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    Smallville "Memoria" Talkback (Spoilers)

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    Yesterday was Tom Welling's birthday and today is an all new episode of Smallville! Last week's episode was Truth.

    Lionel goes after Clark's secret! Here is the official preview from TheWB.com.


    Smallville #3-19 "Memoria"
    Believing that key information about his father's (John Glover) past was lost when his memory was erased, Lex (Michael Rosenbaum) decides to join an experimental program with Dr. Garner (guest star Martin Cummins) to regain the information so he can turn his father over to the FBI. Knowing that Lex will discover his secret if he regains his memory, Clark (Tom Welling) tries to stop him but is caught by Lionel and the doctor and exposed to the same radical treatment so that Lionel can solve the mystery of Clark's past.

    Kristin Kreuk, Allison Mack, Sam Jones III, Annette O'Toole and John Schneider also star. Miles Millar directed the episode written by Al Gough and Miles Millar.
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    I missed like the last two or three new eps and was frustrated, but I actually saw tonights, yay!

    A really emotionally jarring episode. I just keep thinking over like the last ten minutes and how great they were....Lionel and is realization concerning Lex and his mother and Julian, and then Clark and Martha's scene....some really great peices of acting there for all characters concerned, I just loved it.

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    Good episode.
    They did a good job making you think Lex did it, even though everyone knew his Mother was supposed to be the one who did it.

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    They did a good job making you think Lex did it, even though everyone knew his Mother was supposed to be the one who did it.
    It worked great with folk like me who didn't know that until last night. I just figured "Oops, Lex accidently somehow killed Julian" whenever they alluded to it sometime back.
    Anyway, that plotline aside, the rest of the episode was really cool. I had to laugh at Clark when he went to Lionel, because it was easy to spot Lionel's betrayal comin' down the line.
    So, two more left in the season. I hope they're as good as these past two. Until now, I've only been watching this season because I have to.

    P.S. The best part was Clark's flashback.

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    Between this episode and the last one, all i can say is this - Clark's life would be so much easier if he would just freakin' tell Lex and Chloe about his powers. I mean, Chloe is arguably his best friend and he should be able to trust her. And while its obvious Lex will eventually turn on Clark, its also just as obvious that Lex will only do it because he thinks Clark has betrayed him also in some way. By telling him of his powers hed probably be able to avoid all these pain, blues and agony. It seems by him keeping his secrets he's just creating more problems then he's trying to prevent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackoutCreature
    Between this episode and the last one, all i can say is this - Clark's life would be so much easier if he would just freakin' tell Lex and Chloe about his powers. I mean, Chloe is arguably his best friend and he should be able to trust her. And while its obvious Lex will eventually turn on Clark, its also just as obvious that Lex will only do it because he thinks Clark has betrayed him also in some way. By telling him of his powers hed probably be able to avoid all these pain, blues and agony. It seems by him keeping his secrets he's just creating more problems then he's trying to prevent.
    Exactly. Clark is helping create Future-Luthor.

    Surprisingly good episode. John Glover was leaving bite marks on the furniture. His snarling of "WHAT DID YOU DO?" gave me chills. His realization that Lex was innocent was mindblowing. It seemed like such a punch in the gut to him. Took all the wind out of his sails.

    Anyone else find Lil' Lex creepy? Frankly I'm not surprised Lionel came to the conclusion he did with Lex's bizarre behavior. I know he had a good reason for being freaky but that was a nicely played misdirect on the audience.

    Clark's flashback to being put in the rocket was cool. The ending scene between him and Martha was very touching. Good stuff.

    Al Gough and Miles Millar need to write more episodes. Bonus points for not having the episode end with Clark/Lana turmoil. Half point docked because we saw Lionel's betrayel coming a mile away and so should've Clark. ****1/2.
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    I thought it was a pretty good episode. It had a storyline that made sense and avoided the usual Clark-Lana pitfalls. I'm curious to see how this whole Jor-El storyline works out in the coming weeks. As a serious Superman fan, I have been pretty leery the whole time about the way in which Jor-El has been portrayed. He seems too manipulative and demanding, and not the benevolent father figure he has been portrayed in classic comics and movies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damien
    So, two more left in the season.
    Actually it's three episodes left.

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    That was a great episode, the acting was amazing. Glover did a great job with Lionel when he saw Lex next to the crib, and at the end when lionel found out that he has been mistaken all these years, amazing. Child lex past was sort of sad as well, and of course the whole part about Clark's past was cool. can't wait for the next 3 episodes.
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    Ugh, What a great episode. This was Miles Millar's directorial debut, and not a bad one. Funny though, I never notice too many camera flubs with this show, but the camera seemed a bit jittery in the first few scenes with Clark. I'd hardly blame Millar for that, but it's interesting to see something like that, the camera setups are usually flawless.

    Great story through out, but the flashbacks and the ending scenes in particular really got me. I was really into the drama of it all, and they pulled it off so well, that I didn't even scowl at the Evanescense music at the end. I usually wince when they sneak songs in, but even that song fit well.

    The moment at the end between Lionel and Lex was some of the most powerful stuff I've seen from this show: the acting, music, lighting, camera angles, all of it, packed a punch. What Lex did for his mother, becoming the scape-goat for his mother's crime, ugh, and Lionel's reaction to it, it was all wonderful. This explained a lot for me, and I'm particularly impressed with Lionel and Lex's relationship now.

    Episodes like these prove to me that Millar and Gough truely do know what they're doing, and are earning more and more respect from me with each hard hitting episode like this one. They're weaving quite an interesting season here, and I'm almost sad to see it come to the finale. I'm hooked on this show...

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    Sorry to bump an older talkback, but this episode just aired in Canada a couple of days ago...

    Even though I just started watching Smallville a few weeks ago, this episode was incredibly powerful. Seeing Clark's first memory of his parents, the final scenes between Lex & Lionel and Clark & Martha... combined with the wonderful song from Evanescence... I shed some tears. Very emotional, on both the level of a TV drama, and the comicbook level, knowing the history behind these events, and how they affect the future... makes it even more bittersweet.

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    Hey, another Canuck is watchin Smallville I gave up posting in these threads awhile back because they got old and no one responded...

    But yeah, this was a great episode. It's a pity season 3 has been so erratic in quality, with some piss-poor filler episodes just so they can save all the fantastic, storyline-moving stuff for an episode written by the creators.

    The startling realization on Lionel's face when he realizes Julian's dead is just fantastic acting - I mean, how would you respond to that if it was your infant son? There was also the scene at the end where Lex reveals his lost memory - the look on Lionel's face almost makes you feel sorry for him despite everything he's done.

    I'm surprised putting Clark in Kryptonite-laced solution didnt kill him instantly. As for the actual scene of Jor-El and Lara putting him in the spaceship, it was great to see, but I think it kinda took away from an episode that was supposed to be focused on Lex. You can only drop in so many "reveals" in an episode, and they should've saved that particular one for Talisman (which, judging from the talkback, sounds pretty mediocre for an episode so close to the finale).

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    I'm going to do a massive five-year bump here and hope no one slaps me on the wrists...

    I just saw "Memoria" for the first time a few weeks ago. I'd rented season three and done a mini-marathon to get through all the episodes. This was definitely a stand-out in the season, and in the series.

    John Glover really had a chance to spread his wings a bit and actually get into a specific kind of drama, instead of having to make small unrelated things seem dramatic, as he usually does. If you give this man a clear storyline, he'll rock it. It's a shame to think the writers wasted so much time just having him walk around acting shady when it's so much more fulfilling to see him doing concretely evil stuff.

    And what great stuff it was. The flashbacks, despite the use of yet another new actor for young Lex, were great. You can see a Lionel of yore, still capable of loving and emphasizing and being vulnerable. His story to Lex about the box (that would eventually carry Lana's necklace - nice touch!) was colored with so many things. He was manipulating his son into feeling better, but also inadvertantly bonding with him (it's so hard to say if Lionel ever really intended to be "real" with even his family).

    I could go on and on, but instead I'll respond to specific comments here in this thread:

    It worked great with folk like me who didn't know that until last night. I just figured "Oops, Lex accidently somehow killed Julian" whenever they alluded to it sometime back.

    See, I never knew the details behind Julian, either (not that knowing them now makes his presence as a clone in season 7 any more forgivable - in fact it just makes it all the more stupid). I mostly remembered Lucius (if that was his name) from season two, who popped up in the show and was never heard from again. So learning that Al and Miles actually plotted out a clear catalyst for the difficulties between Lex and his father was very impressive and quite a discovery. I probably could have guessed that it was the mother that did it, but I was so immersed in the story, it hit me as a bit of a surprise - especially the performance, which didn't seem like any other "I killed my baby" moment I'd seen before on tv.

    I had to laugh at Clark when he went to Lionel, because it was easy to spot Lionel's betrayal comin' down the line.

    As was the case with the Mommy moment, I really didn't clue into that either. So I was twice as impressed that the script had managed to take a cool look into Lex's shattered mind and then spin it into an opportunity to delve into Clark's past as well. And for Lionel to be behind it all was great. I can't think of a better episode to showcase Lionel's villainy and humanity. And on top of it all, we get another sizzlingly awkward moment between him and Martha!

    Clark & Martha... combined with the wonderful song from Evanescence... I shed some tears.

    I was very surprised to also find myself, right before the credits, on the brink of tears. I can't think of a single Smallville episode to make me feel like that, so good on the actors and crew and writers. If only the show always aimed for these kinds of heights.

    The Lex and Lionel confrontation, however, felt very unnecessary. A step too far. The flashback was so emotionally charged, what with the mother's state, and Lex's horror and Lionel's amazing snarl and slap...there were no words that could have been written between Lex and Lionel in the following scene to equal or surpass the power of the one that came before. I wish they'd cut that entire sequence out. Glover couldn't even make it work. In the present, Lex and Lionel are almost evenly matched. How could that be more dramatic than a wrecked mother, a dead infant, a terrified kid and a furious father? That was the climax, and it would have been more fitting for Lex to keep his mother's secret. It's not like telling Dad really changed anything anyway.

    Clark was even especially interesting here - wanting to save Lex from hurting himself or putting himself in Lionel's crosshairs again, and thinking only of his secret as an afterthought. See, I buy it here that young, teenage Clark would be so moronically self-less. At this point in the series (pre-season nine), it's absurd to me that he makes the choices he does when it's clear the lives of all those around him are on the line.

    But Memoria made it work. It delivered on the somewhat teasing "Lex goes insane" storyline by offering up a really satisfying conclusion with serious consequences (at least for the inner minds of those involved), it gave Lionel a whole world of ground to cover, and he did it wonderfully, and it showed how a not-yet-mature Clark can be sympathetic even in his naive mistakes.

    One final thought - didn't it sound like Helen Slater was voicing Lara in the artfully-shot Krypton flashback? I was sitting there, completely immersed, and suddenly her voice ran a bell. If I'm right and it was her, methinks the producers might have had plans to eventually bring her into the series and wanted to tease it first. Anyone able to back up my theory there?

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    Well if you're gonna bump an old thread, at least you bumped a good one.

    You'd be hard pressed to find a better episode of Smallville than "Memoria", at least from a character/drama perspective.

    When I got back into Smallville (back around season 4/5) I too did a Season 3 marathon (skipping season 1 and 2, because I was pretty sure I'd missed all of season 3, and had vague remembrances of the earlier episodes). And after the buildup of the 2 part opener, "Shattered", and "Asylum"; Memoria felt like an amazing high point for the series.

    Personally, I'm not sure the show ever quite got there again (well except for the end of "Reckoning" and possibly a few other moments). But season 3 is still the high point of the series, for me. The beginning middle and end off the season are all really strong. (A few clunkers to be sure..."Magnetic").

    Also according to imdb Helen was not the voice of Lara.

    Yeah the clone in season 7 was a really clumsy story idea. Shocking, at the time, to be sure; but almost sullies this episode. There were some interesting psychological implications that they tried to get into, but by Season 7 the show was more about action, and less about character development/drama.

    Depending on my mood "Memoria" is always at least in my top 3 favorite episodes of Smallville.

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    Aww, thanks for jumping in and making me feel like less a dork, Palin D. What are your other favorite episodes?

    I'm a big Chloe fan, so obviously "Abyss" was a very big deal. Not only is she being worked into a story that uses Superman mythology in an intelligent way, but she's getting paired up a with a guy who can seriously generate sparks (A-Mack has always deserved better scene partners than the ones she's gotten on this series, and since we never got to see her get frisky with Lionel or Lex - not that I wanted that - Davis was a really refreshing change). Plus, Clark makes some interesting choices and mends fences with his Dad (pretty unbelievable given this is supposed to be the same Jor-El who electro-whipped Jonathan and fudged the Kara thing at the end of Season Three), and we get some really effective flashbacks and pacing. If any episode made Season Eight seem like it was heading somewhere cool, this was it. James M never really worked for me as Brainiac either, but here...well, we get just enough to get hyped.

    I liked the Pilot well enough, but I think Season One's "Premonition" was a stand-out, what with the visions of the future, a murderer on the loose and Martha in serious peril.

    Season Two's "Lineage", which I believe was the flashback to the events of the pilot was also a really big standout for me. Loved that. Also loved "Fever", mainly for the energetic Pete-and-Clark-vs-the-government stuff, and, duh, Chloe's teary love letter.

    Probably the best two-parter in the series was the Season One finale and Season Two opener, no question. Gosh, is it really possible that I genuinely like 7 episodes of the series? "Legion" was quite good too, if not for the Lana parts.

    Smallville may royally stink for the most part, but how can you really say only 3 make your "best of" cut...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DisneyBoy View Post
    Smallville may royally stink for the most part, but how can you really say only 3 make your "best of" cut...?
    Whoops! Kinda mis-represented myself there. I've got at least a top 10 (probably a top 15). It's just Memoria jostles between spots 1,2, and 3.

    Can't remember all my favs, but I'd say off the top of my head (in no particular order)

    Memoria
    Reckoning
    Labyrinth
    Legion
    Exile/Phoenix
    Commencement/Arrival
    Solitude
    Transference
    Fractured
    Descent
    Rosetta

    There are others, (I have to look back over Season 8) but those stick out to me.

    I'll probably post more in-detail when I have a chance to collect my thoughts.

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    Forgot a few other favs (can't believe they slipped my mind)

    Perry
    Onyx
    Blank (one of Chloe's best)
    Splinter

    When season 8 comes out I'll rewatch and see if anything else really holds up; possibly Odyssey, Hex and Eternal.
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