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    The Drawing Board Workshops Reference Thread

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    Welcome to the official Drawing Board Workshops Reference Thread!

    Here, you will find many selections made by the DB and the TZ community members for references in URL, book, or video form to help you with your art. Have a suggestion that we have not found or missed? Just post it here!

    To start this off... Here are some suggestions:

    URL:

    www.artlex.com <- Great reference site... A dictionary of sorts for all art.

    www.polykarbon.com <- A site suggested by resident lurker, Silverknight, a month or two ago... Great for comic type drawing tutorials and CG art as well.


    Books:

    Grays Anatomy - A great reference for the human antomy.

    Anatomy for the Artist by Jeno Barscay - Another great reference that gives an intricate view of the human body and figure drawing

    The Art of the Matrix - Rather pricey at $60.00, but great to see how some of the best artists draw production designs and story boards (or sequential art in general)

    Gladiator: The Making of the Ridley Scott Epic - Another good reference for story boarding, overall sequential art, and production design

    Any books by Scott Mccloud - Sure, they are great reads to understand comics... But he also lays out a lot of basic tools used for Sequential art (Hell, all the books are in comic book form )

    Warner Bros. Animation Art - Shows a lot of animation stills and how characters are designed.

    Batman: Animated - Another great reference for character design and sequential art.


    Well, Im spent now on references. Anyone have anymore? Share them!

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    www.penciljack.com

    It's a website similiar to the DB Workshop, where you can post pictures and art and get critical feedback. The only downside I see to this place is that there are some very harsh critics. I've seen very good pieces (professsional quality) torn to shreds, so be prepared to hear things you don't want to. Or you can stick to here.
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    Call me lazy, but I suggest popping to the website of UK comic 2000AD - www.2000adonline.com - it has a host of artist and techincal links as well as showcasing some of the new and old British artists.

    2000AD was the launching point for artists such as Brian Bolland (Killing Joke/Batman), Cam Kennedy (Star Wars Dark Empire/Vendetta On Gotham), Simon Bisley (Judgement On Gotham, Lobo), Glenn Fabry (Preacher Covers/Slaine), Steve Dillon (Preacher), Alan Davis (Excalibur), Kevin O'Neil (Martial Law), Mark Farmer (Batman) and Dave Gibbons (Batman/Watchmen)... among others. So worth having a look through to see what styles are launching aside from Marvel's influx of submanga.. 2000AD is a place to go!

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    I have another reference site on the behalf of our favorite Flower Mod, who had posted in another thread... Figured I post it here for collection purposes

    The site is a great tutorial for perspective.

    http://www.kantharasloft.com/Myst%20...rspective.html



    Again, thanks to NF for the great reference site.

    Edit: Fixed the link. ^_^ -NF

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    Well, I thought it was time to bump this very useful thread with a couple of recent suggestions by Easily Amewsed

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    Comics and Sequential Art by Wil Eisner (Before there was Scott, there was Eisner)

    Toon Art by Steven Withrow ( more of a showcase, but has tutorials and commentary by many current online comikers with a broad variety of styles)

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    More links:

    Kanthara's domain was taken down, so here's the new link for the time being:

    http://montreal.sibername.com/~kanth...ive/index.html

    It's a very good perspective tutorial.

    http://www.sketchbooksessions.com/shanesboard/

    This is a very good message board started by Shane Glines. There's a couple of TZ regulars there, including your humble servant, ovi, and Salvor.

    http://www.howtodrawmanga.com/tutorial/tutorial.html

    Many different tutorials, including drawing women, CG-ing, anime hair, and clothing. It has a strong anime slant, but the tutorial for drawing women is still very good, and you should take a look at the CG ones too.

    http://www.myst.org/tutorials.html

    More tutorials, including very good ones on how to use Painter and Open Canvas, and generally drawing/inking/marker tips. It also has a discussion about drawing tablets, if you're interested in buying one.

    http://aimee.wyvernweb.com/anim/animatr.html

    Various articles and a couple of tutorials if you're interested in pursuing a career in Animation by Aimee Major.
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    I have a couple more to add for reference... mostly since it hasnt been updated in a LONG time

    Caught in the Web : Dreaming Up the World of Spider-Man 2 - Nice in depth book of production design for the movie from character design to story boarding.

    From Hell by Alan Moore and Eddie Campbell - Beside one of the best graphic novels written, it also is very well drawn and the visual story telling is an example of good sequential art.

    Ill have more Im sure

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    Well, I just received How to Draw Comics: From Script to Print DVD from TwoMorrows Publishing. I'll check it out and let you know. That reminds me, if you can find it, Stan Lee did a video series with some artists back in the early 90's, in particluar The Comic Book Greats with Jim Lee, hosted by Stan Lee was one of the best in the bunch, as the take you from start to finish on a panel in a comic book art. It was an amazing video, also the one with Romita Sr. and Jr. was pretty good too.

    5/6/05 - Edit.
    Found out the Jim Lee Video is out of print, so finding it may prove to be difficult. I also put my review of How to Draw Comics: From Script to Print DVD in the field below. I'm not a reviewer by nature, but I hope all of you find it informative enough to go on.
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    Title: How to Draw Comics: From Script to Screen
    Publisher: TwoMorrows Publishing
    Featuring: Mike Manley, Danny Fingeroth
    Running Length: 120 minutes
    Format:
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    Extra Features:
    The script, layouts, pencils, inks and colors of the first seven pages of a comic, plus character designs.
    ISBN:
    1-893905-39-X
    MSRP: $29.95

    Synopsis:

    Mike Manley (DarkHawk, Batman, Barb Wire) and Danny Fingeroth (former Spider-Man Group Editor) sit down and show us how a new character is created, from initial idea, to script, to drawn, colored and printed first story. This DVD documents the brainstorming process between Mike and Danny as they come up with their new characters and concepts step-by-step. Danny discusses the scripting, and Mike walks us through character design, layouts, penciling, inking, coloring, and lettering.

    Review:

    This is a very informative instructional DVD. However, it is not geared towards the novice artist, as it does not go into anatomy, perspective, or other beginning drawing skills. What is shown is how the Artist approaches a comic page and the elements in designing it. One nice feature is not even on the DVD, it is the ability to view excerpts from the DVD at the Publisher’s website to decide whether to purchase it or not.

    There are six chapters on the DVD:


    • Plot and Layout – Since this DVD is more geared towards the artist’s mindset and not towards the writer’s one, we do not get a sense of the creation of the character or plot mechanics from the writer’s point of view. We get to see the decision making that Mike does when looking at the plot for page one, and he comments on why he opts for one approach over the other. One of the more important things in the first chapter that is demonstrated is not a drawing or writing skill at all, but that of constant communication between the artist and writer and how critical it can be in the design and layout process.
    • Tools – A quick chapter briefly describing the tools Mike uses. Examples shown of each tool’s use would be great, however as the rest of the DVD goes on they do come into play, so it is not that big of a problem, but I did wish he showcased the paper type used. He does state that humidity can affect how your pencils and inks react to the paper, which I did not know about though I should since I live in Hawaii where it can be very humid at times.
    • Penciling – This is the bread and butter of the DVD. This chapter details the penciling of the page, using the different tools for penciling, and discussing a basic concept of the page mechanics such as tight and loose pencils and light and dark values. It is a very informative chapter as we see the page take a definite shape.
    • Inking – Like with the chapter before, he describes the process of inking and gives us more insight of the role of light and shadow in a panel. The use of the different tools is neat to watch as we can see how they each behave differently on the paper. We also get a chance to see what happens when an inking error occurs and how Mike deals with it.
    • Coloring – This was a different take to coloring process than what I use, but it was interesting nonetheless. Although he did not mention how what setting to use for scanning the image for coloring, if you look at his screen closely you can see the settings are set for 600dpi at 100% size. This chapter was not as informative as the previous chapters and like the drawing aspects it requires that you know basic Adobe PhotoShop functions.
    • Lettering- This chapter is a very quick foray into Adobe Illustrator as to the creation of the lettering. Again knowledge of the program is mandatory for this portion as well. Two things would have made this chapter a bit more informative. 1.) the reasons why Danny chooses the areas used for the word balloons, and 2.) why use Illustrator for letters instead of PhotoShop or hand lettering.
    Overall: I was genuinely impressed with the title. It did what it set out to do and I learned some things in the process. As with all special intrest programs, if one is not interested in the subject matter, they would be bored really fast, so keep that in mind if you plan to watch it with your significant other.

    Rating: 4 out of 5 Twinkies.

    Techincal Issues: I would have preferred a background soundtrack, unobtrusive and complimentary to the content, instead of quick music cues for the beginning of a chapter. Also, while not the DVD's fault, on my older 17" LCD certain parts during the layout and penciling stages were 'washed out' by the LCDs low tolerance of light values. Looked great on my TV and my cousin's new Dell 2005FPW 20.1" LCD Monitor.
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    Manga Studio Review Link

    I was going to post my impressions about using Manga Studio Debut, but someone else beat me to the punch.

    Here's an article over at IGN which has a nice overview of the product.

    For $40, I think it's a great deal for what you can do with it. Also, the progarm has much better Brush and Pencil tools than PhotoShop in my opinion.
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    Great review Bic. I think it needs a little bump. In fact, I think we'll see if we can create a sticky link for this thread in the WS list. Really cool review. Anyone got anymore? I love Bic's format. Some more of these would be very cool!

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    Paint.Net

    Another paint program surfaces, and for now, it's free!

    Paint.Net.

    It's better than MS Paint, and it has layers to boot! I played with it real quick, and while the program is not that great for sketching and inking in my opinion, due to the lack of pressure sensitivity for tablets, it is a decent coloring program. These are just quick examples I did with out any knowledge of the program.

    Overall, for a free graphics application with layers, it's a great deal for those who can't afford Photoshop or Painter and want more features than MS Paint.
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    Now that's a find! Something not overly complicated but great for people to get into CG colouring or just for amateur fun! Take a look at Bic's screen shots - informative AND naughty. As if we could expect anything less.

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    Title: Visual Story Telling With Iain McCaig 2: Cosmic Mermaid Character Design
    Publisher: Gnomon Workshop
    Featuring: Iain McCaig
    Running Length: 120 minutes
    Format: DVD
    Resolution: 740x420
    Audio: Dolby Digital 2.0
    Extra Features: Feature, Lecture Notes.
    ISBN: 1-59762-986-3
    MSRP: $49.95

    Synopsis:

    Creating unforgettable and iconic characters is the goal of character designers everywhere. In the second DVD of this series, veteran storyteller and concept artist Iain McCaig (Peter Pan, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Star Wars: Episode One, Star Wars: Episode Two, and Star Wars: Episode Three) shows you how to create an unforgettable leading character, infusing your design with the power of visual storytelling in order to give it life. Join McCaig as he begins creating the title character for his science fiction adaptation of Hans Christian Andersen's "The Little Mermaid.".

    Review:

    While this is a very informative instructional DVD, it is not geared towards the novice artist, as it does not delve into anatomy, perspective, or other beginning drawing skills. What is shown is how the Artist approaches the creation of character design and making them iconic in a visual storytelling sense. Iain uses traditional media for sketching and PhotoShop and Painter for digital painting.

    A nice feature is not even on the DVD, it is the ability to view an excerpt from the DVD at the Publisher’s website to decide whether to purchase it or not.
    Note: This is the second in a series of tutorial DVDs.

    There are seven chapters on the DVD:
    • Introduction – A quick recap of the first disc and a short project goal of crafting a ‘hero’ character.
    • Character Line-Up – Discusses the creation of a character line-up and the visual silhouettes and colors to help identify the characters from each other.
    • Body Design – Goes though the creation of the Cosmic Mermaids’ character from start to finish pencils, stressing on keeping the visual silhouettes introduced in the previous chapter.
    • Head Design – Iain sketches the close-up of the head while giving insight on the process. He points out some good tips for keeping the character young and is not afraid to erase and sketch repeatedly to get the identity for the character right.
    • Head Painting – This step showcases Iain’s background in painting as he uses PhotoShop to paint the close up of the head. He advises not to ‘paint by the numbers’ and jumps between different areas of the Mermaid to paint. Color theory and light sources are also discussed.
    • Body Painting – Here he paints the body in Photoshop until he realizes that something is wrong with the pose, it’s not keeping in line with the Mermaid’s character. Booting up Painter, he redoes the body of the character and keeps playing with it until all the elements finally line up. Also discussed are the elements of the process including using live reference to keep the pose correct, and the art of keeping the character’s look consistent.
    • Final Thoughts- Quick segment on the overall image.
    Overall: I was genuinely impressed with the title. Iain McCaig is a wonderful artist and this DVD really delves into the thought processes of how he creates an iconic character. I would wholeheartedly recommend this to anyone wanting to learn or check out this process.

    As with all special interest programs, if one is not interested in the subject matter, they would be bored really fast, so keep that in mind if you plan to watch it with your significant other.

    Rating: 4.5 out of 5 Twinkies.

    Technical Issues: I would have preferred a background soundtrack, unobtrusive and complimentary to the content because the only music is in the DVD menu section. Having the DVD at a 740x420 resolution was very nice and picked up the pencil and blue pencil sketches nicely.



    Reviewed On:
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    Westinghouse 42” LVM-42w2 1080p LCD
    Onkyo TX-SR575 7.1 Channel Home Theater Receiver


    Notes: I have not seen any of the other discs in the series. When this first came out sometime ago, it was for $69.95. I got this one from Amazon for $29.95 + shipping. For me, it was money well spent.














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    Drunkduck has several tutorials for you to browse or search through:
    http://www.drunkduck.com/tutorials/

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    For the time being, I'm sticking this and the PS thread as I think they are great threads that require exposure and help a lot of artists!

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    Sai - Paint Program

    Stumbled across another paint program called SAI. The Official site is here. It's a Japanese program, however there is an English patch for it as well. While the program is a purchase, there is a trial version you can download and test (which is what I'm doing at the moment).

    Initial impressions after about an hour of playing with it is pretty positive. If your familiar with Painter, the tools setup is similar.

    Example:


    I purposefully left some areas uncolored so you can see the results of the pencil and pen tools. Now this was really a hasty sketch, but I think it gives you a quick idea of how the program works.

    As you can see, SAI uses layers. While not as robust in options as PhotoShop, it does the job quite well. The tools work good with my tablet and unlike Paint.net, it supports pressure sensitivity.

    I'll play with some more and give more detailed description later, but for 5,250 yen (approx. $50) so far it seems like an inexpensive alternative for digital artists.



    The one thing I did learn while trying this out is that I have completely forgotten the techniques learned from my six week painting course many years ago.
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    Tangents

    One thing artists have to lookout for in their work, is Tangents. What are they? Well I stumbled across a site that explains it better than I can about avoiding Tangents.

    Hope this helps.
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    I love that article - such simple mistakes highlighted as proper technicalities! Well worth absorbing - for all artists!

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