Why can't they use Batman's World?

[BeyondGotham]

Why can't anything from the Batman verse be included in JLU?

Why can't The Batman use Ra's and Crow? I understand they are in the new movie, but yet that is different from the toons, otherwise, they would never have let The Batman be produced like it was, with all of the baddies being monsters.

[DisneyBoy]

WB got The Batman started up because it was a new series and a relaunch, which they hoped could capitalize on the new Batman Begins movie (itself also a relaunch). In order to make sure that kids were mainly exposed to Batman via the new cartoon show, the new movie and/or the mainstream comics, they cancelled the Batman Adventures comics (written by Dan Slott and Ty Templeton, keeping in continuity with Bruce Timm's TNBA) and restricted the use of Batman characters on Justice League to only Batman, since he's a big icon who kids recognize.

It doesn't entirely make sense, but you can sort of understand why they'd want to try and make things easier for the kids to follow by keeping to only three versions of one character.

[Bird Boy]

I honestly don't think The Batman has anything to do with it--it's all the movie. Just so the cartoon doesn't take a route that the movie execs don't want, the characters are restricted.

That's just speculation as well. But like I said, I'm pretty sure it's the movie and not The Batman.

-BB

[Harley_Quinn]

I really wish things were different.

[Mad Monkey 7]

Well,

"Smallvillie" not going to have a probelm with the "Superman" movie because Bryan Singer is a big fan of the show. Lois is going to join the cast full time in the fall.

I guess, J.L.U. will be allowed to use the Superman characters as well as Smallvillie is.

[bobspoland]

i really dont see the point. JLU and the batman are run by the same company. WB they OWN Cartoon Network, its rather stupid. Just wait till the superman movie comes out. Same company and i think the same will happen. Thats if JLU comes back for a season 5

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

I honestly don't think The Batman has anything to do with it--it's all the movie. Just so the cartoon doesn't take a route that the movie execs don't want, the characters are restricted.

That's just speculation as well. But like I said, I'm pretty sure it's the movie and not The Batman.

-BB

If that's the case. Let the movie come out already! For both reasons that it'll be probably be cool and maybe it'll lift the Bat-embargo

[James]

It makes utter financial sense. You are making a cartoon like "The Batman". It's main intent is to sell toys and keep interest for the movie.

You don't effectively create competition by keeping the old Batman characters on the air. Kids are specific about their toys. There's enough Toon and Toy competition out there without using your own characters against yourself! Give them a comparison and you can damage the success in the new cartoon. You divide it's potential popularlity and Bat market. Divide it's Bat market and your toy partner isn't happy since you are effectively weakening it's toyline.

It was the same logic with Batman Adventures. You are trying to promote a new Batman. You are trying to sell a new model. You don't keep the old one still running when promoting something new.

Batman's use to JL means that some flexibility was given - and that's pretty usual.

Like a car, you don't keep hyping the older model when you are trying to sell the new one. It's crazy. It's crazy for it's popularity, it's crazy for the merchandise.

Just count your lucky stars JL kept Batman and so heavily, I really am suprised they were allowed to. Losing the rest of the Batworld comes as no surprise.

[Squall]

If nothing else, they should have at least let JLU have access to Joker as well as Batman.

Personally, I hope the movie flops and "The Batman" gets cancelled quickly, so that the Bat-embargo will end soon.

[DLM]

It makes utter financial sense. You are making a cartoon like "The Batman". It's main intent is to sell toys and keep interest for the movie.

You don't effectively create competition by keeping the old Batman characters on the air. Kids are specific about their toys. There's enough Toon and Toy competition out there without using your own characters against yourself! Give them a comparison and you can damage the success in the new cartoon. You divide it's potential popularlity and Bat market. Divide it's Bat market and your toy partner isn't happy since you are effectively weakening it's toyline.

It was the same logic with Batman Adventures. You are trying to promote a new Batman. You are trying to sell a new model. You don't keep the old one still running when promoting something new.

Batman's use to JL means that some flexibility was given - and that's pretty usual.

Like a car, you don't keep hyping the older model when you are trying to sell the new one. It's crazy. It's crazy for it's popularity, it's crazy for the merchandise.

Just count your lucky stars JL kept Batman and so heavily, I really am suprised they were allowed to. Losing the rest of the Batworld comes as no surprise.

Good post and Im sure that IS the rational behind the bat embargo. The flaw is of course (not in your analysis, but in that of the marketing reps behind the logic) your target audience isn't going to be descriminating about the times they see Batman and all the associated characters on TV. The kids that buy toys are gonna be more pumped up to buy a product every time they see something cool with x character. They arent gonna care that x character is in this continutity or that continuity. No kid is gonna say "I don't want the joker figurine in stores cause it doesn't look like the guy I saw on JLU, I want the one I saw in The Batman" Rather, every time he or she sees something cool on TV that remotely relates to Bat-character he or she is gonna want X toy that is on sale all that much more.

The Bat embargo is a stupid marketing strategy but apparantly one that someone in power somewhere is fond of right now. Of course Im not an insider and I don't Really know how things work, just my 2 cents.

[BeyondGotham]

Good post and Im sure that IS the rational behind the bat embargo. The flaw is of course (not in your analysis, but in that of the marketing reps behind the logic) your target audience isn't going to be descriminating about the times they see Batman and all the associated characters on TV. The kids that buy toys are gonna be more pumped up to buy a product every time they see something cool with x character. They arent gonna care that x character is in this continutity or that continuity. No kid is gonna say "I don't want the joker figurine in stores cause it doesn't look like the guy I saw on JLU, I want the one I saw in The Batman" Rather, every time he or she sees something cool on TV that remotely relates to Bat-character he or she is gonna want X toy that is on sale all that much more.

The Bat embargo is a stupid marketing strategy but apparantly one that someone in power somewhere is fond of right now. Of course Im not an insider and I don't Really know how things work, just my 2 cents.

Thats my point. My son will play with a Batman Beyond Figure, ith e The Batman Joker, and a 6' Inch Robin, to him (he's 6 BTW) they are all the same. Sometimes I wonder where they come up with this stuff.

[Batman's Biggest Fan]

Well I hope the movie is good, (espiecally after Batman & Robin) but if it's another Batman & Robin well then. By all means feel free to "AAAAHHHHHHH!" And The Batman's ratings haven't been as good as they once were according to Universal Ratings (unless I'm missing something...) For instance, The Batman was once Kids WB's number 1 show, but not anymore. Wherelse, JLU and Teen Titan's ratings remain great. And as far as I'm concerned keep those two shows going as long as the crew want to do so (and if ratings stay high) Why stop when you got something good on your hands? Besides I doubt, The Batman will last past 52 episodes anyway, Teen Titans already exceeded that and JLU has a good chance of living past 52 episodes as well. And I'm sure regardless, they'll outlive the Bat-embargo by then anyway. (Well it isn't permanent is it? *is scared* is it?) Of course they might make a Super-embargo by then. So my words to b.t. and crew. Use the most out of Lex Luthor and Darkseid while you can!

[Style]

Personally, I hope the movie flops and "The Batman" gets cancelled quickly, so that the Bat-embargo will end soon.

This sentiment doesn't make one damn bit of sense.

If the WB is playing favorites with the different versions of Batman, it doesn't follow that the fans should do the same. I want the new film to be great! I've been waiting for a good Batman film. Sure, the Bat-embargo is regrettable, but it's not like Bruce Timm didn't have time to fully explore those characters, (cough12yearscough.)

I think the new show has done some good things, I hear it gets way better at the end of the season, and I hope that continues in Season 2.

Why would anyone want Batman to fail? I guess if you only accept DCAU Batman as worth anything, but that's pretty damned narrow.