Speculation on Season Three's Villains (Possible SPOILERS)

[Karkull]

NOTE: I can't recall if one of these threads has already been started, so I apologize if it has (I haven't seen one on the five most recent pages, so a new one might be in order anyways).

Anyway, for the past few weeks we've been reading report after report about which superheroes will be guest-starring this season, but as for villains we've only recieved confrimation on one: Mongul. Compared to last season's rumors and teasers -- where we heard a laundry list of bad guys to whet our appetites -- this is maddening. So I ask you: based on what has come before, speculation, and just plain wishing; who do you think will be raising hell this season on Justice League?

Here are my pics:

RETURNING VILLAINS

Vandal Savage

He's currently shaping up to vie for the coveted "Darkseid" slot -- the series' major adversary -- so I wouldn't be surprised to see him again.

Lex Luthor

After shedding his supervillain career in favor of a more "jack-of-all-trades" villainy, he'll probably stop by. Also, if he does run for President, which A Better World hinted at, I wouldn't be surprised to see the animated debut of Suicide Squad, the government-sponsored superteam that uses "reformed" villains.

Gorilla Grodd / The Secret Society

Unlike the Injustice Gang, The Secret Society has a better chance of making a return appearance. Not only did the team worked well together, but they haven't even begun to scratch the surface of their potential to oppose the League. Imagine The Parasite draining Batman of his intelligence and fighting prowess, or Clayface trying to absorb the divine clay that makes up Wonder Woman's body (as he recently tried to do in the comics)? True, not every member may return, but the Society functions too well to just disband.

However, if the Society doesn't return, I don't see why Grodd wouldn't. After Savage and Luthor, Grodd is one of the animated League's primary adversaries.

Killer Frost

If Firestorm appears, chances are that his archfoe from the comics will too.

Solomon Grundy

So what if he died -- in the comics Grundy has died more times than Jean Grey. Also, as the DCAU's resident Hulk-like monstrosity, he's developed quite a following.

Dr. Destiny

In the comics, Destiny's desire for revenge worsened when he lost his ability to dream, which caused him to whither away into a form that could best be described as looking like Gollem from LOTR. As it stands he still hasn't given the League the "punishment" that he thinks that they deserve, he owes Batman for the beating that he took, and he didn't even get a crack at Wonder Woman yet...

In addition, imagine if Destiny's return coincided with an appearance from the DC/Vertigo Sandman character. In the comics, Dee's second Materioptikon was The Sandman's Dreamstone, which was stolen from him while he was imprisoned. Using the stone's powers, Dee was able to infect dreams on a global scale in one of the most horrifying comic tales ever.

NEW VILLAINS

Ares

Wonder Woman's arch-enemy; the embodiment of everything that Diana and the Amazons stand for. He's long overdue for an appearance; plus I've had the sneaking suspicion that he's Aresia's patron from Fury (where else could she have recieved her information on germ warfare from and how else did she get off the island undetected?).

T.O. Morrow

Creator of Red Tornado's android shell, he'll appear if his creation does.

The Gentleman's Ghost

Okay, this one is on my wish list. Frequently mentioned as a potential bad guy for the former Batman series, the creative team never got around to using him (no thanks to FOX, who put the axe to a Ghost appearance during their BTAS days). I think that a Gentleman's Ghost appearance would make a wonderful basis for a Batman/Hawkgirl team-up, seeing as how he's been an adversary of both for years.

Jason Woodrue - The Floronic Man

Another wish list character. Essentially a Poison Ivy-like bad guy, Woodrue had a shining moment in the pages of Swamp Thing, where the plant-man usurped the Swamp Thing's mental connection to The Green (the collective hive-mind of the planet's plant life) and went mad. Seeing as how the creative team apparently has a great affinity for Alan Moore's work, I don't see this a being outside the realm of possibility.

In fact: how about a Woodrue/Ivy team-up? The creative team has had Ivy-themed stories on the brain for quite a while now. Throw in Swamp Thing (who made a walk-on "cameo" in Comfort and Joy) and Solomon Grundy into the mix and you would have an awesome story.

(NOTE: Okay, an adaption of the Swamp Thing story would be more dramatic if Ivy took Woodrue's place, but Woodrue would make a great supporting villain for the episode. Fun fact: Woodrue was Ivy's Botany professor back in college.)

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So, what do you think? Remember: don't just name off a bunch of names, give us a reason why you think they should appear.

[The Detective]

Vandal Savage: Definately one of the series big bads, he was the main villain of the S1 finale and had two S2 appearances. He'll almost definately show up once more.

Lex Luthor: Again, with several appearances in both seasons and a hint that he'll run for president pretty certain he poke his bald head in again.

Ras al Ghul: This one is pretty much hoping but he is one of the most asked for villians and as we saw in S2 the crew listends to us. Ras just has to show up.

[Fernus]

Returning Villains/Villainesses


Lex Luthor

After A Better World, it's almost demanded that Lex Luthor returns, this time as President, or at least running for President. I see him being the "master mind" behind several villains that may come, the man behind the curtain.


Killer Frost

Like Karkull said, if we truly are seeing Firestorm, I'd expect to see her. Out of the Secret Society, she seemed to have the most character. I'd welcome an appearance from her.


Morgaine Le Fay:

One of the highlight villainesses of season one, it's about time she returns to face th Justice League again. Apart from Orm, I do not see any other season one villains returning who haven't already besides her. Can't see Etrigan coming in, though, without repeating A Knight of Shadows.



New Villains


Ra's al Ghul

As long as we stay out of Tower of Babel, I'd be more than happy for Ra's to show up. Out of Batman's villains, he would make the most trouble to the League, along with Scarecrow.


Ma'alefa'ak (Malefic)

From the John Ostrander series, I can not think of any other of J'onn's villains who could pose a bigger threat than him. Even though the origins will make this a bit difficult, he can still find a way to show up. It's either him or Fernus for the best bets of an MM enemy.

[Mysteryinfoman]

Savage-as you said, he is becoming a bigger villian and may be like Darkseid at one point.

Lex Luthor-I think it is obvious he'll show up more than once0.

Amazo-I think he left at the end of the episode, he might be back at some point.

Thats it for now.

[HelloKittyKat]

Luthor, Vandal Savage, Grodd, and Darkseid are good bets for returning villains

The producers might give in to demand for Ra's al Ghul to appear.

Killer Frost, Chronos and T.O. Morrow are good bets to fight the guest heroes.

Who else wants to see an Amazo/Red Tornado fight?

We need to see more Flash villains, period. And if they use Zoom, I pray he isn't just some cheap lackey on a new supervillain team.

Ares, Prometheus, and the Lord of Time are some big villains who haven't been used yet.

[BCVM22]

Supposedly, we have Captain Atom showing up in Season 3. Perhaps that means we'll get appearances by General Eiling (who was the head of the Captain Atom program that bonded Captain Nathaniel Adam with the alien metal), either human or in his Shaggy Man form?

[All-Star 1.5]

I Wouldn't mind seeing gold old Vandal Savage again. But I don't think he should try to take over the world. I mean in the comics didn't he hunt down Arsenal and his daughter because he was their ancestor and he needed one of their organs to live. I wouldn't mind seeing that adapted but instead of Arsenal I would rather it would be Batman or Green Arrow. Or maybe if does return to take over the world I wouldn't mind him using the Illuminati, a secret organization that he started.

I don't see Solomon Grundy coming back because I would perfer that he stay dead for now. And if he does come back I perfer if he was a ghost or at least for a little while.

Ras' could appear but I don't see how he would be any different from Vandal Savage unless the two were pitted against each other. But then agian he did do something big that was refrenced to in Batman Beyond so maybe he could turn up to fulfill that refrence.

I wouldn't mind seeing the 5th dimesional imp Mxyptzlk(sp?) appearing seeing as how he was really underused in S:TAS. In fact I am surprised he didn't appear this season especially considering all the Superman villians that did. And the league probably has some understanding of him since he was one of the target dummies that was seen in "Secret Society".

If Darkseid is dead. Then maybe his son could show up. And no I am not talking about Kaliebak, Orion or Mr. Miracle but Grayven(sp?) if I am not mistaken in the comics he is the one responible for John Stewart being paralyzed and the break up of the Darkstars a intergalatic peace keeping force that is similar to the GL corps.

But if Darkseid isn't dead I wouldn't mind if he showed up to cause a little bit of chaos........ on a unoversal scale that is.

I wouldn't mind seeing The Zamarons since we already have Star Sapphire and I would also like to see The Controllers seeing as how they too are related to the Guardians.

I also wouldn't mind seeing some Flash villians like Blue/Red Trinity, Savitar, Reverse Flash, and Cobalt Blue

Ares,Circe,Giganta and Cheetah would all be really good villians for Wonder Woman.

I would love to see Lex Luthor and most of the supporting villians from this past season to return as well as some new ones from B:TAS and some never before seen villians from other heros continunties.

[Alex Weitzman]

Savage and Luthor are the obvious returning picks, as noted in several posts already. The Joker is also likely to appear, even if only in the background. Also, given the focus given these last two seasons on Batman's relationship to the League, and especially his little crack about the kryptonite in his utility belt ("Call it insurance."), a Tower of Babel adaptation is probably forthcoming.

This is not a specific guess, but I think the team will spend at least one of the episodes creating an entirely new villain for the League to fight.

[The Detective]

More...

Chronos: With The Atom set to appear Chronos is a possibility.....he is an Atom villian and has appeared in the JL animated comic.

Reverse Flash: This one is me hoping but I hope we see him make an appearance and we see Flash get to DO SOMETHING. I mean really go all out have some massive super speed battle or something.

Sinestro: His appearance in the SS was minimal, I'd like to see him get his own episode. It would be even better if we got to see Kyle Rayner as a guest shot.

Jax-Ur and Malla: C'mon two superman level threats? It would be great!

[GL2k2]

Well, off the top of my head, villians were speculated and pondered in the Season Three thread, but it deserves its own. So here goes.

NEW VILLIANS:


Ra's Al Ghul He is a must. Whether they adapt "Tower of Babel" for the season finale or whatever they come with, but I think he'd have to make an entrance that rivals Darkseid's "Twilight" appearance and he'd have to usurp the leading immortal position from 'ol Vandal Savage. But if anyone can, it would be Ra's.

OT: Did anyone hear rumors of ben Kingsley's interest in playing Ra's Al Ghul in a Batman film? I got this info from another site.

Professor Zoom aka Reverse Flash In order to bring out more character development in Flash, this villian is a must. Besides, his other rogue gallery members have been used in a comedic way already other than Grodd.

Chronos Been waiting for him. Bwah, hah, hah, get it.

T.O.Morrow Has to appear if Red Tornado appears.

Dr. Polaris Since I've figured out he's not the same guy that appeared in Teen Titans. I'm hoping he can make an appearance as a Green Lantern foe.


RETURNING VILLIANS:

Luthor I think he should only make one appearance this season, perhaps establishing his campaign to the presidency. No more than that.

Grodd It's established he has a new found psychic power and added to his thirst for vengeance and his guidance of the Secret Society, he should make an appearance next season.

Sinestro Like they say, be careful what you wish for. I was hoping to see Sinestro in Season 2, but I didn't like the way he was used. Sinestro's the kind of villian who can contain an entire episode alone and take on the Justice League. I also thinking if he appears, he would have to be teamed with none other than. . .

The Manhunters Definitely a threat to the team and the entire earth. If a good story could be justified to bring them in, I'd like to see it.

Felix Faust This is a villian I don't want to be called off just yet. Although "Paradise Lost" wasn't my favorite episode of S1, but it did provide us with the series first mystical JL villian. I'd really like to see more of Felix Faust in an episode that will utilize more of they're insight on magic.

[Juu-kuchi]

Vandal Savage most definitely will return, as well as Luthor. We'll see another Secret Society episode as well.

Ra's Al Ghoul is most definitely a top contender for Season 3, I wouldn't mind a Vandal/Ra's crossover against the League as two immortals battle against them.

One question, I've heard rumors of new members to the league are they going to replace a number of the original JL? If they are they're just going to make this a DC version of that Avengers show on Fox.

[FALLEN ELDOR]

Ra's VS Vandal, c'mon, you know it has to happen! but please no "Tower of Babel"
it would just end up being redundant

And I would love to see Darkseid licking his wounds, working secretly through Ares to get at the league.

I also really really want to see a huge time spanning epic with Chronos at the center point and Wave Rider gathering heroes from the past present and future, a Crisis level event!

Sinestro and more green lantern villains, I can't get enough of green lantern, they definitely need there own show!

[Knight]

Who else wants to see an Amazo/Red Tornado fight?

I don't see that being much of a fight considering Amazo posses the powers of the entire JL and Red Tornado is just a robot with wind powers.

Ras would be nice but he's no Vandal Savage who is a true immortal. Ras is a wannabe who takes a lazrus bath from time to time but can still be killed if you put a bullet to him. Vandal on the other side cant be killed. So if the two were ever to war Vandal would certainly outlast him.

[Alex Weitzman]

Jax-Ur and Malla: C'mon two superman level threats? It would be great!

Well, don't forget that whole sucked-into-a-black-hole problem.

[DianaGohan]

I see A.M.A.Z.O returning with a league of super killer cyborgs he found and trying to take over the earth and shape it into his own "godly" image. And the Justice League tries to stop him somehow. I think it works at least.

[Simpler Simon]

Ra's Al Ghul - a MUST. From Karkull's site I gather Ra's isn't a true JL enemy, but the team will get slaughtered by the fans if he doesn't appear. It'd be nice to get another epic story from him - we've only gotten melee fights since The Demon's Quest. And I MUST see Talia again

Dr. Destiny - The ending of Only a Dream seemed to set up the creepy, wasted Dr. Destiny that most fans thought would appear.

Vandal Savage/Lex Luthor/Joker/Solomon Grundy - as much as these four could probably appear again, it's not necessarily a given. Vandal, Grundy, and Luthor have pretty much completed their character "arcs", albeit prematurely. Luthor, in particular, has also appeared a lot this season. I'm getting a bit tired of Joker, even though Wild Cards looks to be good fun. And not every major nemesis has to make return appearances - Blight from BB was killed off at the end of season 1.

[Nick K.]

Black Manta in an Aquaman Episode!

He is a classic villain who's only chance to be explored may be tgis show, unless we get an Aquaman Animated Series!

Circe would be a great villain for a WW centered ep and if The Flash provided some hilarious commentary on, how much he is in love with this seductress... Well now...

More Original Villains!

Tsukuri and Vox were some really good inventions so I wanna see some new ones now!

[All-Star 1.5]

Ra's Al Ghul - a MUST. From Karkull's site I gather Ra's isn't a true JL enemy, but the team will get slaughtered by the fans if he doesn't appear. It'd be nice to get another epic story from him - we've only gotten melee fights since The Demon's Quest. And I MUST see Talia again

Dr. Destiny - The ending of Only a Dream seemed to set up the creepy, wasted Dr. Destiny that most fans thought would appear.

Vandal Savage/Lex Luthor/Joker/Solomon Grundy - as much as these four could probably appear again, it's not necessarily a given. Vandal, Grundy, and Luthor have pretty much completed their character "arcs", albeit prematurely. Luthor, in particular, has also appeared a lot this season. I'm getting a bit tired of Joker, even though Wild Cards looks to be good fun. And not every major nemesis has to make return appearances - Blight from BB was killed off at the end of season 1.

No, Vandal Savage and Lex Luthor are far from complete with their individual character arc. I mean we still have a lot of info that can be explored on Vandal Savage and Lex Luthor just annouced he was interested in politics. If anything it's a given that these two charcters will appear again.

The Joker will probably make a cameo after what happened in "Wild Cards" I think he will be in the hospital for a while. And Solomon Grundy is well dead.

[Eddie G.]

I see returning?
A.M.A.Z.O.
Luther
Savage
Killer Frost
Grodd

I see coming in?
Captain Atom
The Key
Chronos
Cyborg Superman (why the heck not?)
Ra's Al Ghul

[David the Joker]

Lex Luthor- Now that he is running for politics he can stay behind the scenes and attack the league, maybe get another "Injustice Gang" or maybe this has been done too much. The scene of Luthor as president in "A Better World" would be interesting to show how different the League would face this challenge instead of the Lords. If Superman is the supposed leader of the League, then his greatest enemy Lex Luthor isnt too far away.

Dr. Destiny- If John Dee worked with LexCorp in the past, maybe Luthor would be interested to revive in to get Destiny to get more power to control the League, when they are all awake, instead of just sleeping.

Prof. Zoom- This would be a great villian of the Flash to show up. I always liked his costume. Maybe this time Zoom can be the leader of the Secret Society since it would be the reverse of the Flash, being the comical member of the JL. I dont want Zoom to be used as a second-rate villian, he is smart and be a true leader.

Ultra-Humanite- This character was Superman's first recurring foe, he does not get the credit he deserves. He should switch his brain into different bodies and trick the League, I want to see this guy with more of an evil streak, and prove that Superman's first foe will be remembered.

Solomon Grundy- He deffinally should return, but as a different side of Cyrus Gold's personality. This time I thik Grundy should be smart and cunning and less "Hulk" like, but if Bruce Timm and company want a big lackey creature, they know who to pick.

Other villians: Joker and Vandal Savage...could always make a cameo or two. If Batman is in the League he needs to fight someone with not too much extra-power and that's where his opposite of the Joker comes in. Savage is a interesting who could always try to rule the world again...and maybe that has something to do with the Atom to start his crime fighting career.

As for Ra's Al Ghul, if Timm and Company uses him, they should make it a giant episode, one that will change Batman's relationship with the League and will never be the same. Ra's should only be used once, because he's the type of villian, that should come to fight once and give all enough, instead of making him a Joker type of guy.