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    B:TAS "The Cat and the Claw, Parts 1 & 2" Talkback (Spoilers)

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    Discuss this classic two-part Batman: The Animated Series episode here!



    Episode #013 - The Cat and the Claw, Part 1
    Original Airdate - September 5th, 1992 - Series Premiere.
    In the midst of Catwoman being attracted to Batman, and Bruce to her alter-ego, Selina Kyle, Catwoman discovers evidence of a military facility inside a mountain on a future resort site. As it turns out, the cartel involved is fronting for an international terrorist group headed by Red Claw, a mysterious female terrorist.

    Episode #016 - The Cat and the Claw, Part 2
    Original Airdate - September 12th, 1992.
    Red Claw and her terrorists put their plans into motion, stealing a virulent strain of plague which they use to hold the city for ransom. Meanwhile Catwoman infiltrates the terrorists' under mountain headquarters, not realizing what she's getting into. When Batman follows her there, they're both captured, trussed up, and left to die as victims of the viral plague.

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    First episode I ever saw. I could tell right away that I was in for a series that was better than all action cartoons before it. It was also the first time I reckognized how 'old style' the technology of Gotham City was, especially the clothing and cars. And it's funny that at the same time all this 'old style' stuff is happening, they're talking about the threat of Bioterrorism form a terrorist group. How modern is that!?!

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    "The Cat and the Claw, Part 1" airs tonight

    Tonight at 12 midnight ET, Boomerang airs the Batman: The Animated Series episode, The Cat and the Claw, Part 1. This is according to the Boomerang TV schedule which we hope is correct. If you do not have Boomerang, you are encouraged to follow along on disc 3 of your Batman: The Animated Series, Vol. 1 DVD set.

    Episode #013 - The Cat and the Claw, Part 1
    Original Airdate - September 5th, 1992 - Series Premiere.

    In the midst of Catwoman being attracted to Batman, and Bruce to her alter-ego, Selina Kyle, Catwoman discovers evidence of a military facility inside a mountain on a future resort site. As it turns out, the cartel involved is fronting for an international terrorist group headed by Red Claw, a mysterious female terrorist.

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    This thread is begging for some talkback

    Anyways, this part is definetly superior to part two. I mean, this is supposed to be the introduction to Catwoman, and they waste it on the Red Claw plot, so Catwoman becomes kinda like the sub-plot in part two. Honestly, if part one got rid of the Red Claw stuff, added more of Batman and Catwoman chasing each other and flirting and stuff, this episode would've been better and no need for a second part.

    It started off good, Catwoman sneaking around and stealing something, running into Batman and then that beautiful rooftop chase. Seriously, the beginning of this episode is the highlight. The animation is great, seeing Batman and Catwoman pull of these amazing tricks, and mini cat fight between her and Batman, and each other's reactions! And I enjoyed seeing Isis follow them around too:anime:

    The rest isn't all bad though. Bruce's infatuation with Selina was nice to see, and Selina's infatuation with Batman. Catwoman doing some recon work in Red Claw's hideout was pretty cool as well, seeing her sneak around and stuff, very cat-like. And the ending where Batman saves her was a nice touch too.

    Other than that, the Red Claw stuff was crap. But, they started out right introducing Catwoman, but after about the first 5 minutes, with the exception to a few more scenes the rest of this episode fails as does part two.

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    Selina Deserved Better!!!!

    "The Cat and The Claw" in it's entirety is a good example of how Timm and Dini's handling of the Catwoman/Selina character, in B:TAS, was more often than not horrendously botched throughout the entire 3 Seasons:

    "The Cat and The Claw" two parter started with a brilliant introduction to the Catwoman character, she stealthily nabbed some jewelry, fought/flirted and played chasey with Batman then kissed him and escaped. Then we got to see a Selina/Bruce mutual attraction get started. But Alas from there on in "The Cat and The Claw" succeeded in dropping the ball, crapping all over itself, and turning up naked to the party, case in point: a lame villian in "The Red Claw" (Who is she supposed to be The Red Skulls sister???) and Catwoman ALLOWING BATMAN TO ARREST HER AND SUBSEQUENTLY DISCOVER HER TRUE IDENTITY WTF!!!, WERE TIMM AND DINI HIGH OR SOMETHING???, CATWOMAN WOULD NEVER DO THAT IT'S JUST ABOUT THE MOST UNCATWOMANLIKE THING I'VE EVER SEEN!!!!!.

    Catwoman's handling in the episodes that followed "TC&TC" was fairly underwhelming, in fact more often than not she was little more than a wide eyed, damsel in distress,

    in "Cat Scratch Fever" she was subdued by a toxin and lay unconcious waiting for Batman to get an antidote,

    in "Tyger Tyger" she was turned into a literal "Catwoman", Dr. Moreau style, and sat in a jungle pen waiting for Batman to do something,

    Her cameo in "Perchance to dream" was kinda fun if only for it's implication that Selina was truly Bruce's dream lover whom he'd marry if things were different,

    "Almost Got'im" was somewhat a turn for the better with Catwoman displaying her deserved toughness and ability as she narrowly saved Batman from being fried crispy, whilst taking out Joker's goons, only to once again end up bound and helpless, on a conveyor belt rolling toward a mincer!!!.

    "Batgirl Returns" was another improvement as Catwoman fought alongside Batgirl and Robin then double crossed the pesky kids and escaped, YAY!, only problem: WHERE WAS BATMAN AT???, LAME!!!.

    "Catwalk", in my mind, was the only truly flawless Catwoman episode in the entire B:TAS series, it had everything a Bat/Cat story should have, plus CATWOMAN ESCAPED, YAY!!!, this was the one time Timm/Dini got Catwoman PERFECTLY RIGHT!!!, which is a shame because the character had so much potential, a soft, sexy visualisation both as Catwoman and as Selina and a sultry, seductive voice actress. The only other thing that annoyed me was the blonde hair, must've bin a "Batman Returns" tie in or something.

    In fact I'll go as far as saying that "The Batman"'s handling of Catwoman/Selina is better than B:TAS's handling, sure the voice isn't as good, but she has managed to elude Batman on every occassion and keep her identity a secret even after meeting Bruce as Selina, AND she has long raven hair, FINALLY!!!.

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    One thing I hated was that Bruce Timm and Team still used the Batman returns designs for Catwoman and Pangy. I never liked Catwoman as a blond, it is just a little nit pick of mine.

    Another small probem I have is it seems hard for any cartoon to make a soley Catwoman episode. Most of the episodes of Batman TAS she is ether a victom or has to share the spot light with someone else. The closest was The Batman's Cat an d the Bat but it turned into a toy ad for the middle part of the episode. Another small nitpick.

    Besides those two little nitpicks I loved this episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creativerealms
    One thing I hated was that Bruce Timm and Team still used the Batman returns designs for Catwoman and Pangy. I never liked Catwoman as a blond, it is just a little nit pick of mine.
    I believe they were forced to. I can't direct you to them, but I recall seeing some B:TAS concept art that was more respectful to the comic roots of both The Penguin and Catwoman.
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    how i wish i had boomerang! i bearily remember anything about this episode, but i do remember selina meeting bruce.

    i agree with JTolliver, the batman's selina kyle is great, i cant wait to see more of her tomorrow . and TNBA selina kyle was . hated the short black hair!! reminded me of my mom's friend who i hate .

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    I wasn't too wild about the Red Claw sub-plot and part two turned it into the main plot. The started with a great introduction to Catwoman and ruined it with the Red Claw stuff. Secondly, Batman and Catwoman teamed up. It was way to early for that, Catwoman should be a villan and on her first appearence, she works with Batman.

    Those problems aside, the episode wasn't all that bad. The fight on top of the train was really cool and an interesting place for a fight. The ending fight scene with all those wonderful explosions was nice to see as well and Red Claw vs. Catwoman was expected as well. However, I thought Catwoman should have faired better.

    Aside from the that, Red Claw just bored me With the plague and trying to kill Selina, it just wasn't that interesting.

    **1/2 (I think I gave it a three on the poll though)
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    Worst deathtrap ever. Seriously. I understand it's come to be accepted fare, having the hero at your mercy only to use an elaborate deathtrap (I've always preferred on-the-fly deathtraps like in The Clock King, myself), but this was sad. Tie up two escape artists, back-to-back, leave their weapons with them, and as the obligatory slow finisher, the very thing you're using to threaten the city? Bleah.

    That said, outside of The Worst Deathtrap Ever, I must agree with the sentiment that this was a weak episode. Two more things of note: First, the big escape sequence... it kind of dragged. I don't know why. It shouldn't have. But it did. And I know this isn't The Batman, but really, can we have a Catwoman-Red Claw fight that doesn't consist entirely of Red Claw kicking her?

    The finale did have some semblance of a grand... thing... oh, who am I kidding. Not good. Waste of not one but two perfectly good episodes.

    2.5/5
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    (Well, it was worth a go.)

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    I skipped reviewing this two-part episode a while back, as the talkback link was broken for some reason, but now that its working again, I guess it's time to comment.

    Overall, I thought this was a decent two-parter, but it's nowhere near as good as some of the other ones in the series. The portrayal of Catwoman was okay, I guess, but I personally didn't find her all that interesting. Nevertheless, I think my biggest gripe with the episode was how Batman treated her at the end - in some ways, she was as much of a hero as he was, and yet he decides to send her off to jail just like all the scum he generally takes out. I don't really buy the little apology he gives to her either - he says she's too special to just hand over like a common criminal, and then handcuffs her behind her back all the same. I suppose I've always prefered Batman to let her off the hook a bit more, knowing she's not a dangerous villian like the ones he's supposed to be stopping to avenge his parents.

    I guess it's just a different way of looking at the Caped Crusader. Beyond that, the episode had some decent action sequences, but some of the plot devices were a bit contrived. Besides the laughably bad death trap the previous poster mentioned, the army train and its guards were just taken out way too easily. There were some nice details, like how Red Claw is ultimately taken out by a mountain lion, but overall the whole thing just felt a bit lackluster. It has nothing on Two-Face or even Feet of Clay, that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CyclonatorZ View Post
    Nevertheless, I think my biggest gripe with the episode was how Batman treated her at the end - in some ways, she was as much of a hero as he was, and yet he decides to send her off to jail just like all the scum he generally takes out. I don't really buy the little apology he gives to her either - he says she's too special to just hand over like a common criminal, and then handcuffs her behind her back all the same. I suppose I've always prefered Batman to let her off the hook a bit more, knowing she's not a dangerous villian like the ones he's supposed to be stopping to avenge his parents.
    I don't recall him being that specific with his promise. In fact I remember him just saying all criminals, after all the guy who killed his parents wasn't exactly a dangerous villain either.

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    This might seem a little random, but a few days back I discovered that there were official streams of Batman: The Animated Series up on the KidsWB website. I haven't seen much of the series since it aired back in the nineties, so I don't remember much of it. I sat down for this episode because I was reminded that Catwoman was voiced by one of the recent General Hospital characters' actress, Adrienne Barbeau. Anyhow, away I went and sat through the episode.

    I have to admit, it was pretty hard. Batman: The Animated Series--which is so fondly remember for being a mature and dark depiction of the character--has some of the most pointless and hammy dialogue I've seen in a Batman product. I don't know what the deal was behind-the-scenes at the time, but the opening acting could have easily been better simply by removing Batman and Catwoman's one liners and letting the animation tell the story.

    Still, it was nice seeing Catwoman again. The only real portrayal that sticks out in my mind is the psychotic version from Batman Returns. I was pleased to see she did in fact have a sense of morality to her. Makes the romantic in me all the more a BatCat shipper.
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    I think what stands out to me most, besides how lame Red Claw was, is how the animation goes from awesome in part 1 to mediocre in part 2.

    As for dialogue, well, even great shows sometimes have a few clunkers.

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