McGinnis vs. Wayne

[Bird Boy]

Here's just somthing I threw together (it all refers to the TV series)
Round 1: Training

Wayne- Studied years before coming batman (he trained in all martial arts, esacping.. you name it..)

McGinnis- Just became Batman over night (according to Dini, he took some martial arts before becoming Bat's, but, not enough that Wayne knew)

Winner of round 1: Wayne

Round 2: Partners

Wayne- Had 3 Robins, & Batgirl
McGinnis- Doesn't need a partner. he has the suit

Winner of Round 2: McGinnis

Round 3: The Suit

Wayne- Spandex, w/ various HAND HELD gadgets

McGinnis- has the suit which gives him extra strength, and the gadgets are sorta computerized, so he doesn't really have to handle them (exception: bat-a-rangs)

Winner of Round 3: Wayne

Round 4: Reason for being Batman

Wayne- Saw his parents murdered, and vowed to be Batman

McGinnis- His Dad died (but not in front of his eyes) and found out Wayne's secret. He just became Batman

Winner of round 4: Wayne

Round 5: Shining Moment

Wayne- (I don't think they really showed one..)

McGinnis- End of ROTJoker. The fight with the Joker

Winner of Round 5: McGinnis

Winner: Bruce Wayne

******End of Rounds*******

So, with all of that said, do u guys want to disagree/agree with me? Create a round 6? Hope you enjoyed my little fight thing..

-Bird_Boy

P.S. Oh yeah, those are just MY OPPIONS. I'm sure yours will be different. They are both Batman in their own way. Wayne is just the stronger Batman.

[Inque]

Vilians:

Bruce Wayne - Clayface, Mr. Freeze, The Penguin, etc.

Mcginnis - Inque, Spellbinder, Blight, etc...

Winnder: Terry Mcginnis by FAR!! ......mostly because of inque!

[Kylewayne]

Tadadadadadada...DA......BRUCE WAYNE!!!
He is the only true BATMAN , besides the vilains in B:TAS and the new adventures are the coolest!!! ( Catwoman , Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, Joker, etc...)
The only coolest vilain in Batman Beyond is INQUE!

[Shriek]

Wayne was the first Batman. No one will ever let someone take him over. Not even his son Tallant will be the true Batman..

Tallant is Bruce and Talias son in Elseworld's Finest.

[Inque]

i see you received the avatar and it works!

[Salvor]

Wayne IS the most interesting one indeed. This "contest" brings out that point well.

[Inque]

Originally posted by kylewayne

The only coolest vilain in Batman Beyond is INQUE!

AMEN!!!

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Inque
Vilians:

Bruce Wayne - Clayface, Mr. Freeze, The Penguin, etc.

Mcginnis - Inque, Spellbinder, Blight, etc...

Winnder: Terry Mcginnis by FAR!! ......mostly because of inque!

No way! I'd give that round to Wayne - his villians had heart and soul to then - a lot of Terry's don't. I don't think there's even the slightest comparison between the quality of Wayne's Rogue's Gallery and Terry's. Besides, Wayne had the greatest, coolest villian of all time - ME!

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by Clayface


No way! I'd give that round to Wayne - his villians had heart and soul to then - a lot of Terry's don't. I don't think there's even the slightest comparison between the quality of Wayne's Rogue's Gallery and Terry's. Besides, Wayne had the greatest, coolest villian of all time - ME!

That's very true, and I agree, but heart doesn't pay the villains bills! The vast majority if not all of Terry's villains were extremely dangerous as far as what they could do. Of course, because of the depth, development and heart that Bruce's villains had, they were capable of more. But where one on one fighting is concerned, I don't know where Terry would be without his suit. Blight, Shriek, Inque....I think there were a higher number of distruction prone villains for Terry than for Bruce.

Although Bruce and everything else about him is still my pick for "winner" even though I don't like to compare them like that.

[Clayface]

Originally posted by Nightwing

But where one on one fighting is concerned, I don't know where Terry would be without his suit. Blight, Shriek, Inque....I think there were a higher number of distruction prone villains for Terry than for Bruce.

First, I'd say Bruce has as many, if not more villians that are just as power ful - Clayface, Mr. Freeze, Bane, Scarecrow, Killer Croc, Poison Ivy, etc. And it was never said that we're talking only one on one fights - you have to consider not just brawn, but brains. And Bruce's villians again win out inthe brains department - Ra's Al Ghul, Catwoman, Joker, etc. Bruce's villians out number, out wit Terry's, and he has just as many brute strength villians.

[Robin III]

There's a problem with Terry's Villains though! They're mainly re-hashes of existing ones! While the costumes are different (and in some cases, better) they're still old villains from the comics! Nonetheless, they are interesting to watch, but just not very original. Admittedly, there are other ones who are original (or I just haven't though of anyone similar!) but still, some main ones (or re-appearing ones) are re-done.

Blight is pretty much Dr. Phosphorus or the Corossive Man

Inque is like LadyClay, the 4th Clayface

the Royal Flush Gang is the same as the JLA Gang, (but Ace wasn't mute)

Spellbinder is a Batman villain who does the exact same thing but he's actually a she right now. Originally the character was a man, but one of his henchmen killed him when she got powers from the devil's agents (long story, but hey, cool villain)

Mr. Freeze.... Nuff said

The Jokerz.... Again

Chappell (Bane's Doctor) isessentially Bane but not very smart

Mad Stan is like the Tick's Bigshot (who is supposed to be a Punisher take-off anyway)

Ma Mayhem was a 60's villain for cryin' out loud! (Known as Ma Parker though)

Earth Mover I'm stretching a bit, but like a Poison Ivy type who'se able to control the environment. I liked this character (especially the design) but the main idea is still taken!

Terriffic Trio (the Fantastic Four)

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Those are the main one's that I can think of off the top of my head, but overall, I'd say that this causes for Wayne to win in the villain category. While the Beyond team has done an amazing job of making these new villains worthy of watching, they're still based elsewhere in the comic world.

[Inque]

Originally posted by Clayface


I'd give that round to Wayne - his villians had heart and soul to then - a lot of Terry's don't.

true they don't have heart and soul, but they did try with Inque in that whole Inqueling episode. But who needs heart and soul when you've got strength, power, finesse, cool abilities, killer looks, and sex appeal?

[Salvor]

I agree with most of you (for once, even with you, Clayface!). Bruce's villains do outwit Terry's. And most of Terry's villains show an obvious dearth of depth: their aims are often not so original and some of them do stem directly from existing ones.

The tragic aspect of villains like Clayface of Mr Freeze is what appeals to me the most.

[James]

Hmm, but surely Terry's villians are Wayne's villians also?

As for Terry's not being as good as Wayne's older enemies... yeah, it's true. But since Terry is not actually meant to be half the Batman that Wayne was/is (that is made very clear in BB!) I think Terry can just think himself lucky.

Give the kid a break! He did kick Joker's butt!
Well... just about...
......after the Joker had given him a serious kicking...
and after Joker had leveled half the city...

Hmm, Gotham be thankful the villians have toned down so much or there wouldn't be much left on Terry's watch!

[DR. BELCH]

--I'm more of a Blight fan than an Inque fan, but she's just a harlot's hair under ol' skullface in my estimation. I actually almost sympathized with the guy near the end of "Ascension", when he started fussing that he just wanted to be left to his lonesome. When he gently smiles at his secretary and bites into a corned beef sandwich that she brought him, he looks absurdly human...though when Terry accuses him of the death of his father, he immediately hardens into his more familiar role of monster: "Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?" The question remains: would Terry have happily snuffed out Blight, or attempted to rehabilitate and cure the former Derek Powers?

[Inque]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
--I'm more of a Blight fan than an Inque fan, but she's just a harlot's hair under ol' skullface in my estimation.

Harlot's hair???

[Peace Keeper]

When he gently smiles at his secretary and bites into a corned beef sandwich that she brought him, he looks absurdly human -DR. BELCH

That was a a smile? I thought it was a more of a nasty, "What the hell are YOU starring at!" face.

[DR. BELCH]

Originally posted by PEACE KEEPER
That was a a smile? I thought it was a more of a nasty, "What the hell are YOU starring at!" face.

Well...admittedly, it's hard to tell, since without makeup ol' skullhead doesn't have visible lips. Though it's easy to read the secretary's (rather odd) look of pity as she glances wistfully over her shoulder.
That's a particularly memorable scene, BTW, because you can look right through Blight's cheek as he chews his food...yuk.

Originally posted by INQUE
Harlot's hair???

A nicer-sounding euphamism for another figure of speech that refers to a small distance between points...but instead of "harlot" it uses a word that starts with w and rhymes with more. I even recall hearing Inque referred to using that word somewhere in the archives....

[Inque]

Originally posted by DR. BELCH


but instead of "harlot" it uses a word that starts with w and rhymes with more. I even recall hearing Inque referred to using that word somewhere in the archives....

where?

as far as we know, she only had one affair with some dude, who eventually gave birth to deanna. if she had one night stands with other people, then she could be what you refferred to. but i doubt it, she wouldn't have wanted to take anymore risks with more children.

[DR. BELCH]

Originally posted by INQUE-- where?

Aqui:
http://www.toonzone.net/cgi-bin/wf/w...wfbb.archive64

Though it doesn't necessarily mean she has had relations with men for money. Deanna, in "Inqueling", criticizes her for selling her body to unscrupulous scientists and letting them turn her into a freak. Inque says, basically, "But I did it for you, baby." To me that sounds like a defense mechanism--self-delusion--more than anything; she isn't lying to anyone but herself. She'd have done better raising Deanna herself poor and honest rather than palming her off on a foster family, then wallowing in debauchery for years as she funneled her ill-gotten gains into her daughter's pocket under the guise of being a good mother.
Then again, if she had done that, Batman Beyond would be all the poorer without its darkest star.