Batman VS Captain America

[James Harvey]

Inspired by the Batman Beyond VS Spider-Man thread over at the BB Boards. Who do you think would win in this match up?

Comic Book fans proclaim Captain America to be the best fighter alive, but can he defeat Batman?

[NewMaxFranklin]

I'm going to have to go with the Captain on this one. His "super serum" treatment gave him "peak human abilities." Now, one could argue that Bruce is at the peak of human endurance as well. But, I'd assume Cap A would have the edge as far as speed, strength and endurance are concerned.

As for the sheild. It's a very good weapon. He can throw it(not that he'd ever hit Batman with it,) and use it to defend himself as well as strike. I think Batman's fists against that shield would be reminiscent of when he tried to punch Mr. Freeze in "Cold Comfort," ~Clang~ "Ahhh."

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Let's just say this: Batman always survives the first round to take the second round. So Cap would have the edge if they fought without giving Batman time to prepare. Cap would beat him, but Batman always has a survival plan. Batman goes home, studies everything he knows about Cap, and then goes and beats him up.

[mxyzptlk]

i am gonna go with batman. cause he beat up spawn and in my opinion spawn is one of the toughest dudes in comics.

[Trent Lane]

again, sticking with batmna on this one. i think he's better at outsmarting his opponent, so his inteligence would help him more than his strength.

[mxyzptlk]

yeah and isnt batman trained in every form of martial arts.

[joker]

batman would win, just to smart.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by mxyzptlk
yeah and isnt batman trained in every form of martial arts.

So is Captain America. And he's enhanced by the super-serum.

Really, if it was a "first meeting" kind of fight, Cap would take the win without a doubt. If Batman is caught unprepared, he will lose to Cap. Captain America has faced Wolverine before and I think he has beaten him. Captain America has taken on Spidey and beaten him. Cap also knows all the pressure points and holds just like Bats, and he's stronger than Batman.

But Batman is rarely caught unprepared. So if there was time for Batman to lay out a plan, it would be Batman. He's too smart. But I still say that on a purely physical one-on-one contest, Cap would win.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by DickGrayson
I think Batman would win becuase he's admitted to studying an oppenant even in combat, quickly devising ways to take him down. Cap may be one of the best fighters around, but brute strenght can't match up to a keen mind, especially when the keen mind also happens to have strength as well.

Cap isn't one of the best fighters around, he is pretty much the GREATEST pure fighter in the Marvel universe. He knows ALL the forms of martial arts, even more than Logan. He can adapt to any style of fighting, and he's no idiot. He leads a superhero team, fer chrissakes! He's taken on cosmic beings and lived. He is that darned good. He looks weak because he doesn't do anything special like shoot beams and he doesn't have strength like the Hulk. He's not Batman smart, but he is at least as smart as Superman. He doesn't have a great healing factor. But on pure physical fighting ability, Captain America is the best.

[Joe Tully]

This has been argued about forever on Usenet. Cap is a peak human, meaning that there is no un-super-powered human
more athletic than him,and has trained in several forms of combat, but probably not as many as Batman.Batman is very athletic but probably not quite as athletic as Cap.Cap's shield gives him a slight advantage as far as weapons go, Batman is probably more clever. Both have fought a lot of enemies, but Cap has fought more super-powered enemies while Bats usually fights people with no real powers, maybe just some gadgets and gizmos (though there are some exceptions, such as Bane, Croc, and Freeze, who uses gizmos that give him something like super-powers)

I also think it's sort of silly to say "Batman would win, he's better" I mean, I think Antman could beat the Hulk on a really good day (okay, well maybe that's a slight exaggeration), it's more of a thing of probability. It's probably a 60% chance Cap would win, 40% Bats would. Cap has his shield on him, which I think would help deflect Batarangs, and would also really really hurt Bats if he were to get hit upside the head with it (thrown or jabbed)

I'm not so sure how much Bats could plan against Cap if he escaped, short of trying to lead him into a mine field or something. Cap doesn't really have much of a weakness other than those of other humans. Also, Cap does that sizing up a villian in battle thing too. I think that most of the super heroes, especially those with less powers, do that.

[JustWhelmed]

OH Dicky Garyson...

Somebody stole my thread..I remember posting a thread...SpiderMan Vs. Batman..just a few days ago.

Tsk..Tsk...

[JustWhelmed]

And you don't even give the creator the credit for the original thread?!?!?

[JustWhelmed]

take a joke Dick.

[Trent Lane]

Originally posted by DickGrayson
I think Batman would win becuase he's admitted to studying an oppenant even in combat, quickly devising ways to take him down. Cap may be one of the best fighters around, but brute strenght can't match up to a keen mind, especially when the keen mind also happens to have strength as well.

that sounds like what bruce told terry in the first issue of the BB regular series. though an opponent may be stronger, he'd need to back it up with a quick mind...

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by Leap Larry Jojo


So is Captain America. And he's enhanced by the super-serum.

Really, if it was a "first meeting" kind of fight, Cap would take the win without a doubt. If Batman is caught unprepared, he will lose to Cap. Captain America has faced Wolverine before and I think he has beaten him. Captain America has taken on Spidey and beaten him. Cap also knows all the pressure points and holds just like Bats, and he's stronger than Batman.

But Batman is rarely caught unprepared. So if there was time for Batman to lay out a plan, it would be Batman. He's too smart. But I still say that on a purely physical one-on-one contest, Cap would win.

yeah but batman is pretty much always prepared and batman is too smart for it to ever be purely physical

[NewMaxFranklin]

Originally posted by Leap Larry Jojo


Cap isn't one of the best fighters around, he is pretty much the GREATEST pure fighter in the Marvel universe. He knows ALL the forms of martial arts, even more than Logan. He can adapt to any style of fighting, and he's no idiot. He leads a superhero team, fer chrissakes! He's taken on cosmic beings and lived. He is that darned good. He looks weak because he doesn't do anything special like shoot beams and he doesn't have strength like the Hulk. He's not Batman smart, but he is at least as smart as Superman. He doesn't have a great healing factor. But on pure physical fighting ability, Captain America is the best.

I totally agree. I don't think Batman and Cap are very different, really. As far as training goes I'd say they were dead even. Batman, being very rich, went all over the world to train. While, the American govenrnment brought the training to Cap. They each fight all manner of baddies. Cap fights a lot of superpowered guys and mercenaries. While Batman fights a lot of twisted freaks, as well as supernatural and superpowered foes, and the general thugs and mob scum. I agree that Captain America is smart and very resourceful. I'd say this one is tough to call. But, I'd give the advantage to Cap.

I'd say the main differences between the two are motivation and persona. Batman is the dark, loner, who plays by his own rules. Cap is patriotic and a bit of a boyscout, like Superman. He reflects the morals of the era he was born in, the 40's. In those days the American public was very patriotic. Now day's the American government is more criticized than praised and people are more self-absorbed and concerned with being "cool." Which is why, I think, characters like Spawn, Bat's and Wolvie are the "Shiznet" at present. They are exotic and mysterious. Cap is not. But, could he make Spawn wish he was back in hell? Hell, yeah!

[freakboy86]

I'd have to say that in a straight fight Cap would definately win. But, as stated at the beginning, when it comes to Batman there is NO straight fight. Cap's too much of a 'nice guy' (even if he was a soldier) while the Bat would not hesitate to shove a gas capsule in Cap's face if worse came to worse. So the fight would wind up going to Batman, but not without a few bumps and bruises as a prize.

"I want you to remember this day Clark. My hands around your throat....the one man who BEAT you."

[watsonlives]

They are probably equal in fighting ablilty, and phisicaly cap would have a slight advantage. Bats, however, is meaner, and will not hesitse to fight dirty. If it was just hand to hand martial arts, cap would probably win. but on the street Bats would pull every trick in the book when he realises how good a fighter cap is. cap would probably be winning, and then just as he thought he had beaten bats into submission and started to let his guard down, bats would snap up and end the fight.

[JTMarsh]

Physically & in terms of combat training I'd say they're pretty evenly matched, but since Batman is the more popular of the two the writers would cheat to let Batman win.