How CN Can Improve For The Better.

[Generator James]

Since my last thread was closed for being "too negative", i'm gonna try a more "positive" thread. How do you think CN can come back to it's former glory? My ideas
Fire Sndyer(Do I have to say this?)
Bring More Cartoons out of the deathslot
Have more vareity(kids like more than just Johnny Test)
Don't Delay New Cartoons(Sorry, I just live for instant gratification)
Don't Make Shows PG Just Because You're Trying To appeal to "Cool Kids"
And That's my ideas. What're you'res?

[dothesmartthing]

My only option is having Cartoon Network cut down the amount of back-to-back episodes and provide more cartoon variety. Bringing back shows like Johnny Bravo and My Gym Partner's a Monkey to its schedule can't hurt every once in a while. Otherwise, I'm quite satisfied with the current state of Cartoon Network, especially knowing that the new Pink Panther cartoon is premiering tomorrow.

[DarthGonzo]

My only option is having Cartoon Network cut down the amount of back-to-back episodes and provide more cartoon variety.

As long as that's what the competition does (and gets good ratings for it) I don't see CN altering their programming any time soon. In fact, cable as a whole is like that. Marathon or back-to-back scheduling is really the norm now.

[Generator James]

As long as that's what the competition does (and gets good ratings for it) I don't see CN altering their programming any time soon. In fact, cable as a whole is like that. Marathon or back-to-back scheduling is really the norm now.

Well, they should at least put back-to-back episodes for good shows like BATB or Alien Force.

[DarthGonzo]

Well, they should at least put back-to-back episodes for good shows like BATB or Alien Force.

I doubt they'd marathon the "bad" shows if people weren't watching them, so that logic goes out the window.

[Generator James]

^True. How about Back-to-Back more shows instead of just one?

[Kevin the Geek]

As long as that's what the competition does (and gets good ratings for it) I don't see CN altering their programming any time soon. In fact, cable as a whole is like that. Marathon or back-to-back scheduling is really the norm now.

This is the reason why I don't watch much satellite TV these days. Thank God for DVDs!

[Generator James]

This is the reason why I don't watch much satellite TV these days. Thank God for Hulu!

Fixed:anime:

[Silverstar]

1. Move the live-action projects somewhere else. Note that I didn't say kill them off; these shows have their place, but an animation channel isn't that place.

2. Stop trying so hard to appeal to just preteen boys. Just because tween boys have a lot of buying power and make up a good deal of your audience doesn't mean that everyone else should be ignored. Toon should appeal to everyone who loves cartoons. Which brings me to my next point...

3. Become more balanced. Ideally, Toon should feature a little something for everyone: some older toons for the nostalgia loving crowd, as well as some newer toon acquisitions, and some original cartoons, but more new shows and originals. Ideally, the new/old ratio on Toon should be about 75/25 in favor of the newer stuff. There should be a substantial amount of action cartoons for the action loving crowd, a substantial amount of comedy cartoons for the comedy loving crowd, some lighter fare for the kiddies, some harder fare for the older folks, some arty cartoons for the art house loving crowd, etc. There should be toons from the USA, toons from Japan, toons from Europe, toons from Canada, etc. The country of origin of a toon is irrelevant as long as said toon is good.

4. Bring back the Boomerang block. Cartoon Network shouldn't go retro altogether, but devoting certain non-peak viewing hours to the classics wouldn't hurt.

5. Expand Har Har Tharsdays and You Are Here to 3 hours. Within that, keep the shows featured on these blocks for the most part exclusive to their respective blocks, with only 1 or at a stretch 2 encores throughout the week as opposed to repeating the shows constantly throughout the week. Keeping the premiere shows exclusive would increase the desire to watch the blocks.

6. Bring back Looney Tunes. But put it on a better time slot this time around. Say, one afternoon airing and an nighttime airing as a lead-in to [adult swim].

7. Run Hero: 108 on a more desirable time slot. The show may not be fit for prime time, but anything would be better than 7AM. A weekday afternoon run would be better.

8. Instead of trying to emulate Nick and Disney, Toon should market itself as the alternatives to those channels. Self-explanatory.

[Generator James]

1. Move the live-action projects somewhere else. Note that I didn't say kill them off; these shows have their place, but an animation channel isn't that place.
2. Stop trying so hard to appeal to just preteen boys. Just because tween boys have a lot of buying power and make up a good deal of your audience doesn't mean that everyone else should be ignored.

1. Where? TBS? NO! TNT? NO!
2.

[Silverstar]

1. Where? TBS? NO! TNT? NO!

As long as they're off of Cartoon Network, I don't care. Perhaps Turner could launch a new general kids' entertainment channel for all of the CNReal shows, live-action movies and their ilk to air on.

2.

What don't you understand? There was a time when Cartoon Network had something for every cartoon lover, and there's no reason why they can't do this again. Boy-centric channels are a dime a dozen nowadays, and not everyone wants to see nothing but a bunch of teen boy-centric shows. Variety is the spice of life, after all.

[Sketch]

Sure they could put the CN Real crap on TBS or TNT in "kids blocks" or all the more likely TruTV. Yeah TruTV would probably be the most likely to be willing to have a "kids block". I would say The CW but that's an option anymore.

[Generator James]

What don't you understand? There was a time when Cartoon Network had something for every cartoon lover, and there's no reason why they can't do this again. Boy-centric channels are a dime a dozen nowadays, and not everyone wants to see nothing but a bunch of teen boy-centric shows. Variety is the spice of life, after all.

No, I mean what how is CN boy-centered? The only shows I can think of that fit that description are Ben 10,Clone Wars, & Generator Rex(The CNReal crap doesn't count).

[Bigchill]

Personally, I think CN should just kill off the whole "CN Real" block. I mean for petes sake the channel is called "Cartoon Network". Other than that, I think they should air some of the older shows like My gym partners a monkey or Courage a little bit more

[Rho]

Most important: Fire Stuart Snyder.

Anyway..

- Stop deathslotting new shows. This started with Gormiti, I believe. 6:00AM is not at all the right timeslot for a series to premiere on and air new episodes on. Gormiti could have done really well, but CN never gave it a chance.

- Shuffle around the live-action series. Put the dramas on The CW. (seriously, did they think 6-14 year old boys would want to watch drama series?)
Put the reality series (such as Dude What Would Happen) on a kids block on TruTV.

- Stop trying to be so much like Nick and Disney. If they want to beat at least Disney Channel in the ratings, airing live action shows is not the right way to go.
Disney XD is now beating CN often.
If they want to be so much like those channels and compete with Hannah Montana and Big Time Rush somehow, air music-oriented shows. Class of 3000. HiHi Puffy Ami Yumi. Hell, acquire K-On once it gets dubbed in English. It looks decent, and would make the anime fans wanting more anime on CN happy.


- Only live action on the channel = commercials. The only other exception should be shows/bumpers about making cartoons, or voice recording, like what used to be on Nicktoons a few years ago.

- Better form their blocks. HHT is starting to get back up on its feet, YAH is slightly messy, and Saturday mornings are destroyed. There's about 3 premieres on there now, not in a block. Then Bakugan airs new episodes randomly at 7PM.

[Loonie Toon]

Personally me I really don't care what CN does. I mean yes there's alot they could do but that's all to my preference and my preference doesn't equal to what they will do. I'm not the target demo for CN seeing as I'm 18 and I've grown to understand that this is not the same era as it was when I was growing up watching CN and I also understand this is a business. I watch CN every day but that equals to about 3 or 4 hours and usually just when shows like Ed,Edd and Eddy, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Chowder, Flapjack and Johnny Test come on. The only thing I faithfully watch is AS. But in all honesty I don't see all the backlash for CN. I'm going to guess the majority of the people who complain are over 18 and all have their memories of CN but let memories be memories and let time take it's course. This isn't the CN we grew up with and I just think people need to accept that. People need to face reality with these dreams and just understand they aren't 12 and under which is CN target demographic. These kids like these shows so be it.

Yes I think CN could do alot to get better shows and I wish that there would be some sort of rennisance similar to the 90s with animation but I think people who are doing all this complaining should stop complaining and dreaming and do something about it. I can't speak on others and I'm not trying to throw jabs but I'm in my final year in HS and I do too much with my teenage life to have dreams about cartoons or a network changing and when I graduate my life will go on. If you guys are really so passionate then maybe you should start doing animation. If you aren't doing anything other then sitting around and you're out of HS then start doing animation and trying to pitch shows. Maybe you should go to college or if you plan on going to college take a major in business and who knows maybe you'll get that job running CN 1 day. As far as I'm concerned CN could stay the exact same as it is today and it won't bother me any. There's no need for people who grew up with CN to want it be like what it was when they were kids because that's nothing more then nostalgia and more then likely won't happen. If I really want to see my old favorites I can get them on DVD or Blu Ray or watch them on the internet.

[DisneyXD]

How to make CN better:

* Stop deathslotting shows.
* Give import shows decent timeslots.
* Make Fridays a night for comedy and action premires again.
* Bring the Boomerang block back
* Add more variety
* Move the CNReal shows to TBS.

[chdr]

- Stop deathslotting new shows. This started with Gormiti, I believe. 6:00AM is not at all the right timeslot for a series to premiere on and air new episodes on. Gormiti could have done really well, but CN never gave it a chance.

On the contrary to what most people believe, CN doesn't actually want every new show that they get. The truth is that in order to get one show they really want, sometimes a network has to get two or three shows they don't as part of a deal with the company they're buying content from. In some cases, it's actually paid programming that the licensor is desperate to get on the air. And other times, it may be programming the network thinks is too "young" to air anywhere else. That's why you'll never see The Mr. Men Show in afternoons or primetime.

Put yourself in the network's shoes for a second, and you have a prime-time slot to fill. Do you put in: a) an awful, bland show you have no stake in that don't even want, or b), a proven success that kids will actually want? I'm sick of everyone acting so shocked and angered, as if this is some horrible new development. CN has always done this and will continue to do so in the future.

You're not missing much, anyways. Most of these "poor, poor unproven shows killed before their time" are awful, bland shows that deserve to be shafted, and probably wouldn't have made a splash anywhere else.

- Shuffle around the live-action series. Put the dramas on The CW. (seriously, did they think 6-14 year old boys would want to watch drama series?) Put the reality series (such as Dude What Would Happen) on a kids block on TruTV.

The CW is a sinking ship, and TruTV seems like one of least likely stations to start airing kids content. Even if that were to happen, Cartoon Network would still be producing and bankrolling these shows, when they shouldn't be involved in the first place. You wouldn't be fixing the problem, just moving it to a different network (whether or not it fits the network niche).

- Stop trying to be so much like Nick and Disney. If they want to beat at least Disney Channel in the ratings, airing live action shows is not the right way to go. Disney XD is now beating CN often. If they want to be so much like those channels and compete with Hannah Montana and Big Time Rush somehow, air music-oriented shows. Class of 3000. HiHi Puffy Ami Yumi. Hell, acquire K-On once it gets dubbed in English. It looks decent, and would make the anime fans wanting more anime on CN happy.

So they should stop doing what Nick and Disney are doing, by copying what Nick and Disney are doing, except for the specific things that Nick and Disney are doing? Class of 3000 and Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi were massive failures, and K-On is just another flavor-of-the-week niche anime that everyone will forget about in five years.

And DXD isn't "beating" Cartoon Network. The only "evidence" for that is the three hours on Saturday mornings that Cynopsis releases, and it seems hardly fair to pit highly-advertised premieres on DXD against death-slotted, low-rated shows on CN. The shows that really matter are in primetime. As an example of how out of CN's league DXD is, DXD's highest rated show (Kick Buttowski) barely breaks a 1.0 for premieres. Premieres of Johnny Test and DBD on CN usually perform in the 3.0-4.0 range.

And am I the only one who finds all these comments on wishing for Snyder to get fired a bit... mean-spirited? He can be competent when he wants to be. He's just a bit stubborn.

[Generator James]

And am I the only one who finds all these comments on wishing for Snyder to get fired a bit... mean-spirited? He can be competent when he wants to be. He's just a bit stubborn.

1. Give me 1 example of something he did that was competent.
2. You also complained about him, back in the "Future of CN Prime-Time" thread.
3. What if Adventure Time or Generator Rex was given the deathslot? How would you react?

[chdr]

1. Give me 1 example of something he did that was competent.
2. You also complained about him, back in the "Future of CN Prime-Time" thread.
3. What if Adventure Time or Generator Rex was given the deathslot? How would you react?

1. Comedy on Thursdays, picked up TDI, Excellent eye for creat-driven animation, etc...
2. I don't always agree with what he does, but he's not evil incarnate. Wishing for someone to be fired doesn't seem like the ethical thing to do, especially during these tough economic times.
3. Here's the thing. They won't be given the death-slot (at least, not right away).