Batman/Superman Weekly Comics Talkback

[Joker85]

so what did everyone think of the reissue of Catwoman?? I was impressed. The artwork was great and the story excellent! I loved the surprise appearance by Holly! The new outfit is great!! I am even starting to like the goggles. I also enjoyed the roof top scene with her and Batman. Overall, I loved it and look foward to next months issue!

[James Harvey]

This was, by far, the best comic I've read this week. The great artwork enhanced by the storytelling of Brubaker just made this a great read. This is a Batman spin off title I'm actually really, really enjoying!

[Clayface]

It was interesting, but I wouldn't call the art "great". It just seemed off to me. Some specific examples:

Page 12, panel 1 - Riddler looks like he's about 90
Page 13, panel 1 - Everything about Bat's looks misplaced
Page 13, panel 9 - What the heck is up with that Batman??
Page 18, panel 3 - Batman looks far too skinny, and it looks like he's a size small wearing a size extra large shirt the way its all tucked in to his belt

I mean, overall, the art's not bad. But I wouldn't call it great either.

[DerekPowers]

Originally posted by Clayface
It was interesting, but I wouldn't call the art "great". It just seemed off to me. Some specific examples:

Page 12, panel 1 - Riddler looks like he's about 90
Page 13, panel 1 - Everything about Bat's looks misplaced
Page 13, panel 9 - What the heck is up with that Batman??
Page 18, panel 3 - Batman looks far too skinny, and it looks like he's a size small wearing a size extra large shirt the way its all tucked in to his belt

I mean, overall, the art's not bad. But I wouldn't call it great either.

I really LOVED the artwork. at first i didnt, but as i read it i found the artwork and pacing told the story excellently. and its so different from the art in the other dc books, it almost has an indy comic feel to it. its very refreshing. but i will agree w/ you clayface that there were a few panel that were drawn awkwardly, and w/ the simplicity of the art it seems the artist should have been able to avoid such issue (i dont have a problem w/ the pages you listed, but look at selina on page 7, first panel. very awkward.).


anyway, i loved it, i thought is was great, a very interesting and fun read. I loved batman's guest appearence, especially when selina saves him. that was cool.

a few question though, for those hardcore catwoman fans who may know....

in catwoman #94, flashbacks and many references are made to Batman: year one. and in this issue, Holly from year one appears. Plus catwoman's past as a prostitute is dealt with. I was always under the impression that year one was an elseworlds, meaning the whole prostitute thing and holly werent part of the dcu continuity. was selina always originally a prostitute, if so when was the issue first brought to light? perhaps early in the previous series?? also, was holly always in the dcu from catwoman's past? im just confussed about if frank miller borowed the prostitute origin from the dcu or if it was the other way around and the same w/ holly. plus the actual panel flashbacks in CW 94 was strange seeing as how it was an elseworlds story. peace.

[James Harvey]

Here's something I got thinking of just this morning. Why not a whole thread to deal with the weekly shipping mainstream Batman/Superman/JL comics, and then a seperate one for the animated comics. So we'd have Batman: Gotham Adventures Talkback, Superman Adventures Talkback, Justice League Adventures Talkback, Batman/Superman Weekly Comics Talkback, and (finally) a JLA Comics Talkback. Is this cool? If so...welcome to the first Batman/Superman Weekly Comics Talkback. The Batman/Superman titles released this week include:

ACTION COMICS #785
BATMAN #597
BATMAN: THE ANKH #1
CATWOMAN #1
SUPERMAN & BATMAN: GENERATIONS II #4

I may splice in the Catwoman #1 Talkback thread in later...

[Trent Lane]

I never read Catwoman before, but seeing that Cooke was doing the art I picked it up. Very nice, a little animated style to it. Tho I'm not up on all the stuff that happened in the last volume, this issue has probably got me hooked for a while...

[Clayface]

Originally posted by DerekPowers

in catwoman #94, flashbacks and many references are made to Batman: year one. and in this issue, Holly from year one appears. Plus catwoman's past as a prostitute is dealt with. I was always under the impression that year one was an elseworlds, meaning the whole prostitute thing and holly werent part of the dcu continuity.

Nope, Year One was Miller's take on Batman's early years, and is in fact part of DC continuity and not an elseworlds story. But, unfortunately, a lot of Catwoman fans wish it wasn't - many were very offended with the idea of Selina having been a prostitute.

was selina always originally a prostitute, if so when was the issue first brought to light? perhaps early in the previous series?? also, was holly always in the dcu from catwoman's past? im just confussed about if frank miller borowed the prostitute origin from the dcu or if it was the other way around and the same w/ holly.

Catwoman was, I believe, just a cat burgular in the DC continuity until Frank Miller's Year One came along. In Year One, he retold her origin, including the prostitute aspects. This was, I believe, the first time she was shown to be a prostitute, and became "cannon" with Year One's publication.

[Joker85]

This is a great idea!!! Anyways, I just read Batman # 597 and I loved it!! The fast paced action and artwork drew me in instantly!! I liked Zeiss in this issue too, which surprised me because i didn't really like him last month. Maybe that's just cause it was a Last Laugh issue...

[Clayface]

I just hope to all that is holy that we've seen the last of Zeiss. I just can't stand this character, and want to move on to something else already. I wince every time I see the guy show up in the pages of Batman. Next please!

[DerekPowers]

are you sure year one is part of the regular continuity?? if so, i dont know how i feel about that, i think it works way better as an elseworlds. and if it is part of the dc continuity, then that presents some problems. mainly the fact that in year one it implies HEAVILY that gordon knows bruce wayne is batman. in fact, im pretty sure he figured it out by the end, and the fact that he knows in the dark knight returns sort of confirms it in a way.

plus, not to change the subject, but has holly appeared in any catwoman or batman comics other than year one and now catwoman 1? thanks. peace.

[Salvor]

Cooke's artwork was - as usual - amazing. Very stylish. I don't care about some minor - and so-called - flaws, his style is superb compared to most pencillers working in the comics industry these days.

The story was great too. Really great. I've become a huge EB fan

[Ed Liu]

Howdy,

Originally posted by DerekPowers
are you sure year one is part of the regular continuity?? if so, i dont know how i feel about that, i think it works way better as an elseworlds. and if it is part of the dc continuity, then that presents some problems. mainly the fact that in year one it implies HEAVILY that gordon knows bruce wayne is batman. in fact, im pretty sure he figured it out by the end, and the fact that he knows in the dark knight returns sort of confirms it in a way.

plus, not to change the subject, but has holly appeared in any catwoman or batman comics other than year one and now catwoman 1? thanks. peace.

Gordon suspects Bruce Wayne is Batman in Year One (well, actually, it was Sgt. Essen who suggested it), and goes to question him about it, but he drops his investigation because Bruce has alibis for all the nights in question. "He has a name and a number for every night I ask about. They're all women. They're all beautiful." or something like that... In any event, his running diary never suggests that Gordon suspects any duplicity on Bruces' part after the interview, so either Gordon didn't guess it or is being tight-lipped about it in his own diary.

_DK Returns_ has been declared non-canon by DC -- it's an Elseworlds story as far as the editorial team is concerned, although it wasn't called such at the time. I always thought Bruce would have revealed himself to Gordon after he (Bruce, that is) retired, but I don't think that's explicitly stated.

I thought Holly also appeared in the _Catwoman: Her Sister's Keeper_ mini-series, which appeared shortly after _Year One_. I'm blanking entirely on who wrote it, other than that she's one of the better known female comic writers and she's not Colleen Doran.

-- Ed/Ace

[James Harvey]

I hope this is the last we've seen of Ziess, too. He was a good charatcer but got deathly overused. It'll be nice for Brubaker to tackle some other Batman villians in the coming months...

[Clayface]

Originally posted by DerekPowers
are you sure year one is part of the regular continuity??

Yep, its part of regular continuity. Don't know if you know this, but Year One was actually a four-part story in the mainstream Batman comics - Batman #404-407.

[James Harvey]

I'm gonna merge this with the Batman/Superman Weekly Comic Talkback.

BTW - Anyone pick up the new issue of Action Comics with Bizarro? Bizarre read...

[Samhaine]

On the Gordon knowing Bruce is Batman subject:

It's been heavily (and I mean heavily) implied by Rucka since the end of NML that Gordon knows Bruce is Batman, but he won't go and say to him "Hey, you're Batman!". I mean, the guy isn't the idiot that we saw in the movies, this is a good cop that's been working for years. He knows how to put pieces together.

And, to any Catwoman readers of yore (I have some of the earlier issues, and started getting the new series because of Brubaker), when did Batman discover that Selina was Catwoman??? In the animated series, he knew from the start, but in the comics, as far as I knew, no one knew she was Catwoman. Anyone know?

[Clayface]

Since people keep bringin up these topics in separate threads, here's a *bump*.