The Official "Wonder Woman" Animated Feature News & Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[DisneyBoy]

As you found out, Fausta the Nazi WW wasn't the Baronness. von Gunther showed up in the episode before, which I don't remember being anywhere near as good.

I read a scanned version of the first Baronness comic online, and was suprised to find her story very, very similar to that of Fausta, as presenting in the Carter episode I'd seen. What are the differences, and which of the two are more popular in the eyes of long-time fans, Ed?

Other writers have, I think, though not always as well. There was an interesting coup d'etat near the end of Greg Rucka's run (when he finally got around to doing it) that pulled some fancy footwork in the WW-Ares relationship. It could have led to something interesting, at least until it was derailed by the Infinite Crisis nonsense.

I'll have to give that a look then (I keep saying that, and yet never do). Why doesn't DC ever just let a writer tell their story independantly of the company-wide events? Why couldn't the original Wonder Woman book have been free from tie-ins with the Justice League prior to Perez wanting to introduce them? Why couldn't this new Wonder Woman book still come out with monthly issues, while Rucka prints a graphic novel completing his story as was originally planned? I hate this! Nothing is ever seen through in a satisfying way. If DC so values it's characters, why doesn't it just have two tiers of books - the independant monthly titles, and the DC tie-in titles?

Of the DC heroes, WW seems like she might have the most to say about overcoming unreasoning hatred and seemingly irreconcilable enemies. That would also make her weak in popular views today, because she'd suggest it might be a good idea to talk to people instead of kicking them repeatedly.

I'm a little sleepy, so I had to reread that twice or three times. You're being sarcastic right? Are we really more about violence as a solution now than we were twenty years ago? I feel like if they just have Wonder Woman address the dire need for us to problem-solve in a non-violent way and put aside questions of whether or not it's a timely issue, they'll see that it still is.

[Ed Liu]

As you found out, Fausta the Nazi WW wasn't the Baronness. von Gunther showed up in the episode before, which I don't remember being anywhere near as good.

I read a scanned version of the first Baronness comic online, and was suprised to find her story very, very similar to that of Fausta, as presenting in the Carter episode I'd seen. What are the differences, and which of the two are more popular in the eyes of long-time fans, Ed?

I can't really say, partially because I haven't read the Marston-era comics exhaustively myself (after a point I'm going on second-hand information), and partially because it seems to me that fans of the TV show are not necessarily fans (or even readers) of the comics; the same is less true if you change directions, though I think it's still accurate. I don't think WW is unique in that regard, since I'd say the same about Spider-Man or Batman.

The good news (he said, trying to veer back on-topic) is that this means I don't think the DTV will have many real obstacles to overcome, at least in theory, to pull in fans of both the comic books and the TV show. That makes at least the initial sale easier, at least.

Nothing is ever seen through in a satisfying way. If DC so values it's characters, why doesn't it just have two tiers of books - the independant monthly titles, and the DC tie-in titles?

The most I can offer in explanation is that DC is very conscious of the value of their franchise icons, and that if they are acting in a particular way, it's because they believe that the path of action they are taking are actually in the best interests of the characters and their long-term longevity. This means that creator wishes must be often be subsumed for other fundamentally non-creative reasons, and no creator working today will (or should) take an assignment on a major DC or Marvel book without knowing that ahead of time. Dwayne McDuffie, b.t., and others working on the shows have said so on many occasions, and we've seen it at work more than a few times.

Frustrating, I know, but fundamentally they're not our toys or any individual creators' toys, and that really changes the rules quite a bit from the norm. This is why the Siegel/Shuster Superman copyright thing takes so long to understand. However, listening to them at cons and chatting with them when I can reveals that all these guys are still fans as well as businessmen. Considering how many ways fans can disagree on the Internet, it really shouldn't be surprising that different people can have diametrically opposite story paths in mind, while both being completely convinced that theirs is the best way.

I'm a little sleepy, so I had to reread that twice or three times. You're being sarcastic right?

Yes, I'm being sarcastic, although not as much as I'd like to be. WW is the diplomat of DC's "big three," and the fact is that diplomats have not been getting much positive press of late. Part of this is due to their own ineffectualness and part of this is due to entrenched interests believing that they gain more from war than from peace, but whatever mix you choose for assigning blame, I believe the end result is more people today who believe that they can gain more through force and coercion than through dialog and compromise. I do think you need both. Blending them right is the hard part.

In a sense, that mix of honeyed words and force is also why WW is both warrior and diplomat, and IMO should be the core of her character and why she is separate from Superman and Batman. If the DTV can manage to achieve that (something I don't think JLU managed until very late in the season and New Frontier just didn't have time to develop properly), it'll already be ahead of the game as far as I'm concerned.

-- Ed

[DisneyBoy]

Sorry for veering a little off-topic. You're completely right, though, about fans of these heroes as seen in major media (movies, tv) often never having read the books themselves. I've watched all the Spider-Man movies, had some pretty serious opinions about them, and yet have read no more than...two (?) Spider-Man comics in my lifetime.

So I'm going to hope that you're right, and that this new DTV will open the door wide to fans both casual and committed.

In a sense, that mix of honeyed words and force is also why WW is both warrior and diplomat, and IMO should be the core of her character and why she is separate from Superman and Batman. If the DTV can manage to achieve that (something I don't think JLU managed until very late in the season and New Frontier just didn't have time to develop properly), it'll already be ahead of the game as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not sure I'd agree with her words being honeyed, simply because if that's how they're coming off, then the writer isn't making Wonder Woman genuine and sincere. Near the end of Perez's run on the book, when Diana was being played with by Dr Psycho and Circe and framed for the Amazonian attacks all around town, she was constantly compromising and talking things through, using violence as only an absolute last resort. That's how I feel she should be at all times, but I think that flies in the face of the feminist angle constantly at work in her depictions throughout the years. Why should a woman have to talk things through, when she's more than capable of bashing someone's head in like a man? JL certainly went in that direction. If I ever seen another DC male hero holding Diana back from a fight or telling her to watch her temper, it will be too soon.

Making Diana a diplomat in the last season was a nice nod, but as I've said before, it just took them too long to pull a 180. It's kinda like saying Batman protects Gotham City 200 issues into his comic, rather than in the first.

[rmarti3926]

Are there any new pics and info for the upcoming DVD movie "Wonder Woman"?

[Yojimbo]

Are there any new pics and info for the upcoming DVD movie "Wonder Woman"?

All there is as follows:

On the mystical island of Themyscira, a proud and fierce warrior race of Amazons have raised a daughter of untold beauty, grace and strength-Princess Diana. When an Army fighter pilot, Steve Trevor, crash-lands on the island, the rebellious and headstrong Diana defies Amazonian law by accompanying Trevor back to civilization. Meanwhile, Ares [the god of War] has escaped his imprisonment at the hands of the Amazonians and has decided to exact his revenge using the mystical "Hand of Rage," an ancient artifact with the power to raise armies from the dead and infuse them with a thirst for blood. Ares intends to start a world war that will not only last centuries - but wipe out every living being on the planet, starting with the Amazons! It is up to Princess Diana to save her people and the world, by using her gifts and becoming the ultimate Wonder Woman!


WONDER WOMAN stars in this next installment of the DC UNIVERSE series of original animated movies!


Target: Males 18+, women 18+ and girls 9-17


Proposed rating: PG-13


DVD Street Date: Q4 2008 / Q1 2009

Link: http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t...matedMovie.jpg

2) January 14, 2008

Keri Russell cast as voice of WW.
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-en...sell/800030871

3) February 5, 2008

Nathan Fillion cast as voice of Steve Trevor.

4) March 26, 2008

Lauren Montgomery will direct the movie.
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/ne...ullnews&id=104

[Nemesis]

Anyone know of any sketches, screenshots , or anything out from the WW animated movie. I know I read somewhere there would be a preview on the Batman Anime, so I would assume something is out there. anyone? Bueller? anyone?

[DisneyBoy]

I would hope I would be the first to know.

[wws1fan]

All there is as follows:



Link: http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t...matedMovie.jpg

2) January 14, 2008

Keri Russell cast as voice of WW.
http://community.tvguide.com/blog-en...sell/800030871

3) February 5, 2008

Nathan Fillion cast as voice of Steve Trevor.

4) March 26, 2008

Lauren Montgomery will direct the movie.
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/ne...ullnews&id=104

I LOVE that people still link to my Wonder Woman animated movie page on photobucket. Yup, that's me wws1fan. I got this promo packet which included New Frontier, Batman AND Wonder Woman. People thought I was making it up and that I made this on my computer. I was happy as a pig in [crap].. when it was officially announced that a WW animated movie was coming!!! Does anybody have any screen shots or anything yet? It's going to be out in July...you'd think something is bound to get out there before then!

Edit by Bird Boy: Watch the language.

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Does anybody have any screen shots or anything yet? It's going to be out in July...you'd think something is bound to get out there before then!

Um... no it's not - you might be confusing it with Batman: Gotham Knight!!

It's supposed to be out the 4th Q '08 or the 1st Q '09 - Personally I would say the latter.



And... i think we will get are first substantial piece of information on the movie once the dvd for Batman gotham knight comes out.

[DisneyBoy]

Agreed. Although I assume something might leak prior to the actual retail date for Gotham Knight, since there will surely be reviews done on the discs...

[wws1fan]

No No!! The preview for the Wonder Woman DVD will be on the Batman DVD!! That's why I was asking if anyone has seen anything yet. There needs to be screen shots or pictures somewhere if there is a preview on the July released Batman DVD. Right?

I'm going to start searching!!!

[DisneyBoy]

I'm sure the moment anything leaks, it will be everywhere, so there's no need to search. It'll come to us.

[TheGreenSparrow]

Uh... Hm. I was under the impression that this film was stalled.

Can anyone shed some light on the subject?

[Young Justice]

Uh... Hm. I was under the impression that this film was stalled.

Can anyone shed some light on the subject?

The link you provided talks about the live action movie about Wonder Woman. This thread is about an animated movie about Wonder Woman. I think the animated movie is being in full production right now.

[TheGreenSparrow]

The link you provided talks about the live action movie about Wonder Woman. This thread is about an animated movie about Wonder Woman. I think the animated movie is being in full production right now.

Ah, my mistake. I thought the Joel Silver-produced film WAS the animated one.

I let my ignorance garner the best of me. My apologies.

[LTFan]

I really can't wait for this one. I hope they give WW the attention that I think she deserves. I love what they did for her in Justice League, JLU and The New Frontier. But that's always been the problem with her. Everyone knows how to write her in an ensemble, but not in the lead. I hope she get better treatment in this movie than she's gotten in a long time elsewhere.

[Yojimbo]

No No!! The preview for the Wonder Woman DVD will be on the Batman DVD!! That's why I was asking if anyone has seen anything yet. There needs to be screen shots or pictures somewhere if there is a preview on the July released Batman DVD. Right?

I'm going to start searching!!!

I suspect they might preview it or show it at Comic Con (July 24-26).

[Wolf Boy2]

I'm a little sleepy, so I had to reread that twice or three times. You're being sarcastic right? Are we really more about violence as a solution now than we were twenty years ago? I feel like if they just have Wonder Woman address the dire need for us to problem-solve in a non-violent way and put aside questions of whether or not it's a timely issue, they'll see that it still is.

That might apply to the George Perez version, but if it's DCAU or New Frontier Diana, she'd be barking orders like a drill sergeant and passing out weapons. The only critique Diana would have for Bush is that he didn't behead Saddam with a sword.

[wws1fan]

I suspect they might preview it or show it at Comic Con (July 24-26).

Here's to hopin'!!! I thought they screened it already at a Con but maybe not. Just a thought though...why would they screen it AFTER it's released? It comes out July 8. Maybe they did screen it for an audience and just didn't show any Wonder Woman preview?? I hope it's far enough along in production thay they don't just show sketches on the DVD! That wouldn't be so great! I want some actual animation sequences! Actually, I'll take what I can get! LOL

[SaBaWoJuLe]

It's just something they do. And yes, they did show a preview to New Frontier in the premiere to Superman Doomsday, and the same for the preview to Gotham Knight in the New Frontier premiere. I don't know if this was the same for the New Frontier, but there was two previews to Gotham Knight that they showed. I don't know if that's the same, or if we're just going to get one preview for Wonder Woman, but either way the preview will be online either before (leaked) or after Gotham Knight's release.