"Wolverine: Origin" #1 - 6 Mini-Series Talkback (Spoilers)

**James Harvey** · 09-06-2001, 03:48 PM

So, what does everyone think of the first issue to what will be a historic comic event?

WOLVERINE: ORIGIN

Written by: Paul Jenkins
Art by: Andy Kubert

This romantic period piece defied industry expectations. At long last, all is revealed about the incredible forces that molded Wolverine, the world's most perfect killing machine with a heart as big as the great outdoors.

Thoughts? Opinions? Comments?

**Clayface** · 09-07-2001, 02:56 PM

I didn't notice that it came out this week! I went to the comic shop yesterday, but I don't remember seeing it on the shelves. So, I'm gonna stop on the way home today and see if its there. If I find it, I'll let you know what I thought of it once I read it.

**Mr. Eye** · 09-07-2001, 03:15 PM

I was going to buy it, but my comic store didn't get any copies of it. Damn Diamond and their screw-ups.

Mr. Eye

**James Harvey** · 09-07-2001, 03:21 PM

From what I hear, the book was vastly under-ordered. Retailers were expecting sales of about 140, 000 copies (40 more than X-Men), and so far it is estimated that there is demand for over 200, 000 copies of the book. The crappy news? Marvel's new "no reprint" policy will screw over more than 60, 000 people who will have to wait more than six months for the trade paperback.'

My retailer ordered 100 copies (the first time he's done that since Spawn #1) and he ran out before noon.

**Clayface** · 09-07-2001, 03:27 PM

Well, I just called my comic book shop. Looks like it will be no problem getting a copy - they've got over 300 copies in the store right now! Don't know how I missed it yesterday though!

**James Harvey** · 09-07-2001, 03:31 PM

Lucky! The retailer is trying to get more copies somehow, but can't seem to with Marvel's "no reorder" policy. He's been calling other comic shops across the country to try and get even five or ten. It seems all the media coverage on this (tv, newspaper, comics, etc...) has caused an overwhelming demand.

**Clayface** · 09-07-2001, 03:49 PM

Well, if anyone out there is in desperate need for a copy, and is willing to pay the cost and shipping, I'll be happy to pick up a copy for ya - just let me know by e-mail.

**Clayface** · 09-07-2001, 06:40 PM

Ok, I picked it up and read it. Its ok, I guess. Not great, but not bad. Doesn't seem to have a whole lot happening - feels like they're milking the story to make it last the 6 issues. So far, its sort of cliche, but I'll be curious to see how it plays out.

DG - how come you think wolverine is James, and not Dog?

dustin_baetz · 09-09-2001, 12:26 AM

It doesn't feel historical to me... Must be the computer coloring.

Good story, though. Very profound. Always suspected that Logan was Irish...

And of course he's Dog. Look how he acted around the redhead with the green eyes. Look at him taking the booze from his father. Look at him taking the beating from his father. I'll never call him Dog Logan... But that's as much a name as he ever had, if he even remembers.

**James Harvey** · 09-09-2001, 01:55 PM

I think he's James because...well...I just think that'll be the twist thrown in the series. Jenkins says that there will be a twist to this series, and maybe James will maybe get a friendship with Dog, and have that grow enough to be really influenced by Dog". It just seems too obvious that Logan would be Dog. Then again, that could be Jenkin's plan.

**Clayface** · 09-09-2001, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
I think he's James becuase...well...I just think that'll be the twist thrown in the series. Jenkins says that there will be a twist to this series, and maybe James will maybe get a friendship with Dog, and have that grow enough to be really influenced by Dog". It just seems too obvious that Logan would be Dog. Then again, that could be Jenkin's plan.

I don't know - I've read a lot of Jenkins stuff from his others series, and he never really surprised me with anything he wrote - it was usually the obvious thing. Hopefully, he'll prove me wrong this time around. What I'm thinking is James is gonna get sicker and sicker, until he dies, just as Wolverine's healing factor kicks in - so wolvie's gonna have al lthis guilt that he's this lowly little worthless boy that has this power, while his sickly friend died, never having the benefit of the same type of power - the whole "why me and not him" idea. This would be really cliche, and I'm hoping that's not where he's going with this, but my gut feeling right now its that that's where we're headed.

**James Harvey** · 09-28-2001, 08:50 AM

It was posted at wizardworld.com that the character of James in Origin is indeed Wolverine. I think I speculated that last moth.

Comments? The new issue comes out next week, I believe.

**killercroc** · 09-28-2001, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by Dick Grayson
It was posted at wizardworld.com that the character of James in Origin is indeed Wolverine. I think I speculated that last momth. Comments? The new issue comes out next week, I believe.

That certainly seems right. I guess that gives us some idea of his age then.

**James Harvey** · 09-28-2001, 10:31 AM

Alot of people are upset that they're revealing all this information. Personally, I'm glad! Gives us a stronger character - and a killer story to boot!

**Clayface** · 09-28-2001, 07:22 PM

Welp, looks like you were right and I was wrong, DG! Good guessing!

Though I'm curious how they're going to pull this off - it better be good.

**Joe Tully** · 09-28-2001, 09:49 PM

I'm with you DG. It's about time they did this. Wolvie's history has been hinted at and changed so much it's almost as convoluted as DC's.

About time they stopped playing around with what might be his history and just told us what it is.

**James Harvey** · 09-29-2001, 01:46 PM

Man, DC has some seriously messe dup continuity that is likely beyond repair. Then again, if Geoff Jones can fix Hawkman - I wonder what he can do with the DCU...

Anyways, back to Wolvie. I think they should have the mini-series lead up to Weapon X and have it end there. I think that Weapon X is still an important time in his life and should remain untouched. But when it all comes down to it, I just wanted to know his name and age.

**James Harvey** · 10-03-2001, 04:55 PM

Origin #2 Man - what a great follow up to last month's issue. Jenkins and Kubert continues to suprise me with a well written and well thought out story. And did I mention the enhanced coloring over the art? Damn - it is to drool for! The ending was amazing. This definatly adds a new level to Wolverine. I am hoping to see ramifications in the current books soon. (As long as Frank Tieri doesn't write it)

Rating: A+

**Clayface** · 10-04-2001, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by Dick Grayson

Origin #2 Man - what a great follow up to last month's issue. Jenkins and Kubert continues to suprise me with a well written and well thought out story. And did I mention the enhanced coloring over the art? Damn - it is to drool for! The ending was amazing. This definatly adds a new level to Wolverine. I am hoping to see ramifications in the current books soon. (As loing as Frank Tieri doesn't write it)

Yeah, overall, this was a pretty good issue - definitely keeping my interest. But now I've got moer questions than answers! Why do Logan and Dog both look like Wolverine, while James doesn't? If James/Wolvie discovered he had bone claws at that age, why was it such a big surprise to him to find out they were there after he lost his admantium to Magneto? (I hope they don't answer that one with the old "screwed up/lost memories" schtick they use so much! ) But, I am eagerly awaiting the next issue of thie series - can't wait to see what happens!

**James Harvey** · 10-05-2001, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Clayface

Yeah, overall, this was a pretty good issue - definitely keeping my interest. But now I've got moer questions than answers! Why do Logan and Dog both look like Wolverine, while James doesn't? If James/Wolvie discovered he had bone claws at that age, why was it such a big surprise to him to find out they were there after he lost his admantium to Magneto? (I hope they don't answer that one with the old "screwed up/lost memories" schtick they use so much! ) But, I am eagerly awaiting the next issue of thie series - can't wait to see what happens!

I bet they will. I bet the final issue will end with him being taken into the WEAPON X series and having his memory wiped. I guess he'll start to remember his past life in his own comic in the near future. With his life a blur before WEAPON X, I bet it'll be the way to go. At least this will make all those references to him fighting in WW2 and the Civil War possibly accurate. I'm more curious as to what will now happen to Dog. Will he become Sabretooth?