The Lie"

I think the cardinal rule of Lost is that if you're one of the castaywas not part of the main cast, you do NOT want to do anything that would force you into the foreground. Look what happened to Ertnz. Look what happened to Nikki and Paulo. And now look at what happened to Neil. He tried having a personality and got shot to death with a flaming arrow. Actually I am glad they had that whole "invading arrow" scene though: I'm hoping that allows them to kill off all the extra red shirts and just focus on our heroes since face it, it is just pointless now of having them on the island. I hoped if we jump cuted we'd go to a future island without them but since they're still operating right after they left off last season something had to be done about them. This does point out a disturbing trend I hope dosen't happen every episode: saves and danger due to time travel. Really it'd get annoying that any time they needed an action scene or any time they needed someone to get saved from danger they'd have a dues ex time jump. It worked here due to the mystery of who this other group are (that obviously are different from the others) and now what will Sawyer and Juliet due now that Locke is back. And of course there's also the mystery of what's happening to Charolette and just what isn't Daniel telling her but hey it wouldn't be Lost if it didn't have plots within plots.

Unlike last time though this one does have more of a central figure: Hurley. Finally sick of all the lying that's been going on he breaks down and tells his mom the truth in a nice scene. And sick of being used and manipulated by Ben he just throws himself to the police. Though really Hurley being locked away didn't solve your problems the first time it happened it isn't going to solve them this time. I did like all of Hurley's scenes though: the flashback encounter with Ana Luica (was wondering if they'd have her in the series again), trying to tell his dad about the people after him, and of course throwing a snack cake at Ben when he surprised him. Classic Hurley. In other flashforward news Jack looses his pill and attempts to be useful by helping revive Sayid, while Kate and Sun have a meeting. Don't know where they're going with that but I think Sun is at least somewhat earnest in not feeling Kate was responsible. (Though I was half expecting her to just list Kate's track record when Kate asked "what kind of person do you think I am?" Oh come on Kate, you were so asking to be busted for phraising it like that). Meanwhile Ben makes deal with woman in meat freezers and then meets up with that old lady last seen talking with Desmond in his long flashback ep back midway through season 3. I heard she has some things to do with what's going on and I guess one of thsoe is setting a time limit. How well will Ben be able to set it? How many of the Oceanic Six are willing to go back? Just to what degree is everyone lying and what will it take for them to be straigth with us? Don't know but still intruging stuff. There did see to be a bit more faux unnecessary drama in this ep then the last one so I'd rank it lower but hey still good stuff.

**Nel** · 01-21-2009, 11:36 PM

Great to have this show back. Another season, another bag of nightmares for our characters to deal with.

I like the new dynamic too.

A lot of "holy crap" moments, but too many for me to really count.

**BigLouMan20** · 01-22-2009, 03:58 AM

Anybody know why the Chevy logos were blurred out?

**Chris Sanders MSX** · 01-22-2009, 10:53 AM

The stuff on the island is the flashback...which is cool.

I have to agree with Ow.. My head. Too many things made me go.. "HUH?"

QUESTIONS !

Spoiler:

Awesome epsode reguardless..can't wait for the podcasts !

**Brandon Pierce** · 01-22-2009, 03:44 PM

You know how in the Dharma instruction videos that have those weird cuts in the film, as if by old age. After seeing the season premier, I'm wondering if those cuts aren't the result of old age, but rather, interruptions made during filming. In the scene where Kandle is filming a video, he gets interrupted, and they cut filming.

Interesting season openers. No real flashbacks or flashforwards. This is a first.

Charlotte commented once that she forgot her mother's maiden name. Then she asked Daniel "Do you know what's wrong with me?" Is she slowly getting amnesia?

**bigddan11** · 01-22-2009, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by Brandon Pierce

Interesting season openers. No real flashbacks or flashforwards. This is a first.

They said this season will not have many flashbacks or flashforwards because this season will focus on the Oceanic Six trying to get back to the Island and make things no the island right. We do know events on the Island are flashbacks for the people on the Island, but since they are jumping to multiple times and places then they could just as easily jump into the present where our main cast is able to reunite with them.

I was actually grateful for the "Destiny Calls" special that aired before the season premiere as it highlighted each of the main characters and explained their roles through the first four seasons. It is also where they mentioned there won't be many flash forwards and flashbacks for the main cast this season. I think I'll show it to my mom to see if it can help her stop asking me all these questions about it, though she's only seen four episodes, so I can't blame her for getting lost by Lost.

I can understand Hurley not wanting to trust Ben, but willingly handing himself over to the cops like that was not what I expected to happen. I also loved how they kept teasing us- having Hurley and Sayid leave the parking lot as Kate was pulling in- Ben constantly referring to hiding Locke's body as "business", and actually seeing Jack overcome his troubles and slowly revert back to the Jack of the frst four seasons. It was a good two hour premiere and I look forward to seeing next week's episode, though I do wish it was no at 10/9 on Wednesday instead of 9/8.

**buttah** · 01-22-2009, 05:52 PM

I enjoyed it but..why would they think Hurley killed anyone?

Sure he had a gun but I don't remember anyone dying from being shot, especially not the dude who fell from the building. You think they'd be able to tell just by looking at the 3 people so while Hurley holding a gun would look wrong he obviously didn't do it.

**Master Moron** · 01-22-2009, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Neo Ultra Mike

Unlike last time though this one does have more of a central figure: Hurley. Finally sick of all the lying that's been going on he breaks down and tells his mom the truth in a nice scene. And sick of being used and manipulated by Ben he just throws himself to the police. Though really Hurley being locked away didn't solve your problems the first time it happened it isn't going to solve them this time. I did like all of Hurley's scenes though: the flashback encounter with Ana Luica (was wondering if they'd have her in the series again), trying to tell his dad about the people after him, and of course throwing a snack cake at Ben when he surprised him. Classic Hurley. In other flashforward news Jack looses his pill and attempts to be useful by helping revive Sayid, while Kate and Sun have a meeting. Don't know where they're going with that but I think Sun is at least somewhat earnest in not feeling Kate was responsible.

The way she said "I know you're not responsible" and then immediately asked "Where's Jack?" gave me the impression that she blames Jack for Jin's death. She previously said that she blames two people for her husband's death. One is Charles Widmore. I used to think the other one of Ben Linus, but there would be no way for her to know that he was responsible unless Locke told her. She probably blames Jack since he's the one who made Kate come back to the helicopter.

Originally Posted by Chris Sanders MSX

The stuff on the island is the flashback...which is cool.

I have to agree with Ow.. My head. Too many things made me go.. "HUH?"

QUESTIONS !

Spoiler:

Awesome epsode reguardless..can't wait for the podcasts !

Why do you say that they didn't die that way the first time? Those Dharma guys probably always died like that. The other Dharma guys probably just assumed they were killed by the natives, rather than time travelers.

Originally Posted by buttah

I enjoyed it but..why would they think Hurley killed anyone?

Sure he had a gun but I don't remember anyone dying from being shot, especially not the dude who fell from the building. You think they'd be able to tell just by looking at the 3 people so while Hurley holding a gun would look wrong he obviously didn't do it.

He was holding a gun where a dead body was found and he fled from the scene. That's enough probable cause to arrest.

**Samhaine** · 01-22-2009, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Master Moron

He was holding a gun where a dead body was found and he fled from the scene. That's enough probable cause to arrest.

Sayid also shot somebody at the institution during last season's finale. There was a news broadcast playing in the background that was attributing that to Hurley before they even got to the safehouse.

**Drachentöter** · 01-22-2009, 11:18 PM

Oh, duh! THAT'S why Faraday was under the Orchid during its construction. At some point this season, the island will shift to that time and he will have to go in to save Charlotte or something.

It makes so much sense...

It can't possibly be the real answer.

These weren't the best episodes or even the best season openers, but they were a really refreshing pace and I love where the plot is going. It's shaping up to be a great season in the vein of the last episodes of season 4.

My full run-down is on my blog if anyone cares to look.

**MAXIMUS** · 01-23-2009, 05:57 AM

I wonder if the old lady at the end of ep 2 is the one Daniel told Desmond to find....seemed to be a smart lady, and it would tie it all in. Mark my words

**Chris Sanders MSX** · 01-23-2009, 10:14 AM

Why do you say that they didn't die that way the first time? Those Dharma guys probably always died like that. The other Dharma guys probably just assumed they were killed by the natives, rather than time travelers.

Because apparently it didn't happen that way in the past....which now leads me to my theory. WHAT IF our Losties ARE THE NATIVES.

We've never seen them, nor have we seen any discription or markings left by them..only people in the past make refrences...what if our Losties left on the island during the islands shifts through time are the natives all along

**Chris Sanders MSX** · 01-23-2009, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by MAXIMUS

I wonder if the old lady at the end of ep 2 is the one Daniel told Desmond to find....seemed to be a smart lady, and it would tie it all in. Mark my words

It's possible. She was making very similar equations to Farraday in the Constant and she was from England, and Farraday did tell him to go to Oxford. Hmmmmm... *BRAIN EXPLOSION*

**Jave** · 01-23-2009, 10:51 AM

The old woman at the end is the same woman Desmond buys a ring from in "Flashes Before Your Eyes".

And I agree, she's probably Dan's mother.

**Discloner** · 01-23-2009, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Chris Sanders MSX

Because apparently it didn't happen that way in the past....which now leads me to my theory. WHAT IF our Losties ARE THE NATIVES.

We've never seen them, nor have we seen any discription or markings left by them..only people in the past make refrences...what if our Losties left on the island during the islands shifts through time are the natives all along

I was under the impression that we have met the natives - that they are Richard and his people. I mean, the Dharma Initiative was on the island studying the hostile natives, Ben meets one of them (richard), they kill the DI and take up residency in their now vacated homes.

...So really, the 'Natives' were always the Others. At least that's how I've always interpreted it.