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    "X-Men: The Last Stand" Talkback (Spoilers)

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    "You have no idea. You have no idea what is upon us now." - Professor Charles Xavier


    X-Men: The Last Stand
    Studio: 20th Century Fox
    Release Date: May 26th, 2006
    Director: Brett Ratner
    Starring: Patrick Stewart, Ian McKellen, Famke Janssen, James Marsden, Hugh Jackman, Halle Berry, Kelsey Grammar, Anne Paquin, Rebecca Romijn-Stamos, Vinnie Jones, Aaron Stanford, Ellen Page, Shawn Ashmore, Cameron Bright.

    Plot Summary: A "cure" for mutancy threatens to alter the course of history. For the first time, mutants have a choice: retain their uniqueness, though it isolates and alienates them, or give up their powers and become human. The opposing viewpoints of mutant leaders Charles Xavier, who preaches tolerance, and Magneto, who believes in the survival of the fittest, are put to the ultimate test – triggering the war to end all wars.

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    I guess I'll be the first to say it:

    This was second only to Fantastic Four on the list of worst comic book movies I have ever seen.
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    I caught the Thursday Midnight showing at my local Regal Cinemas. This movie and Superman Returns are my two most anticipated films of the summer, so I enjoyed seeing it in very crowded theaters at the first possible screening.

    SPOILERS!

    I am going to be brief in my opinions because what I liked/didn't like about the movie is very precise.

    What I did NOT like:

    -Okay, it's official. In EVERY X-Men film (whether directed by Singer or Ratner), Cyclops (Scott) gets the boot, as if the director, writers, producers, whoever, just personally do NOT like his character. Seriously, I think the entire X-Men trilogy suffers because they NEVER developed Cyclops as a character. They basically made him "Jean Grey's boyfriend". That's about as deep as he got. While watching X-Men 3, I was angry watching the rest of the movie after Cyclops dies. More specifically, every time Wolverine did something, I thought: "They should be making Cyclops do this stuff!" For example, I think the entire trilogy would be completely balanced with its characters if, for example: 1) Professor Xavier told BOTH Cyclops and Storm that he expects them to carry on the mansion after he dies. 2) After Xavier's funeral, and they are discussing closing the mansion, Cyclops should of been the first to say "we're not closing the mansion" and Storm should have been in agreement. 3) I have no problem with Wolverine searching out for Jean in the forest scene 4) HOWEVER, the end of the movie should have belonged to Cyclops and Jean - Cyclops should have been at the last battle, he should have been the one saying "hold the line", the one who should have given Logan/Peter/Hank the idea to trick Magneto (dup him into getting stabbed with the cure). 5) While I understand Logan being the one to approach the Pheonix (because he could heal himself while he was being burned by her force), the dialogue Pheonix and Logan exchange made me so angry. When Pheonix asks Logan: "Would you die for them?", I was thinking: This would of worked so much better with Cyclops. Cyclops, being Prof X's surrogate son, and true believer, would have said "Yes, I will die for them all", and it would have worked well for his character to kill his own girlfriend in order to save humanity. After seeing Cyclops as the leader in X-Men 1, seeing him as the loving boyfriend in X-Men 2, it would have worked perfectly for him, in X-Men 3, to stand up for his ideals, and kill the one thing he loved the most (Jean Grey), in order to continue to strive for human and mutant peace. THAT WOULD HAVE MADE THE MOVIE PERFECT!

    But instead Cyclops is killed in the first act. The writers are total morons. It did NOTHING for Wolverine's character to have him be the one to kill Jean. He already made his choice to stay with the X-Men and fight alongside them at the end of X2. Him killing Jean to protect humanity was just redunant.

    OTHER NOTES:

    -I had no problem with Xavier dying. The mentor always dies so the students can rise to the challenge. Look at any fantasy story to see that plot device repeated over and over and over
    -Why take away Magneto's powers, and then in the last scene, show that his powers still exist? What waste.
    -The secret scene at the end of the credits shows Prof X is still alive. I wish it was Cyclops in that hospital bed, not Prof X.


    I really liked Beast. I thought he was well done and a great addition to the team.

    Angel was a waste.

    I dont mind that Rogue lost her powers (if that's even true, since Magneto's last scene shows us the cure doesn't fully work). If you look at ONLY the X-Men movies, Rogue's storyline pretty much follows the path of a mutant who can't stand her powers to the point that it makes perfect sense she would give them up. Her storyline for the movie makes sense. Cyclops storyline for the trilogy makes NO SENSE. X1: Cyclops is the leader, and just okay at it X2: Cyclops gets his butt kicked by Deathstrike and disappears for the whole film. X3: Cyclops has lost his mind (I knew Scott's character was in danger of being ripped to shreds in this movie too when Xavier tells Storm: "Cyclops is a changed man") and then he dies for no reason.




    The best X-Men movie is the second one. As a whole, the trilogy is "slightly above average". I don't think I will ever forgive the fact that they gave Wolverine both Wolverine scenes AND all the scenes Cyclops should have gotten. All well, I guess that's star power for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jor-El
    I guess I'll be the first to say it:

    This was second only to Fantastic Four on the list of worst comic book movies I have ever seen.
    Wow, intersting reaction! I'd love to hear a review from you, Jor-El. For some reason I can't put my finger on, nothing I've seen in the previews has gotten me excited about seeing this film. There seems to be some magic missing (maybe because of the diretor change?). I'm personally undecided if I'm going to go and see this movie. So far, I'm leaning toward skipping it, at least until it's out on DVD. Though a lot of the positive reviews from other TZ posters had me doubting if that's the right call. I'd love to hear you opinions on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jor-El
    I guess I'll be the first to say it:

    This was second only to Fantastic Four on the list of worst comic book movies I have ever seen.
    I hope you are talking about that FF movie from the mid 90s, because if you are talking about last year's FF, I don't know what you were watching.

    Anyway, from what I hear, the biggest disappointment of X3 is its running time. Not sure why, but the worlds Extended DVD come to mind.

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    I caught a midnight showing last night and it was fun. This movie is much more action oriented than the last two and I personally liked that style more. I didn't like the fact that Cyclops was featured so little, but Wolverine was featured more and that's always a good thing. The final battle was really cool and seeing Iceman cover himself in a sheet of ice like in the comics was pretty cool as well. Overall, X3 was just a fun movie to see.
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    You know you couldn't screw up X-Men if you wanted too. Apparently I stand corrected, all you need to do is kill characters (and depower them) left and right. Really, how the hell do you kill Cyclops? I mean its freakin' Cyclops. He didn't even get a cool death scene like Xavier did.

    Overall, I consider this movie blasphemous to anything with the name X-Men attached to it. Its not that the movie was bad, they just really screwed it up. Someone said it in there review, Cyclops should of been the one in that last scene. And for some reason, making Juggernaut a mutant really pissed me off. I wouldn't recommend this movie to anyone who already had second thoughts about the movie. Its not worth the price of admission.



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    The title "X-Men: The Last Stand", is a misnomer. It should have been "X-Men: We don't love you anymore Scott Summers. In fact we hate you. You're nothing. Brett Ratner was right for not featuring you prominently in the movie because you mean nothing. In fact, you're forgotten most of the movie because nobody really seems to care. Can you read people's minds? Do you have sharp metal claws and regenerate? Can you multiply into clones of yourself? Are you the Juggernaut *****? No. You shoot lasers out of your eyes but you had to hit yourself on the head when you were a child and you can't control it anymore, because you're a pansy. So in the end, you mean nothing Scott Summers, and that's why nobody loves you, especially Brett Ratner, as well as Bryan Singer. Either that or you're just too hard a character to write for in the movies."

    Poor Cyclops. He needs love. But X-Men: The Last Stand, is a pretty good movie all things considered. And stay until the end of the credits, seriously.

    I'm somewhat happy though that I'm not the only one irritated at Cyclops' lack of presence in the movie.

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    im trying to get my thought's gathered, but here are somethings i can comment on:

    - i really enjoyed the opening sequence. i wish it was extended to show us how professor x and magneto met cyclops and storm.

    - mystique and her family. they brought it up, so they might as well should have told us that nightcrawler and rogue are her kids.

    - where was senator kelly? he could have been a nice addition with the president's crew along with beast. even if it was mystique. after mystique's capture, would they find out that she was kelly for all this time?

    - childish name calling between mystique and the guard and kitty and juggernaut. it was humorous, but after watching the movie so many times it's going to get old.

    - the ending for the x-men seemed to "happy" for me.

    right now those are somethings that come to mind when i think about the movie. im sure over the next couple days i'll be adding things.

    i honestly don't know. this could have been a great character movie if they only focused on the phoenix and her fight with the x-men. and if they didn't kill off major characters.
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    I gave X Men 3 ** out of ***
    I agree, it's just a popcorn movie.

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    It's certainly not a great movie, and it falls short of X2: X-Men United, but The Last Stand is satisfying as a popcorn film with a few genuinely interesting political undertones. Go in with lowered expectations and you should be fine.

    The biggest problem with X3, like its prodecessors, is that it tries to do too much with too little running time. It's absolutely packed to the gills, with tons of new characters, at least two main plots, and several subplots. The pacing, particularly towards the beginning, is far too hurried, and of the new characters, only Beast really gets the chance to breathe. There's simply too much going on here, and the movie could have greatly benefitted from either a tighter focus or a longer runtime.

    Other than that, some of the lines are hideously cliche and silly, and yes, Cyclops gets the shaft something fierce. But the fight scenes and special effects are excellent, I felt the Phoenix stuff was handled well, Grammer dominates as the Beast, and at least poor Storm finally matters. I think the deaths are pretty acceptable, for the most part, and I appreciate that of all the movies this one has the most sociopolitical heft, with the Cure being a particularly intriguing plot point.

    That, and what happens here feels like a reasonable progression from the first two, and that's probably the most important thing. As a closing chapter, it also works, leaving the X-Men in a logical place.

    Not a great flick, but a decent crowdpleaser if you're willing to be forgiving, and satisfying for X-fans if you're willing to overlook some of the larger breaks from character. I'd say two and a half stars.
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    Great movie. Yes, I hated Cyclops treatment. Bring him back next time and give him the treatment he deserved. But that aside, the movie was great.

    Magneto was awesome, Phoenix was great, and lots of the fights were awesome.

    Rogue felt pointless, though, and I wish we saw more of Colossus. I can't believe they actually put "I'm the Juggernaut, *****!" in the script.

    I cheered when Iceman iced up finally. Wolverine killing Jean like in Planet X was emotional and awesome. Xavier's death was very well done, as well.

    Kitty was well used, and I was glad one of the best X-Men characters finally got some screentime.

    Overall, I loved it.

    New Comicbook film ranking: Batman Begins>Spider-Man 2>X-Men: The Last Stand

    Could have been better if Cyclops got more focus, but I think politics killed him(siding with Singer).

    Ratner did a good job as director here.

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    Should've been better but it still fit in with the previous two films. Not the disastrous tonal shift the fanboy wailing hyped it up to be.

    Don't know why everyone likes Cyke so much because he's never been an interesting character. Not even in the comics. His defining personality trait is angsting over Jean. Boring. Glad his presence in all the films was minimal.

    On the other hand, Rogue was completely shafted after having been a central character in the first movie. Her arc in X3 was logical but felt second banana to Warren's in the cure storyline.

    I can't believe they actually referenced the Juggernaut internet meme. Or that they gave Xavier an Obi-Wan exit.

    The film needed another 15-30 minutes. There were moments where it needed to linger but instead just jumped to the next plot point. I get that they were going for a "passing of the torch" type ending, what with brushing aside so many of the established cast and leaving things in the hands of Ororo, Storm, and the kids. But it was more like a "Here comes the New Mutants spin-off TV show" ending than the last X-Men movie in feel.
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    What a waste! I had millions of problems with this movie. No, not millions. Billions! But here are the top two:

    1. Actresses like Halle Berry make a big fuss and the entire movie revolves around them. Actors like James Marsden say nothing and go from being unofficial leader to guy who cries for five minutes and then gets killed offscreen. These characters are supposed to be more important than the actors who play them, but they aren't done justice because the whims of divas come first.

    Genius Beast: "We have to close the school now. It's the only way."
    Halle Berry Storm: "No. We're going to keep it open."
    Genius Beast: "My god! You're right!"

    Does that look right to you? This was like the Storm movie. Every other character went through incidental mini-arcs at arbitrarily convenient moments.

    2. The writing was awful. Every line was a cliche. "[Character name]... it's over." What's over? Stop saying "it's over" in movies. I actually remember the exact scene when I felt the movie falling apart. The scene where they are about to give Angel the injection. He waits until he's strapped in to realize, wait a minute, he doesn't want to do this! "It's what we want!" "No dad... it's what you want." Wow! What cutting edge dialogue! What's that, Mr. President? "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned." Thanks!

    That's not to say there weren't good parts. The cast was great as always, and visually, there was a lot of really cool action. But we had to swallow it with the bitter accompaniment of Storm and Wolverine disagreeing in the opening scene and then repeating each others' advice in the end as an indication of some kind of arc. Great, we've never seen that before, guys.

    I was really looking forward to this. But it was a piece of X-Crap.

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    I'm a little bit torn about this film. It's got some very serious flaws to it (little character development/mischaracterizations, Cyclops wasted considerably more than the previous two, ripoffs of better films, etc.) and yet I found it oddly entertaining. A flawed yet fun film at the same time.

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    This movie was fluff. It had no storytelling to speak of. The major events just happened. The one death that meant something to me (Xavier) was ruined at the end (no one cares about Cyke, and every comic book reader suspected Jean was a goner). The cure just happened out of nowhere and was put to bed at the end. And the war, was anticlimatic. May not have been "the war" teased so well in the first 2 movies, but if that was a battle, it was lame.

    It was disappointing, to say the least. I'm not buying the DVD, I've seen enough.

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    Things I didn't like:

    -Underusage of Iceman, Colossus and Angel. Bobby had a few good bits...well just that one with him going one on one with Pyro. Though it sucked that all he did was a headbutt.
    -Piotr was just left do the fast ball special. That's it. Which adds to my hatred of the overusing of Logan.
    -And then there's Angel. What the hell was the point of him? Sure he instigated the whole Cure thing. But he did nothing else in the movie.
    -Killing off Cyclops pissed me off on so many levels. Same with Xavier.
    -And finally, the way the Pheonix was defeated. I think I don't have to explain this. Though I was expecting something else...like Leech or Rogue.

    Things I liked:

    -The whole Juggernaut vs. Shadowcat joke. I saw it coming...but I couldn't help laugh. Juggernaut in general was good. Though I was sad that they didn't add the connection with Xavier.
    -Mystique overall from what she did in the movie.
    -The way they incorporated the Phoenix story.
    -Beast was handled nicely. Loved the action scenes with him.
    -Storm was actually pretty good in the movie. Plus Storm vs. Callisto was nice.

    I still enjoyed the movie nonetheless.

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    Interesting review so far. Now I'm even more tempted to see it sooner rather than later. Good action and campy writing.....so it's another Episode III?

    I wish I hadn't peeked in this thread though -- I've already seen plot points that I didn't want to and most of that was while scrolling down the screen with the scroll bar! Damn these editor eyes of mine......

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    I'll be seeing this in an hour or so, so you can bet I'll be staying through the credits like I do to every movie.

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