Justice League Unlimited "Ultimatum" Talkback (Spoilers)

[JusticeLeagueLegion]

Whoa man! Didn't expect to see Max Lord and Amanda Waller! That rocked!

[Dogbert]

I liked the episode, but the storyline was way unoriginal. Did anyone else get flashbacks of Heroes's The Terrific Trio with a Spider-Man: TAS MJ clone twist?

7.5 out of 10

[Knight]

I gave this ep a 4.4 if for nothing more than the government subplot being further explored.

Other random thoughts-

The introduction of Amanda Waller was great and they really captured her character. She even mentions the (Suicide) Squad. Hope they make a appearence soon.

Superman was taking down way too easily by the wind guy (cant recall his name at the moment) if he was faking to get a reaction that would have made it more beleivable. I mean the guy can hold his breathe for a long time. He shouldnt have been able to have the air sucked out of him.

[Space Cadet]

I liked this episode better when it was about the Terrific Trio. "Heroes" was a good episode. This is just average, or even sub-average. I mean plot point for plot point I can't really tell the difference between the episodes. Except that this episode is attempting to start a continuity that will be explored later.

I hope the story they are trying to tell, the overall arc, is worth plowing through these mediocre episodes in the process.

I was thinking the same thing too. "Heroes" was a good episode, but this one was just average. I did like the whole "government-owned superheroes" subplot and that one of the members joined the league.

[Vagrant]

I still liked this one though but it confirmed my fears from Fearful Symetry about the government having files on the league members and maybe even knowing who they are the story wasn't to original but the action was better and I kind of liked these guys better then the Terrific Trio. maybe the Ultimen are precursors to the Trio?

It's nice to know all this stuff now, but it simply wasn't done in an interesting way. It was all kind of dumped out there with no foreshadowing. The comment at the end sounded like a cheap, obvious bully tatic not fitting a high government...oh, never mind.

Finally, who is the Terrific Trio?

[Red X Unmasked]

Pretty good. I liked it, but I had some problems.

Likes
I liked the Ultimen and the homage to Superfriends
I liked when that lady (I forget her name. I think they said Walker) implied that she knew who Batman was
I liked Batman's line at the end "Ours are bigger". That pwns all lines!

Dislikes
I didn't like all the name changes. Though they were in a way nessesary, I thought they were just dumb. Especially Long Shadow and Juice.
I didn't like the villains Bizzaro and Garganta, but since its a homage, I'll let it slide
I REALLY was annoyed by "Juice's" lines. I mean his voice was horrible, and he was just a real boring character. They could've at least had him say SOMETHING useful.

Can't wait for Dark Heart and Wake the Dead.

[Phantasm]

THIS SSSSSOOO ROCKED!!!!!!
IT WAS SO GREAT TO SEE BATMAN AGAIN!!!!!!
DIDN'T REALIZE HOW MUCH I MISSED IT!!!!!
WHY DID I EVER CRITICIZE THE INTRO AGAIN?!

(Takes a deep breath and composes herself)

...okay.The theme wasn't exactly orginial even though it did give the Ultimen a plausible enough cause for their actions.And I did sympathize with them to some extend.

Diana's presence certainly made me warm up to her again.She seemed...herself. Nice, kind and the diplomat that she is deemed to be. And c'mon, even boy scout Superman has to show moods every once in a while!Aquaman...meh...never did care much for him.

And I'll say it. BATMAN STOLE THE SHOW!!!! "Mine's bigger than yours!" HA!:anime:
He had some slick action sequences.Though I STILL miss his dramatic entrances...and was that Batman having fun with his jet at the begining!LOL!That's just so cute!

The woman who made the 'rich boy' comment reminded me of Condolisa (sp) Rice for some reason...must be that ugly sneer she wears all the time and the speech mannersims...

A darn good episode. Won't go as far to say it was 'great' because I have seen better...but just the very fact that Batman is present puts this one a few notches higher on my JLU episode list...


"mine is bigger than yours." honestly!:anime:

[Dogbert]

I liked this episode better when it was about the Terrific Trio. "Heroes" was a good episode.

Beat to the punch...

[Youko Recca]

Alright but not that good. Or not as good as it could have been. The main fault was how some of the characters weren't being played to a hundred percent of their personalities. Aquaman was too open and dare I say...nice--r? Batman needed to be a little more calm and cool, like when confrontated by a no-name government official lady from out of nowhere....she shouldn't have intimidated anyone in the least. Luckily Wonder Women was better played to make up for it.

So yeah. Alright, but nothing special. Good thing I feel a better episode coming.

[Bejammin2000]

Point One: The re-done Superfriends. I grew up on those guys, so this was cool to see them redone.

Point Two: Maxwell Lord. Ahhhh.... it's not a trip down nostalgia lane with the 'civilian' leader of Justice League International.

Point Three: Amanda Waller. With her in, Task Force X can't be far behind.

Point Four: The Squad was mentioned. That's good. They're due a run in with the League.

Point Five: Waller's last line. I like.


I liked this. Just a fun trip down memory lane and expanding on the plot introduced in Fearful Symetry.

Also, I'd like to ask.... who hear thinks that Longshadow is gonna be cured of his cellular degeneration?




BJ

[Mister Intensity]

The plot was weak and I'm not crazy about the way this government conspiracy is shaping up but the Superfriends parody aspect of the episode was dead on. Everything from the Ultimen's earnestnest to the lava men, Batman's wacky flying device he carried Aquaman with to the ineptness of the Wonder Twin clones this look at the Superfriends was well done. If only the plot didn't get in the way.

Mister Intensity

[Rabi~en~Rose]

you know I really don't like this whole government evil stuff I hope it doesnt lead to the justice league of america ending up fighting america

[Dogbert]

*Heavy-set black lady comment to Bats was too general. She and the rest of her govt. lapdogs MAY NOT know who Bats real identity is? Look at Batman car, Bat-jet or plane and his other gadgets; who wouldn't think that Batman is rich to afford all those gadgets. Bruce reaction was too telling, even for him.

She called him rich boy in the same sentence she's warning him to back off. I think it's clear she does know who he is. Still, Batman shouldn't give any indication that she's right, keep 'em guessing as long as possible...

[Stickman]

I'll be honest- I've never seen the BB episode "Heroes". In fact, I've never seen an episode of BB, period.

Still, I liked "Ultimatum". It's not nearly as good as "Fearful Symmetry", but it was still watchable, gave cool action sequences, & an awesome Batman line "Mine are bigger than yours."

[Fone Bone]

It was all right. Parts of the episode were neat but there were quite a few "I wish they had..." moments.

I wish they had Tim Daly voice Bizarro.

I wish they had shown Grodd.

I wish they hadn't redone Heroes.

I wish they had moved the conspricay plot forward from Fearful Symmetry. The only new bit of info was that they know who Batman is. I had never seen that lady or that guy before so I wasn't that invested with the players.

I had thought about the Wonder Twins and Apache Cheif but I guess the entire episode was an homage to the Superfriends.

I liked how they changed the ending from Heroes and actually had Apache Cheif Guy join the League.

It was good to see Giganta again.

Aquaman seemed a little "off" this episode. Maybe because he was a little too chummy with the League. Or maybe because he was sarcastic more than once (a welcome development.)

Superman thinking the Ultimen were "corny" was simultaniously funny, ironic and true.

I kept thinking how creepy it was that Diana was hanging out with Apache Cheif Guy. She seemed a little TOO interested in the kid. Is he even legal? Considering he's only 1, probably not. Stupid Apache Cheif! Stay away from Batman's woman!

I liked this episode but I didn't love it. ***1/2.

[Knight]

The woman who made the 'rich boy' comment reminded me of Condolisa (sp) Rice for some reason...must be that ugly sneer she wears all the time and the speech mannersims...

Oddly enough in the comics I think Amanda Waller served as a cabinet member during Luthor's presidential term.

[JLU Dude]

**** 1/2 of out *****. I thought it was pretty interesting to see a revised version of the SuperFriends. It was also nice seeing Maxwell Lord and Amanda Waller in animated form. Also nice to see Hamiliton, Bizarro, and Giganta again. Enjoyed the glimpse of the new Batplane and can't wait to see if Longshadow does have an adventure with the League.

[Jack Frenzy]

Ah, those two icons of the late Eighties DC universe: Amanda Waller (Boss of the Suicide Squad) and Maxwell Lord (Sponsor of Justice League International) make their DCU debut.

Some changes of course: Max wasn't half as arrogantly Donald Trumpish as in the comics. Can't say I liked the idea of him working for her. They always interacted best when she was the hard-nose law-and-order government bureaucrat and he was the flashy industrialist political "string-puller" she both respected and hated.

[Rabi~en~Rose]

Finally, who is the Terrific Trio?

they were a small group of heroes funded and in a way made by the government in Batman Beyond who got their powers in a "accident" and all ended up going mad and dying sort of like the Ultimen

[randomguy]

I enjoyed this.

Granted, it's nothing revolutionary as episodes go, but it provides nice action sequences, some decent character interaction, and best of all, does an excellent job teasing future developments. What makes JLU worth tuning into week after week, despite its debatable quality, is that it at least appears to have direction. The ongoing plot of Season 1 is nicely teased, and the introductions of Amanda Waller and the Suicide Squad are an excellent treat for us comic fans. There's a nice feeling of suspense and intrigue here, and the audience has little clue as to what exactly is going on. I'll admit that Bizarro seems thrown in, and the Ultimen are by no means original, but at least the characterization is sympathetic, and Waller's closing line to Batman is every bit as chilling and surprising as it should be. A solid B from me.

Oddly enough in the comics I think Amanda Waller served as a cabinet member during Luthor's presidential term.

Yup, she was head of the Department of Metahuman Affairs. I don't know what her status in the DCU is now, but presumably she's fallen pretty far from grace since Lex's presidency collapsed.