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    Some things I noticed about Teen Titans

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    Here are some odd things I noticed about some Teen Titan eppys:

    2. Sisters
    -Starfire's been on Earth longer, so why doesn't she sound more human that Blackfire? Remember, Blackie uses Earth slang and idioms even though it's her first time here, but Starfire still sounds kind of like she's retarded (no offense intended, that was just the only term that I could think of.)

    3. Divide and Conquer
    -How in the freakin hell did Cyborg beat Cinderblock on his own, when earlier the entire team couldn't do more than irritate him?

    5. The Sum of His Parts
    -Fixit recalls memories of his own past above-ground when he downloads Cyborg's memories. Earlier in the episode, he says that he has lived his entire life underground, with no recollection or need for sunlight, food, friendship, etc.

    7. Switched
    -If you need to feel mad to hurl Starbolts, and joy to fly, how can Starfire fly and hurl starbolts at the same time?

    8. Deep Six
    -In Switched, Raven said her powers were driven by her emotions. So why didn't stuff blow up or something when she was all ga-ga over Aqualad?

    9. Masks
    -When Starfire accidently activates Robin's hologram, it is not at all similar to the original hologram. It does not chase, it does not point, and the original hologram did not flicker. Also, if Robin had all that super disappear and chucking X powers, why has he never used them before?

    11. Apprentice (1)
    -When Raven finds the Pier 41 reflection on the bomb, wouldn't that mean that the Titans would have to go to the building across from Pier 41, not to Pier 41 itself?

    13. Car Trouble
    -Why would there be emergency sprinklers in an electronics store? That would kinda ruin the electronics.
    -When they're after Gizmo, why Raven just doesn't use her power to levitate and stop the T-Car since the chase starts, as she did with the two bad boys in the burger restaurant and as she does with Gizmo and his parachute?
    -Why would you take Overload, a piece of circuitry, to prison? Wouldn't you just destroy it?

    14. How Long Is Forever?
    -When Starfire first meets future Cyborg, he tells her that he tried to make a portable powercell but failed. Later in the show, Cyborg comes to help the titans fight and his power powercell is fixed. If Cyborg had twenty years to fix his powercell, why did it take him such a short amount of time to fix it later?
    -Warp says that he read the historical articles about the teen titans. Wouldn't they say that Warp was defeated? If so, why would he even try going back? He himself said that you cannot change the past, because it has already happened.

    17. Only Human
    -How is it at the beginning of the episode when Cy and Atlas are fighting IN THE OCEAN the water is only ankle deep?

    18. Fear Itself
    -Beast Boy said that he had never heard of Control Freak but Cyborg later, while in the Evidence Room, says that they have 10 of his Remotes.

    20. Transformation
    -So, how exactly did the others track Starfire down? The universe in a pretty big place.

    22. Winner Take All
    -Somehow the Master of Games gains the ability to breath blasts of water. Presumably he gets it from Aqualad, but Aqualad doesn't have the power to shoot water from his body.
    -So Robin's bowstaff couldn't snap Speedy's bow, but Robin's foot can?

    23. Betrayal
    -Why does Beast Boy have a huge rectangular hole in the outside wall of his room? The tower is supposed to be locked down for the night, and flying up to that floor would be trivial for any number of villains.

    25. Aftershock (1)
    -If Robin and Cyborg destroyed Plasmus using the sonicboom before, why not they just do it again to get it over with?
    -Assuming Raven was drowned in mud, Starfire was flung off a cliff (and appeared to make no effort to save herself), Cyborg & Beast Boy were dropped into the fault line created by Terra, & Robin got his skull crushed in, how do they all manage to survive, communicate & find each other in that pit, & come off of the whole thing without a scratch?

    26. Aftershock (2)
    -This is a geological error. Terra quickly cooled the lava to save the city. The rock she is made of ans around her is obsidian. Obsidian is slowly cooled lava. It should have been pumice. Pumice is rapidly cooled lava and has holes in it. She would have been able to breathe, talk, all the stuff.
    -Early in the episode, Terra mentions how quiet the city is -- now that the people are gone. If the city was abandoned, why was it necessary to stop the volcano? (It really diminishes the impact of the ending if Terra died to save empty buildings...)

    28. X
    -Robin repeatedly states it's all his fault that he didn't just destroy the power suit in the first place. So what does he do when he gets control of the belt? He locks it up. Just like what he did with the suit.
    -Robin is an obvious genius in the series. This being true, how does a common thief break through Cyborg's defense system then into Robin's super vault, then leave with out any one noticing?
    -Synothium is such a concentrated, unstable fuel source that it is illegal for even superheroes to possess, and almost impossible even to safely dispose of. At the end of the episode, Red X throws a whole vial, enough to power the suit indefinitely, and one of eight that powered an enormous disintegration cannon, to the ground, producing a wimpy blast that doesn't even knock Robin off his feet at point-blank range.

    31. Haunted
    -In 'Sisters,' Robin said his cape was made of titanium alloy. Also, in 'Winner Take All' Robin reflected lava with the cape. So if his cape is so powerful, how in the world could he have ripped it with his bare hands while fighting a hallucination?

    34. Wavelength
    -You'd think Raven could make some sort of bubble around herself when she's underwater to keep from drowning? Or she could at least levitate so she wasn't spinning around the whole time in BB's mouth.
    -How did Brother Blood steal Cyborg's blueprints when he hacked in? It's not like he actually connected to the computer or anything.
    -How is it that Aqualad wrenched the door open in the beginning but he AND Beast Boy together couldn't stop the walls when they were trying to crush them?

    That's it for now. As more episodes appear, I'll have more odd things to post up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red X Unmasked
    Here are some odd things I noticed about some Teen Titan eppys:

    2. Sisters
    -Starfire's been on Earth longer, so why doesn't she sound more human that Blackfire? Remember, Blackie uses Earth slang and idioms even though it's her first time here, but Starfire still sounds kind of like she's retarded (no offense intended, that was just the only term that I could think of.)
    I guess the writers were trying to portray Blackfire as a more experienced and traveled person than Starfire, and just forgot about this.
    3. Divide and Conquer
    -How in the freakin hell did Cyborg beat Cinderblock on his own, when earlier the entire team couldn't do more than irritate him?
    Maybe Cyborg had more of a motivation in his solo fight (redeem himself of sorts) than they all did in the first battle. The question of Cinderblock's ever changing strength has been brought up on many occassions.
    5. The Sum of His Parts
    -Fixit recalls memories of his own past above-ground when he downloads Cyborg's memories. Earlier in the episode, he says that he has lived his entire life underground, with no recollection or need for sunlight, food, friendship, etc.
    Plot hole. No other explanation. Sometimes people just aren't thinking when they're writing.
    7. Switched
    -If you need to feel mad to hurl Starbolts, and joy to fly, how can Starfire fly and hurl starbolts at the same time?
    This was just a big mistake made by the writers. Starfire's powers in the comics act nothing like this, and the only reason they said these things in the ep was to make things harder on Raven (who holds back emotions). They probably just weren't thinking.
    8. Deep Six
    -In Switched, Raven said her powers were driven by her emotions. So why didn't stuff blow up or something when she was all ga-ga over Aqualad?
    I don't know, but this scene pissed me off. Aqualad sucks IMO. Raven wouldn't be the kind of person to put such emphasis on physical appearance.
    9. Masks
    -When Starfire accidently activates Robin's hologram, it is not at all similar to the original hologram. It does not chase, it does not point, and the original hologram did not flicker. Also, if Robin had all that super disappear and chucking X powers, why has he never used them before?
    Robin probably had a series of Holograms set up to play out the chase scene, and Starfire probably only knocked over one of them. It probably flickered because the fall damaged it. The X powers and super disappear trick were abilities provided by the suit and the zynopium that powers it. Without the suit, Robin doesn't have the powers. They are not innate like BB's changling abilities. My question is, why doesn't Robin make himself a similar suit that he could use to give himself an edge in battle? (Who wouldn't want super disappeary trick?)
    11. Apprentice (1)
    -When Raven finds the Pier 41 reflection on the bomb, wouldn't that mean that the Titans would have to go to the building across from Pier 41, not to Pier 41 itself?
    I noticed this myself. Your right about that, I don't know what the writers were thinking. Probably just an oversight.
    13. Car Trouble
    -Why would there be emergency sprinklers in an electronics store? That would kinda ruin the electronics.
    -When they're after Gizmo, why Raven just doesn't use her power to levitate and stop the T-Car since the chase starts, as she did with the two bad boys in the burger restaurant and as she does with Gizmo and his parachute?
    -Why would you take Overload, a piece of circuitry, to prison? Wouldn't you just destroy it?
    -Fire would kinda ruin the electronics too, along with the building, and possibly every building in the surrounding five blocks. Plus, electronics are prone to sparking fires, so it's required by law to have sprinklers.
    -Because that wouldn't have been as fun.
    -Because then he wouldn't be able to appear in later episodes. Got to keep the bad guys available for future attacks you know.
    14. How Long Is Forever?
    -When Starfire first meets future Cyborg, he tells her that he tried to make a portable powercell but failed. Later in the show, Cyborg comes to help the titans fight and his power powercell is fixed. If Cyborg had twenty years to fix his powercell, why did it take him such a short amount of time to fix it later?
    -Warp says that he read the historical articles about the teen titans. Wouldn't they say that Warp was defeated? If so, why would he even try going back? He himself said that you cannot change the past, because it has already happened.
    -Maybe Cyborg was just being lazy and didn't want to help. Or perhaps he had been working on fixing it and was almost done, and took the signal as an excuse to get really motivated and finish the job.
    -Time travel causes too many paradoxes, which is why It's not possible IMO. I've never seen a time travel episode of any show or movie that didn't raise atleast ten of these kinds of questions.
    17. Only Human
    -How is it at the beginning of the episode when Cy and Atlas are fighting IN THE OCEAN the water is only ankle deep?
    Robots float? Probably not. I don't know.
    18. Fear Itself
    -Beast Boy said that he had never heard of Control Freak but Cyborg later, while in the Evidence Room, says that they have 10 of his Remotes.
    I'm pretty sure Beast Boy has a learning disorder, so maybe he just forgot they had fought control freak 10 times before. Or maybe Control Freak was just nice and sent them 10 remotes as a parting gift or something. Now I'm just being stupid.
    20. Transformation
    -So, how exactly did the others track Starfire down? The universe in a pretty big place.
    It was Robin's never-ending love for her that helped them track her down.
    22. Winner Take All
    -Somehow the Master of Games gains the ability to breath blasts of water. Presumably he gets it from Aqualad, but Aqualad doesn't have the power to shoot water from his body.
    -So Robin's bowstaff couldn't snap Speedy's bow, but Robin's foot can?
    -This happened because the writers realized how super-lame Aqualad and all his powers are, so they had to make something interesting up to represent him.
    -It's a magic foot, ala Larry's magic finger. Get the connection? I don't.
    23. Betrayal
    -Why does Beast Boy have a huge rectangular hole in the outside wall of his room? The tower is supposed to be locked down for the night, and flying up to that floor would be trivial for any number of villains.
    Maybe it's one of those new-fangled glassless windows. A means to an end I suppose.
    25. Aftershock (1)
    -If Robin and Cyborg destroyed Plasmus using the sonicboom before, why not they just do it again to get it over with?
    -Assuming Raven was drowned in mud, Starfire was flung off a cliff (and appeared to make no effort to save herself), Cyborg & Beast Boy were dropped into the fault line created by Terra, & Robin got his skull crushed in, how do they all manage to survive, communicate & find each other in that pit, & come off of the whole thing without a scratch?
    -Because Robin was busy fighting Cinderblock.
    -I don't think they were all battered like you described. I think the representation was they all ended up underground (Robin pounded underground by the rock, Starfire washed underground? Raven sunk underground?) They could find each other via the communicators. Also, if you see the final scene with them undergound, they're all pretty beat up, especially Robin.
    26. Aftershock (2)
    -This is a geological error. Terra quickly cooled the lava to save the city. The rock she is made of ans around her is obsidian. Obsidian is slowly cooled lava. It should have been pumice. Pumice is rapidly cooled lava and has holes in it. She would have been able to breathe, talk, all the stuff.
    -Early in the episode, Terra mentions how quiet the city is -- now that the people are gone. If the city was abandoned, why was it necessary to stop the volcano? (It really diminishes the impact of the ending if Terra died to save empty buildings...)
    -I did not know that. My question is, why did the cooling lava not MELT HER SKIN AND BONES? It's f****** lava!
    -Maybe the city has some kind of historical significance?
    28. X
    -Robin repeatedly states it's all his fault that he didn't just destroy the power suit in the first place. So what does he do when he gets control of the belt? He locks it up. Just like what he did with the suit.
    -Robin is an obvious genius in the series. This being true, how does a common thief break through Cyborg's defense system then into Robin's super vault, then leave with out any one noticing?
    -Synothium is such a concentrated, unstable fuel source that it is illegal for even superheroes to possess, and almost impossible even to safely dispose of. At the end of the episode, Red X throws a whole vial, enough to power the suit indefinitely, and one of eight that powered an enormous disintegration cannon, to the ground, producing a wimpy blast that doesn't even knock Robin off his feet at point-blank range.
    -He also repeatedly states that he can't destroy the suit because it's too volitile. He should have just tied it to an anchor and had Aqualad drop it in the deepest part of the ocean.
    -Maybe he's not a common theif. It's so obvious that Red X is really Slade, who is really Batman. (sarcasm)
    -This bothered me two. Someone should have atleast lost some eyebrows or something.
    31. Haunted
    -In 'Sisters,' Robin said his cape was made of titanium alloy. Also, in 'Winner Take All' Robin reflected lava with the cape. So if his cape is so powerful, how in the world could he have ripped it with his bare hands while fighting a hallucination?
    Because he knew it would look cool....
    Good Point.
    34. Wavelength
    -You'd think Raven could make some sort of bubble around herself when she's underwater to keep from drowning? Or she could at least levitate so she wasn't spinning around the whole time in BB's mouth.
    -How did Brother Blood steal Cyborg's blueprints when he hacked in? It's not like he actually connected to the computer or anything.
    -How is it that Aqualad wrenched the door open in the beginning but he AND Beast Boy together couldn't stop the walls when they were trying to crush them?
    -If she created a bubble, it would quickly run out of oxygen so she would suffocate instead. Plus, it's not as funny that way.
    -Plot Device. Nuff said.
    -Aqualad's new amazing strength in this episode bothered me a lot. Where did it come from? Where did it go? Why would he destroy the door instead of knock or use the communicator? Why is Aqualad such a Wank?

    That was fun.
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    Excellent questions. I loved how two of the few episodes you left out for the sake of logic were Mad Mod and Revolution.

    Teen Titans has always had sloppy writing but it is such a fun show you hardly ever notice. I doubt people would forgive these things if it was as constipated and unfun as The Batman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fone Bone
    Teen Titans has always had sloppy writing but it is such a fun show you hardly ever notice. I doubt people would forgive these things if it was as constipated and unfun as The Batman.
    Quote of the day! Quote of the day!

    That's something I tried to say in a bunch of overintellectualized paragraphs in one of the Teen Titans/The Batman comparison threads but you pretty much summed it up the differences between the two shows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Intensity
    Quote of the day! Quote of the day!

    That's something I tried to say in a bunch of overintellectualized paragraphs in one of the Teen Titans/The Batman comparison threads but you pretty much summed it up the differences between the two shows.

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    re

    Thanx. Here's one I did for "Crash":

    30. Crash
    -WHY THE BLOODY HELL did the Titans go to freakin' Gizmo and not let Beast Boy do it or Fixit? I know they said that BB would just screw up again, but that makes more sense than letting a freakin enemy (or at least I think he is an enemy) shrink down to size and go inside of Cyborg, their freakin' teammate and FRIEND, where Gizmo can cause all types of mayhem.

    And while I'm at it, I decided to go ahead and post some things I noticed about JLU and Static Shock:

    JLU:



    53. Initiation

    -So...where were all these heroes during Star-Crossed? Or Secret Origins? Some of them, if they bear any resemblence to their origins in the comics, have been around since the 1940s.

    54. For the Man Who Has Everything
    -How do aliens know where to send Superman his birthday gifts? His Fortress of Solitude is...well, a place of solitude. Secret. No one on Earth but his closest friends knows about it. Or does Superman use a teleportation forwarding service?
    -If Mongul was planning to take over Earth, then why was he still in the Fortress of Solitude? Shouldn't he have just taken care of Superman once and for all and moved on?

    55. Kid Stuff
    -At least one new League member should have been able to operate on Earth if its similar to its comic incarnation: Red Tornado, which is an android and at least in the comics, has only been around for a few years.


    57. This Little Piggy
    -Why does Circe need a crowbar? She can transform both animate and inanimate matter (she creates walls out of a stone wall and turns a batarang into doves).

    58. Fearful Symmetry
    -If Galatea is an exact clone but aged a few more years, why does she have green eyes when Supergirl's are blue?

    Static Shock (Full of odd things):

    1. Shock to the System
    -If Static made his costume out of clothes he found in his closet, why don't Sharon and/or his dad figure out who he is?

    2. Aftershock
    -While Static's throwing the stuff in the park, he throws a tombstone, which has no metal content whatsoever.
    -Static picks up a car with his powers and uses it to reflect an oncoming flame attack by Hotstreak. How can the car reflect fire???
    -The glass tube Static got trapped in filled with gas very quickly as you see before the commercial; you would assume he would suffocate or be knocked out or something. However, he keeps breathing and thinking of a way to get out, despite the pressure. The most odd thing is that the "pressure" he creates breaks the glass before hurting him at all. The pressure should squeeze and hurt him before breaking the glass.
    -When Virgil faces Hotstreak in his Static costume for the first time, he refers to F-Stop as "Hotstreak" even though F-Stop only called himself that when Static was Virgil. Wouldn't Hotstreak, knowing who he mentioned his new name to, obviously be curious as to how Static could know his name already? And then figure out that Virgil was Static?

    4. Grounded
    -Static lifts the chairs to get those two kids out of the school. The wooden chairs. The non-magnetic wooden chairs . . .

    5. They're Playing My Song
    -When Rubberband Man goes to the studio in the beginning of the episode, he looks at Ice Pack's poster and gets his name and picture off of it. Two problems: 1) How can he read Ice Pack's name, since we later learn that he is dyslexic, and 2) How does he find Mr. Pack with that information?

    20. Pop's Girlfriend
    -The fact that Static was able to launch the lockers containing the mutagenic gas into orbit seems to be a little too exaggerated, doesn't it?

    21. Bad Stretch
    -How do Aquamaria's water powers stop Static's LIGHTNING powers!? That's not possible.
    -What made Aquamaria condense so quickly after Static vaporized her?
    -There are five members of the Breed: Ebon, Talon, Shiv, Aquamaria and Carmen Dillo. However, when Carmen Dillo shows up with coffee, he has six cups. Who was the sixth cup for?

    26. Gear
    -One of the points made is that Gear had a delayed reaction to the Big Bang, or to be more precise, that he absorbed some of the gas from Virgil the day after the Bang. However, using that logic, wouldn't Sharon and Virgil's dad be Bang Babies too?

    36. Toyz in the Hood
    -When there are 2 Daisy's, Static explains how every human has an electrical aura, and uses electricity to find Darcy. However, it shows Superman with a yellow aura, but Superman ISN'T HUMAN. He's Kryptonian.

    38. Flashback
    -Nina goes back in time at the end to prevent herself from ever gaining the ability to time travel in the first place. Afterwards, Richie explains to Virgil that that Nina no longer exists, she is now a normal girl. This means that the entire episode never actually happened. So no one except possibly Nina herself should remember anything, and Virgil would never have met his mother after all. If Nina who is the time traveler does not remember, no one else should. Richie and Virgil should not remember; that version of Static and Gear that remember the adventure should have ceased to exist.

    40. Future Shock
    -When Static and Batman watch the Gear Hologram. The Hologram called him "Virg." If the message is a fake, that must mean that Static's identity is not a secret anymore, or at least that Kobra knew who he was.
    -It would be impossible for Virgil to have seen himself in the future because he would have been gone however many years he went into time.

    43. Fallen Hero
    -The Ring is powered by a millenia-old force harnessed by equally powerful beings and doled out in small portions to those beings found noble and incorruptable enough to use it for good. So, how does a kid with the power to generate lightning manage to power up the Ring?

    45. No Man's an Island
    -Richie was missing for two days. Shouldn't his parents report him as missing? Didn't someone, mainly Static, notice that he was kidnapped?

    48. Where the Rubber Meets the Road
    -Rubberband Man can stretch and possibly create the appearance of clothing with this ability. While getting dressed for his date with Sharon, he is putting on a shirt and tie. He reaches to buzz her in and the sleeve of the shirt stretches too. Any fabric that is not part of his body should not do this. Later at the restaurant, he morphs from his street clothes, which I remind you he put on, into his Rubberband Man suit. Where did the clothing go?

    52. Power Outage
    -Technically, Kangor's boots shouldn't have shrunk, too. They should've slipped off, as they are custom made.

    That's all for now. Stay tuned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fone Bone
    As someone whose opinions I highly respect I thank you.
    Hey, your comment deserves it. Besides, it's much better than overexplaining the concept of "faux realism" to say the same thing.

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    I'll answer a few of your Static questions.
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    Static Shock (Full of odd things):




    4. Grounded
    -Static lifts the chairs to get those two kids out of the school. The wooden chairs. The non-magnetic wooden chairs . . .
    Wood is also a conductor of electricity. Static doesn't have magnetic powers he has electrical powers.



    21. Bad Stretch
    -How do Aquamaria's water powers stop Static's LIGHTNING powers!? That's not possible.
    Static has a weakness to water. It shorts him out. It's been explained elsewhere in the series (Romeo in the Mix)


    36. Toyz in the Hood
    -When there are 2 Daisy's, Static explains how every human has an electrical aura, and uses electricity to find Darcy. However, it shows Superman with a yellow aura, but Superman ISN'T HUMAN. He's Kryptonian.
    I imagine since Kryptonians have similar phsyologies to humans on Krypton it's not too much of a stretch to say they have electrical auras too.



    40. Future Shock

    -It would be impossible for Virgil to have seen himself in the future because he would have been gone however many years he went into time.
    This particular time travel episode was different from any other episode I have ever seen in the fact that Virgil didn't need to find a way home. Richie had already taken care of that in the past. So he was ALWAYS going to go home so he and his future self could actually meet. If he was STRANDED in the future it would have been a different story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red X Unmasked
    5. The Sum of His Parts
    -Fixit recalls memories of his own past above-ground when he downloads Cyborg's memories. Earlier in the episode, he says that he has lived his entire life underground, with no recollection or need for sunlight, food, friendship, etc.
    Without having the episode in front of me, I never thought Fix-it was seeing memories of HIS own past but only those of Cyborg, such as the park and the kid and whatever other random things the animators threw in. I just never thought it was Fix-it's memories...

    Quote Originally Posted by Red X Unmasked
    7. Switched
    -If you need to feel mad to hurl Starbolts, and joy to fly, how can Starfire fly and hurl starbolts at the same time?
    This is a stretch, but maybe she just has ambivalent feelings between happiness and anger in the heat of battle, kind of like an adrenaline rush that leaves you competitive (angry) yet engerized (happy).

    Quote Originally Posted by Red X Unmasked
    8. Deep Six
    -In Switched, Raven said her powers were driven by her emotions. So why didn't stuff blow up or something when she was all ga-ga over Aqualad?
    I sooooo wanted to see that happened, but I don't think the story editors keep as tight an operation as is necessary for this show; otherwise, "Deep Six" would have played off Raven's emotions from "Nevermore" and "Switched."

    Quote Originally Posted by Red X Unmasked
    13. Car Trouble
    -Why would there be emergency sprinklers in an electronics store? That would kinda ruin the electronics.
    -When they're after Gizmo, why Raven just doesn't use her power to levitate and stop the T-Car since the chase starts, as she did with the two bad boys in the burger restaurant and as she does with Gizmo and his parachute?
    -Why would you take Overload, a piece of circuitry, to prison? Wouldn't you just destroy it?
    1. This was discussed in another topic; you would rather put the fire out in an emergency and wreck your equipment instead of have a fire destroy the entire building. However, I doubt it would that easy to get the sprinklers to work in something like an electronics store. [See also "Fear Itself" with the video store full of video tapes that should be kept dry.]
    2. Plot hole. Darn.
    3. Usual comic book show logic: treating robots like humans. I don't know why they did it either.

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    14. How Long Is Forever?
    -When Starfire first meets future Cyborg, he tells her that he tried to make a portable powercell but failed. Later in the show, Cyborg comes to help the titans fight and his power powercell is fixed. If Cyborg had twenty years to fix his powercell, why did it take him such a short amount of time to fix it later?
    -Warp says that he read the historical articles about the teen titans. Wouldn't they say that Warp was defeated? If so, why would he even try going back? He himself said that you cannot change the past, because it has already happened.
    1. This was discussed, and I don't have any good explanation.
    2. Warp had read that the Titans did not defeat him, but Starfire's defeat of Warp countered that idea, proving, as she said, that the past can change the future. [...Which makes me wonder if BB will actually go bald. ]

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    17. Only Human
    -How is it at the beginning of the episode when Cy and Atlas are fighting IN THE OCEAN the water is only ankle deep?
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    18. Fear Itself
    -Beast Boy said that he had never heard of Control Freak but Cyborg later, while in the Evidence Room, says that they have 10 of his Remotes.
    Cyborg meant the Titans had 10 of their own remotes (such as for the TV, the DVD player, the VCR, the stereo, etc.), so he was implying Control Freak (who they never met before) probably also had 10 remotes.

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    20. Transformation
    -So, how exactly did the others track Starfire down? The universe in a pretty big place.
    Just assume that they were able to follow the correct planets (thanks to Robin's detective skills)...yeah, that's a pretty weak explanation.

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    22. Winner Take All
    -Somehow the Master of Games gains the ability to breath blasts of water. Presumably he gets it from Aqualad, but Aqualad doesn't have the power to shoot water from his body.
    -So Robin's bowstaff couldn't snap Speedy's bow, but Robin's foot can?
    1. Don't know. It's kind of like how the Master was able to shoot out arrows when all Speedy can do is just aim well; it's inconsistent.
    2. Maybe he weakened the bow with his staff before the final kick.

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    23. Betrayal
    -Why does Beast Boy have a huge rectangular hole in the outside wall of his room? The tower is supposed to be locked down for the night, and flying up to that floor would be trivial for any number of villains.
    Figured it was a window that he left open.

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    25. Aftershock (1)
    -If Robin and Cyborg destroyed Plasmus using the sonicboom before, why not they just do it again to get it over with?
    -Assuming Raven was drowned in mud, Starfire was flung off a cliff (and appeared to make no effort to save herself), Cyborg & Beast Boy were dropped into the fault line created by Terra, & Robin got his skull crushed in, how do they all manage to survive, communicate & find each other in that pit, & come off of the whole thing without a scratch?
    1. Why didn't they do it also in "Transformation"? It's inconsistent continuity.
    2. This has also been discussed a lot, and there is no good explanation.

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    26. Aftershock (2)
    -This is a geological error. Terra quickly cooled the lava to save the city. The rock she is made of ans around her is obsidian. Obsidian is slowly cooled lava. It should have been pumice. Pumice is rapidly cooled lava and has holes in it. She would have been able to breathe, talk, all the stuff.
    -Early in the episode, Terra mentions how quiet the city is -- now that the people are gone. If the city was abandoned, why was it necessary to stop the volcano? (It really diminishes the impact of the ending if Terra died to save empty buildings...)
    I got nothing to say; these are such good criticisms.

    As for why Robin never uses the Red X outfit and equipment: As "X" addressd (in a great show of continuity), xynothium is too dangerous to use at all times and is in such limited supply that Robin could not risk using it beyond a one-time infilitration that would finally bring Slade down. Too bad, as Red X Unmasked stated, we saw little of that damage aside from X's powers and the professor's death ray.

    As for Aqualad's strength: In the comics, Aquaman has great strength because he can endure the pressures of the deep ocean; I figure his protege can do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fone Bone
    I'll answer a few of your Static questions. Wood is also a conductor of electricity. Static doesn't have magnetic powers he has electrical powers. Static has a weakness to water. It shorts him out. It's been explained elsewhere in the series (Romeo in the Mix) I imagine since Kryptonians have similar phsyologies to humans on Krypton it's not too much of a stretch to say they have electrical auras too. This particular time travel episode was different from any other episode I have ever seen in the fact that Virgil didn't need to find a way home. Richie had already taken care of that in the past. So he was ALWAYS going to go home so he and his future self could actually meet. If he was STRANDED in the future it would have been a different story.
    The other interesting point about this is that it means future static KNEW the message Cobra made was a fake and would lead him to a trap, and walked into it because he knew his past self would save him. Now that gets your head going...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fone Bone
    This particular time travel episode was different from any other episode I have ever seen in the fact that Virgil didn't need to find a way home. Richie had already taken care of that in the past. So he was ALWAYS going to go home so he and his future self could actually meet. If he was STRANDED in the future it would have been a different story.
    Assuming its the future Static went to is in the same timeline he's originally from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarharhar
    The other interesting point about this is that it means future static KNEW the message Cobra made was a fake and would lead him to a trap, and walked into it because he knew his past self would save him. Now that gets your head going...
    I thought that was cool too. He probably knew his Future self needed to be as great a hero as he was to keep going. That was an awesome twist.

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    As for why Robin never uses the Red X outfit and equipment: As "X" addressd (in a great show of continuity), xynothium is too dangerous to use at all times and is in such limited supply that Robin could not risk using it beyond a one-time infilitration that would finally bring Slade down. Too bad, as Red X Unmasked stated, we saw little of that damage aside from X's powers and the professor's death ray.
    Well you're right about that, but if you ask me, Robin put too much power into a suit he was only planning to use once...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red X Unmasked
    Well you're right about that, but if you ask me, Robin put too much power into a suit he was only planning to use once...
    Well I mean, he needed something that would let him take on all his teamates at the same time. And unlike in apprentice, they didn't know they were fighting a friend so they would be going at him full force. he had to make it strong to look good for slade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarharhar
    Well I mean, he needed something that would let him take on all his teamates at the same time. And unlike in apprentice, they didn't know they were fighting a friend so they would be going at him full force. he had to make it strong to look good for slade.
    But then again, he could've just used the dissapearing ability to vanish from the other Titans, therefore avoiding any conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red X Unmasked
    2. Sisters
    -Starfire's been on Earth longer, so why doesn't she sound more human that Blackfire? Remember, Blackie uses Earth slang and idioms even though it's her first time here, but Starfire still sounds kind of like she's retarded (no offense intended, that was just the only term that I could think of.)
    Tamaranians learn to speak new languages by making physical contact with another person. In the comic, Starfire learned English by kissing Robin. It could be Blackfire is better at absorbing languages than Starfire. After all, they were trying to show that Blackfire was better than Starfire at everything.

    7. Switched
    -If you need to feel mad to hurl Starbolts, and joy to fly, how can Starfire fly and hurl starbolts at the same time?
    Maybe Starfire can control her emotions enough to feel several at the same time. While Raven must hide her emotions, Starfire is used to feeling more than one at a time. That would explain why Starfire had such a hard time remaining calm in Raven's body.

    17. Only Human
    -How is it at the beginning of the episode when Cy and Atlas are fighting IN THE OCEAN the water is only ankle deep?
    Well, they were fairly close to land. There might've been a few shallow spots for them to stand on.

    22. Winner Take All
    -So Robin's bowstaff couldn't snap Speedy's bow, but Robin's foot can?
    Unless you're stuck in a wheelchair or need a cain, your legs are usually stronger than your arms. Swinging his bo with his arms wouldn't be as strong as a kick with his metal-lined boots.

    28. X
    -Robin is an obvious genius in the series. This being true, how does a common thief break through Cyborg's defense system then into Robin's super vault, then leave with out any one noticing?
    I think the answer lies in X's true identity. I stand by the theory that he's Robin from the future.

    30. Crash
    -WHY THE BLOODY HELL did the Titans go to freakin' Gizmo and not let Beast Boy do it or Fixit? I know they said that BB would just screw up again, but that makes more sense than letting a freakin enemy (or at least I think he is an enemy) shrink down to size and go inside of Cyborg, their freakin' teammate and FRIEND, where Gizmo can cause all types of mayhem.
    Yeah, that really pished me off, too.

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    55. Kid Stuff
    -At least one new League member should have been able to operate on Earth if its similar to its comic incarnation: Red Tornado, which is an android and at least in the comics, has only been around for a few years.
    I also wonder if the teenagers (Robin, Supergirl) disappeared as well. They could've helped.

    58. Fearful Symmetry
    -If Galatea is an exact clone but aged a few more years, why does she have green eyes when Supergirl's are blue?
    Maybe Kara eyes will turn green as she gets older. Or maybe Galatea was wearing colored contact lenses, to distance herself (visually) from Supergirl. Note also the showing of cleavage and short haircut.

    Static Shock (Full of odd things):

    1. Shock to the System
    -If Static made his costume out of clothes he found in his closet, why don't Sharon and/or his dad figure out who he is?
    Same reason nobody suspects Clark Kent is Superman. Virgil is such an un-outgoing nerd, he's simply the last person you'd suspect of being a flashy superhero... despite the obvious clues.

    26. Gear
    -One of the points made is that Gear had a delayed reaction to the Big Bang, or to be more precise, that he absorbed some of the gas from Virgil the day after the Bang. However, using that logic, wouldn't Sharon and Virgil's dad be Bang Babies too?
    They might be. Maybe, like Rich, they simply haven't noticed any changes. Or maybe Rich inhaled/absorbed more gas from being around Virgil longer.

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    I think the answer lies in X's true identity. I stand by the theory that he's Robin from the future.
    Nice guess, but I highly doubt that. The identity of Red X will remain secret for a LONG time, if the writers decide not to have him reveal his identity in Season 4.
    I think the best theory as to who Red X is the theory that it might be Speedy (though yet again this is highly unlikely but it makes the most sense).
    Theory:

    Aqualad is also working with Speedy, and Aqualad has informed him of the incident at the HIVE academy (Deception). Speedy decides to prepare himself or something of that sort, and tries to develop new types of powerful arrows. He needs a great power source, but finds nothing he can obtain. That's when the thought of obtaining zynothium for his arrows or whatever he's making pops into his head. Seeing as how zynothium is illegal for even superheroes to own, he talks to Chang to get some and finds out he can't get any cause it's all gone to Robin to power his Red X suit. Speedy finds this out and decides to sneak into Titans tower and gets the suit. Once he obtains it, he finds out that the suit has little zynothium left in it, and it's not enough to power his project, so he decides to go out and find more zynothium disquised as Red X so he won't get in trouble or anything. Then that's where "X" begins.

    Though this theory is probably not true, it makes the most sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManicWebb
    I think the answer lies in X's true identity. I stand by the theory that he's Robin from the future.
    Uh, why would Robin come to the past to become a theif. He's a hero after all, so first, why bother coming back in time, and then on top of that, why bother becoming a theif.

    Why does Red X have to be SOMEONE? Can't he just be anyone? Does he have to be an established character? Why? Why? Why? Why? Ok I'll stop now.
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    Why does Red X have to be SOMEONE? Can't he just be anyone? Does he have to be an established character? Why? Why? Why? Why? Ok I'll stop now.
    Good question. And I have the answer: Fans. Fans want to know who he is. And fans get what they want. So sooner or later the writers are gonna have to reveal or at least hint who he is (I prefer hint). I wouldn't mind them showing Red X's true identity, but if they were to do so, I kind of hope that the identity is not based off of a character from the comics, for the simple reason that it'd be to confusing. I mean who else can they use from the comics and how can they tie him to Red X and the other Titans? But on the other hand if it weren't someone from the comics, then we'd have a brand new character on our hands whose been given too much power, ie being able to get past Robin and Cyborg's nearly impenetrable defenses, and who probably won't have any limit as to what else he can do without the suit. And it would be even more hard and confusing trying to fit this new character in with the Titans storyline and junk.
    But in the mean time, I'll just stick with my theory that it's Speedy or GeoForce.
    Here's my theory on how it can be GeoForce:
    Geoforce finds out that his sister Terra has been turned into stone (not knowing about her past connecions with Slade) and wants to revert her back to normal. Everything he tries he fails at. But then he discovers a cure for her, and the core ingredient for it is zynothium. However, due to how illegal it is and how even heroes can't have it, he decides to go talk to a supplier Chang. Chang tells him he gave the last bit to Robin a while back to power his Red X suit. GeoForce decides to go to the Tower and get the suit for its power source (he can't just ask the Titans for it because they probably won't believe him seeing as how he is the brother of a former Titan who was a traitor) so he steals the suit, but finds out that it has very little power left, so he decides to go out and find more of it with help from the Red X suit.

    But that theory kind of doesn't make sense, cause if it was true, then why'd Red X say that he's just looking out for himself, when in theory he was looking out for a loved one. Obviously he wouldn't come right out and say it, but he should've said something along those lines. Oh well.

    Anyone but me thinks that Red X should get his very own comic series? I had an idea for it and how it could go.
    Tim Drake is discovered by his father to be Robin, and has to give up the mantle and come home. Weeks past and life is returning to normal for young Tim, but then his father gets in trouble with some big time criminals and owes some money. Tim finds this out and wants to help, but his father won't stand for it. Tim thinks to himself that he's gonna help anyway. That's when Tim's father's time is up and he gets kidnapped by the thugs. Tim manages to get into contact with the men and tell them that he get all the money that his father owes them. He says that he knows someone that can help, and the crooks give him time to find the someone that can help and and bring them their money.
    Secretly, Tim had been working on a new identity so he can continue crime fighting without his father knowing as someone else instead of Robin. He decides to put the costume to good use and dons the name Red X (NOTE: This costume won't be powered by zynothium. It'll be a regular costume with extra cool gadgets) and goes to go steal the money that he needs for his father. This gets him into trouble with law and earns him a bad name. He later ends up rescuing his father defeats the crooks.
    His father realizes that Red X is his son, and seeing as how he saved his life as the one thing he didn't want him to be in the first place because he felt it was too dangerous, he decided he could continue crimefighting, but only if he could help him in the process (Kind of like being his Oracle). The two agree and Tim gives up being Robin for good and is now Red X.
    What do you think?
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    Well, fans don't always get what they want. The head writer for Teen Titans has already stated that he doesn't really plan to reveal Red X's identity, (He said if he was going to, he'd have done it in X.) so unless he changes his mind, I don't think we're going to find out.
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