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    "Captain America: Reborn" Mini-Series Talkback (Spoilers)

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    Steve Rogers returns to the Marvel Universe, but how exactly did he escape death?

    Reborn: Prelude

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    Written: Ed Brubaker
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    The Story: Captain America Reborn: Prelude, from Eisner-winning scribe Ed Brubaker and fan favorite artist Luke Ross, reveals just what happens before the hotly anticipated Captain America: Reborn #1 hits stores tomorrow! There may be a way to save Steve Rogers, the man known as Captain America who was brutally gunned down in Captain America #25 and captured the attention of the mainstream media worldwide, but how does the daughter of his arch-enemy the Red Skull play into all this? What does she know about the assassination of the world’s greatest hero? Find out now in this eight-page Captain America Reborn: Prelude


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    Captain America: Reborn #1 (of 5)





    WRITER: Ed Brubaker
    COVERS BY: Bryan Hitch, John Cassaday, Alex Ross and Joe Quesada
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    THE STORY: Following the events of Captain America #600, Steve Rogers’ closest friends and allies may have found a way to bring back the original Captain America. Or is what they found something more sinister? The Red Skull’s greatest plan to destroy Captain America has been in motion and its completion is almost at hand. Will Captain America be lost forever or will he be REBORN?

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    I read a column on Comic Book Bin about what Captain America: Reborn might be about.

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    ...Hopefully, if Marvel is planning to use Bradley, it isn't done as a publicity stunt given his race, the popular, and best we've had in a long time, current President, and all the many, many comics being produced taking advantage of President Obama, etc, but as a worthwhile socially and politically metaphoric story, that can be done very well. The idea of an African American Captain America is one that appeals to me, simply because it can be a great story that can reflect some (obviously, not enough) of the change that we are experiencing here in America.

    Would a "Return of Steve Rogers" story be one that is new and groundbreaking, while keeping with the tradition of Captain American being a representative metaphor for America? No. Rogers was the hero for the America of the 1930's and 1940's, where he represented a naieve, but well meaning, force for good against an unspeakable evil, Nazism. Throughout much of his long career, he constantly fought against this same evil, as it was rebirthed over and over again, in countless Red Skull, Baron Strucker, and HYDRA stories . No matter what their new guise or scemes, they were the same villains and ideological metaphoric enemies Steve fought over and over. Steve represented the America of WWII, and he kept representing it against such foes. Then, he was murdered and his former partner, seeking redemption, took on the mantle. Bucky became the Captain America that served as the metaphor for the current America. One that was tarnished. It got involved with, and started wars without serious reason, debased itself by sinking to the depths of behavior usually displayed only by her enemies, and desperately needed to redeem itself in the world's eyes. If Bradley would become Captain America, they he would represent the metaphor of the America that the best of us are striving to be. An America that is color blind, where race doesn't matter, only ability and integrity of character, is the goal, along with an America that has a desire to extend a hand to its friends and neighbors, listen to those who it is at odds with, and reach out with diplomacy first, and the swift hand of action only as a last resort.
    I really hope this is not just the rebirth of Steve Rogers because it would just prove how cheap comic book deaths gimmicks are. But I do agree that the Steve Rogers and the enemies that he fights are outdated and no longer relevent to America today. How many Nazis do you see making trouble today or in the last 60 years? If it is in fact the rebirth of Steve then please make it something more.

    If it's giving the helm of Captain America to Isaiah Bradley, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, I emplore you Marvel to not just use this as a stunt to gain media attention, please. I mean I hate to say it but I wish that they didn't exploit Barack Obama being president just to sell comics. Isaiah Bradley should define what America wants to inspire to be in the world of today and tomorrow and to update Captain America.

    What ever they decide to do, I hope that they don't eff this up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollaman View Post
    I read a column on Comic Book Bin about what Captain America: Reborn might be about.



    I really hope this is not just the rebirth of Steve Rogers because it would just prove how cheap comic book deaths gimmicks are. If it's giving the helm of Captain America to Isaiah Bradley, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, I emplore you Marvel to not just use this as a stunt to gain media attention, please.

    What ever they decide to do, I hope that they don't eff this up.
    Just read issue 1 and from the the first issue they say how he's alive. He's stuck out of time thanks to a variation of Dr. Doom's time cube that he built for the Red Skull, and the gun that Sharon used to kill Steve, well that was developed by Doom as well. From what I got from it, the ammunition that Sharon shot Steve with acted as sort of the key or a homing device (?) for Doom's time thing to get him. But Sharon smashed it during her tale to Hank Pym, The Vision, and The Falcon. Because of that smashing, Steve is stuck time jumping ala Lost. Zola/Redskull told Norman Osbourne everything about what he had done, that the real Steve is alive, but stuck somewhere in time.

    I mentioned Lost because if you watched this past season of it, he's time jumping in and out of various points of his life in time. He's not sure why he's jumping yet, but he remembers everything about his life up until he was shot it seems. He jumped to World War 2, then to his child hood self as he watched his mother die, and then right back to WW2. Think of it too as sort of Quantum Leap as well.

    If this is what Ed Brubaker had planned all along, so be it. But for me, it seems kind of lame. I'll defineatly read the whole thing to see how it plays out, Bryan Hitches art is great, but I kind of think the device to Steve's return has been done many times and is not original.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollaman View Post
    I read a column on Comic Book Bin about what Captain America: Reborn might be about.

    I really hope this is not just the rebirth of Steve Rogers because it would just prove how cheap comic book deaths gimmicks are. But I do agree that the Steve Rogers and the enemies that he fights are outdated and no longer relevent to America today. How many Nazis do you see making trouble today or in the last 60 years? If it is in fact the rebirth of Steve then please make it something more.
    Dude. Captain America is a hell of a lot more than a guy that punches Nazis.

    Also, I think it'd be absurd to bring in Bradley. If that was going to be done it would have and should have been done in the first place, instead of having Bucky step up. They've also gone ahead and said that Steve will come back, so if they pull a fast one and don't do it it'll be a massive slap in the face. They'll have basically told an outright lie in order to sell comics.
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    Yea, Nazi's are an outdated, but still just as disliked Villian group. So Im guessing Steve will be Aiming for Osborn when he gets, back. Wich is good considering Osborn in ways is the perfect allegory for the corrupt Business man Turned corrupt Poitician. Not to mention comparable to many modern Real life Political Leaders, that I shall refrain from naming due to backlash.
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    Wait wait..... what the Hell? That how they are bringing him back? That pretty lame. I mean it is similar to what DC is doing with Batman.

    Also if Steve was alive all along, whose spirit was Thor talking to in his own title? Loki (yeah knowing Marvel is gonna be Loki )?
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    I know this is a moot point based on what we already know, but rhey wouldn't bring in Isaiah Bradley at any rate, so that's kind of a dumb theory. He's old and the longterm Alzheimers-like effects of the serum have screwed him up mentally and physically.

    They could, however, use his son, the Muslim minister Josiah X. Now that would be a change of pace and a pretty good story.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_X

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    If this does not lead to the full fledged return of steve rogers i will never buy another marvel comic again, not that i have lately. Rogers is my all time favorite super hero, without him as cap i just cant get into comics. i have not read a cap comic since july-aug of last year. I do remember marvel saying when they killed him off that he was gone for good. i feel silly for believing them, but boy am i happy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GWOtaku View Post
    Dude. Captain America is a hell of a lot more than a guy that punches Nazis.
    Oh yeah I know, I was just saying that what he represents / needed to be / needed to exemplify was more relevent in the 30's and 40's than it is now.

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    ...I do remember marvel saying when they killed him off that he was gone for good. i feel silly for believing them, but boy am i happy!
    I also feel silly for believing them too, but I can't say that I'm happy about it.

    Anyways it seems like it's just going to be bring Steve Rogers back to life. *Sigh* I really hope that there is an underlining meaning or alegory to the death and resurrection of Steve Rogers and not just some killing a character to gain media attention stunt.

    Please anyone who read the issue is it just bringing him back to life? If it is then I not picking it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollaman View Post
    Please anyone who read the issue is it just bringing him back to life? If it is then I not picking it up.
    With the time jumping aspect of it, I don't know if Steve did actually die or not. But Redskull and Zola did pull Steve from the past and based off the special gun that Doom developed to help pull Steve from the past that Sharon shot Steve with, he's pulled out of time AFTER he's shot. Whether or not he did die, I don't know yet.
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    The shocking return of an icon continues!

    Captain America: Reborn #2 (of 5)




    WRITER: Ed Brubaker
    COVERS BY: Bryan Hitch, John Cassaday, and Tim Sale
    PENCILS: Bryan Hitch

    The race for Steve Rogers is on! On one side - BUCKY and the BLACK WIDOW and members of the AVENGERS and FANTASTIC FOUR! On the other - NORMAN OSBORN and HAMMER, THE RED SKULL and his evil hordes, with DR. DOOM waiting in the wings! And where... oh where, is the real CAPTAIN AMERICA? Ed Brubaker, Bryan Hitch and Butch Guice bring you the biggest Marvel comic of the year!

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    Got the 2nd issue the other day, Love the cover ( always awsome to see cap choking a real-life historical Villian, & the quote was cool as well.)

    & Overall I enjoyed the 2nd issue I kinda feel sorry for steve being stuck out of place in time & the end of issue 2 made me dislike norman osborn even more, I just really wanna see cap whale on him in the last issue heck i'd like to see the entire marvel u beat up the guy eventually, I mean i love an evil manicle mastermind as much as the next guy, but Normans just coming off as more of a self glorifing thinks he's almighty jerk. I really can't wait for him to get knocked down a peg, & yet at the same time i commend him for being so devious..huh I never knew one could love & Hate a chatacter at the same time.

    But back to cap I wonder how long it'll be after he comes back for Dark Reign to end?
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    The one thing this proves to me is that Norman Osborn should not, only be a Spider-man villain any longer. Watching him go up against Cap and Black Widow while manipulating Crossbones and Sin was classic. I love the interaction between Hank Pym and Mr. Fantastic since it seems incorporate the recent Might Avengers plot line without directly saying it. Overall it was a good issue.
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    I held my comments on issue one because, well, I just didn't really like it. I wanted to, but it was just confusing. Even re-read it, and it just came off a jumbled mess. But I knew that it was just part one, and that (hopefully) things would work out as it went.

    Luckily, my hopes were answered. I still don't like the time-travel aspect of it, but that may be me since I loathe time travel stories. Plus, it just comes off as a way to give people a Cap Recap while the real story with Bucky and Norman plays out. If this were about Bucky, I could see the recap, but, come on. It's Steve Rogers, the original Cap. Everyone and their mother knows his story. It's not necessary. But, if they are doing it, at least the execution is good now. I liked the scene of Cap watching his creator die and knowing he can't stop it, even though he could. It's one thing to do this in hindsight, it's another to know you have to hold yourself back from stopping a man from dying.

    And the main story is shaping up well. Crossbones and Sin being added to the mix will be great, and Sharon v. Sin II should be awesome. At first I questioned outing Sharon to the world, since outside of the Marvel U villains and heroes, no one really knows who she is. But using that as leverage to get her to turn herself in was a great twist.

    It started slow, but I hope this upward trend continues.
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    We're At The Halfway Mark On Steve Rodgers' Return!

    Captain America: Reborn #3 (of 5)



    Writer: Ed Brubaker
    Covers By: Bryan Hitch, John Cassaday, & Leinil Francis Yu
    Pencils: Bryan Hitch

    Dr. Doom and the Red Skull together again! And what is the fate of the original Captain America, Steve Rogers -- and how can he help save himself from the accidental trap he's found himself in? All this and more -- as the Avengers and the FF battle insane odds to save Marvel's Fallen Son! By the astonishing team of Brubaker, Hitch, and Guice!


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    Marching to the end, how will Steve fight his way back across time?

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    Writer: Ed Brubaker
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    Steve Rogers, the original Captain America - trapped in time! Bucky and Sharon Carter - in the hands of the enemy! As Dr. Doom and the Red Skull make a terrifying pact that could destroy what Captain America means forever! Ed Brubaker and Bryan Hitch bring you the penultimate issue of Marvel's event of the year!

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    Steve Rogers has returned, but not how you expected him to!

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    Writer: Ed Brubaker
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    Steve Rogers is back...or is he? This is the action-packed finale of the best-selling series as the Avengers try to rescue their best and brightest from the Red Skull's darkest designs. Find out the fates of Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes and what their futures hold in store!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin Kazama View Post
    Steve Rogers has returned, but not how you expected him to!

    Captain America: Reborn #5 (of 6)




    Writer: Ed Brubaker
    Covers By: Bryan Hitch, John Cassaday, & David Finch
    Pencils: Bryan Hitch

    Steve Rogers is back...or is he? This is the action-packed finale of the best-selling series as the Avengers try to rescue their best and brightest from the Red Skull's darkest designs. Find out the fates of Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes and what their futures hold in store!

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    So, if anyone is keeping up with other comics in the Marvel Universe, you've been seeing that Marvel has been playing a little game of Cat and Mouse with us in regards to the end of this mini-series.

    While the promo art for "Siege" has a Steve Rogers Cap on it, both the current issue of "Invincible Iron Man" and "New Avengers" third annual have

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    Steve Rogers in the Captain America Costume confirmed, but Bucky was also in the Cap costume in the New Avengers annual.


    The thing is, though, that the first "Dark Avengers" annual had

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    Bucky in the Cap costume, and Steve in a SHIELD uniform


    The odd thing of all this being, both annuals of New and Dark Avengers are written by the same guy (Bendis), and came out only a week apart. So either Marvel is playing with it's readers, or something happened in the final two issues of Reborn (I've not read #5 yet) and the "Shield" one-shot, and it's throwing everything off with it's delays.

    Still, it's making things quite interesting as we head into the final stretch of this whole thing.
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    I never got around to reading the first issue of this mini-series and from there on, I've been okay with just reading online what was going on in it, as Cap isn't really my favourite character and I was just curious how they were going to bring him back.

    I have to admit I hadn't really been paying that much attention online either and then I read the "Dark Avengers Annual" which Jin mentioned above. Suffice to say, I was pretty confused! Maybe the conclusive issue of this mini-series will be worth looking into

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