"Young Justice (Animated Series)" News & Discussion Thread, Part 7 (Spoilers)

[graysongirl]

I concur, this seems even beyond The Question-like theorising. Why again, don't you trust them? They do want to keep them close, yes, but how is this some sort of sinister control rather than and extension of the parenting/mentor roles they fulfill (or in the case of Clark, are supposed to fulfill)? Bruce has already had a conversation with Superman about this, and not in a 'we should make the boy-clone feel accepted, play your part', but a serious, one to one chat about the importance of being the person Superboy looks up to.

I just don't see how it means that the Justice League are somehow plotting something. They are the heroes, after all.

Agreed. After all, if the League is all brainwashed someone was bound to have noticed by now. Robin's been trained by the worlds greatest detective. And if he didn't pick up any 'stranger danger vibes' from bruce, Alfred would have. If they were clones, that'd mean the Light knows everyones secret I.D.s. Which would be a case of bada**ness. Though improbable, since they wouldve acted on it by now. And seeing superboy, they havent really mastered cloning....

As said before, we've seen Supes and Batsy interact (though the superman issues i'm not gonna touch with a ten foot pole) and Canary and Reddy with the team. They seemed fine to me.

We can't assume that there's some crazy conspiracy going on behind the scenes becuase there's a new take on a character. This IS a NEW SHOW with NEW interpretations. For all we know, this IS normal behavior on earth 16.

[Frellich]

Just looked up Bialya on the wikipedia. Apparently its a country beside Iran and Saudi Arabi that is ruled by Queen Bee.
On imbd it says that someone will be playing Queen Bee in young justice.
I called it! Queen Bee will be this weeks villian.

[RoryWilliams]

Just looked up Bialya on the wikipedia. Apparently its a country beside Iran and Saudi Arabi that is ruled by Queen Bee.
On imbd it says that someone will be playing Queen Bee in young justice.
I called it! Queen Bee will be this weeks villian.

It depends on which version of Queen Bee they're using, but yeah, sounds like it.

[AlgeaX]

Just looked up Bialya on the wikipedia. Apparently its a country beside Iran and Saudi Arabi that is ruled by Queen Bee.
On imbd it says that someone will be playing Queen Bee in young justice.
I called it! Queen Bee will be this weeks villian.

Funny thing I just realised, "Bialya" is an almost perfect anagram of Libya. Kinda ironic considering recent world events.

[graysongirl]

sorry 'bout the lack of link, but according to Greg, we're gonna meet aqualad's mom in the show, and find out about artemis's becoming GA's sidekick in issue seven of the comic.

Ask Greg Reply

[Yojimbo]

sorry 'bout the lack of link, but according to Greg, we're gonna meet aqualad's mom in the show, and find out about artemis's becoming GA's sidekick in issue seven of the comic.

Ask Greg Reply

That's interesting, with Issue 7 being the first one Hopps and Weisman wrote since Issue 0.

Plus there's this reply, too:

And Wonder Woman's role will expand a bit as the series continues. But keep in mind, our focus is on the teens -- and how they interact with the adults. Not on the adults and how they interact with each other.

Link: Ask Greg Reply

EDIT: So ah, anyone else thought that was a big honkin' hint about Wonder Girl showing up in late season 1/early season 2?

[Casey Mack]

Agreed. After all, if the League is all brainwashed someone was bound to have noticed by now. Robin's been trained by the worlds greatest detective. And if he didn't pick up any 'stranger danger vibes' from bruce, Alfred would have. If they were clones, that'd mean the Light knows everyones secret I.D.s. Which would be a case of bada**ness. Though improbable, since they wouldve acted on it by now. And seeing superboy, they havent really mastered cloning....

As said before, we've seen Supes and Batsy interact (though the superman issues i'm not gonna touch with a ten foot pole) and Canary and Reddy with the team. They seemed fine to me.

We can't assume that there's some crazy conspiracy going on behind the scenes becuase there's a new take on a character. This IS a NEW SHOW with NEW interpretations. For all we know, this IS normal behavior on earth 16.

I agree no conspiracy, the only character on the show that rubs me the wrong way is superman, for obvious reasons.

[Robert McSantos]

Superman is morally correct in the way he's handling Superboy.

Superboy was brainwashed by the Light to believe he will be Superman's replacement. If Superman allows him to get too close, it will only reinforce that brainwashing. It wouldn't be healthy for either of them.

Plus, I see a lot of people saying that Superman is "his hero" and "the person he looks up to", but do we actually know if that is why Superboy keeps trying to get close to Superman? Again, Superboy was programmed like a machine. His entire worldview comes from that. From his perspective, Superman may just be the obsolete model that's worth learning from but is ultimately disposable.

Or it could be something even more sinister. Superboy was created by villains, and Superman knows that. This whole "you're the only one who can teach me" shtick could all be just an act. What better way to make the heroes drop their guard? It's certainly made the viewers at home drop theirs. Morally correct does not mean trusting everyone all the time, no matter how suspicious they are. Caution is not evil.

I'd also like to remind everyone that the fact that Superboy looks like a teenager is entirely arbitrary. It's only a coincidence that the sidekicks found him while his physical body was in that stage of it's development. Intellectually, he has more knowledge than an average adult. Emotionally, he's still an infant since he has no life experience. If the sidekicks had found and released him a few weeks later, as a fully grown man, I bet a lot fewer people would be seeing him as a victim (and also Miss Martian wouldn't hit on him as much).

[Bobbywoodhogan]

One thing I do love about this show is when people are foreign they speak in their language and we get subtitles. I always hated it when I used to watch animation and you'd get say two Spanish people talking to each other in English it just makes more sense.

[graysongirl]

One thing I do love about this show is when people are foreign they speak in their language and we get subtitles. I always hated it when I used to watch animation and you'd get say two Spanish people talking to each other in English it just makes more sense.

thank you, realism!

(though i did like that in atlantis we conveniently understand them as soon as that girl casted a spell ) "Did it work?" lolz

[Bobbywoodhogan]

Superman is morally correct in the way he's handling Superboy.

Superboy was brainwashed by the Light to believe he will be Superman's replacement. If Superman allows him to get too close, it will only reinforce that brainwashing. It wouldn't be healthy for either of them.

Plus, I see a lot of people saying that Superman is "his hero" and "the person he looks up to", but do we actually know if that is why Superboy keeps trying to get close to Superman? Again, Superboy was programmed like a machine. His entire worldview comes from that. From his perspective, Superman may just be the obsolete model that's worth learning from but is ultimately disposable.

Or it could be something even more sinister. Superboy was created by villains, and Superman knows that. This whole "you're the only one who can teach me" shtick could all be just an act. What better way to make the heroes drop their guard? It's certainly made the viewers at home drop theirs. Morally correct does not mean trusting everyone all the time, no matter how suspicious they are. Caution is not evil.

I'd also like to remind everyone that the fact that Superboy looks like a teenager is entirely arbitrary. It's only a coincidence that the sidekicks found him while his physical body was in that stage of it's development. Intellectually, he has more knowledge than an average adult. Emotionally, he's still an infant since he has no life experience. If the sidekicks had found and released him a few weeks later, as a fully grown man, I bet a lot fewer people would be seeing him as a victim (and also Miss Martian wouldn't hit on him as much).

I would be very disapointed if Superboy turned out to be a villain. I wouldnt mind if he was somehow programmed by the Light in the way he was in the comics when he nearly killed the Teen Titans. Also it would be too obvious for Superboy to be a villain in my opinion.

[RoryWilliams]

Wow. Look at the whinning there. The anon does realize that if Wonder Girl appears, it'll likely be Donna anyway, right?

[Robert McSantos]

I would be very disapointed if Superboy turned out to be a villain. I wouldnt mind if he was somehow programmed by the Light in the way he was in the comics when he nearly killed the Teen Titans. Also it would be too obvious for Superboy to be a villain in my opinion.

I doubt he will be (unless, as you've said, it's a subliminal thing like in the comics). But still, the fact that he could be used against them at any moment, willingly or not, is reason enough to not encourage his clingy behavior.

[DCU Bat]

Superman is morally correct in the way he's handling Superboy.

Superboy was brainwashed by the Light to believe he will be Superman's replacement. If Superman allows him to get too close, it will only reinforce that brainwashing. It wouldn't be healthy for either of them.

Plus, I see a lot of people saying that Superman is "his hero" and "the person he looks up to", but do we actually know if that is why Superboy keeps trying to get close to Superman? Again, Superboy was programmed like a machine. His entire worldview comes from that. From his perspective, Superman may just be the obsolete model that's worth learning from but is ultimately disposable.

Or it could be something even more sinister. Superboy was created by villains, and Superman knows that. This whole "you're the only one who can teach me" shtick could all be just an act. What better way to make the heroes drop their guard? It's certainly made the viewers at home drop theirs. Morally correct does not mean trusting everyone all the time, no matter how suspicious they are. Caution is not evil.

I'd also like to remind everyone that the fact that Superboy looks like a teenager is entirely arbitrary. It's only a coincidence that the sidekicks found him while his physical body was in that stage of it's development. Intellectually, he has more knowledge than an average adult. Emotionally, he's still an infant since he has no life experience. If the sidekicks had found and released him a few weeks later, as a fully grown man, I bet a lot fewer people would be seeing him as a victim (and also Miss Martian wouldn't hit on him as much).

I agree with what your saying and I also think Superman's currently confused about the circumstances of Superboy's arrival and thinks the best course of action is to stay away and leave him to Batman and Canary for guidance.

The only problem is this kinda makes him look even more hypocritical. Hasn't he ever considered the possible risks the Kents took by taking in some baby that came from outerspace? It's even worse when you juxtapose this with S/B: Apocalypse where Superman literally welcomes a teenage kryptonian girl who only claims she's his cousin with open arms while every other hero remained suspicious.

But this only the beginning of the series so I'm sure the two will warm up to eachother eventually.

[GregX]

I agree no conspiracy, the only character on the show that rubs me the wrong way is superman, for obvious reasons.

Good timing, here's a response from Greg to someone who was complaining about Superman.

Anonymous writes...

Why did Superman shun Superboy? Superman's greatest power is supposed to be his empathy. Why didn't he embrace Superboy?

That scene was severely out of character for Superman and contradicts over seventy years of Superman stories.

Greg responds...

"Shun" is not the word I'd use. It's too active a verb to describe what happened. But as I've said to others who already asked the same basic question, I think you're viewing what happened in terms too black and white. I do NOT think that Superman is behaving out of character. He's been violated and is having problems dealing with it, getting his head around it. He's found a rationale in his head to justify his behavior toward Superboy, that for now at least, is working for him. I'm not going to defend his actions, nor will I be unsympathetic to them. It is, by design, a complex problem.

And no real human being has perfect empathy. And Superman is nothing if he's not thoroughly human.

In any case, I doubt I'm going to convince you, so we'll just have to agree to disagree for now. Perhaps, if you stay tuned and see how this thread plays out, you'll appreciate it more. Or perhaps not.

http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/....php?qid=13111

As usual, I agree. A Superman who is better than Jesus is always boring.

[Rick Jones]

That's interesting, with Issue 7 being the first one Hopps and Weisman wrote since Issue 0.

Isn't Issue 7 about five months from now ? That will be a long wait.

[Bat-Fan Beyond]

Good timing, here's a response from Greg to someone who was complaining about Superman.



http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/....php?qid=13111

As usual, I agree. A Superman who is better than Jesus is always boring.

What Weisman said about Superman feeling violated and having problems dealing with it is exactly what I said when everyone else first started whining about Superman's actions towards Superboy.

I suspect we're in for a great character arc wiith all this, so people should just sit back and wait to see what happens. I'm sure it will all make understandable sense at some point.

[graysongirl]

Good timing, here's a response from Greg to someone who was complaining about Superman.



http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/....php?qid=13111

As usual, I agree. A Superman who is better than Jesus is always boring.

agreed! And honestly, if Supes welcomed SB with welcome arms, they'd be complaining that it's naiieve of him to welcome him so fast. It's a catch twenty two, but I like this solution better. I prefer superman to be of the non-mary-sue variety

[AlgeaX]

Personally, I think Supes is taking the whole business a lot better then I would. I know if I met a sixteen year old clone of myself, my first instinct would probably be to reach for the nearest torch and pitch fork.

[Zah_65]

Good timing, here's a response from Greg to someone who was complaining about Superman.



http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/....php?qid=13111

As usual, I agree. A Superman who is better than Jesus is always boring.

EXACTLY. Thank you!

Everyone is allowed to make mistakes. And so is Superman. What's important is that we learn from it and try to be better next time. Right now he's just having a hard time dealing with it. Give him a chance, and some time, and patience please. He'll come around for sure. He is Superman after all. Besides, its' not like he's jeopardizing the world's safety because of his daddy issues.