personally, I actually like Wreck-It Ralph and Frozen MORE than the Disney Renaissance films, which may seem strange, seeing how I'm otherwise a huge supported of 2D animation
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Back in the 90s when people went to watch the Disney animated movies from that time, they thought the older Disney movies were the classics, and probably didn't even consider a movie they were going to see in the theaters a classic, or at that time, future classic. Now (modern age), the same thing might be happening. We go to the movie theater to watch movies such as Tangled, Wreck It Ralph, and more recently, Frozen (Frozen - Pastime Show - YouTube). However, these films are just as good as the older ones, but they're also very recent. Do you think we're living in the third golden age of Disney Animation? Do you think in 20 or 30 years we'll remember movies like these as classics?
I like to think so... I mean things slacked off in the 2000's enough to say that the Renaissance came to and end, thus the next set of good films would be the beginning of a name age. First we got the classical era which started with Snow White, then the Renaissance which started with the little mermaid, and now a new era starting with Tangled.
Thinking about it, I like the sound of "the Disney enlightenment"... Though maybe just the Second Disney Reaissance... Save the enlightenment title for the age when Disney remembers they can make brilliant films with 2D animation and thus don't abandon an art form just because they think the 3D style is the reason why they have found recent success. They seemed to give up after Princess and the frog did not meet their high expectations, and do not care to try again.
In many ways, I'd say we were in a Renaissance for Disney since 2008. Before, from 2000-2007, Disney started avoiding the musical format that plagued their later releases with mediocre box office compared to their predecessors, but because of this, films like Emperor's New Groove, Atlantis, Treasure Planet, Home on the Range, Chicken Little, and Meet the Robinsons were all financial failures, with some of them not even critical successes; yes, there were fans, but they weren't as rabid as say, The Lion King, all the while Pixar and Dreamworks started to succeed with their critical darlings, and worldwide recognition.
Much like before, the Renaissance came at a time post Jungle Book where after Walt's death, films were coming out with few successes, none of them reaching Snow White status, with Black Cauldron almost shutting down the company, until Great Mouse Detective thankfully broke even. Now the comparison begins:
2008's Bolt is 1988's Oliver and Company; both were mild successes in the box office, and while both have given decent reviews, neither are considered true Walt Disney classics.
2009's Princess and the Frog is 1989's The Little Mermaid; both were intended to help give life to a company that lost what made them successful, and both were very successful with critics, and did decently at the box office.
2010's Tangled is 1991's Beauty and the Beast; both were considered superior to their predecessors as the movies before them were stepping stones and used to improve upon future works. Both were critical darlings, and were huge hits.
2011's Winnie the Pooh is 1990's Rescuers Down Under; both were successors to movies released in the 1970s, and both were huge disappointments.
2012's Wreck-It Ralph is 1992's Aladdin; there aren't similarities in box office, but both were critical hits, and both relied on references and pop culture as their main source of humor.
And finally, 2013's Frozen is 1994's The Lion King; both were monsters in the box office and were considered the best of the best, and are some of the highest-grossing films in animation.
Now, will Big Hero 6 be Pocahontas and hit the company again?
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I say that they are in another golden age. IMO it started with Princess and the Frog, with Bolt being a step in the right direction.
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I haven't seen Wreck It Ralph (Not my cup of tea) but I know it's good. As for examples like Bolt, Tangled, Princess and The Frog, and Frozen - yeah. For me, all those examples were better and have much more relatability (even if just to me) than anything Disney put out in the past, IMHO - even if the past had the better animation and art-style usage (but not by much, if at all - only because Disney has proven with Pixar and as of late that CGI can be a tool for good!).
As for a third golden age - IMHO, let's not jump to conclusions, if that's alright.
Tropes that are ruining Western/European Animation (and any animes involving school):
heck the tigger movie in 2000 was the most successful film since the original, but even that one didn't break $100 million. i mean if you look at the past couple of films, they had all be getting smaller and smaller returns; The last feature only made it to about $50 million. Is it really a surprised that it did not do well? This is unlike Disney big releases which are completely original, are written to appeal to a wide audience and have huge budgets; Feels like Disney puts in a lot more effort there. Not to mention that Winnie the pooh, and Disney's big releases go for different audiences. Really, given the waning track record for Pooh features it doesn't seem like Disney should have taken ANYTHING away from its poor performance (like the idea that 2D is dead). honestly, i find it confusing that Disney would put such high expectations on Pooh...
The sad part is that Disney seems to be blaming their failures on the medium they chose rather than looking at the films themselves and how they were promoted to see what might have caused a lack of interest. Heck one thing they also should consider it how their standards have changed... Princess and the frog did just about as well as the little mermaid did, the little mermaid got both a sequel and a tv series and became the model Disney would follow through the 90's for its renaissance. But today, the standards are higher for what kind of profits and film should have. Even if Princess and the frog did not meet their high expectations it still brought in more than twice what it cost them to make the film... Even from a financial perspective its worth it for Disney to keep trying with 2D. 2D animated films cost less to make; if they could capture success with a 2D film they might make a bigger profit even if the film does not do as well in the box office as their CGI films.
Anyway, I'm more with CoolEric that Disney Feature's latest revival started with Bolt, and the movies have been getting better as they go (though I still haven't seen Frozen yet). Creatively, Disney has been putting out considerably better movies in the past 10 years than they did during the tail end of the Eisner era. I mentioned this in the DC forum in a different context, but I think it's important to distinguish between creative success and commercial success. Disney Feature Animation has been doing quite well creatively; the disappointing box office of Princess and the Frog and Winnie the Pooh said less about the quality of the movies and more about the audiences and what they wanted to see.
I will say that I did enjoy An Extremely Goofy Movie; it was their best direct to DVD movie IMO.
will wander over yonder get a major feature film i hope so!!
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