Royal Flush Gang Explanation?

[Squall]

I thought of an idea that could be used to explain the evolution of the Royal Flush Gang from JL "Wild Cards" to the BB Royal Flush Gang.

What if, in a Season 3 JL episode, we find out that an aristocratic crime family picked up on the Royal Flush Gang motif (after Joker abandoned the original gang), and took a few of the original members from "Wild Cards" (but not all of them!) and reformed the gang. We could have a new King & Queen (the direct ancestors of the BB King & Queen), they could keep a few of the original Royal Flush Gang members (let's say the original King & Queen becomes Jack & Ten, and the original Ten becomes the new Ace). So, what do you think? I love the idea myself.

As for this new Royal Flush Gang episode (minus the Joker), I think Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman would be the perfect JL member combo to appear in that episode.

[DianaGohan]

Sounds like a good gap between the Justice League and Batman Beyond Royal Flush Gang. I doubt it would happen, but it's a good idea at least.

[Cyber E.]

Personally, I don't see something happening in S3, given how soon the modern-age RFG were introduced, but if they did do something along these lines, I would rather the only member they bring from the Joker RFG were Ace. I'd rather see King, Queen, Jack and Ten all being family instead of half-family, half-random kids with powers. Thats just me.

[Shazam!]

Personally, I don't see something happening in S3, given how soon the modern-age RFG were introduced, but if they did do something along these lines, I would rather the only member they bring from the Joker RFG were Ace. I'd rather see King, Queen, Jack and Ten all being family instead of half-family, half-random kids with powers. Thats just me.

Actually, I think that Ace would be the hardest member to track down for a second gang. Unless of course you can find a road to Nowhere...

[Anarky]

we all know Joker will recover from his mental coma
and when he does, he'll take action against anyone biting his schtick.
HE created the RFG. I doubt he's gonna allow someone else to succeed where he failed by stealing a page from his book. It's a matter of criminal pride.

Joker will have to DIE first before the RFG can be resurrected.

For you BB-ROTJ fanatics, perhaps the aristocratic RFG is formed after Joker's death. There is 20 years of seperation between Bruce quitting and Terry stealing the suit. In those 20 years, the King of the Future could have been Jack back when Bruce was still acting as the Bat...though past his prime. Heck, he may have been wearing the same battlesuit for enhanced performance and protection.

timeline

Joker dies......years later the aristocratic RFG debuts...several conflicts between post-JL Batman and RFG ensue....the Batman finally breaks the RFG.....in that time Jack goes off on his own, to marry, raise a family, and resurrect the RFG as their King...meanwhile Batman ages...and eventually quits....20 years later Terry becomes the next Batman...King learns of Batman's presence and takes his brood to Gotham for revenge. this is quite plausible

[Anarky]

Ace is like Melanie (Ten from BB)

while the others embraced their powers and being bad, Ace would rather be left alone to live as normal a life as she can.

Melanie never liked her situation, in fact, she hated The Life and wanted out so badly.

The JL-version of the RFG is probably a one-and-done deal situation. Is there really a need to bring them back? They served their purpose, so it's time to welcome new faces and some old foes from Season 1 (Faust, Morgaine, Mongul)

[Toddman]

timeline

Joker dies......years later the aristocratic RFG debuts...several conflicts between post-JL Batman and RFG ensue....the Batman finally breaks the RFG.....in that time Jack goes off on his own, to marry, raise a family, and resurrect the RFG as their King...meanwhile Batman ages...and eventually quits....20 years later Terry becomes the next Batman...King learns of Batman's presence and takes his brood to Gotham for revenge. this is quite plausible

That's a pretty reasonable explanation of how things could have gone (could still go?) regarding the history of the RFG.

I hadn't thought about it before, but you're right about how protective the Joker can be about his "intellectual property." Just think back to BTAS episodes "Joker's Wild" and "Mad Love."

Up until now, I had been thinking about how Amos Fortune (the founder of the RFG in the JLA comics) might re-activate the animated RFG after discovering Queen in the remains of his destroyed casino from "Wild Cards." He could become the new Ace and hook up w/Queen to propogate the future Gang.

But I like your idea much better.

Toddman

[Crinos]

The BB royal flush gang weared the spade on their uniforms.

The JL royal flush gang were clubs.

Maybe the joker organized back up RFG's, each with a different theme. We only saw the clubs, which means the spades could still be around.

and that also means there there would be hearts and diamonds too.

maybe the diamonds are spellcasters, and the hearts, well... I dont know, any suggestions?

[The Penguin]

The BB royal flush gang weared the spade on their uniforms.

The JL royal flush gang were clubs.

Maybe the joker organized back up RFG's, each with a different theme. We only saw the clubs, which means the spades could still be around.

and that also means there there would be hearts and diamonds too.

maybe the diamonds are spellcasters, and the hearts, well... I dont know, any suggestions?

I like it, I was rather disappointed that the Royal Flush Gang in "Wild Cards" didn't tie into Batman Beyond and this I could get behind. Good eye.

The coat of arms from Dead Man's Hand could imply the gang is part of a group (and maybe the last one left?)

[Anarky]

you'd think the coat of arms would alternate colors (blk/wht, red/blk)
you can barely see the black club w/ the black background

i doubt the Joker has 3 more suits out there waiting for him. That's 15 other perps under Mistah J's employ. And I'd doubt they'd want to work for him now. He blew up the Amos Fortune Casino w/ Queen INSIDE! And King and Ten would've bought it had Flash not gone supersonic and ran the bomb outta Vegas. And he planned to doublecross Ace when he was through w/ her. In Joker's world everyone is expendable...even himself (see "Harelquinade")

[Crinos]

I like it, I was rather disappointed that the Royal Flush Gang in "Wild Cards" didn't tie into Batman Beyond and this I could get behind. Good eye.

The coat of arms from Dead Man's Hand could imply the gang is part of a group (and maybe the last one left?)

Looking at that, maybe diamonds and clubs (the suits with the black background) are the RFG with super powers, and the ones with the white background (spades and hearts) are normal people who use gadgets.

[Simpler Simon]

I can just imagine the creative team passing a weblink to this topic around the office, laughing their heads off as we try and decipher the connection between the gangs. I'm almost certain they made the JL gang inconsistent just to rile us up

That said, comic books tend to resurrect characters/organizations in ways that completely have nothing to do with the versions before them. Maybe every time the Royal Flush Gang is reorganized, the gang chooses a different symbol for their costumes? Going by the shield, the next gang would use Hearts; Batman breaks that gang, and another, unrelated gang appears using the Diamond motif. Finally, the aristocratic family in BB picks up the RFG idea, and uses Spades.