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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Dalek View Post
    It would be amazing if Shout! could get the rights to Gorgo (the famous "only aired once and never again" episode) but I'm not holding my breath.
    I'm pulling for Gorgo too, but you're right, it is a long shot. Shame, really, because I think it's a deeply underrated episode (probably because a lot of people haven't seen it); easily one of the best of the SciFi era. The running gag of the guys filling Gorgo's constantly roaring mouth with pop songs and show tunes has me in stitches every time. "Downtown!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by TnAdct1
    BTW, while I'm here, I should mention that the episodes for Volume XXIV have just been announced:

    310- FUGITIVE ALIEN
    318- STAR FORCE – FUGITIVE ALIEN II
    617- THE SWORD AND THE DRAGON
    624- SAMSON VS. THE VAMPIRE WOMEN


    In short, The Forklift Song, Frank's swan song, and the third film of the Comedy Central "Russo-Finnish" trilogy.
    I LOVE those Season 6 episodes, as that's when I discovered the show: late in the Season 6 season (yeah, I know, kind of late to discover it by that point, with it going off Comedy Central a year later). "Samson vs. the Vampire Women" was one of the few I remember watching when it premiered. "The Sword and the Dragon" I caught in a rebroadcast - I didn't know it was part of a trilogy, what are the other episodes in that trilogy?

    The last few episodes of Season 6, all of the short lived Season 7, and maybe about half of the episodes of the Season 8 "Sci-Fi era", those are the only ones I ever watched "live" when they premiered. But then I went off to college and lost track of the show. But thank goodness for these DVD's (and for the streaming broadcasts on Netflix and Amazon)!

    Speaking of which, I've updated the list of Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes that are available for streaming. Netflix is truly disappointing me: they removed the Gamera episodes from Vol. XXI, along with Vol. XII. It seems that the episodes get removed from Netflix after a while. But possibly after they leave Netflix, they eventually go over to Amazon: I noticed Amazon has the two "Master Ninja" films from Vol. XX.

    I prefer to buy the streaming episodes from Amazon, over watching them temporarily on Netflix. The one thing I notice Netflix has going for them is they have the rights for streaming for the individual re-releases ("Hamlet", "Red Zone Cuba", "The Atomic Brain", "The Incredibly Strange Creatures", etc). Amazon doesn't have those yet. But then I'd rather just buy the individual re-released DVD (because what if Netflix removes those in a few months as well?)

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    Different perspective: I didn't get satellite until late 1996; I managed to catch a few MST3Ks before they left Comedy Central. I'm more familiar with the Sci-Fi era. That's part of why I have such a fondness for that era, but also I think the more biting sense of humor in the Sci-Fi episodes is more aligned with mine. I also liked how they got more new films. And even though he didn't really have as much range as Beaulieu, I did enjoy Bill Corbett's Crow; he had such great comedic delivery. I also liked the art direction of the Sci-Fi episodes; the blue hue of the SOL gave everything a cooler look, and of course they had to design a bunch of different settings as Pearl and co. time traveled to lots of locations.

    Of course, the Sci-Fi era wasn't perfect; I prefer Dr. Forrester and TV's Frank to Pearl, Brain Guy, and Bobo (though they had their moments), and the invention exchange was always a fun part of seasons 1-5. And yeah, it's unfortunate that until season 10, there wasn't as much variety when it came to film content; everything had to have a sci-fi or fantasy theme. And while the season 8 story arc thing is a neat experiment, it can get confusing when you watch them out of order.

    Still, there's a host of Sci-Fi episodes not out yet (and probably won't be) that I'd love to have: Revenge of the Creature, The Leech Woman, Agent For H.A.R.M., Riding With Death, The Horror of Party Beach, The Puma Man, Diabolik... and of course there were the few modern movie half hour specials. Those will never see the light of day again, except in bootleg form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Daedalus
    Still, there's a host of Sci-Fi episodes not out yet (and probably won't be) that I'd love to have: Revenge of the Creature, The Leech Woman, Agent For H.A.R.M., Riding With Death, The Horror of Party Beach, The Puma Man, Diabolik... and of course there were the few modern movie half hour specials. Those will never see the light of day again, except in bootleg form.
    Well, if all of the Sandy Frank episodes have been released, we can still hope for more of the Sci-Fi era episodes to come out on DVD. I'm curious: which of the remaining unreleased Sci-Fi era episodes have the most chance of being released on DVD?

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    ^ Right now, the best bets are The Puma Man (if Shout can even get ahold of the production company, that is; I seem to recall they were having a hard time tracking them down), Quest of the Delta Knights, and Track of the Moon Beast. The rest are owned/distributed by various big studios (MGM, Paramount, AIP, Universal, 20th Century Fox) so are most likely not on the table.

    Then again, this is Shout, so never say never.

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    ^Shout! are totally awesome. They went to the Japanese companies to negotiate rights for all these Season 3 episodes, and they're the major studios of that country. In fact, a whole lot of Shouts! other releases were acquired via negotiations with pretty major studios. I wouldn't count out them making deals with Universal or MGM (they might be a bit pricier to license, but then you put some public domain stuff on the set to balance the cost - that's the game they have to play).

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    Quote Originally Posted by J. B. Warner View Post
    - Volume 8: "The Phantom Planet" is one of my favorites from Season 9, but "Hobgoblins" can be maddening at times. I like "The Dead Talk Back", but it's an extremely boring movie, so be warned. "Monster A Go-Go" is pure brilliance.
    I just watched Monster a Go-Go on Hulu... I definitely wouldn't call the episode "pure brilliance". There were some funny riffs here and there (and I loved their reaction to the "There was no monster" ending), but the movie itself was so unbelievably awful that the episode was hard to sit through. It's the same problem I have with the Coleman Francis trilogy, The Starfighters, Mighty Jack, Hamlet, and a few others I'm forgetting right now.

    There's no way Plan 9 is the worst movie of all time. Go-Go puts it to shame.

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    I'm hoping that since Shout has a decent relationship with Universal, they can at least get the rights to Riding With Death. Everybody I know needs to be exposed to that turkey, the elusive Robert Denby!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Daedalus View Post
    ^ Right now, the best bets are The Puma Man (if Shout can even get ahold of the production company, that is; I seem to recall they were having a hard time tracking them down), Quest of the Delta Knights, and Track of the Moon Beast. The rest are owned/distributed by various big studios (MGM, Paramount, AIP, Universal, 20th Century Fox) so are most likely not on the table.

    Then again, this is Shout, so never say never.
    Well, Horror of Party Beach and Invasion of the Neptune are both controlled by Dark Sky, so they might have a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Daedalus View Post
    I just watched Monster a Go-Go on Hulu... I definitely wouldn't call the episode "pure brilliance". There were some funny riffs here and there (and I loved their reaction to the "There was no monster" ending), but the movie itself was so unbelievably awful that the episode was hard to sit through.
    Eh, tomato, tomahto. "Monster A Go-Go" is one of my all-time favorite episodes - I find it hysterically funny from beginning to end. But it is one of those very divisive episodes. Personally, I think these movies where nothing ever happens tend to result in some of the show's best work, 'cause without things like a plot or characters to focus on, Joel/Mike and the bots can let fly with an endless rapid-fire stream of observational riffs, and there's no disruption to the rhythm. Same thing happens with junk like The Starfighters or The Beast of Yucca Flats - 90 minutes of pure nothing, but some of the funniest riffing they've ever done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. B. Warner View Post
    Eh, tomato, tomahto. "Monster A Go-Go" is one of my all-time favorite episodes - I find it hysterically funny from beginning to end. But it is one of those very divisive episodes. Personally, I think these movies where nothing ever happens tend to result in some of the show's best work, 'cause without things like a plot or characters to focus on, Joel/Mike and the bots can let fly with an endless rapid-fire stream of observational riffs, and there's no disruption to the rhythm. Same thing happens with junk like The Starfighters or The Beast of Yucca Flats - 90 minutes of pure nothing, but some of the funniest riffing they've ever done.
    I can see your point. "The Brute Man" is kind of like that; not much happens in the film when you think about it, but it ended up being a pretty funny episode.

    Still, I more or less agree with Frank Conniff in his interview on the Vol. 23 set where he felt the stronger episodes were the ones where you could still follow what was going on in the film. One of my all-time favorite episodes, "I Accuse My Parents", actually has a plot that I enjoy. The riffs are just icing on the cake. Heck, in one episode, "Kitten With a Whip", I actually found myself MORE interested in the plot than the riffs! (not that the riffs were unfunny, mind you!)
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    Shout's sets aren't worth the money...but if they ever released season sets for a reasonable price like $30
    I'd definitely buy.

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    ^ When you look at it strictly as the number of episodes per set, then yes, MST3K sets are "overpriced". But look at it from a different perspective: MST3K episodes are three times the length of a typical half hour show, so you're basically getting the equivalent of 12 episodes (15 in the case of the Gamera set) for $40-50. Another way to look at it: You're essentially buying four films. And to buy four films (at least, when they're new) would cost you around the same price in total.

    Besides, it's not just the episodes on these sets. Shout! has done a great job of creating new special material for these sets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Daedalus View Post
    ^ When you look at it strictly as the number of episodes per set, then yes, MST3K sets are "overpriced". But look at it from a different perspective: MST3K episodes are three times the length of a typical half hour show, so you're basically getting the equivalent of 12 episodes (15 in the case of the Gamera set) for $40-50. Another way to look at it: You're essentially buying four films. And to buy four films (at least, when they're new) would cost you around the same price in total.

    Besides, it's not just the episodes on these sets. Shout! has done a great job of creating new special material for these sets.
    Also there's the fact that even though Shout! has the rights to MST3K, they still have to buy the rights to the movies that the Joel or Mike and the bots riffed on in each episode. So you are looking at Shout! having to pay for the rights to the actual show, the movies as well as making new material for the sets as well. Personally I think that the Shout! sets are far better than the earlier Rhino releases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cartoonscartoons View Post
    Shout's sets aren't worth the money...but if they ever released season sets for a reasonable price like $30
    I'd definitely buy.
    You do realize that would come to about $1.25 per episode (for an average 24 episode season), right?

    The amount of licensing work that goes into putting certain episodes out would make that incredibly absurd to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Daedalus View Post
    ^ When you look at it strictly as the number of episodes per set, then yes, MST3K sets are "overpriced". But look at it from a different perspective: MST3K episodes are three times the length of a typical half hour show, so you're basically getting the equivalent of 12 episodes (15 in the case of the Gamera set) for $40-50. Another way to look at it: You're essentially buying four films. And to buy four films (at least, when they're new) would cost you around the same price in total.

    Besides, it's not just the episodes on these sets. Shout! has done a great job of creating new special material for these sets.
    You're wrong.

    ... including commercials, MST3K episodes are four times the length of your average show, making a Shout DVD set the equivalent of 16 normal-sized TV episodes!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Angilasman View Post
    You're wrong.

    ... including commercials, MST3K episodes are four times the length of your average show, making a Shout DVD set the equivalent of 16 normal-sized TV episodes!

    Well yeah, but the commercials are obviously removed for the DVDs.
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    $30 for a season set is highly unrealistic, but with a hefty dose of "wishful thinking", I could see $80-100 season sets. Though I know the DVD companies prefer not to put out DVD collections of $100 or more in price. Many seasons only had 13 episodes, and for the seasons that had 20 or more episodes, just divide those seasons in half with "Season X.1" and "Season X.2" releases.

    Or if price is still the major issue and you don't want to do full seasons for $100 (or more), then divide up every season: Season 1 had 13 episodes, release 7 episodes on "Season 1.1" and 6 episodes on "Season 1.2". Repeat for Season 2. Then for Season 3, there's 24 episodes in that season, so divide it into 4 sets. Charge $50 to $75 bucks a piece, bare bones releases with minimal extras to help lower the price, I could embrace that!

    Though I know "Season Sets" are unrealistic in and of themselves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Daedalus View Post
    Well yeah, but the commercials are obviously removed for the DVDs.
    But without commercials your average sitcom episode has a running time of about 22 minutes (including credits) - MST3K is 90 minutes (and occasionally longer in earlier seasons), roughly four times the length.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wonderfly View Post
    Though I know "Season Sets" are unrealistic in and of themselves...
    When Shout! first got the rights to MST3K, fans were speculating about a Complete Season 7 set, as it's only six episodes long and no Season 7 episodes had ever been released by Rhino. However, there's a few Season 7 episodes that are super-expensive to license, so putting them all in one box set would have driven the price way up.

    It was all just fan dreams, but I still would have loved to see it happen. I think Season 7 is grossly underrated - all six episodes make me laugh like a lunatic. "The Incredible Melting Man" in particular has to be a top five episode for me. ("There are yards of cable and fifteen operators required to run these people.")
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