Wonder Woman the revelations (possible Spoilers)

[Knight]

Even though some people have complained about WW increased screen time there are still a lot of things about her we don't know. One thing in particular that I want to touch on are her powers. In Hawk and Dove it was revealed that WW armor has a weakness. Why it would have one I don't know. This is something totally different from the comic book version of the character which has lead me to thinking. What if all of Diana's powers come from the suit she stole during Secret Origins and are not a natural gift from the gods like they were in the comics. Maybe without it Diana is as normal as her Amazon sisters. No flight, No increased strength, speed and durability. Nothing. We have already been robbed of a lot of Diana's comic book origins so it wouldn't surprise me if they took away her being a special product of the gods. So Although I don't like the idea of Diana's abilities possibly coming from a suit it wouldn't be too shocking.

Also The fact that her mother had the armor made means that it is special in some way. It would also make sense for her mother to have has used it at some point in the past. That would make for an interesting flashback story seeing Hippolyta in the Wonder Woman outfit something I would love to see.

Comments-

[WonderRaver]

Diana wasn't wearing her armor under that casual outfit (you could see her midriff), although she was wearing her bracelets.

-Matt

[WonderRaver]

(channeling Uncle from Jackie Chan Adventures) One more thing...

In the paperback "The Gauntlet", which is one of the Justice League young readers' series, the author (Louise Simonson IIRC) did have the costume as the source of some of Diana's powers, like flight and enhanced strength. Incidentally, the author also gave Diana's origin, which included the gods bestowing gifts upon baby Di. It was a good read, even if it doesn't seem like it is really part of continuity (there is this whole bit with Darkseid... oh I won't spoil it).

-Matt

[Knight]

Diana wasn't wearing her armor under that casual outfit (you could see her midriff), although she was wearing her bracelets.

-Matt

That is correct. I would have to go back and watch Secret Origins but did she steal some additional bracelets when she took the outfit? Traditionally all Amazons wear bracelets as a reminder of there imprisonment by Hercules (at least in the comics I don't know why they wear them in the animated world) so she should have already had some on before she took the ones alongside the WW suit. I don't see any reason to change out her bracelets unless the ones she took had something special about them as well.

[WonderRaver]

The bracelets were part of the costume she took from the Temple of Athena. The only part of her costume not seen were the star-field bloomers.



Notice too that the bustier looks to be cloth and not armor. Who knows, maybe the "weakness in the armor" thing will never come to pass.

One more thing... remember that Aresia was trained to be an Amazon and "mystically endowed with Amazon strength". In "Fury", she was shown deflecting flaming arrows with her gold(?) bracelets, as well as tossing Superman around. She was basically Diana's equal sans flight.

-Matt

[BlackoutCreature]

I still think that the best way to explain off Diana's added powers compared to the other Amazons is that Hades is her father. Hippolyta and Hades probably had a "get together" shortly before Hades betrayed her, and Hippolyta didnt discover the pregnancy until after Hades was banished to Tartarus (and of course Hades never found out). Of course this would mean Diana also wouldnt know, but considering the rather naive Wonder Woman we saw in the first season, i dont think thats too big of a jump.

[WonderRaver]

That would make Diana really old, because Hades was banished a long time ago, or at least that is what was implied. Of course, there is nothing preventing Diana being a couple of millennia old.

Still, it was also implied in "Maid of Honor" that Diana was born from clay like her comic-book counterpart. Audrey said Diana had "feet of clay", to which Diana responded, "You have no idea".

-Matt

[Knight]

That would make Diana really old, because Hades was banished a long time ago, or at least that is what was implied. Of course, there is nothing preventing Diana being a couple of millennia old.

Still, it was also implied in "Maid of Honor" that Diana was born from clay like her comic-book counterpart. Audrey said Diana had "feet of clay", to which Diana responded, "You have no idea".

-Matt

I agree. From Maid Of Honor we are lead to beleive atleast the clay aspect of her origins are still there if nothing else.

[Legionaire]

While I don't think WW's powers do (or should) come from her costume--at least in the DCAU--there was a time in the comics where her flight power came from her sandals. Winged, naturally, as they were a gift from Hermes.

And I'm not at all sure that we'll see anything about her armor's "weakness" again in JLU. There had to be a reason for the flaw in the Annihilator armor, and the old "I put a weakness into everything I make" is as good a reason as any. Once you've gone there, you have to at least address the fact that since Hephaestus made Diana's armor, there must be a weakness. (Otherwise all us fanboys/girls would be complaining about how they didn't address the fact that her armor must have a weakness... )

But I don't believe that's necessarily a setup for anything. Still, as my wife reminds me, I'm often wrong...

[Harley_Quinn]

Personally, I agree with the previous poster, I think it was just something thrown in there to move the plot along, not anything concrete.

I don't think BT and company would wait so long for such a revalation esp. since it so far off from any version of the comics. I think GL has been used to a decent extent already anyway, i.e. powerless without his ring. Just my 2 cents.

[Mr. Obsession]

That would make Diana really old, because Hades was banished a long time ago, or at least that is what was implied. Of course, there is nothing preventing Diana being a couple of millennia old.

Still, it was also implied in "Maid of Honor" that Diana was born from clay like her comic-book counterpart. Audrey said Diana had "feet of clay", to which Diana responded, "You have no idea".

-Matt

Well the dialog from "Paradise Lost" when WW was in the museum implied that Diana personally knew whoever it was that made the Greek pottery she was looking at. That would certainly make her old enough. And don't the Amazons in the comics become ageless once they grow up?

Who knows, if Hades really is her father maybe Hippolyta, I don't know, lied to Diana. Given the general sentiment towards Hades in Amazonian society wouldn't it make sense that Hippolyta might feel the need to protect her daughter from the truth and make Diana believe she was just like the others?

Really, based off some dialog from both "Paradise Lost" and "Maid of Honor" it could go either way. And I'd be fine with that.

Personally I'm hoping that the upcoming episode "This Little Piggy" will shed some more light on Diana's background, or the Amazons in general, since we're getting more of the Greek gods.

Spoiler:

And with Circe apparently banishing WW to hell I'm really hoping we get another Hades appearance out of the deal, or at least Felix Faust. They're both overdue for a return appearance.

[BlackoutCreature]

That would make Diana really old, because Hades was banished a long time ago, or at least that is what was implied. Of course, there is nothing preventing Diana being a couple of millennia old.

Still, it was also implied in "Maid of Honor" that Diana was born from clay like her comic-book counterpart. Audrey said Diana had "feet of clay", to which Diana responded, "You have no idea".

-Matt

Yeah, but as the poster before me said, thats hardly concrete proof and Hippolyta wouldve had every reason to lie. I can see a conversation between Flash and Diana after she finds out -

Diana: Hades is my father?
Flash: I guess, why? who did u think was your dad?
Diana: my mother always told me i was a clay statue given life by the gods.
Flash: and u believed that?

[Martianman606]

yo guys - lol just b/c the suit has a weakness, that doesn't mean that the weakness will totally and utterly just strip WW of her powers. it's already been said that she was born w/ them - blessed by the gods w/ her powers when she was born (or molded or whatever). her powers dont come from her suit (atleast not in the cartoon they dont) and I dont think her powers come from her suit in any of the current comics she's been in either.

[WonderRaver]

Yeah, but as the poster before me said, thats hardly concrete proof and Hippolyta wouldve had every reason to lie.

I never said it was concrete proof. I said it was implied.

Hey, and your theory about Hippy lying wouldn't be too far off. In both Pre-Crisis and Post-Crisis lore, Diana's mom has deceived her daughter to "protect her".

-Matt

[WonderRaver]

yo guys - lol just b/c the suit has a weakness, that doesn't mean that the weakness will totally and utterly just strip WW of her powers.

One more thing...

even if the armor augments Diana's powers, she is still an Amazon. Sure she wouldn't be as strong as Superman or fly, but she could still kick butt.

Thinking more on it, I almost wouldn't mind the armor being used in that way. As long as she got to show how capable she is even without her powers.

-Matt

[Collabo]

One more thing...

even if the armor augments Diana's powers, she is still an Amazon. Sure she wouldn't be as strong as Superman or fly, but she could still kick butt.

Thinking more on it, I almost wouldn't mind the armor being used in that way. As long as she got to show how capable she is even without her powers.

-Matt

Hmmmm correct me if I'm wrong but don't the Amazon's have the ability to fly in the comics? Or is this just for the comics... And not DCAU...

[Knight]

Hmmmm correct me if I'm wrong but don't the Amazon's have the ability to fly in the comics? Or is this just for the comics... And not DCAU...

The only Amazon that can naturally fly is Diana although her mother had the ability to do so also with the use of Hermes sandles.

yo guys - lol just b/c the suit has a weakness, that doesn't mean that the weakness will totally and utterly just strip WW of her powers. it's already been said that she was born w/ them - blessed by the gods w/ her powers when she was born (or molded or whatever). her powers dont come from her suit (atleast not in the cartoon they dont) .

Actually the source of her power in animated universe has never been revealed (something Im hoping they will clear up soon). People are just assuming its not too far off her comic book origins. The only thing we have so far is a throw away line about "clay feet" from Maid Of Honor and thats it.

[TheHuntressDiana]

Hmmmm correct me if I'm wrong but don't the Amazon's have the ability to fly in the comics? Or is this just for the comics... And not DCAU...

The only Amazon that can naturally fly is Diana although her mother had the ability to do so also with the use of Hermes sandles.

Knight is correct.

The Sandals from Hermes basically allow anyone to fly. This was also how Artemis was able to fly during her brief stint as Wonder Woman.

[Martianman606]

Actually the source of her power in animated universe has never been revealed (something Im hoping they will clear up soon). People are just assuming its not too far off her comic book origins. The only thing we have so far is a throw away line about "clay feet" from Maid Of Honor and thats it.

well, actually, your half right but half wrong. your right in the sense that the source of her powers in the actual tv show (the animated universe) has yet to be revealed. which, I too, hope to get an answer soon. But, on the official Justice League Unlimited website on CartoonNetwork.com, I read the bio they gave for Wonder Woman. It stated that she didn't get the powers from her suit - that she was "blessed by the gods" w/ speed, strength, flight yadda yadda yadda. As much as I don't want to admit, Cartoon Network kinda does have the final word on as to where Diana got her powers from, seeing as how the show is on their channel and all

-Martianman606
(ps - how do I make it so it shows who Originally posted the context of my quote? i could never figure that out)

[Knight]

well, actually, your half right but half wrong. your right in the sense that the source of her powers in the actual tv show (the animated universe) has yet to be revealed. which, I too, hope to get an answer soon. But, on the official Justice League Unlimited website on CartoonNetwork.com, I read the bio they gave for Wonder Woman. It stated that she didn't get the powers from her suit - that she was "blessed by the gods" w/ speed, strength, flight yadda yadda yadda. As much as I don't want to admit, Cartoon Network kinda does have the final word on as to where Diana got her powers from, seeing as how the show is on their channel and all

I had forgotten that she even had a listed bio thanks. But I wouldn't say the Cartoon Network has the final say on where she got her powers from. Timm and Company created the show, the Cartoon Network for the most part just broadcasts it. I don't think they determine who can do what and where there powers come from on all there multitude of shows they have running. That's generally left to the creators although Im sure CN has some input and there are guidlines (I beleive no vampires is one). So I would certainly hope that Timm doesn't have to get permission from them to decide where someone's powers came from.

-Martianman606

(ps - how do I make it so it shows who Originally posted the context of my quote? i could never figure that out)

At the bottom right of each persons posts is a area that says "quote" just press that and the post you are responding will be added to your own post.