Why doesn't Disney do Fairy Tales any more?

**John-Paul** · 01-25-2002, 10:19 PM

Dinosaur,Atlantis,Those damn DTV Sequels!

Why don't they do fairy tales any more.

There ARE A bunch more they can do:

A new 3 little pigs

Goldilocks and the 3 bears

Snow White and Rose Red

Princess Goldilocks (It would have to be PG but................)

**Terminatah** · 01-25-2002, 10:30 PM

Some people go to the movies to see things they HAVEN'T seen before.

-Terminatah

**Calhoun07** · 01-25-2002, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Terminatah
Some people go to the movies to see things they HAVEN'T seen before.

-Terminatah

When did you see the movies made for these other fairy tales?

**John-Paul** · 01-25-2002, 10:49 PM

I know but what I mean is that all these new ones failed.I think they can do one based on a littler known fairy tale like Snow White and Rose Red or Princess Goldilocks (But Disney would have to ruin it).I'd also like to see an animated "A Raisin in the Sun" but due to the fact that it's about a black family who's Lead Man is like Archie Bunker it won't happen

**Nightflower** · 01-25-2002, 11:04 PM

A lot of people say they "ran out of fairy tales", but they had plenty more... Rapunzel, just to throw in another one...

They got pretty "diverse" during the 90s, using folk tales from other continents and the occasional European classic (Hunchback), and now it seems they're writing original stories.

My theory is that "happily ever after" went out of style, and spunky "diamond-in-the-rough" heroes/heroines seemed to be better role models than simpering princesses waiting for their prince to rescue them.

**Mr. Obsession** · 01-25-2002, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Nightflower
My theory is that "happily ever after" went out of style, and spunky "diamond-in-the-rough" heroes/heroines seemed to be better role models than simpering princesses waiting for their prince to rescue them.

AHH! I think you may have just found a reason for Di$ney to justify doing Cinderella 2 & Snow White 2.

**Joe Tully** · 01-26-2002, 12:04 AM

Nightflower's probaly right. I don't think that they wanted to repeat that classic "rescued princess" story too much, it gets boring quickly. There was Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella...Little Mermaid and Aladdin are closer to being classic fairy tales but aren't quite there IMO. And then there's lots of stuff that isn't really fairy tale material like Mulan, Pocahontas, and older stuff like Rescuers, 101 Dalmatians, Aristocats, Melody Time, Fantasia, Jungle Book, Fun and Fancy Free, Song of the South...even Pinocchio and Peter Pan aren't really fairy tales. While lots of their movies are based on old stuff, they mixed it up a bit to try to make it interesting.

Some of those stories that you mentioned would be difficult to turn into movies, also. The Three Little Pigs was done by Disney a long time ago as a 7 or 8 minute short!

**kiddiesunshine** · 01-26-2002, 12:30 AM

don't you all think it's time to make some new fairy tales?

**Killtacular** · 01-26-2002, 01:12 AM

I enjoyed Emperor's New Groove far more than any of the 'fairy tales' Disney's released in the past 20 years, that's for sure.

I also liked Oliver and Company. Yeah, it had some weird songs, and was 'cute', but it had a gritty realism to it too. The people in it were believable. And Fagin and Syke were ugly SOBs..

**Jedigreedo** · 01-26-2002, 01:18 AM

I enjoy their original movies most of the time, like the Lion King, but if they wanted to base something off stores I would think it would be good if they went for the classics now like 20,000 leagues under the sea, Tom Sawyer, etc.. Well, it'd be better than them taking a known fairy tale and giving it 10 sequels by 2003.

**Terminatah** · 01-26-2002, 01:24 AM

What I mean is this: These are stories everyone has heard before, and they don't necessarily lend themselves to feature films very easily. Who is waiting for a movie about Goldilocks and the 3 bears? What would be the purpose behind this movie? I can see certain fairy tales being used as frameworks to come up with new stories that provide a deeper message, but to tell them straight out wouldn't be innovative at all. Why waste resources like that just because these stories happen to exist? I say get creative.

-Terminatah

**Sango** · 01-26-2002, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
I enjoyed Emperor's New Groove far more than any of the 'fairy tales' Disney's released in the past 20 years, that's for sure.

I agree with you on that. I really enjoyed "The Emperor's New Groove" a lot more than their recent movies. But I just had a bad thought...What if Disney tries to ruin it by making a DTV sequel to it?? O.o

**Terminatah** · 01-26-2002, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Sango

I agree with you on that. I really enjoyed "The Emperor's New Groove" a lot more than their recent movies. But I just had a bad thought...What if Disney tries to ruin it by making a DTV sequel to it?? O.o

It wasn't really a big moneymaker for them, so we probably won't see a sequel. Same thing with Atlantis, it didn't do so well, and we are getting a sequel, but the animated series was cancelled.

It seems the best thing that can happen to these Disney movies is bombing at the box office. That's a good way to prevent the bastardized followups. Basically, what we've come to is this: If you're going to like the movie, don't go see it.

-Terminatah

**Nightflower** · 01-26-2002, 09:27 AM

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
I enjoyed Emperor's New Groove far more than any of the 'fairy tales' Disney's released in the past 20 years, that's for sure.

I also liked Oliver and Company. Yeah, it had some weird songs, and was 'cute', but it had a gritty realism to it too. The people in it were believable. And Fagin and Syke were ugly SOBs..

Hey, I liked Oliver and Company too! When I was watching it, I kept thinking "Hey, Fagin is a good guy, but he's uglier than Sykes! Don't understand! Disney always makes beautiful heroes and heroines! Can't.....compute....brain....overloading.... *implodes*"

Disney would have never done "Three little pigs" or "Goldilocks and three little bears", even if they followed the fairy tale trend. They seem to like the stories with human characters and at least *some* meat to work with.

And no, it's very unlikely they'd make a DTV sequel to "Emperor's New Groove", unless they were REALLY desperate. They barely acknowledge the movie's existence as it is, because they lost so much money on it (They were halfway through a normal musical epic when they completely revamped it and made it into a comedy). It was advertised quietly, then pushed aside for Atlantis, which also didn't make very much money, as many people have pointed out.

**joshualane** · 01-26-2002, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by Terminatah
It wasn't really a big moneymaker for them, so we probably won't see a sequel. Same thing with Atlantis, it didn't do so well, and we are getting a sequel, but the animated series was cancelled.

The cancelled animated series is the sequel. They had pretty much finished the first few episodes of the series so they're just repackaging them into a DTV.

And in response to someone's post about using Rapunzel as a film, it was actually thought about several years ago from what I've read, but nothing ever came of it. I remember something about it possibly being a musical comedy I think.

Personally, I would rather see some completely original stories as opposed to Disney doing fairy tales. I think they worked well years ago because the animated film format was new so they needed to do something accessible and simple, but fairy tales often lack any sort of epic scope that films of today have. I think that reworking a novel into a film would also be good, like what they've done with Treasure Planet which is essentially Treasure Island in space.

**Elven Moon** · 01-26-2002, 02:48 PM

I've been wondering for years why they haven't made any Rapunzel and Rumplestiltskin (Argh, I can't spell it!) movies. Now I guess I know

Still, I enjoyed The Emperor's New Groove very much, and Oliver and Company will always be a childhood favorite.

They could always go the "based on the novel by" route a bit more, like Atlantis and The Princess Diaries. They've recently shown by Snow Dogs that they really can't write their own material very well anymore.