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    Get J'onn Out of the Watchtower!

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    I'm sure I speak for many in this regard. Having J'onn perpetually in the Watchtower is a waste of a terrific character.

    They need to get him out in the field, and also using his powers more imaginatively, especially for initial reconnaisance.

    In fact, there's no reason he can't be an "overseer" in the role of field commander. I could easily see the following scenerio:

    1. J'onn decides to go down himself--getting cabin fever in the satellite--and investigate a report of some unknown villain(s) causing mayhem.

    2. Takes maybe one other character with him, someone else with versatile powers (Supergirl, Metamorpho, etc.)

    3. Initial battle with villain group (Fatal Five, anyone? ), fares poorly. Initial reaction is "who the hell are these guys?", but accurately sizes up their powers and potential weaknesses after the battle.

    4. Calls up to Watchtower, says, "Hey, we've really stepped in it down here. I need Flash, Dr. Fate, Red Tornado, and Hourman to properly counter these guys. Beam 'em down here ASAP!" [oh, and "Here's the 411 on what's happened, in case we don't make it back out."]

    5. GL, on monitor duty: "Dr. Fate's on another mission, but Johnny Thunder/Thunderbolt's available".

    6. J'onn: "Dang. No Zatanna? Okay, send them."

    5. Reinforcements arrive, and after a fiercely contested battle, they win because J'onn chose wisely.

    Is that kind of plot so unreasonable to expect?
    “What are your powers again?"
    "Increasing an object's mass. And ignoring bombs."
    "That would explain the pit in the East Plaza. How far did you sink it before it detonated?"
    "To about natural gas-pocket level."
    "That would explain the fire in the East Plaza."


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    Having J'onn on 24 hour a day monitor duty does suck. But he is virtually the only Leaguer who can do it because he doesn't have anything else to do. Being a hero or saving the world is his only job. That said I would like to see him take a break and maybe let Bat's or John Stewart hand out some missions. They are more than competent. J'onn needs to shake some of that watchtower rust off and get into battle. He is too powerful just to sit on the sidelines.

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    They might play something off of this. That's what I think anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMahler
    I remember back when the first Season 3 rumors were coming in, one of them was that J'onn would play a key role. Who would have thought that being on constant monitor duty would be considered a "key" role?

    This also makes me suspicous about
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    Bruce Timm's comment about "Fearful Symmetry" in which he says that J'onn is a supporting character. Technically, he was a supporting character in "Hawk and Dove." Maybe I'll be surprised.
    Given what's on CN's synopsis of Fearful Symmetry,

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    it seems telepathy would be useful to Supergirl in that episode...


    I would have less of a problem with monitor duty being a "key role" if they had him more involved the way he was in Initiation. Particularly using his smarts about assigning team members as I've described above. What we got in Hawk and Dove just doesn't cut it.

    But get the poor guy out for some exercise, at least. It's not that he spends time in the satellite because he has no life. It's that he has no life because he spends all his time in a satellite.
    “What are your powers again?"
    "Increasing an object's mass. And ignoring bombs."
    "That would explain the pit in the East Plaza. How far did you sink it before it detonated?"
    "To about natural gas-pocket level."
    "That would explain the fire in the East Plaza."


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    I agree; J'onn can do some of the Watchtower work, but let him go out in the field every once in awhile, and make his role at the Watchtower more important and fleshed out (more like "Initiation" than "Hawk and Dove," as Legionaire explained). J'onn is way too cool to just be thrown so carelessly to the side, after all.

    And, while they're at it, maybe they could have Flash, I don't know, actually EXIST on the show...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GMahler
    I remember back when the first Season 3 rumors were coming in, one of them was that J'onn would play a key role. Who would have thought that being on constant monitor duty would be considered a "key" role?

    This also makes me suspicous about
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    Bruce Timm's comment about "Fearful Symmetry" in which he says that J'onn is a supporting character. Technically, he was a supporting character in "Hawk and Dove." Maybe I'll be surprised.
    All J'onn is now is a supporting character who has logged maybe 4 minutes of screen time.

    But atleast he has said something. The Flash hasnt spoke since last years Starcrossed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloria Harp
    And, while they're at it, maybe they could have Flash, I don't know, actually EXIST on the show...
    Maybe, just maybe, out of all those heroes... he FINALLY got somebody to go on that long-awaited roadtrip with him

    Yeah, If J'onn is spending all his time in the watchtower (haven't seen JLU yet, damn you geographical placement!), then he definatly needs more love! He's such a great chracter they can build on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtificialIdiot
    Maybe, just maybe, out of all those heroes... he FINALLY got somebody to go on that long-awaited roadtrip with him
    LOL! Except I was hoping he'd finally drag GL on that trip...hmm, maybe he got another Green Lantern to go with him (Kyle Rayner, anyone? :anime: ).
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    j'onn (as you all prob know) is one of my favorite superheros - ever. keeping him cooped up in the watchtower would not be portraying his character correctly. i mean, if the JL approached J'onn and said "yea...um - were gonna have to ask to keep you on watchtower duty...umm..forever..yea.." come on - lol I think if that happened J'onn would just quit the league all together.

    not to mention, with all of the powers that J'onn has, he should be the LAST one on monitor duty. put like Dove up there lol. give J'onn a break.
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    Considering that J'onn is quite possibly the most powerful member of the team, I can't claim to understand this decision either.

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    Well to his credit J'onn is also one of the oldest and wisest members of the team as well as one of its most powerful and among the core team no one else is quite as suited for the job as he is. Although the Dove suggestion isn't bad. I like Dove's out look on things and wouldnt mind seeing more of the character. Timm and company have once again made me like a character that before hand I didn't really care about.
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    If we're resigned to having J'onn on monitor duty most of the time, with only supporting roles, then let's see a J'onn only episode!

    Kind of a "day in the life" sort of thing. Anatomy of a monitor shift.

    Show him handing out assignments, evaluating progress, even grading the performance of heroes or combinations of heroes. He can interact with others up in the watchtower (the ones wandering back and forth in the cameos). Let us see him chafe at being up there all the time, and how he handles not going out on "away teams".

    I think that kind of episode would have great potential, and am sure b.t. and co. would do it...ahem...justice.
    “What are your powers again?"
    "Increasing an object's mass. And ignoring bombs."
    "That would explain the pit in the East Plaza. How far did you sink it before it detonated?"
    "To about natural gas-pocket level."
    "That would explain the fire in the East Plaza."


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    J'Onn has been very active in the last two seasons of Justice League. Its time for other new characters to appear on the spotlight for once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legionaire
    If we're resigned to having J'onn on monitor duty most of the time, with only supporting roles, then let's see a J'onn only episode!

    Kind of a "day in the life" sort of thing. Anatomy of a monitor shift.

    Show him handing out assignments, evaluating progress, even grading the performance of heroes or combinations of heroes. He can interact with others up in the watchtower (the ones wandering back and forth in the cameos). Let us see him chafe at being up there all the time, and how he handles not going out on "away teams".

    I think that kind of episode would have great potential, and am sure b.t. and co. would do it...ahem...justice.
    That sounds like it would be pretty interesting. Lets see... handing out assignments, water cooler talk with other heroes, J'onn asking the watchtower janitor how his family is and the all important oreo snack break. Hell just to make it even more interesting have him discover a spy on the watch tower who turns out to be a supervillain and have him flex his muscle and kick a little booty also.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight
    Hell just to make it even more interesting have him discover a spy on the watch tower who turns out to be a supervillain and have him flex his muscle and kick a little booty also.
    Even better! Certainly, with all those civilians they're going to get infiltrated eventually...
    “What are your powers again?"
    "Increasing an object's mass. And ignoring bombs."
    "That would explain the pit in the East Plaza. How far did you sink it before it detonated?"
    "To about natural gas-pocket level."
    "That would explain the fire in the East Plaza."


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    I gotta go with the bring back Flash thing. Sorry, but atleast MM gets to cameo and support with about 3 lines each episode...Flash still hasn't really even appeared. Talk about sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warmachine04
    J'Onn has been very active in the last two seasons of Justice League. Its time for other new characters to appear on the spotlight for once.
    He has? I don't think there were very many episodes that focused on him at all. "A Knight of Shadows" and "Tabula Rasa" had focuses on him, and he had a subplot in "Comfort & Joy"... but that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warmachine04
    J'Onn has been very active in the last two seasons of Justice League. Its time for other new characters to appear on the spotlight for once.

    What new char? Only 2 new char has appered in this series. Super girl don`t count cause shes from the STAS. H&D are one shot char that I can do whitout. yet there still no excues to push old char like marvin&flash out of the series for new char that most people won`t like.

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    Ever since 'JLU' was announced I was dreading the stuff-ups that were going to happen. Since then with all the 'it's the same old show, we're just doing a couple of pseudo-alterations and then it'll be the same again' explanations - that's how I perceive it anyway - I've gradually gotten much more optimistic. The only thing I still don't like is what is happening to J'onn. I'm hoping this'll change too, I like others have to wait extra long for JLU and I'll be patient and wait for my J'onn-heavy stories!

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    It's still too early to complain about there not being enough J'onn. As the guy who hands out missions and expositional info, he's probably going to appear a lot more frequently than any of the other original 6 (with the exception of Batman). He'll always be there to fill the new superheroes in on whats going on. Even if we won't see J'onn in action as much, he'll never be completely absent like Flash has so far.

    And who says J'onn won't see any action? He's still the DCAU's resident telepath. He's been mentioned for "Fearful Symmetry" and I'm guessing he'll appear in "The Return", since he was key in stopping that episode's returning villain the first time around. By the time JLU ends, I think J'onn's "field action" episodes will be on par with the rest of the original 6.
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