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    Greeting Fellow Sonic and Sally Fans

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    Today is Friday, February 24, 2012, the time is 11:45 AM.


    Greetings fellow Sonic fans, I want to start off by apologizing first of all for making it sound like I have not been standing in the middle as I've been saying. Secondly I want to apologize for what apparently will probably be another long wall of text (as some of you see it).


    Now onto the reason for the first apology. You have to understand that I was about 14 years old when I discovered the Saturday morning cartoon of Sonic The Hedgehog, it was also around this time that I also discovered the comic book being published by Archie comics. Now you fast-forward 20 years later or nearly 20 years later and as most of you can tell I am still a fan of the overall franchise. From what I have said in previous posts and of other means of communication, I may have sounded like I didn't care for what Ian Flynn had done. Now I won't lie to you, I am among many that are not too happy with what Ian Flynn did to Princess Sally. However I can respect and understand that the comic book does need to be shaken up every now and then, and that the heroes at times must face and deal with dark days ahead of them.


    The problem though that I along with many others have with this is that we understand and respect the fact as I mentioned above that the characters and stories in the comic need a good dark shakeup once in a while, the thing is though we're used to seeing that occur for about 4 to 5 issues at the most, and if necessary as in the case of the Iron Dominion story arc for up to a year, we however and I know some of you may and may not agree are not used to dealing with something like this for which is schudle to be about two years.


    It is true that in most comic books that when you reach your 250th issue that you want to do something spectacular, you want to do something memorable, something that it will have people talking for years to come. And with all due respect I can understand why Ian Flynn would want to do that, I mean with the comic book itself entering its 20th anniversary in 2013, wanting to cap that off in a big way is understandable. But many feel that Ian Flynn could have done everything he's doing now story wise by not turning Sally into a robot and putting Antoine quite possibly on deaths door. As a matter of fact they feel he could have gone in a different direction and yet could have gotten the same results. Again I respect and understanding the some you may and may not agree with that, and that's okay.


    However when you get a fan as long-time as myself and those that I have mentioned in previous posts, you have to understand and I know I sound like a broken record here, but you have to understand that were not used to seeing these characters in these predicaments especially if it's going to last till next year.
    Now one of you here at these message boards pointed out the fact that I am in my 30s and that I shouldn't be obsessed over something that is happened to a fictional character. The truth of the matter is I'm not obsessed, like I said above, I've been a fan for over 20 years or at least going on 20 years, and in those 20 years no matter who wrote the character, no matter who drew the characters design, no matter how much the character evolved and changed, I've been used to seeing them as they are. Now this also goes for other fans that are in the 30s, heck even the fans that are in their 40s and beyond, you can even add fans that in there in the 20s, and they will all agree with the fact that no matter who wrote the character, no matter who drew the character, and no matter how much that character changed over the past 19 to 20 years, we've been mostly used to seeing them as they are/were.


    You sit there and you probably read this and say, "Well Brian, in 1999 they changed Amy Rose's design when they did Sonic Adventure, so what's the big deal?" The big deal is the fact that if we were given any clue on hint that are design change for the character was coming, it would have come a long time ago. You know what's funny is that there is a artist over at the DA site who as of today uploaded and posted a picture of Nagus changing Sally back to normal like he did Bunnie, but because of the modifications that were done to Sally as a robot, the end result was Sally and what many could see coming and could be a possibility in a Sega style design. Now looking at the condition that she's in now in the comics, that little comic that this person drew could be a sign of things to come.


    Getting back on topic though, many say that this comic book is an all ages comic and its because of that, that people like myself who are in the 30s and maybe even beyond that or below that, have a right to say what we feel about what's going on as well as we have a right to want to create anti-group's on things we don't like.


    I do however understand that some you like the dark atmosphere that the comic is currently in and that you cannot wait to see what happens next, believe me I understand we're coming from that, but being the long-time fan that I am and even though I will resubscribe starting next week for another year and even though I may not open the issues I receive, it does not mean that I will not stand in the middle, for you see that is exactly what I'm doing, it's just that with what happened to the Sally character and what's happening with Antoine possibly, these are just a few things that I'm against, everything else I stand in the middle for.


    Now you probably want an explanation on that. Okay I understand, here it is, when I figured out along with everyone else that Sally was going to be robotisized, I made a promise to myself that untill the whole thing is resolved and she is return to normal that I would not open one single issue of the comic that I receive in the mail, I also stated that I would not do any reviews if you will untill the whole thing is over. Now what this means is technically I'm standing in the middle to see exactly where Ian Flynn will take this story arc and also because I've been a longtime fan of the character I do not want to read an issue of the comic with her robotisized, now true I do own the 29th issue, but as somebody pointed out on one of these forms, her being a robot in that issue was for that issue only, it wasn't at the level that it's at right now. Some of you will probably read this and continuously look at me as a Sally fan boy, truth be told I am a fan of the character but I'm not a obsessive fan. Yes I do own one of the rare Sally plushes, but that's about it. The thing is I just don't like what's happened to her.


    What's happened to her is kind of the equivalent of let's say your favorite NFL team getting screwed in the playoffs and you refusing to watch the rest of the playoffs because of that. I know that's a strange example but you kind of get hopefully what I'm getting at.


    In closing let me say this, yes I'm a fan of Sally and yes I am a fan of Antoine and yes I'm a fan, long-time fan of the Saturday morning cartoon just like anybody else, however I am not obsessive and I do stand in the middle and even those that stand in the middle can have dislikments of what they see, in other words we get to stand/sit on the sidelines and watch what happens but we do not have to like what has happened to certain characters involved.


    So hopefully and I don't know if it will help, this straightened things out.


    Friday, February 24, 2012, ending time at around 12:32 PM

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    @bwrosas: There's a rule about comics: Adapt or fail. One needs to keep the story interesting or story becomes stale. That's makes an epic, by raising the stakes so the payoff would be amazing.

    Some writers have stated: Hurt the protagonist, because it creates life.

    And the changes they have are not even that dark. Shocking, but not even remotely grim. Digimon Tamers was darker than this, and plenty of kids got through that.
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    The only thing I find off putting about this arc is that you have a lot of the online fans acting like because Ian Flynn is changing the status quo now that everything he did before was utter crap. There was a period where he was organizing the retooling all the stuff from the early days/Bollers/Penders-era which only recently ended right before Genesis. Everything since then has been taking what was established and turning it on it's head. Sally's roboticized, Bunnie's de-roboticized, New Mobotropolis was decimate, the monarchy has shifted, never mind that he's taking a very Joss Whedon approach in storytelling where no one (sans the SegaSonic cast) is safe. I'm pretty sure he's also going to push the boundaries of what he can do to the SegaSonic cast. I like how the series is currently challenging the audience, but the one thing I've ALWAYS loved about Flynn's writing is how he writes the character's with well-defined personalities that engage the reader. While I don't dislike the Bollers/Penders era I do think it ran into the issue of either talking down to the readers with corny dialogue, or sometimes going the complete opposite and making things far more complex than they needed to be.

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    If it weren't for Sega's mandates, things would be different in Archie's Sonic comic book series no doubt!

    Monday, February 27, 2012
    time 11:03 AM


    Believe it or not, the topic I did has not yet been posted on any of these message boards, yes surprising I know. So here we go with the topic I like to call "If it weren't for Sega's mandates, things would be different in Archie's Sonic comic book series no doubt!"



    I understand that this has probably been brought up several times on various Sonic message boards and websites. However I have yet to give my two cents on it. So that's exactly what I'm going to do here. Now the things I will say some you may and may not agree on but trust me when I talk about them you'll probably understand and agree that if it wasn't for Sega sticking their nose into the comic as often as they do from what many fans and even comic book critics themselves have said and pointed out that they do, then there's no doubt that things and characters in the comic would all be on an equal basis.




    It's hard to believe that despite all the differences that we as a overall fanbase have with each other, the one constant that we can agree on, is that Sega needs to stop sticking their nose into the comic book and its spinoffs, and allow the writers to create development for each and every character no matter if they're from a cartoon series, if they're originally made for the comic itself, or even if they're the exclusive game characters that we all know and play as when any kind of Sonic game is released to the public.




    I mean when you look at how much more interesting and more developed characters and the environments they inhabit could be if Sega didn't stick their nose and mandate certain things, the comic overall in the eyes of many would be more enjoyable than as some put it it is right now. The reason being is because you could allow not just the cartoon and the comic exclusive characters to develop even more so, even if we don't like a certain way of how their being developed currently, but it would allow the game characters themselves to have more development even if it's just for the comic book and it's spinoff.




    I mean characters like Amy Rose could have more development in character if Sega didn't mandate to Archie comics that she don't be changed much from her game counterpart. Now some fans would agree with these mandates, while others won't and especially if it comes to a character like Amy who does have her share of fans, then there is no doubt that more can be done with her character. I mean as crazy as it sounds you could have had Amy be the one that got turned into a robot and by doing so in a character developing way it would show how much she cares not only for the planet but how much Sonic means to her and the way I see it it would probably create just as much drama and have just as much a long-lasting effect, probably just as much as Sally's current situation right now is having on the comic. But again this could have only happened if Sega didn't mandate and stick their nose in the comic as much as they do.




    Another character that gets some development but not as much as he should, is Tails. Fans have said that if it wasn't for Sega and their mandates, that we could see more development in Tails's character. Development which could range from not just his intelligence for building and inventing things. That we could see more character development beyond that. Heck, one of the things fans question and wonder is if Tails would ever get in a relationship, and from what we have seen, and from what fans have speculated on, the possibilities of him having a girlfriend are endless, characters like Mina, Amy, and as crazy as it sounds, Nicole are a few names being thrown around. But yet Sega doesn't allow that to happen in the comic because of their mandates. True when it came to Sonic X, Tails did get a love interest, but it wasn't until the second half of the final season. And what's funny is in the second to last episode, unlike the uncut French and Japanese versions, Tails, vocally wasn't able to show the motion that he showed in the uncut versions in our 4kids American version. And again it goes back to Sega's mandates, which believe it or not upset a majority of the fans. And just like with the comic at times, you can put the blame if you will on Sega's mandates.




    Other characters like Knuckles, Shadow, and even Rouge are limited in character development thanks to Sega's mandates on the comic. I mean there is so much more that can be done with these characters and yet Sega doesn't allow Archie comics or any of the writers on both comic books to do anything development wise. I mean sure, Knuckles is the exception in some areas, I mean he does have a girlfriend/soulmate in Julie-Su, but that's about it. The other two you could do so much more with in the comics, instead of just having them appear every now and then. Again however you can thank Sega's mandates.




    And speaking of characters, it took what would be/felt like 6 to 7 years to get Cream and her mother Vanilla in the main comic. And what's funny is their debut came after Silver's debut in the main comic. And yet again all thanks to Sega's mandates.




    Heck, one villain that fans want to see in the comic, is Eggman Nega. And with the exception of just his ship flying by in the first panel of the first issue of the "Treasure Team Tango" miniseries of the SU comic, we have yet to physically see him in any major role in the comic or it's spinoff. Which again you can blame Sega's mandates. Now I know some you will point out the fact that he appeared in a off panel parody on the last page of one of the SU comics, but have we seen him in any major story arc physically in the comic or the spinoff? Not from what I've seen. And yet again it's all thanks to Sega's mandates.




    And speaking of this villain, let's talk about the one that opposes him, no not Sonic, but one of my personal favorites, Blaze. And yet again and I know I'm repeating myself saying that, but yet again thanks to Sega's mandates and what they say can be used and who could be used in the comic, Blaze is another character that only makes appearances every now and then, and there is so much more that can be done with her character and yet Sega because of their mandates and saying what can and can't be done, we're not allowed to see it become a reality. And the same goes for her sidekick and friend Marine, so much can be done with her even though she's a newer character, that a lot more can be done in the comic and spinoff, but yet because of their mandates we don't see it.




    Then we come to the biggest one, their mascot, the one character that took their Corporation to levels it's never been to before, and the one character that is not allowed in the comic book and it's spinoff to have more development than he should. And of course I'm talking about Sonic. I mean with the current story arc in the main comic and in the spinoff, so much more emotional character development can be done with him. Now true we are seeing with the Sally situation, character development with him, emotional and as some see it on the verge of literally letting all his rage and anger come out. But yet we don't see much more. I mean wer're not even allowed to see him shed a tear here as much as he should during emotional moments. When the first season of the Saturday morning cartoon happened we only had one episode were he shed some tears, but then in the second to last episode of the second/final season at the end of that episode he has a saddened look on his face but yet we don't see no tears coming down and then we see him standing outside of his Uncle's hideout just waiting and that's it. And again all thanks to Sega's mandates.




    This is the one thing many fans, despite their differences with each other feel needs to be changed. They will all agree and some won't though, but most will agree that Sega needs to stop sticking their nose in the comic book's business. As far as they are concerned, let the comic be it's own entity, don't continuously say what can be and what can't be used and let the writers have free range. Because by doing so it puts all characters and I mean ALL characters on equal ground and makes them all vanulable to the same events and situations that the cartoon and comic exclusive characters are vanuable too. Now again some fans may not agree with this, but I think overall many others will.




    So in closing, that me say this, it only takes ONE to start a revolution, it only takes ONE to start a fire, and what this means is that it only takes ONE to cause Sega to stop sticking their nose in areas of their Sonic franchise that they do not need to stick into.


    And that's all I can say about this issue.


    Monday, February 27, 2012
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    STH151NicoleFan's Sonic Comic Theories

    Mobius years later. What can be said about this topic. Many have felt that it is part of the Sonic comic books continuity. Well others say that it's not canon. Now both sides may be correct in some ways. For those that say that MXYL is part of the comic book continuity, they have valid points. As a matter of fact one fan over at a certain popular media site recently as of tonight did a 8 1/2 long minute theory on why they feel MXYL is part of the continuity in some ways. One of the things they bring up is the resurgence wars and the elemental wars that were discussed and talked about and briefly mentioned it if you will by Antoine and Bunnie's son Jaques in the last two to issues of the MXYL saga that was presented in the Sonic Universe comic.


    You may ask yourself why this fan brought this theory up? Well from what they can see in the more recent events of the main comic and the SU comic, they feel there could be some truth behind it. The reason they think and theorize this belief, is because of what will be happening in future issues. One of the things they brought up was the Ancient Onyk aka the black chaos Emerald, for which Tikal and Chaos resided in. They feel that with this theory that this could be the beginning of the aforementioned wars that were briefly mentioned in the MXYL Saga. Which in turn they feel, from what I read, they feel could bring Tikal and Chaos together as Tikahos. Now I remind you that these are just theories that this fan over at this media site is thinking of, and feel could be closer to the truth and closer in connection to the MXYL then anyone could have thought.


    I understand and I'm sure this fan understands that nobody will believe these theories. However there might be one theory or maybe two that they may agree on. What might those be you ask? Well the first one has to do with Snively and the missing blue chaos Emerald. For you see this fan feels that there is a connection between Snively and the missing Emerald. Because they believe that Snively has the missing Emerald. You may ask why that might be the case? According to this fan, Snively was the first one to report the Emerald missing, and most recently as of issue 234 and issue 37, has finally decided to take matters into his own hands and finally overthrow Dr. Eggman, as well as at the same time free his beloved Queen Regina. Now to me as somebody that read this theory, I have to agree with it. Because even though I have yet to open any of my subscription issues, from the summaries I have read and from the theories and predictions that I have watched and read, that have been provided by other fellow Sonic fans. When you piece these pieces of this very puzzle together, it all makes sense.


    Now the final theory is actually a theory I talk about myself in a two-part audiovideo, but it seems that I'm not the only one. For you see just like those that have written about it and have talked about it, this theory has to do with one Hershey the Cat. Now of course many have speculated possibly the same theories and thoughts as this fellow fan has. And that being of course after 233 and even before that, that Ms. Hershey is alive and well and undercover as part of the Mobius South American Dark Legion. Now for those that ask why people may speculate this. It's because when you look at one of the upper panels in the mid pages of issue 37 you will see a female legionnaire being confronted by one of the grandmasters. And then you add in the description for issue 237 in a few months that a mysterious figure is tracking Sonic, Tails, and Amy, one can guess and wonder as to who that could truly be that is following them.


    Now please understand that these are just theories that this fellow fan and friend of mine came up with tonight.


    Now I did not mention all of what they said, you will have to read it yourself. But let's just say it has some to do with the 3 spirits that have awakened inside Ixis Nagus, as for the rest you have to read yourself.




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    SU#37: only later after reading did I realize there were no Mobians at all in this issue. Is this a first? The current storyarc is pretty solid, though Peppers' art on the human characters is kinda awkward, Snively being the most. Then again, I'm not used to seeing humans in the comics these days besides Eggman and Snively. You feel a little bad for pointy-nose losing Hope again, but he brought it upon himself. And the MST3K cover is amazing.

    I'm not exactly looking forward to the next arc with Silver and the Secret FFs much. It's not a bad idea, but a new Knuckles story is way overdue.

    STH #235: in which the council doesn't act entirely idiotic for an issue, and Sonic finally gets Silver to shut up about traitors (the hospital dash, best part). The new Harvey Who continues to be a pleasure, and the Off-Panel had a Wes Weasely cameo. Brilliant! Shame the overreactive fans are ranting about shakeups and muttering 'childhood rape', the storylines quite exciting these days.
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    How will the "Rumored Reboot" Affect The Sonic Comic Book series, etc

    You know, with the rumored news that the Sonic franchise (overall) is being considered for a reboot in 2014 if not beyond that, one has to wonder how this will affect the comic book series, the main one and the universe one, as well as all the specialized books and graphic novels that have come and will be coming out in the near future, how will this rumored reboot affect it overall.


    Well there are many ways to look at it. 1. Archie comics could just restart the main comic book series with an all-new number one issue, just like comic book companies like Marvel and DC do with some of their titles. Now that could be one way to go, but the question is, will the fan base/subscribers/readers of the comic accept it? Some fans have stated that a reboot is necessary, because they feel that if the comic book series restarts fresh without any of the confusion that the current comic book in their eyes is/has caused throughout its history, they feel and believe would be for the better.
    Others however feel that a reboot is not necessary, and that all that needs to be done is for whoever is in charge to basically fix the confusion that some say is there. I mean from what they have said, a reboot would not change anything. Because just like with the current comic, we would still have the same staff working on the new one that is currently working on the current one.


    Another option fans would look at as a possibility, is if Archie comics decided to do another spinoff, in other words should this rumored reboot occur, instead of restarting the main comic and the universe spinoff, that doing an all-new original spinoff comic based on the rumored reboot would be better than just stopping the main comic and the universe spinoff in mid-story arc.


    Now despite whatever direction Archie comics may go in, should the rumored reboot occur. One has to think about those working on the comics. I mean right now we are in the middle of this very epic if not controversial story arc in the main comic book and it's spinoff. Now no one knows for sure if the 50th issue of the universe comic and the 247th issue of the main comic will be the beginning to the conclusion of this epic/controversial story arc that is currently going on. The reason being, is that those working on the comic have kind of hinted at the fact that this story arc may continue well beyond the 250th issue of the main comic, which when you look at it could very well be a reality and a possibility.


    However, plans may change. For if this rumored reboot becomes a reality, then the possibility of this epic/controversial story arc going beyond issue 250, could have to make a slight u-turn if the reboot somehow affects the main comic book series and the spinoff in some way. Because as I mentioned above, the reboot, rumor or not is being targeted for a 2014 release if not beyond that, and you have to realize if that is true and if it becomes a reality, then the plans truthful or not to extend this story arc beyond 250 may cause this story arc to end at 250. Because when you add the 25 more months to the 275th issue, that goes way beyond 2014 and into 2015 which is past or around the timeframe that the rumored reboot will/may occur. Again though, the only possibility for this story arc to extend beyond the 250th issue is for Archie comics to possibly create another spinoff comic based around the rumored reboot, that my fellow Sonic fans would be the only way.


    But then the question will arise though or has arised, what if Archie comics doesn't have a license no more to publish the Sonic comics in the future? Well what's ironic about that question, is that according to a previous report, the Sega Corporation themselves right now are in a financial downward spiral. In other words their losing a lot of money. And we all know that when a corporation goes belly up, that all the names, all the properties, and all the characters go belly up with them, that's if though a more financially secured Corporation comes in and buys up was left of the Sega Corporation. However, right now it seems Sega is okay. But even if they survive financially, will they still renew their license and allow Archie comics to publish the Sonic The Hedgehog comic book series, and it universe spinoff, etc.? Well, I would have to say that they probably will allow Archie comics to keep the license to publish the comics, for that is one way of gaining financial security for the Corporation.


    This of course, (the financial reasoning being one of the reasons), is why this rumored reboot of the Sonic franchise is being explored and discussed. And although some fans are skeptical about it, and some fans are intrigued by it. The question still remains, how will it affect the Archie comics publication of the Sonic comic book series, the universe spinoff, the graphic novels etc., in the near future? Will the main comic have to restart with an all-new number one issue, or when they create a spinoff comic based on this rumored reboot?


    Those my friends, are questions that we hope to have answered in the very near future.


    Thank you for your time

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    Fans Problems With Sally's Current Situation

    For those that wonder why fans like myself have a problem with Sally's current situation. Truth is, some of us don't. But the thing is we do know that she was robotized in issue #29, but it was only for half that issue, and even when she was robotic, she still had the same design (save for a few spikes in her feet), But again that was only for 1/2 of that issue.

    The problem is, some of not used to it being expand for this long, and don't like the fact that Ian wrote Eggman to weaponize her the way he did. The reason being, is in my honest opnion they would have just accepted her robotized form the way it orginally was, but when Ian wrote in the weaponization, that's when things, in the eyes of some/many went south for them.

    I say that, because many don't know if Ian just had Eggman put additional armor on her or detached and retached her head on a new weaponized body. See that is what, again in my honest opnion is driving some fans up the wall, the fact that Ian Flynn won't give a hint or straight answer to that question.

    But overall, with the execption of that, not many have problem with it.



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    One Thing I Will Never Understand About Ian Flynn (Written Topic)

    Is if he doesn't consider "Mobius 25-30 Years later" canon in someways. Then why did he follow up on it in a SU 4 issue arc. I understand resolving a cliffhanger that the previous writer left us on with the main comic. But why continue it, if he doesn't see it as canon.


    Okay I understand, he may see it, like many do as spoiling the obvious outcome in the war with Eggman. But if that is the case, then why continue it.


    True, he can (since he is the HEAD WRITER) can spin around a bit and say it takes place in another time and zone. However some may not buy that, and would still consider it canon.


    I think ever the previous writer (who created the original story) doesn't like the changes made. But in truth, there's nothing he or anyone else could do (except maybe Sega and Archie Comics uppers) about it


    But what do you think?

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