Princess and the Frog vs Tangled vs Pooh

[Cartoonyanimator]

Now Winnie the Pooh came out on DVD and I got it for Christmas and I was thinking...

Do you think this is the best 2D animated film to come out of WD Animation in the past 5 years?

Now princess and the frog was good but Winnie the pooh was just flawless in my opinion.

Agree? Disagree?

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[Dr.Pepper]

I disagree, Winnie the Pooh was cute and all but I prefer Princess and the Frog.

[Dudley]

Disagree. Princess and the Frog was much better. Winnie the Pooh was all fluff.
Pun intended.

[Cartoonyanimator]

Disagree. Princess and the Frog was much better. Winnie the Pooh was all fluff.
Pun intended.

How so? I didn't dislike the princess and the frog, I just thought winnie was better

[MadMan400096]

I haven't seen Winnie the Pooh, so I can't really judge. However, based on Dudley's words, I'd probably choose The Princess and the Frog. But again, I can't really judge.

[Ed Liu]

I think the thread title is a bit misleading, since you're really asking, "Is Winnie the Pooh better than Princess & the Frog?" I can't say that I can hold one over the other as "better" in any meaningful way because they're radically different movies, though. If I have anything to say about them, it's that I thought they were good-but-not-great animated films that suffered from a severe lack of courage to do anything new, which I think is why they both didn't do as well as expected at the box office.

If Disney had $30M or so to spend on a hand-drawn movie, I'd have invested it in something totally different rather than the Pooh remake, as charming as it was. Comparatively speaking, $30M for a feature is chump change these days, and I think Disney could have reaped much steeper rewards if they had taken more of a risk.

[ToonEGuy]

I think the thread title is a bit misleading, since you're really asking, "Is Winnie the Pooh better than Princess & the Frog?" I can't say that I can hold one over the other as "better" in any meaningful way because they're radically different movies, though. If I have anything to say about them, it's that I thought they were good-but-not-great animated films that suffered from a severe lack of courage to do anything new, which I think is why they both didn't do as well as expected at the box office.

If Disney had $30M or so to spend on a hand-drawn movie, I'd have invested it in something totally different rather than the Pooh remake, as charming as it was. Comparatively speaking, $30M for a feature is chump change these days, and I think Disney could have reaped much steeper rewards if they had taken more of a risk.

I can understand Winnie the Pooh not being an original product, but shouldn't Princess and the Frog be classified as being something new compared to Pooh? I actually haven't seen either film yet, but I've just been happy to see anything that was 2D being in the theaters again. For me just making a hand-drawn film these days is what kind of makes it "new" in my opinion. Not because the method is new, but because it's different in a time when everything else is mainly CGI. There was a time back when Toy Story came out that CGI was the thing that was new and different, but now I think it's gotten to where it's more new for an animated film to be doing something old, if that makes sense to anyone.

[Ed Liu]

I can understand Winnie the Pooh not being an original product, but shouldn't Princess and the Frog be classified as being something new compared to Pooh?

Nope. Rather than repeat myself, I'll direct you to the big, long rambling I did back when Rapunzel turned into Tangled, and direct you specifically to the "Familiarity Breeds Contempt" section in part 2. It's a pretty good "how are we getting there?" movie and I liked it, but I also felt very strongly that it's innovations were purely technical. I never got caught up in it the same way that I did (and still do) watching stuff like Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin.

Over and above what was written there, I'd say that just because you're hand-drawn does not make you "new" in the eyes of the moviegoing public. You're not competing with what's in theaters -- you're competing with all the stuff that's out there on DVD and on broadcast TV, which means P&tF is competing with all the Disney classics, not just the latest stuff from Pixar and DreamWorks and Fox.

[Dragnatek]

In the last five years? Wouldn't that make the only other option "The princess and the Frog?" I mean when there are only two choices even when both choices are very good movies it's really not much of a feet.

I mean by defalt that makes "The Princess and the Frog" the worst 2D animated movie by Disney in the last five years and that sounds bad. Really labels like that don't really work when you have two movies.

[Cartoonyanimator]

What do you think is the best?

Winnie the Pooh did better than P and the F but both are good plus tangled is ALSO very good!

[Cyberville Outcast]

Hmmm....I'm going to have to say Tangled. Princess and the Frog was good, but Tangled was a lot more fun and full of depth. It goes to show that quality matters more than the medium it's animated in. I have yet to see Winnie the Pooh, but I heard it was good too, just too short.

[Ed Liu]

Merging the Frog vs Tangled vs Pooh thread with the Frog vs Pooh read you started a while ago. I don't see enough distinction between the two topics and more than enough crossover.

[Neo Ultra Mike]

I don't really see the point in measuring a film by "just how conterversial/what new ideas did it bring/did it define a new generation or change how all films are judged" since really, how can we even judge that at this point in time? Sure some films are so big and so influencial their presence instantly is a game changer, but most films aren't like that, and shouldn't be put on that level. Besides, films should be judged by how much you enjoyed them. How much you liked the characters, the situations, the plots, the humor, action, drama, and in this case the animation. If it's supposedly breathtaking and awe inspiring and game changing yet you don't see it, why would you bother even calling it that? So yeah just judge it by how much you liked it.

Okay with that out of the way what do I think? I've probably already said this on Toonzone but I'll repeat myself: Winnie The Pooh is by far my favorite of the three recent films (in fact my third favorite film of last year). I not only loved the animation and humor but also the warm feelings of nostalgia and wonder it brought form me. Yeah it didn't really do anything new, but what I wanted from the film was just a good 2D animated Disney film and that's what I got. So i'm not going to complain about that. I would put Princess and The Frog in front of that because I did like the story, songs and some of the characters more then Tangled. Though I will give Tangled an edge for the character interaction and set up being better, I just didn't find it as overall entertaining and interesting as Princess and the Frog. So I would put it third on the list. Not that any of the three films were bad or anything but IMHO, Tangled was good, Princess and the Frog was Great, and Winnie the Pooh was wonderful. So that's how I rank them.