More Disney sequel madness

[Anthonynotes]

Read about it here:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...y_dc_1&cid=600

Guess this means more voiceover work for a certain would-be ex-Apocalyptic Harbinger (assuming they actually hire Mr. Murphy back for those sequels, vs. finding someone who sounds like him to pay far less...though do we *really* need "Mulan II" and *3*?!?)...

-B.

[Joe Wagner]

Nope, nope and nope. Somehow I'm not surprised by the fact they are already working on a sequel to Lilo and Stitch, a movie that looks like Disney's version of the Iron Giant, but isn't slated to even be released until sometime this summer. This film might actually lend itself to a sequel but I just wish the original would have been given a shot to prove itself first - this could actually lead to a hurting on the films profits, even though the film does actually look enjoyable (except for the blatant Iron Giant wannabe syndrom - alien crashes to earth, found by an earth child, on the run from something from outerspace - only real difference is it seems that Lilo doesn't know Stitch is an alien and we see Stitch's persuers).

Hopefully Disney will realize that no one wants to see a Jungle Book 2 or Snow White 2 (Why?! Why?! What have I done to deserve such punishment?!) Mulan was good in my book but I don't think it really lends itself to a sequel, then again neither does Cinderella. The only films that actually do this to some degree, IMHO, are Atlantis and Tarzan.

Oh well, I think we all saw this coming and have realized Disney as the great beast that will destroy both its own library and Saban's in an attempt to make a quick buck. At least WB and Fox Animation studios were never this bad!

-Joe!

[RockItShipper]

I don't think a sequel or series to a movie in production is all that bad. There's the chance that the first one could lead into it, in some way. So we won't get things like Ursula's unknown sister or that squid in PP2 coming outta nowhere.

[Joe Wagner]

Originally posted by RockItShipper
I don't think a sequel or series to a movie in production is all that bad. There's the chance that the first one could lead into it, in some way. So we won't get things like Ursula's unknown sister or that squid in PP2 coming outta nowhere.

True, they could set it up to lead into a sequel (which it very well might) it's just the almost lack of respect. I don't know, I just think that they are flooding the market with a lot of worthless stuff right now (come on, Cinderella 2 - like that needed a sequel?!) and the few gems that look to be on the horizon are getting slammed by the sequel bug before they're even being given a chance. And yet we still see no new Gargoyles on the horizon, go figure.

-Joe!

[RockItShipper]

Gargoyles doesn't have any tie to Disney's feature or short departments, though. That said, I think sequels need to come out of something firmly established in the original(i.e. no surprise family members), no more plots revolving around "new character(father/daughter/son/new love interest) manipulated by the villain" arc. In the case of recent films, particularly, a story session with the original's writers while working out the sequel script?

The conflict in Cinderella is arising from a blank slate, and assumption that she would feel trapped by the official royal hostess protocol. It's more likely that she'd be pressured to produce a grandson, from what I recall of the King from the original, but how do you make a kids movie about that?

[Killtacular]

Disney seems to have forgotten that Jungle Book sequels don't do well in theaters. Remember the live-action adaption?

It looks like Disney is no longer going to be making original cartoon films after Treasure Planet. Jesus Christ, what a way to go. This ties with Lucasarts' cease-and-desist system as the all-time highest bastardization of a company name. Soon, I doubt they'll be putting movies in theaters at all. Probably only on video and TV, and only for the sake of being able to put new rides in their exponentially declining theme park.

[Joe Wagner]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Soon, I doubt they'll be putting movies in theaters at all. Probably only on video and TV, and only for the sake of being able to put new rides in their exponentially declining theme park.

LOL. Disney still does have some stuff on their schedule for new animated features. One that looks like it has the potential to be pretty good is called "Bears". Deals with an indian teen who sees his father killed by a pack of bears. This leads him to hate bears, until he wakes up to find that he is one. Now he must protect himself from his tribe and also learn about nature. Could be good. Another one, tho rumored, is a Three Muskateers that would star Mickey, Donald and Goofy - tho I can't get any confirmation about this project.

Altho, you raise a good point - if I ever get my own animation studio I'll have to look at Disney's business plan for the 2000's and realize this is what a good business doesn't want to do.

As for the Gargoyles thing - it's just a hope that someday they would bring Greg back to continue the story. Altho they are still looking into a live action Gargoyles movie, I never meant to say that they would actually do anything animated - I figure this will be a property that they sit on until someone can pry it away from their execs cold hands.

-Joe!

[DR. BELCH]

RockItShipper:
It's more likely that she'd be pressured to produce a grandson, from what I recall of the King from the original, but how do you make a kids movie about that?

Consider history--Henry VIII needed sons to inherit the throne but his wife produced only a daughter. So he basically engaged in religious chicanery, not to mention a divorce and two beheadings --to insure a male heir on the throne. Here we could see Parliment pressuring the prince to divorce Cindy, who is only producing girls, to remarry. He won't hear of it. (Of course the irony is that a child's sex is dependent on the male.) There's talk of abdication. Some sort of scheme insues to save her marriage and put a boy on the throne--maybe cutting a deal with dark forces. Cindy loses her soul, her Prince, and ends up back in the scullery, her ideal life irreparably shattered.
That I'd pay to see, actually.

[Dee]

Boy, I rented Atlantis and the first half was a million times better than the 2nd half. Thats besides the point im trying to make though. I saw the previews for Cinderella 2 and Tarzan 2 and I'm sorry--- but I do believe Disney is running out of ideas! Rather than suck the life out of a fairy tale that they've already laid claim to--- why don't they make some new ones--- literally--- some new fairy tales. Shrek was awesome, and was in it's own, a fairy tale. Disney can be a little more creative than Peter Pan 2, Cinderella 2, Tarzan 2 and only zotz knows what else. This whole sequel thing (not toy story--- that HAD to keep going hehe) is starting to smell. As for the Aladdin trilogy-- I've not seen 2 or 3 for the sake of saving my sanity.


Anyone remember a cartoon fairy tale show that was on Nickeloden before it became a teenie-bopper channel? They had like Grimms fairy tales or something but it wasn't like grim. So hard to explain! They were decent, and they were entertaining. Dang! I wish I could remember what Im talking about namewise!

[Sango]

I've recently saw a list of upcoming Disney movies that are in the works and I know some people here at TZ said they should start making some of the old fairy tales again. Well, I read on the list that they're supposed to be making a "Rapunzel" movie. It did have a question mark beside it so it's not official I suppose. And all it said was it would be released sometime before 2012. Does anyone else know anything about that? =\ Honestly, I'm not sure how good it would be anyway...

[Sango]

Originally posted by Delia97

Anyone remember a cartoon fairy tale show that was on Nickeloden before it became a teenie-bopper channel? They had like Grimms fairy tales or something but it wasn't like grim. So hard to explain! They were decent, and they were entertaining. Dang! I wish I could remember what Im talking about namewise!

Oh, I remember that! I used to watch it all the time. Hey, I can't remember the name either so if you go to www.yesterdayland.com they should have the title there.

And I agree with you about the teenie-bopper thing! ^_^

[Dee]

I looked up fairy tales and grimm and all sorts of stuff and all they list is the rocky and bullwinkle show. Boy, now I'm REALLY wondering what it was!

[Anthonynotes]

Originally posted by Delia97
I looked up fairy tales and grimm and all sorts of stuff and all they list is the rocky and bullwinkle show. Boy, now I'm REALLY wondering what it was!

I recall this show....was weekend afternoon time-filler mostly---anime-style fairy tales (don't recall the series' exact name). Recall watching, but hoping it wouldn't run too long so that they could show "Looney Tunes"or something....

-B.

[PeppeRaskell1]

Originally posted by Brainatra
[B]Read about it here:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...y_dc_1&cid=600

I remembered a little while back that Filmation (the real Ed Wood of TV Animation) wanted to do sequels to every Disney cartoon ever made. They started with Pinocchio (remember "Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night?") and Snow White ("Happily Ever After"), then they went out of business.

Now, Disney is making sequels to "Hunchback of Notre Dame," "Cinderella," and even a "Snow White" sequel has been promised or threatened.

The Immortal Chance "T-Bone" Furlong said it best...
Deja-Vu City!"

[Defiant1DS9]

Disney should give making cartoon movies a rest for about 10 years and then allow in that time period to allow for new ideas to flourish then come back with new ideas.

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH

Consider history--Henry VIII needed sons to inherit the throne but his wife produced only a daughter. So he basically engaged in religious chicanery, not to mention a divorce and two beheadings --to insure a male heir on the throne. Here we could see Parliment pressuring the prince to divorce Cindy, who is only producing girls, to remarry. He won't hear of it. (Of course the irony is that a child's sex is dependent on the male.) There's talk of abdication. Some sort of scheme insues to save her marriage and put a boy on the throne--maybe cutting a deal with dark forces. Cindy loses her soul, her Prince, and ends up back in the scullery, her ideal life irreparably shattered.
That I'd pay to see, actually.

Hehehe, that's evil. But you're missing one thing... Cindy finding out that Royal Bride #2, one of her stepsisters no less, just gave birth to a male heir. One of Cindy's daughters asks if they can visit their stepcousin/half-brother, but Cindy just snaps at her to go back to work.

[Dark Spider]

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Anyone remember a cartoon fairy tale show that was on Nickeloden before it became a teenie-bopper channel? They had like Grimms fairy tales or something but it wasn't like grim. So hard to explain! They were decent, and they were entertaining. Dang! I wish I could remember what Im talking about namewise!
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"Papa Beaver's Sotry Time"
It used to air on Nick Jr. back from the range of either 1994 -1998, I don't know the exact year. It was a lot like Grimm's Fairy Tales where it would showcase a fairly tale that had a moral at the end of it, somewhat like a fable. The stories were narrated by Papa Beaver who would read the story, from a book, to his 3 children (2 boys and a girl who wore pink overalls. I pretty sure one of the boys was named Sam). I think there were 2 or 3 fairly tales per episode. The show lasted a half hour. It was a pretty decent show that was right up there with Grimm.



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I recall this show....was weekend afternoon time-filler mostly---anime-style fairy tales (don't recall the series' exact name). Recall watching, but hoping it wouldn't run too long so that they could show "Looney Tunes"or something....
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Back in the early 90's Nickelodeon used to have a show named "Special Delivery". It aired on Sundays (I believe) for 2 hours. They showed fairy tales and other similar stuff. One of the fairy tales I remembered them showing was one about a Manx cat (a cat without a tail) and how he didn't fit in with others because he didn't have a tail. I always loved that one. Last time I seen "Special Delivery", it was 1993, early 1994. I think it was replaced by either "Weinerville", "What Would You do?" or "Looney Tunes". Anyone remember those show?

I seem to have a good memory when it comes to old shows

[Dub]

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Back in the early 90's Nickelodeon used to have a show named "Special Delivery". It aired on Sundays (I believe) for 2 hours. They showed fairy tales and other similar stuff. One of the fairy tales I remembered them showing was one about a Manx cat (a cat without a tail) and how he didn't fit in with others because he didn't have a tail. I always loved that one. Last time I seen "Special Delivery", it was 1993, early 1994. I think it was replaced by either "Weinerville", "What Would You do?" or "Looney Tunes". Anyone remember those show?

OMG - I remember Special Delivery.... That was when they'd air a variety of different shows/movies/whatever. A hodgepodge mix of sorts ^^

Ahhh the old days of Nick when they were actually good.... anyone remember Turkey TV? ^___^

[Anthonynotes]

Originally posted by Jon "WB" Gray
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OMG - I remember Special Delivery.... That was when they'd air a variety of different shows/movies/whatever. A hodgepodge mix of sorts ^^

Ahhh the old days of Nick when they were actually good.... anyone remember Turkey TV? ^___^

I remember "Special Delivery" as well...recall it was a staple of Nickelodeon back in the 1980's (along with "Pinwheel" airing for hours on end to fill up the daytime...).

-B.

[Lonestarr]

Originally posted by Delia97
Anyone remember a cartoon fairy tale show that was on Nickeloden before it became a teenie-bopper channel? They had like Grimms fairy tales or something but it wasn't like grim. So hard to explain! They were decent, and they were entertaining. Dang! I wish I could remember what Im talking about namewise!

Delia, I think I know what you mean: "Grimm's Fairy Tales" was, at least from the look of the animation, a Japanese-made series that was acquired by, IIRC, Saban. It ran on Nick Jr. in the late '80s/early '90s. It was all right.