Wonder Woman TAS

[Megandawonder]

Why can't they ever create a Wonder Woman animated series as they had created for the other two males (from the "supposed" big three) and create a separate storyline for the Amazonian power house.

Man, I can't wait for the new movie to come out in 2009.

[Harley_Quinn]

Wouldn't be to set on that 09' date for WW live action movie. As far as I know, nothing solid has been planned, a few scripts have been purchased but no director or actors are signed at this point


PS

I've always wanted to see a WW animated series

[BigFatHairyDeal]

There was a DC press release for a WW DTV. I'll see if I can find the scan online that details some of the info. There's not a lot of info on this, though.

Not to get into a fanboy/girl war, but Superman and Batman are easily DC and Warner Bros. two biggest money makers. Let's not act surprised why they got shows.

EDIT: Here's a scan a fan put up. I found this at the DC Boards. It was grabbed from a press release at a convention, I think.

[Megandawonder]

Wouldn't be to set on that 09' date for WW live action movie. As far as I know, nothing solid has been planned, a few scripts have been purchased but no director or actors are signed at this point


PS

I've always wanted to see a WW animated series

Its in the works...

It will happen some day...

Besides they had a very successful show in the 70s about Wonder Woman played by the honorable (still beautiful) Lynda Carter who did a magnificent job playing the character so well..

I personally wish I could be one of the girls vying for that particular position in the movie...

Supergirl flopped but Wonder Woman didn't...

There was a DC press release for a WW DTV. I'll see if I can find the scan online that details some of the info. There's not a lot of info on this, though.

Not to get into a fanboy/girl war, but Superman and Batman are easily DC and Warner Bros. two biggest money makers. Let's not act surprised why they got showed.

I know... ::rolls eyes::

Because they're men..

Plus all the macho...

Well lets not even go there right now...

[Spider-Man]

I know... ::rolls eyes::

Because they're men..

Plus all the macho...

Well lets not even go right there right now...

Must you do this in every thread? It's no warranted and is certainly not called for. Please stop doing this. You're ruining the enjoyment of this forum.

As for the Wonder Woman animated series, I'd like to see one myself. I think she could easily handle her own show. I remember she was supposed to have one in the early 1990s (something like Wonder Woman and the Star Riders right?) but they ended up not going with the show.

[The Guitar Slayer]

You forget that the main audience of comic books and the like are still male. I'm a female myself, but it's a true statement; there are more girls boys that dig Bats and Supes versus girls and guys that dig Wondy. It's a marketing thing. Go with your moneymakers, and please them as much and as often as you can.

The difficulty in writing for a female hero is in the fact that we want her to be as tough as the boys, but still a woman; we don't want Conan the Barbarian with falsies. We want it to be a realistic view of a female hero. I've written scripts with female protagonists, and it's so hard not to make them into men in skirts at time. Or, for that matter, a being that is girly by virtue that she is crippled by her emotions. It's a delicate balance, and it can't be nailed by all - the difficulties the WW comic line has had are evidence of that. They've rebooted her what, three or four times now? And they still can't get her right. She's either too ruthless (out-manning the men) or too prissy (being "the girl").

Another case in point: World of Warcraft makes bulky ugly male models and very cute and pretty female models -- not because they hate men, but because the guys that play it a) wish to be that strapping and muscle-bound, and being "handsome" isn't on their list; b) guys who roll women characters like something to look at. It's also reflected in how the armor is put on the woman characters. It's not necessarily sexist; it's playing toward the majority of their user base -- i.e., men.

If you don't like something you see, speak up. But don't accuse others of being he-man woman haters. We're not. Not even us girls. It's capitalism at its finest.

[Megandawonder]

Must you do this in every thread? It's no warranted and is certainly not called for. Please stop doing this. You're ruining the enjoyment of this forum.

As for the Wonder Woman animated series, I'd like to see one myself. I think she could easily handle her own show. I remember she was supposed to have one in the early 1990s (something like Wonder Woman and the Star Riders right?) but they ended up not going with the show.

I'm not ruining any thing.. And don't you think you're ruining something for me too?

I can't even get to watch a Wonder Woman TAS show because all of the fan base supposedly are mostly men and they love to idiolize Batman and Superman so much, what about the girls who love to idolize Wonder Woman so much because she IS Batman's and Superman's equal. Whether anyone would like to discredit that fact as well.

If you don't like my posts, why do you consistently report me to the moderators instead of just ignoring me? Its basically my point of view and basically my thread, whether they choose to delete that or not.

And as for this: As for the Wonder Woman animated series, I'd like to see one myself. I think she could easily handle her own show. I remember she was supposed to have one in the early 1990s (something like Wonder Woman and the Star Riders right?) but they ended up not going with the show.

I wonder why?

(This is a forum, everybody is supposed to have a point of view, not just one person, or many.)

[The Guitar Slayer]

To be frank, as a girl, I like Batsy better than Wondy or Supes. Granted, I have always endorsed the anti-hero in films and animation. As a woman, WW doesn't appeal to me at all in terms of what she stands for... partially because her writers don't know what she is either. As I mentioned before, it's hard, even as a woman, to write a heroine.

[Megandawonder]

You forget that the main audience of comic books and the like are still male. I'm a female myself, but it's a true statement; there are more girls boys that dig Bats and Supes versus girls and guys that dig Wondy. It's a marketing thing. Go with your moneymakers, and please them as much and as often as you can.

The difficulty in writing for a female hero is in the fact that we want her to be as tough as the boys, but still a woman; we don't want Conan the Barbarian with falsies. We want it to be a realistic view of a female hero. I've written scripts with female protagonists, and it's so hard not to make them into men in skirts at time. Or, for that matter, a being that is girly by virtue that she is crippled by her emotions. It's a delicate balance, and it can't be nailed by all - the difficulties the WW comic line has had are evidence of that. They've rebooted her what, three or four times now? And they still can't get her right. She's either too ruthless (out-manning the men) or too prissy (being "the girl").

Another case in point: World of Warcraft makes bulky ugly male models and very cute and pretty female models -- not because they hate men, but because the guys that play it a) wish to be that strapping and muscle-bound, and being "handsome" isn't on their list; b) guys who roll women characters like something to look at. It's also reflected in how the armor is put on the woman characters. It's not necessarily sexist; it's playing toward the majority of their user base -- i.e., men.

If you don't like something you see, speak up. But don't accuse others of being he-man woman haters. We're not. Not even us girls. It's capitalism at its finest.

Thats based off YOUR perception of a woman, or a female hero or a person.

My perception of a woman is: a person who can just as well kick as many asses, punch as many people in their faces (as I do whenever that time might arise or whatever) in society...

There is no such thing as traditional roles for men and women in today's society. Women just do what they want to do, and so do men.

"..."

[Batman]

There was a DC press release for a WW DTV. I'll see if I can find the scan online that details some of the info. There's not a lot of info on this, though.

Not to get into a fanboy/girl war, but Superman and Batman are easily DC and Warner Bros. two biggest money makers. Let's not act surprised why they got shows.

EDIT: Here's a scan a fan put up. I found this at the DC Boards. It was grabbed from a press release at a convention, I think.

As for A Wonder Woman series, I don't think it would go very far without THE DARK KNIGHT & THE MAN OF STEEL.

Bats & Sups are the core of DC Comics (Yes WW is apart of The Big Three Line-up) But she isn't nearly as popular as BATMAN & SUPERMAN are .

Althought if Timm & his crew decided to do an animated series , It might work .

[Megandawonder]

To be frank, as a girl, I like Batsy better than Wondy or Supes. Granted, I have always endorsed the anti-hero in films and animation. As a woman, WW doesn't appeal to me at all in terms of what she stands for... partially because her writers don't know what she is either. As I mentioned before, it's hard, even as a woman, to write a heroine.

Its not hard to write a woman as a Super Heroine. Whats so hard to write a woman as powerful, capable, intelligent, and can completely kick a man's ass if they wanted to, instead of them being mousy and submissive, and forever being under some man's "protective" wings...

Oh please...

::rolls eyes::

[Stu]

Meganwonder,

People have different opinions than you. You don't like it. We get it. This, however, is no excuse to flamebait. Anymore of it and you will be removed from the boards.

As for a Wonder Woman cartoon... I can think of at least a dozen more interesting DC characters who I'd rather see recieve thier own show. I'm not even remotely excited about this Wonder Woman DTV... I've always found her to pretty dull. I did say that about Doctor Strange too, and his DTV greatly impressed me, so we'll see.

[Megandawonder]

Althought if Timm & his crew decided to do an animated series , It might work .

True...

They are very capable writers of writing basically anything, and they are also men, considering they wrote Wonder Woman so well in the series...

[Silverstar]

We're not talking about women in general here, we're talking about Wonder Woman specifically. Let's not turn this into yet another debate about the sexes, please.

Anyway, as for the prospect of a WW animated series: I personally would like to see one, but one of the biggest disadvantages to such an idea is the fact that Wondy has no rogues' gallery to speak of. Batman has nemeses like Joker, Penguin, Ra's Al Ghul and Two-Face, Superman has Lex Luthor, Myxyzptlk, Bizarro, Toyman and Darkseid, but WW doesn't really have any enemies who could push her to the brink of her heroism and really give her a challenge. Cheetah is pretty weak overall, and they couldn't have her go against Ares in every episode. Likewise, they couldn't just reuse general Justice League villains either. That and the lack of interesting supporting players that could be her own versions of James Gordon, Veronica Vreeland, Harvey Bullock, Jimmy Olsen, Perry White et al are the biggest problems a WW series would pose.

[Megandawonder]

Meganwonder,

People have different opinions than you. You don't like it. We get it. This, however, is no excuse to flamebait. Anymore of it and you will be removed from the boards.

As for a Wonder Woman cartoon... I can think of at least a dozen more interesting DC characters who I'd rather see recieve thier own show. I'm not even remotely excited about this Wonder Woman DTV... I've always found her to pretty dull. I did say that about Doctor Strange too, and his DTV greatly impressed me, so we'll see.

I'm not flame baiting anybody. You can remove me from the boards either way, I am just expressing my opinions the way I do so...

[BigFatHairyDeal]

Just so there's no confusion...

I enjoy WW. I've read about half of the 226 Post-COIE WW comics, and I've read almost all the Post-Infinite Crisis stories. I've even bothered to read Amazons Attack, even though that mini-series is among the worst I've ever read, and I allow you all to laugh at me after I finish the series and absolutely hate it.

If there were a WW animated series, I'd check it out. I don't think there will be one any time soon, but I'm not losing any sleep. I will be disappointed, though, if they drop the DTV.

Wonder Woman fans (and I think I qualify, see above) aren't getting screwed because of Superman and Batman. I'd rather think that WW fans should hope that Superman and Batman do well, because that might open the window of opportunity for the other franchises. WB and DC aren't the March of Dimes. They aren't going to spend money if they think the series is going to lose them money. That said, since they are a for-profit business, I think they'd absolutely do a WW animated series if they truly believed there was money to be made. Either way, nobody deserves a show. If you get the themed show you want, you should consider yourself lucky, but usually it's just not the case.

[Batman]

I rather see animated series on Wally West as The Flash , or an an animated series on on The Green Lantern Corp . Than a Wonder Woman series .


Also another fact you have to look at is that Super Heroines movies don't sell well (As most Super Hero movies do) to The General Public , Box Office & Critics .

So What are the chances that an animated series of Wonder Woman (Without Bats or Sups) would work ?

Not to mention WW got the weakest set of Rogues' gallery & Supporting cast members . (One of The Huge Strength's of BATS, STAS even The 90's SPIDER-MAN animated series ) was both The Villians & Supporting cast members of the Heroes .

[Megandawonder]

I rather see animated series on Wally West as The Flash , or an an animated series on on The Green Lantern Corp . Than a Wonder Woman series .


Also another fact you have to look at is that Super Heroines movies don't sell well (As most Super Hero movies do) to The General Public , Box Office & Critics .

So What are the chances that an animated series of Wonder Woman (Without Bats or Sups) would work ?

It could.. And from what I learned the other day, Superman Returns wasn't all that stupendous either in the box offices, neither was Batman Begins for that matter, so I don't have any idea what anybody is talking about dude..

Both movies were extremely another super-HERO let-down...

And we don't know for certain that Wonder Woman would fail...

[The Guitar Slayer]

Mega,

Have you ever written a screenplay? A stage play? A comic book script? A novel? And managed to get industry people to look at it?

I have. It's difficult as hell to write a woman without castrating her or making her so Mary Sue it's insane and inane. This does not come from speculation; it comes from experience. Writing 120 pages of script text for a two-hour film is grueling, particularly when dealing with women with "real" aspects. I can't have her blindly kick ass and "be a man" -- she's not.

Wonder Woman has the physiological difference taken away from her -- she is a physical equal/superior to any man. Women generally do not have the physical might of a guy when it comes to interpersonal relationships, so ergo, normal human women will think their way out of it. They can manipulate and use their emotions to better effect than any man in films and sometimes real life. But Wondy doesn't have to do that. She just kick his face through a wall. So where does her femininity come in? How can I introduce that without crippling her as a character, male or female aspects? Gender is a difficult thing to write. It's the same difficulty people have had over the years with writing gay superheroes and minority superheroes. It's making both the familiar strange and the strange familiar. It's hard. You severely underestimate that.

The problem with what you've said is that you've written off every opinion but your own in this matter. A woman must fit into your mold...and isn't that a reverse stereotype and counterproductive to what you're trying to accomplish here?

[Megandawonder]

We're not talking about women in general here, we're talking about Wonder Woman specifically. Let's not turn this into yet another debate about the sexes, please.

Anyway, as for the prospect of a WW animated series: I personally would like to see one, but one of the biggest disadvantages to such an idea is the fact that Wondy has no rogues' gallery to speak of. Batman has nemeses like Joker, Penguin, Ra's Al Ghul and Two-Face, Superman has Lex Luthor, Myxyzptlk, Bizarro, Toyman and Darkseid, but WW doesn't really have any enemies who could push her to the brink of her heroism and really give her a challenge. Cheetah is pretty weak overall, and they couldn't have her go against Ares in every episode. Likewise, they couldn't just reuse general Justice League villains either. That and the lack of interesting supporting players that could be her own versions of James Gordon, Veronica Vreeland, Harvey Bullock, Jimmy Olsen, Perry White et al are the biggest problems a WW series would pose.

Wonder Woman has so many villainous characters, where did you get that from : Morgan La Fey, Giganta, Cheetah, Ares, Hades... And so many more villainous characters for Wonder Woman if you just looked them up...