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    At this point I figure I may as well have the full story, so awhile ago I got issue 5 off Comixology. But I'm really unsure if I want to keep going with this beyond issue 6, and since JL is supposed to be a flagship book (right?) I'm surprised to be feeling that way.

    I feel as though I can honestly describe Justice League as "adequate" but not "great". I have no idea how they're going to wrap this up really well with one, yes one, issue left to go before this whole origin story is going to be over. In that time Batman has to rescue Superman on Apokolips (& presumably everyone else kidnapped), and everyone else will have to drive off Darkseid, and if we're lucky they'll fit in a satisfactory epilogue.

    I think this could have used twelve issues instead of six. This thing has just been moving too fast. Batman and GL have gotten good attention & this story does seem to belong to them the most, but generally my sense is that this first arc is mostly a means to hastily introduce everybody. We get a small sample of who these people are and then it's on to the next introduction, the next big twist. But these heroes have spent precious little time working together & bonding with each other so far, and the best world building has happened via these supplemental extras at the end of the JL issues (Amanda Waller questioning Steve Trevor? Great material). They could have taken their time to tell a really good story & get new readers familiar with these characters much more. Instead, we'll have covered the basics and who knows how much time will pass before all the Leaguers are well-covered by this book. Speaking of which, they've really skimmed over Aquaman and Cyborg in particular.

    And then we have Darkseid. How misused has he been? He shows up and has one banal line ("I AM DARKSEID"), mops the floor with the heroes and goes on his way. He's sufficiently formidable, sure, but as portrayed here he's certainly not much of a character so far. Anyone who knows DC knows this guy is as bad as they come, but here he simply comes off as a scary villain. But he's much more than that.

    On the bright side, it's possible that we're witnessing the transition of Hal Jordan from a pompuous jerk to...well, something more tolerable. Batman's been great as the calm rationalist, and to me it was surprising to see him take the cowl off and completely level with Hal. Batman's often seen as this brooding badass, but this book shows that Bruce Wayne is, at the end of the day, a genuinely good man at heart. Most of my favorite moments & episodes about Batman in animation touch on that, so I appreciate that this book does it too.
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    The finale of the first action-packed story-arc!

    JUSTICE LEAGUE #6



    Written by GEOFF JOHNS
    Art and cover by JIM LEE and SCOTT WILLIAMS


    The Justice League is united at last against Darkseid! The awesome consequences of this high-stakes battle will resonate within the series for years to come! Geoff Johns and Jim Lee end their historic first arc with a bang!

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    So...did DC just introduce an out to this whole new DC Universe with Pandora? When Phantom Stranger said that things were wrong it really seemed like this is giving DC Comics the open to change things down the road if they need to. Aside from that I thought this first arc was good. Nothing special but a good introduction for new readers to the Justice League and the "Super Seven" joke was pretty funny. Nice art as always and the back-up was really interesting too. And could Pandora be Darkseid's daughter? I don't think it would make a lot of sense but it might be an interesting twist.
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    Epic closure to the first story arc of the reboot. They even had a line that made me tear up " I thought there wasn't going to be a tomorrow until I saw them. The Justice League. Then I knew there would be a tomorrow." It really showed the hope the JL can inspire by just being there and the hope they can give people.

    Also it was nice finding out why Pandora merged the 3 universes into one. Sure it was to make the universe stronger to take care of her own dirty work but it's interesting none the less. I also love how it was done in a way that they could have undone the reboot had it failed but luckily it didn't. Also I love the mention of the multiverse when Super-Man us saved. Earth 2 seems to be having there own variation of Darkseid's attack alongside the other multiple earths that are going to star showing up starting with Action Comics 9. I could see Darkseid's return being 2013's big DC Event but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

    All in all a great issue and here's to continued adventures of The Justice League in the DCnU!

    Oh and I'm calling this now : Pandora is Darkeseid's daughter.

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    So how do you go after someone who's been shooting lasers out of his eyes at you? You stab him in the eye. Both of them. So ridiculously simple yet effectively brutal. I was floored.

    Now that bit does highlight one of Geoff Johns' recurring weaknesses, and that is there's no secret strategy to the big battles other than to just 'regroup and try harder.' The heroes actually don't go into battle with a plan, they just hit Darkseid a lot harder. Along the way Cyborg gets his cue to save the day, but its an impromptu call to action.

    Overall I think a lot more could've been done with the first arc, especially in terms of equally sharing the spotlight among the characters, but it reads well, looks great, and it's accessible to the casual fan. The use of splash pages and 2-page spreads does border on abusive but what else did you expect from Jim Lee? I'm curious to see where the League will go next, so it's obviously working.

    And the Pandora backup: this could still be DC's 'out' in case they want to restore parts of continuity but not others. What we've now got is a weird Star Trek effect where a select few know the timeline has been rebooted, meaning it's still technically all one continuity. I'm waiting to see at what point new readers will be pointed towards reading pre-Flashpoint material to figure out what's going on.
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    The first arc of Justice League has helped me figure out what kind of superhero stories I want to read from the New 52...and Justice League is not one of them.

    When the news began rolling out about the New 52 almost a year ago, I was eager to hear the speculation. What would change? Would it be good? Would it be interesting? What stories could they tell now that they couldn't tell before? As a result, I've doubled the number of DC titles I usually read, checking out different parts of the new universe and seeing how it's changed.

    I find that what I was really looking for, all this time, was nuance. I wanted to be intrigued by super hero stories again. I wanted to feel like a kid staring wide-eyed at a universe that was heretofore unimagined and amazing. There are some books that have given me that reaction, like Animal Man.

    Justice League, for its merits as a solid super hero team book, did not live up to my expectations. Sure, I enjoyed the ride. I chuckled at Green Lantern's dialogue. I felt for Victor as his life was changed forever. I mentally pumped my fist when the League defeated Darkseid. But between each issue, and especially now that the arc is over, I felt nothing. I didn't take anything away from the story. I couldn't detect a meaningful theme. I felt cheated out of proper introductions for almost every League member. The story was spread over six issues, yet it was paced so fast there was hardly any time to explore the meat of the situation. I feel like I binged on chocolate pudding for six issues and now my stomach is aching because I never fed it the nutritious main course.

    I guess I'm just more drawn to the B-list heroes with their more intimate surroundings and smaller-scale but emotionally resonant conflicts. I can't root for a super hero team if I don't really know it's members, and what little establishment we got in this book is not enough. Granted, almost every member has their own main title, but if you look at Justice League as DC's flagship series; the one book they promoted and released first, solo, in the final week of August; the title that comic book novices are supposed to pick up, read, and fall in love with... I don't think it succeeded as well as it could have.

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    A special two-part arc with artwork by Gene Ha! Don't skip this issue because Jim Lee is taking a break - check it the first modern-day adventure of the The New 52! Justice League!

    JUSTICE LEAGUE #7



    Written by GEOFF JOHNS
    Art by GENE HA and GARY FRANK
    Cover by JIM LEE and SCOTT WILLIAMS


    Now that the team’s origin story is complete, starting with this issue we shift to the present-day Justice League! What has changed? Who has joined the team since? Featuring artwork by Gene Ha, the story also reintroduces the team’s greatest champion: Steve Trevor!

    Also starting in this issue: “The Curse of Shazam!” featuring a story by Geoff Johns and art by Gary Frank! Discover Billy Batson’s place in DC Comics – The New 52 as we reveal his all-new origin story!

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    Really weak issue IMO. I know this is Justice League and it's supposed to be the headliner of the New 52, the greatest battles and the like but I really thought this issue would be a cool down after the epic finale of issue 6 to show how things have changed in the last few years, who has joined, some hints at some epic battles they've had, and how much they have grown as a team since then.

    The art didn't help much either, while it's not the worst and does it's job the style is kind of ugly and it'll have to grow on me over time. This guy also doing the art for Batman Earth One may help with that.

    I really enjoyed the Captain Marvel (Not Shazam) backup I might add. Billy Batson has been given a lot of personality in these few pages than I've ever seen him have in all of his comics. Most of the time he's just Superman without all the powers but the good heart and all but here he's a bit of a jerk and seems to live a somewhat normal life because of being in a foster home rather than a homeless orphan.

    I can see Billy getting a lot of character development in the title and becoming the young Superman he used to be once again but we'll see.

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    So we're still technically not at present day, if Hal still has his lantern ring. I know DC likes having their cake and eating it too, but this is doing nothing to sort out all the bugs in the revamped timeline.

    Adding to that is this story doesn't feel like '5 years later', but maybe only 1 year later. The League feels like a shell of what it needs to be, with no one listening to Batman, Green Lantern mooching off government supplies and Wonder Woman being embarrassed to be on the team. There's some good moments with Steve Trevor but even the 'League vs government' idea is glossed over with a throwaway joke. I'm just not sure why I should find this iteration of the League appealing.

    Shazam! backup - I like the idea of the Wizard 'searching' for the chosen one, a good lead into Sivana's obsession with proving magic exists. Did not feel Johns needed to include a 'This Year On' for a backup story, however.
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    I don't know about Billy being a jerk
    it didn't work for aquaman in the 90's

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