My response to people taking fansub "ethics" too seriously...in case anyone cares

[nightwing_38116]

...posted on another board in response to people getting on each others case about fansubs and taking the issue of "ethics" and bootlegging too seriously, The following is my take on this issue.


I suppose that I'm just too used to dealing with things such as serious illness, racism and other problems to understand people getting so upset over cartoons. I have diabetes, ulcers, severe nerve damage in my legs and stomach, intestinal gastritus, heart palpatations,kidney problems, and hypertension. I go to work everyday (even when I feel like staying in the bed) and pay my car note, mortgage and other bills. I'm blessed because there are many who are less fortunate than I and thoughts of those people never escape me. I always deal with the fact I may very well need a kidney one day or become an amputee due to the nerve damage I've suffered. That's why I get sort of aggrivated when people drag this whole drawn out debate about the "ethics" of fansubs out. You have a valid point. Different things are important to different people. I apologize if anyone is offended by my attitude, I'm just offering my opinion. Later.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

I'm not sure how ethics and ulcers correlate, but okay.

Fansubs really suck anyway. The quality is always piss-poor.

[nightwing_38116]

Originally posted by Leap Larry Jojo
I'm not sure how ethics and ulcers correlate, but okay.

Fansubs really suck anyway. The quality is always piss-poor.

The point is that people waste a ton of time getting all upset over cartoons and some twisted sense of ethics when there are FAR more important things to worry about. Most of my fansubs are excellent quality (many coming from a laserdisc or dvd source). It all depends on who and where you get them from.

[RockItShipper]

Look, if a company's not going to pay for the Japanese voice track and/or does extensive rewrites... It's a separate market but you really don't have to nitpick about it online. I'm not about to start getting subs/nontranslated shows that are commercially available subbed, but I'm probably not about to pick up Zero Two, Tamers or Pokesubs if and when they ever become available. Not with the collection I've accumulated over the past year and my goal of learning Japanese. But it's not something I see the need to philosophize about or rationalize. I know countless reasons of why it works for my day-to-day life and why it's not a problem for 4Kids and Saban. But there's more important things to talk about/concern yourself with. And that's exactly what nightwing's talking about.

[mxyzptlk]

as cool cartoons are that is a really dumb thing to get mad about. i agree their are alot more importent things in life than cartoons

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Originally posted by mxyzptlk
as cool cartoons are that is a really dumb thing to get mad about. i agree their are alot more importent things in life than cartoons

Yes, that's why we should just get rid of these toonzone boards because they are really unimportant in the bigger scheme of things.

Nightwing--
Obviously, message boards are largely for recreation. Sometimes topics can get petty and immature--but no more petty than threads like "What's the worst cartoon of all time?" To try to deny people to argue passionately over petty things (when it's actually on-topic) is anti-social. Don't like the debates? Don't participate in them. It's a bit strange to tell people to worry about more important things like racism and crime on cartoon message boards. I can understand it if you're against such bootlegging talk on boards not suited for the topic. But if it is, just ignore it. They pop up all the time, and I've gotten to the point where I just ignore the whole fansub issue.

[nightwing_38116]

Originally posted by Leap Larry Jojo


Yes, that's why we should just get rid of these toonzone boards because they are really unimportant in the bigger scheme of things.

Nightwing--
Obviously, message boards are largely for recreation. Sometimes topics can get petty and immature--but no more petty than threads like "What's the worst cartoon of all time?" To try to deny people to argue passionately over petty things (when it's actually on-topic) is anti-social. Don't like the debates? Don't participate in them. It's a bit strange to tell people to worry about more important things like racism and crime on cartoon message boards. I can understand it if you're against such bootlegging talk on boards not suited for the topic. But if it is, just ignore it. They pop up all the time, and I've gotten to the point where I just ignore the whole fansub issue.

When people begin to use racial slurs, threats, and other insults over the "ethics" behind some friggin cartoons it becomes a bigger issue and that was what my point is leaning toward. In many instances when you post on some other boards these nuts come after you, so you're not given much of an opportunity to avoid these little spats. I just wonder about the mental capacity of those kind of people. No one said get rid of ANY board, I'm just saying that people need to grow up. I'm aware that most of the people I'm talking about are either ignorant about life's more serious issues or just like to stir up trouble.

[Nightwing]

Originally posted by nightwing_38116


When people begin to use racial slurs, threats, and other insults over the "ethics" behind some friggin cartoons it becomes a bigger issue and that was what my point is leaning toward. In many instances when you post on some other boards these nuts come after you, so you're not given much of an opportunity to avoid these little spats. I just wonder about the mental capacity of those kind of people. No one said get rid of ANY board, I'm just saying that people need to grow up. I'm aware that most of the people I'm talking about are either ignorant about life's more serious issues or just like to stir up trouble.

I can see what Larry is getting at, but I slightly disagree, and agree with nw38116. There are more important things in life, and I think nw makes a very good point, especially and specifically from the way he says it.

Originally posted by Leap Larry Jojo

Yes, that's why we should just get rid of these toonzone boards because they are really unimportant in the bigger scheme of things.

Nightwing--
Obviously, message boards are largely for recreation. Sometimes topics can get petty and immature--but no more petty than threads like "What's the worst cartoon of all time?" To try to deny people to argue passionately over petty things (when it's actually on-topic) is anti-social. Don't like the debates? Don't participate in them. It's a bit strange to tell people to worry about more important things like racism and crime on cartoon message boards.

True, but I don't think that's exactly where nw is standing with his point. Personally, I think these message boards are the most excellent place for strong real world opinions and the entertainment industry to be combined, to get more insight from the real world stuff. It's like having more of an open mind, so find solutions for the problems the world has. It gives a whole new meaning to the term "open mind". And everyone benefits.

Plus, in my experience, (because of just how some people are) topics like 'What's the worst cartoon' can unfortunately get as heated as a debate over abortion. I think it's all about control, and an extensive list of "maybe's" that go hand in hand with each individual, and how they are.

You just have to take the good with the bad -as with anything else in the world. So in that sense I guess these boards are a smaller versian of the real world, just smaller scale. And thankfully, I am to listen to DG instead of W. Bush, which to me is QUITE the advantage and relief lemme tell ya.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

i]Originally posted by Nightwing [/i]
[B]

I can see what Larry is getting at, but I slightly disagree, and agree with nw38116. There are more important things in life, and I think nw makes a very good point, especially and specifically from the way he says it.

I never disagreed that there were more important things in life than cartoons. But I took his meaning as if he meant that such little topics SHOULDN'T be discussed at all, and I disagree with that. A forum is meant for discussion, no matter how petty and inconsequential. Some of them can get ugly and some of them are thoughtful and meaningful, but nobody should be denied what he can and cannot say, as long as he or she abides by forum rules and is on topic. I agree that getting worked up over little things is silly, but as long as the poster is conforming to rules, I don't see anything inherently wrong with it.

Anyway, he cleared it up later on.




True, but I don't think that's exactly where nw is standing with his point. Personally, I think these message boards are the most excellent place for strong real world opinions and the entertainment industry to be combined, to get more insight from the real world stuff. It's like having more of an open mind, so find solutions for the problems the world has. It gives a whole new meaning to the term "open mind". And everyone benefits.

Plus, in my experience, (because of just how some people are) topics like 'What's the worst cartoon' can unfortunately get as heated as a debate over abortion. I think it's all about control, and an extensive list of "maybe's" that go hand in hand with each individual, and how they are.

You just have to take the good with the bad -as with anything else in the world. So in that sense I guess these boards are a smaller versian of the real world, just smaller scale. And thankfully, I am to listen to DG instead of W. Bush, which to me is QUITE the advantage and relief lemme tell ya. [/B

Again, there is some miscommunication here on my part and everyone else involved. Relating to this specific forum, it dictates that pretty much anything is game as long as they don't break forum rules. My point was that people should be able to discuss their qualms and debate about big or little issues no matter how inconsequential they are in the scheme of life. Wanna talk about world issues? Great! Wanna talk about morality? Great! But that doesn't mean we should tell people to not debate about, say, the merits of Burger King burgers over McDonalds burgers.

But I digress. He was referring to people calling people names and using expletives, but I do not see that as a major problem because most boards are moderated, and secondly, I can ignore silly threads like that. So basically what I'm saying is that it is no bg deal. That's the internet for you. I've been flamed heaven knows how many number of times by nuts he's referring to. I ignore them and if it gets bad enough that the whole board is full of nuts, I move on. It's not a particular pain because to me, it's simply moving to a better area.

[DerekPowers]

look, i dont know about all the racism and anger you all are talking about, so i wont comment on it, but i will say FANSUBS ROCK!!!

seriously, i love my fan subs. i can get any anime tape in china town for $5-thats right-$5. sure they're bootlegged and slightly of a lesser quality than the regular videos you buy in stores, but i love em. Plus, when places like tower and virgin have the nerve to sell anime videos for 30 bucks (atleast thats how much they are here in ny) i say we have every right to pirate and bootleg. Plus, add the crappy translations and censoring of lots of anime,and thats even more of a reason why we should support fansubbing. well thats my little rant!!! Now i'm going to go watch some FAN SUBED anime!!! Yeeeehaaaa. hehehehee. hahahahahahah. peace yall.