"Catwoman (2001)" Series Talkback (Spoilers)

**James Harvey** · 11-28-2001, 06:51 PM

Discuss the all-new ongoing Catwoman series by Ed Brubaker and Darwyn Cooke!

**Clayface** · 11-28-2001, 07:57 PM

It was interesting, but I wouldn't call the art "great". It just seemed off to me. Some specific examples:

Page 12, panel 1 - Riddler looks like he's about 90
Page 13, panel 1 - Everything about Bat's looks misplaced
Page 13, panel 9 - What the heck is up with that Batman??
Page 18, panel 3 - Batman looks far too skinny, and it looks like he's a size small wearing a size extra large shirt the way its all tucked in to his belt

I mean, overall, the art's not bad. But I wouldn't call it great either.

**DerekPowers** · 11-29-2001, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by Clayface
It was interesting, but I wouldn't call the art "great". It just seemed off to me. Some specific examples:

Page 12, panel 1 - Riddler looks like he's about 90
Page 13, panel 1 - Everything about Bat's looks misplaced
Page 13, panel 9 - What the heck is up with that Batman??
Page 18, panel 3 - Batman looks far too skinny, and it looks like he's a size small wearing a size extra large shirt the way its all tucked in to his belt

I mean, overall, the art's not bad. But I wouldn't call it great either.

I really LOVED the artwork. at first i didnt, but as i read it i found the artwork and pacing told the story excellently. and its so different from the art in the other dc books, it almost has an indy comic feel to it. its very refreshing. but i will agree w/ you clayface that there were a few panel that were drawn awkwardly, and w/ the simplicity of the art it seems the artist should have been able to avoid such issue (i dont have a problem w/ the pages you listed, but look at selina on page 7, first panel. very awkward.).

anyway, i loved it, i thought is was great, a very interesting and fun read. I loved batman's guest appearence, especially when selina saves him. that was cool.

a few question though, for those hardcore catwoman fans who may know....

in catwoman #94, flashbacks and many references are made to Batman: year one. and in this issue, Holly from year one appears. Plus catwoman's past as a prostitute is dealt with. I was always under the impression that year one was an elseworlds, meaning the whole prostitute thing and holly werent part of the dcu continuity. was selina always originally a prostitute, if so when was the issue first brought to light? perhaps early in the previous series?? also, was holly always in the dcu from catwoman's past? im just confussed about if frank miller borowed the prostitute origin from the dcu or if it was the other way around and the same w/ holly. plus the actual panel flashbacks in CW 94 was strange seeing as how it was an elseworlds story. peace.

**Trent Lane** · 11-29-2001, 02:14 PM

I never read Catwoman before, but seeing that Cooke was doing the art I picked it up. Very nice, a little animated style to it. Tho I'm not up on all the stuff that happened in the last volume, this issue has probably got me hooked for a while...

**Clayface** · 11-29-2001, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by DerekPowers

in catwoman #94, flashbacks and many references are made to Batman: year one. and in this issue, Holly from year one appears. Plus catwoman's past as a prostitute is dealt with. I was always under the impression that year one was an elseworlds, meaning the whole prostitute thing and holly werent part of the dcu continuity.

Nope, Year One was Miller's take on Batman's early years, and is in fact part of DC continuity and not an elseworlds story. But, unfortunately, a lot of Catwoman fans wish it wasn't - many were very offended with the idea of Selina having been a prostitute.

was selina always originally a prostitute, if so when was the issue first brought to light? perhaps early in the previous series?? also, was holly always in the dcu from catwoman's past? im just confussed about if frank miller borowed the prostitute origin from the dcu or if it was the other way around and the same w/ holly.

Catwoman was, I believe, just a cat burgular in the DC continuity until Frank Miller's Year One came along. In Year One, he retold her origin, including the prostitute aspects. This was, I believe, the first time she was shown to be a prostitute, and became "cannon" with Year One's publication.

**Salvor** · 11-30-2001, 07:33 AM

Cooke's artwork was - as usual - amazing. Very stylish. I don't care about some minor - and so-called - flaws, his style is superb compared to most pencillers working in the comics industry these days.

The story was great too. Really great. I've become a huge EB fan

**Joker85** · 12-31-2001, 03:36 PM

So what did everyone think of the new Catwoman series?

What about the first two issues? I loved them! They just get better and better. Selina and Holly's interaction the second issue was great. I look foward to the next issue!!

**DerekPowers** · 01-01-2002, 04:38 PM

well, i thought the first was much better, but it was still a good book.

i dont know how i feel about selina playing hero, but as long as its a once in a while thing. id hate to see her forget her villanious ways.

btw, didnt brubaker say he wanted to spiff up her hero role? i dont really remember, but i think he said something like that. i just hope he doesnt take it too far. peace.

**kid_flash** · 01-01-2002, 05:33 PM

Well, he said he doesn't want her to completely be a villain and steal stuff all the time. He said in an interview that professional thiefs only pull off three heists every year at the absolute most. Also, how many rare cat artifacts can be shipped into Gotham? Sooner or later, it just gets old.

I'm really digging the new Catwoman series, and I can't wait for more!

**Ed Liu** · 01-01-2002, 05:44 PM

Howdy all,

My wife and I were both rather frustrated by this comic, because now we have to wait for another month for more. I guess that's a good thing, though, since it means we want more.

I figured that Catwoman would start in to acting as the protector for those who slip through the cracks for the GCPD and Batman. I'm curious to see where this storyline is going to end up, though.

Darwyn Cooke kicks butt. I noticed he's not the artist for the March 2002 solicitation, though -- does anybody know if he's going off the book for good, or if it's just a fill-in? Honestly, I don't know if I'd keep reading it monthly if he wasn't drawing it.

Happy New Year to everybody, too, BTW.

-- Ed/Ace

**kid_flash** · 01-02-2002, 02:56 PM

From what I understand, the creative team in March will be the permanant one. I don't have a clue why Cooke only signed on for the first story.

**DerekPowers** · 01-02-2002, 04:19 PM

that is not a good sign, if you ask me. i really like cooke's artwork. who knows though, maybe the new guy will be better, but i really feel the art is a big part of this book's success so far. it really sets a tone and creates a certain mood through the drawings AND the pacing and use of the panels. well, we'll just all have to wait and see. peace.

**SilentBobWooHoo** · 01-02-2002, 06:16 PM

I loved the first two issues, but I can't believe Cooke is already leaving

**kid_flash** · 01-03-2002, 12:13 AM

I know I'll be waiting and seeing if the new guy's good. He'd have to be pretty horrible to turn me off this book, 'cause I'm digging Brubaker's work on this, which he's saying is some of his best. Then again, it isn't always a good thing when a writer thinks he/she is really good. We shall see...

Oh, and SBWH: Cooke only signed on for the first story. He was never supposed to go any further.

**Trent Lane** · 01-13-2002, 01:32 AM

Good issue, this story gets more and more intresting by the page. I'm a little disapointed to hear Cooke is only on for the first story, he's the reason I picked up the book- the "kinda" animated style he's got is really cool. I'll have to see how it gets when the new guy takes over...

**X-human** · 01-13-2002, 04:49 PM

I've got some mixed feelings about the book.

Catwoman claims that she's defending hookers because they're people to, but yet a few pagees earlier a cop beats on this hooker and takes her money and Catwoman just sits by and watchs. Yeah, she's really looking out for them.

**kid_flash** · 01-13-2002, 06:40 PM

I think Selina's trying as much as possible to work with the system this time around.

**Joker85** · 01-23-2002, 05:41 PM

Another great issue by the new Catwoman team. I love the fact that they are turning Selina into a real detective-like character. This storyline has been really interesting and I can't wait for the conclusion next month!! So, what did everyone else think?

**James Harvey** · 01-25-2002, 04:53 PM

These three issues have been better than every issue of the last series combined! I am curious as to what his mysterious deformity is. I couldn't tell with the last panel - even though it looks like we got a full face shot.

And the opening..wow...how powerful was that opening. Leslie Thompkin's dream was just...wow...I love this book!

**DerekPowers** · 01-25-2002, 08:01 PM

yeah, this is a good book. i really enjoyed this issue and cant wait till the next issue.

so, whats the deal w/ that guy? is he a shape shifter or was that just a costume? clayface is the first thing that poped in my head, but then again i doubt it and i know the comic book clayface is very different from the animated one.

i also loved the part when selina was racing to save that girl, it was very suspenseful. peace.

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