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    "Fantastic Four" Talkback (Spoilers)

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    Prepare For The Fantastic!



    "It's Clobberin' time!" - The Thing



    Release Date: July 8th 2005
    Studio: 20th Century Fox
    Director: Tim Story
    Screenwriter: Michael France, Mark Frost
    Starring: Michael Chiklis, Ioan Gruffudd, Chris Evans, Jessica Alba, Julian McMahon, Maria Menounos, Kerry Washington, Hamish Linklater
    Genre: Action, Sci-Fi
    MPAA Rating: PG-13
    Related Discussion (Comics): Fantastic Four: Getting to Know the Comics
    Related Discussion (Cartoons): Fantastic Four: From the Big Screen to the Animated Small Screen
    Official Website: www.fantasticfourmovie.com

    Plot Summary: Marvel's first family of comic superheroes takes the world by storm as the longest running comic book series in history comes to the big screen. The Fantastic Four are: Reed Richards / Mr. Fantastic, who can elongate his body; Susan Storm / Invisible Woman, who not only can become invisible at will but can render other objects invisible; Johnny Storm / Human Torch, who can shoot fire from his finger tips and bend flame; and Ben Grimm / The Thing, a hideously misshapen monster with superhuman strength. Together, they battle the evil Doctor Doom.

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    Personally, I do not care how many negative reviews this has been getting, I'm still going to see it tomorrow. It is unfortunate that all the reviews I read have the need to compare it to Spider-Man or Batman.

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    The comparison to Batman isn't fair, but for Spider-Man, I think so. I did plan on seeing this, but man this has been getting some horrid reviews. I didn't expect characterization or a mind blowing plot, but some nice sfx and good fun. But even THEN, the reviews said it failed in that. So I don't know....
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    Went and saw it today, and I wasn't expecting much. I got pretty much what I expected. It certainly wasn't horrible, but it definately was a bad attempt at translating the comic, and had big, glaring faults that you just couldn't help but notice. Some of it was fun.

    What really irked me was the exposition. Don't get me wrong - I love exposition (Batman Begins had a tonne of it and it worked). But the exposition in this film is contrived, one-dimensional and boring, going far longer than it needed to. None of the characters were strong enough to pull off such backstory and such a long origin tale. The first time we see them truly work as a team is at the end, and it's really a case of "was that all?".

    What I liked:
    • The costumes - both for F4 and Doom. Shame they weren't used enough.
    • Johnny Storm. As annoying as he became at times, his character was easily the strongest. At the same time however, his powers were underused.
    What I didn't like:
    • Doom. Utterly unconvincing, and a serious Norman Osborne clone (a bad one at that).
    • The dialogue/script. Really poor conversations, ear-damaging one liners.
    • Acting. All of it was bland, sometimes cringeworthy. And I'd sooner fault the weak dialogue and script rather than the actors for this.
    • Visually, it was like a trip back to the early 90s/late 80s, in a bad way. Especially for the Thing. I know many were anti-CGI, pro-Man-in-Suit, but it really looked jarring. These days CGI can be fantastic, I would have rather seen it than this.
    • The product placement. Oh dear, this was bad - particularly in the one scene where Johnny is talking with the media and giving the four their names.
    This was kind of like a movie that didn't know what it wanted to be when it grew up, so it tried to emulate many things from other comic book movies, doing each with very poor effort and with a lack of skills or talent. Forgettable, but not entirely unforgivable, in ways Daredevil, Catwoman and Batman & Robin were.

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    Seeing it tonight....I can't wait to see some possible Jessica Alba skin
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    Well I have a few free tickets so I will be seeing it tonight. I think I will have fun with it, but I will not take it seriously and see it as more of a parody of the Fantastic Four.

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    I haven't seen it. I am going to...and I think it will be fun. I don't give 2 craps on a driveway what these critics say. I tend to find most of them less-than-free-thinking. Most of them thrive on trends, cliches, pathetic Oscar seeking pitches, and other elements of unoriginality. Don't forget over-rated, over-casted faces.

    None of them can go into a movie like this and so "Okay. FF is an old, fun, campy comic that never took itself in the veign of the somewhat adult toned X-Men, or dramatic Spider-Man. It has no dark overtones, and never has. It's like the old Batman Spoof. This should be like Batman and Robin...should have been...without the gay undertones. About a year ago Disney made a knockoff of this idea and it was praised like every other 3D film because it kept kids quiet and was in 3D....Wooooooooooooooowie. My brain make me smart."

    (Anyone ever notice those stupid 3d knock-off movies are always about finding/rescuing/or returning a child? ...such original writing)


    The main gripe I keep hearing from these "well-informed-high-brow...critics" is ..."didn't we see this in The Incredibles?" Here is my answer for you moron critics who are about as informed as a rock and possess the attention spans of toddlers....The Incredibles was a parody of the Fantastic Four comic. Which is nearly half a century old. Idiots. FF was first. I am going to hope it is campy, simple in plot, high in humor, heavy in the kind of action that wows a 12 year old, and maybe slightly serious towards the end. I think it will be exactly that. I'll reserver judgement until I see it of course...but I think this is just another case of critics revealing how stupid the human race is on a whole. Though...Zorbrak has made mistakes...........from time to time. Oh dear oh dear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZorBrak
    The main gripe I keep hearing from these "well-informed-high-brow...critics" is ..."didn't we see this in The Incredibles?" Here is my answer for you moron critics who are about as informed as a rock and possess the attention spans of toddlers....The Incredibles was a parody of the Fantastic Four comic. Which is nearly half a century old. Idiots. FF was first. I am going to hope it is campy, simple in plot, high in humor, heavy in the kind of action that wows a 12 year old, and maybe slightly serious towards the end. I think it will be exactly that. I'll reserver judgement until I see it of course...but I think this is just another case of critics revealing how stupid the human race is on a whole. Though...Zorbrak has made mistakes...........from time to time. Oh dear oh dear.
    What gets me about a lot of these negative reviews is that they keep saying stuff like "it's been done before," although not necessarily in regards to The Incredibles. Roger Ebert actually said, and I quote, "you see one fire truck saved from falling off a bridge, you've seen them all." Then again, this is the guy who hated Spider-Man and X-Men, and called X2 dumb. So it's not like I see eye-to-eye with the guy.

    My point is that when the latest comic book film is based off of one of Marvel's oldest, it's gonna feel like you're watching something that's been done before-- especially when Dr. Doom is basically turned into Norman Osborn. I think I read another review that basically said this movie would've been fine if it had come out before 2000, when the ante of comic-films had been upped.

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    fantastic four was fantastic. i really thought this would be a bad movie, but i think the portrayal of the characters were done right. i was really glad to see more of an emphasis on each member of the fantastic four about their specific power and how it affects their life, rather than big action sequences. although it seemed like most of the spotlight was on the thing, i think every one else got a fair share of screen time. i am also glad that dr doom's latveria past was not left out, since i haven't heard or read about any indication that anything about latveria would be in this movie. i really hope to see this movie again. before i saw the movie with my negative feelings twards it, i knew 2 things would be good about this movie:

    1. ioan gruffudd as reed richards. i had a feeling he would be good as mr.fantastic, i never seen any of this other works but i just had a feeling about him. after seeing the movie, ioan gruffudd is reed richards.

    2. stan lee. yep, the best stan lee cameo. mr. lee plays a mail man and welcomes the team to the baxter building. and he speaks too!

    i am looking forward to future fantastic four movies, i would like there to be a "trilogy" but i think we're going to have to see box office returns and what the critics say. one thing i do want if there is a sequel, galactus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZorBrak
    About a year ago Disney made a knockoff of this idea and it was praised like every other 3D film because it kept kids quiet and was in 3D....Wooooooooooooooowie. My brain make me smart.
    Reducing The Incredibles to simply a "knockoff 3d kids movie" is a major disservice to that film. It was much much more. Yes, it took the Fantastic Four as a huge inspiration - but it went into its own themes, created its own strong characters, and was far more adult, sophisticated and worthy of attention than this new Fantastic Four film. Not because it happened to come before a Fantastic Four movie.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZorBrak
    (Anyone ever notice those stupid 3d knock-off movies are always about finding/rescuing/or returning a child? ...such original writing)
    Have you seen The Incredibles? Once again, it is so much more than that.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZorBrak
    The Incredibles was a parody of the Fantastic Four comic. Which is nearly half a century old. Idiots. FF was first.
    A parody makes fun of and sends up another film. The Incredibles didn't do that. If anything, it was an homage to the Fantastic Four, who Brad Bird obviously admired growing up. He then mixed it with his own experiences of family, and his own interests and ideas.

    Wow. A lot of critic hate. But in this case, I feel that most of them are right (yes, except for uninformed ones who thought The Incredibles was first. But comparisons are welcome - because frankly, the imitator surpassed the teacher).

    Yes, Fantastic Four is campy. But this movie is scared to be too campy (understandably), and something really gets lost in translation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BatKid
    The comparison to Batman isn't fair, but for Spider-Man, I think so. I did plan on seeing this, but man this has been getting some horrid reviews. I didn't expect characterization or a mind blowing plot, but some nice sfx and good fun. But even THEN, the reviews said it failed in that. So I don't know....
    So you are letting bad reviews stop you? Why?

    Anyway, I hope the 100 minute running time does not hurt the movie, because it did so with X-Men and even Elektra (which might have been better had it actually been 45 minutes longer).

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    Speaking as someone who knows only a little about the Fantastic 4, the choices of the actors (aside from Chikliss and McMahon) was kind of weak. The ads and all the infor I could find about the movie itself seemed kind of goofy and pointless and the effects seemed more at home in the Incredibles than in a live-action film.

    I haven't seen it, but these are the impressions of someone who is I think a little closer to the mainstream when it comes to comic book movies. Both my gf and I knew this one was going to tank. Maybe we'll be proved right.
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    Well it wasn't "fantastic" more like... "above average". I liked the costumes and while Jonny got annoying sometimes but he was always the most entertaining.

    Actually I'm glad they made Ben a man-in-suit (thinks of Duck Dodgers... LOL) because I thought Reed's CGI stretch looked really REALLY fake. Jonny's fire was pretty realistic looking and so was Sue's invisible and a shield powers.

    Doom was rather dissapointing but an interesting take on the character's power.

    I think they hinted that Ben can't turn off his power because he was hit by the radition more than the others were.

    And apparently the sheilds "did nothing" so it wouldn't have mattered if they were all behind them.

    I was a bit surprised that Alicia was black in this version. Then again Sue Storm is usually distinctively white and it was hard to believe Jonny and her were directly related. Culture changes and diversity always seem... added on to be PC. But it wasn't bothersome in this case just unexpected.

    I digged Ben's shoes at the end. Those were awesome.

    The last fight didn't seem very epic at all. It had some nice affects though.

    But let me tell ya... Jessica Alba in her skivies was worth the price of admition. :anime:

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    Chris Evans and Micheal Chiklis were PERFECT as Johnny and Ben. Sue, Reed, and Doom, however, were VERY boring, even after gaining their powers.

    I liked the movie, but Doom just wasn't... Doom in this movie. Maybe in a future sequel we'll see the Doom we all know and hate, this this just wasn't it.

    I say we get someone with an attitude to replace Shawn Ashmore as Iceman, and do an Iceman vs. Human Torch movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sketch
    I was a bit surprised that Alicia was black in this version.
    Cast member info has been out from the start. I even pointed it out last year on the FF movie news thread (African-American Kerry Washington played Caucasian Alicia), but everyone seemed hung up solely on the four FF members apparantly to the exclusion of all else.

    I tend to find most of them less-than-free-thinking. Most of them thrive on trends, cliches, pathetic Oscar seeking pitches, and other elements of unoriginality. Don't forget over-rated, over-casted faces.
    Sounds more like the stereotype of critics than critics themselves. But there is also the stereotype comic book fan griping retentively that others can mock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sketch
    But let me tell ya... Jessica Alba in her skivies was worth the price of admition. :anime:
    Yeah, I loved that part. That scene caught me off guard, but I'm not complaining.

    I thought the movie was above average. It wasn't as good as Batman Begins, but then it wasn't trying to be the best superhero movie ever made. I agree with Washington Post movie critic Stephen Hunter and that the best parts of the film were the character development between the four. They acted like a disfunctional family and they weren't superheroes in the sense that they understood their powers. Rather, they didn't really understand them until the end of the film.

    I didn't like most of the one-liners in the film. It worked for Spider-Man 2, but it didn't work here.

    I did like Michael Chiklis as The Thing, Chris Evans as Johnny Storm and Jessica Alba as Sue Storm. Ioan Gruffield was alright as Mr. Fantastic but it could have been better.

    It's clear that Marvel wants a sequel when you look at the end. I hope it does get a sequel and improvements can be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hades
    So you are letting bad reviews stop you? Why?
    I can handle a good few of negative reviews. But when there's 80% of the people saying it far from fantastic, it usually means something. I was already apprehensive of this movie since last year, so it's not like I was really excited for it.
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    Saw this on Tuesday at a free screening and I liked it. Compared to the other Marvel films I definitely like it better than the first X-Men movie, but not as much as Spider-Man.

    The story was strictly origin, nothing fancy and nothing new. I liked how it was kept simple and balanced with characterization. I really got a good feel for each character's personality and the cast had great chemistry. The humor was good. I was afraid when I heard it would have more comedy than the other Marvel films, which made me think Jim Carrey-like comedy. It wasn't that at all, it was just humor the same jokes that fans have been poking at the FF for years. It was done with good fun and I had a good time.

    Didn't know the running time for this movie and a bit surprised it was only 100 min. It felt longer.
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    Positive review

    With all the talk about the negative reviews this movie has received, I just want to point that I saw "Today" on NBC this morning and their movie critic, Gene Shalit, love it. He said it was the best comic book movie yet and mentioned Spider-Man 2 and Batman Begins when he said it. I haven't seen it yet so I don't know if anyone will agree with him, he's only one guy with a crazy mustache, but he's a long-time critic and ought to know a thing or two about movies.
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