Teacher, so frustrating at times!Warning:Rant

[Captain Zechs]

Well this is probably going to make me seem just mad cause I got a bad grade but this is untrue.

I just hate how teachers always take things out on the whole class when it is 1-2-3-4-5 people doing it. Like in Language Arts (English) my class is the worst. Althouygh we are honor students a select few are talkative, disruptive and just plain rude. My teacher decides to make things that are hard enough to get done in 2 days due by the end of class all the time because of so much noise they make. What is the problem with making those select few have it in by the end of class? I just don't understand sometimes and sometimes it DOES hurt my grade, this term i was lucky and everything was quite easy for me because I am a good writer. It is just frustrating when teachers do that from time to time. Now don't get me wrong, my English teacher is awesome, she is funny, nice and a good teacher, but sometimes she gets in such a bad mood because of them that I'm afraid to say hi.

And then in math, with the same class, today he gave EVERYONE 0's on a quiz because they were chatting. I hate it, why does he have to over react? I DID have an A but now i doubt that. A 0 does not help one bit, and it probably lowered my grade. I just hate it when a teacher has to punish the whole class because of a selct few. Infact we have told the teachers about this and they just don't seem to get it. *sighs*

To rap this up, i guess i am just complaining because i am sick of being punished because of other's actions during class. Right now I am in middle school (8th) does it get better in High School (9th-12th)?

-Zecs

[Fan of Sponge]

Usually those select few who cause trouble won't be in your classes from grades 9 to 12. I mean at my school, we had to pick classes and also follow the requirements in order to get a diploma. Some trouble makers will choose other classes than you; however, there's always going to be trouble makers that will make teachers punish the whole class. The problem will still go on through the 12th grade until graduation. The teachers should give those troublemakers Saturday detentions instead.

[Metroid_spy]

I'm in 7th Grade Middle School. Yeah I feel you. I have teachers like that too. Our math teacher last year got so mad at us if one person screwed up or something.

It is just frustrating when teachers do that from time to time. Now don't get me wrong, my English teacher is awesome, she is funny, nice and a good teacher, but sometimes she gets in such a bad mood because of them that I'm afraid to say hi.

Same here. But its my Science/History teacher. He's happy most of the time but then some times he gets so mad at us. Like today he got so mad at us because too many of us went to the restroom. Well there are teachers like that and us students have to cope with it.

[True Noir]

Does it get better? Well, in my school, teachers don't care if you're talking because they have a solution and that is they can just kick you out of the class. Most of my teachers are fair enough to not punish the entire class for one kid's mistake. My school is pretty strict too. If a teacher doesn't like you and you're on the verge of flunking, they can automatically fail you right there and then. It's just something we have to deal with.

[Fresh V]

Now don't get me wrong, my English teacher is awesome, she is funny, nice and a good teacher, but sometimes she gets in such a bad mood because of them that I'm afraid to say hi.

I understand what you mean. My Science teacher is extremely funny and nice, but some times he just bursts out in a furious voice saying "BE QUIT!" and threatens us that if we don't be quit, our test will be that day. It's actually kinda funny (), but it'd be really frustrating to take a test your not ready for just becuase of some loud people.

And then in math, with the same class, today he gave EVERYONE 0's on a quiz because they were chatting. I hate it, why does he have to over react? I DID have an A but now i doubt that. A 0 does not help one bit, and it probably lowered my grade. I just hate it when a teacher has to punish the whole class because of a selct few. Infact we have told the teachers about this and they just don't seem to get it. *sighs*

Woah, that's harsh. I've had some bad teachers, but none were that bad. I mean, I would be extrememly furious if that happened. That must be really annoying and frustrating for you. Luckily, my Math teacher is a nice guy, but last year.... *shudder* Imagine a teacher that gives you a composition for leaving the handle on your roller up. Yeah, I know.

To rap this up, i guess i am just complaining because i am sick of being punished because of other's actions during class. Right now I am in middle school (8th) does it get better in High School (9th-12th)?

-Zecs

Yeah, I know what you mean. I hate group punishments, it happes in my classes too. I just don't get how the teachers think this is fair. I'm currently in 7th Grade, and it never happened to us, but numberous times with last year's 8th Grade, some of the boys kept on talking and he punished the whole class by making them take their test right then. I'm lucky it didn't happen to us, but I know he isn't bluffing when he threatens
us every frickin' day.

Group punishment sucks.

[HumanoidTyphoon]

I understand what you mean. My Science teacher is extremely funny and nice, but some times he just bursts out in a furious voice saying "BE QUIT!" and threatens us that if we don't be quit, our test will be that day. It's actually kinda funny (), but it'd be really frustrating to take a test your not ready for just becuase of some loud people.

This reminds me of a kid who decided he was dropping out of High School. He wrote on the sign out sheet "I Quiet"



I never liked group punishment. It didn't really get any better in High School.

[Fone Bone]

When I was in high school ten or fifteen years ago somebody planted a pot plant on school property. The entire school was shut down. No classes, we weren't allowed to talk, it was really unfair. I was pissed about it because I sure as heck didn't do anything wrong. The punishment was supposed to end when someone came forward and admitted it but they never did so the school was forced to "reopen" itself three or four days later. I (like everyone else) was furious.

Later that year ANOTHER pot plant was found. The school was shut down and everybody was pissed off at the teachers again. Except me. I was furious with whoever planted the second pot plant. They KNEW the school was going to be shut down and they didn't care. They didn't have the balls to own up to it and let everybody just sit there not being allowed to talk for days on end. Everyone else was mad at the teachers but I knew they SHOULD have been mad at the buttholes who started the mess in the first place.

Maybe you should be mad at those cretins who continued disrupting the class even after the teacher warned them not to.

[Artimus Gigan]

Just incase you're wanting to know if it ends at college, it doesn't...

infact it can be worse

[EinBebop]

Speaking as someone who almost became a teacher, currently a part-time sub, I agree it's not fair. Unfortunately, it's often necessary. Since the students at the schools I work most frequently no longer say, "Hooray! A sub!" when they see me, I'm going to assume the students agree that I'm one of the unfair ones.

Now I can usually deal with three-four disruptors in various ways, especially if they're grouped together and/or I know names. (As a sub, unfortunately, I rarely know the names. I've found I really am weaker without it.) It's usually as simple as splitting them up, or kicking out the one that bothers me the most.

It depends to on how much power the teacher has to discipline. It varies from school-to-school, but ultimately 'the office' wants you to kick out as few people as possible, and no teacher wants to cross that invisible line. If you've got four, five, or more disruptors, and your school has no out-of-classroom alternatives like lunch detention, the teacher may see no alternative but to hold the whole class accountable for the actions of the few. So it's partly about how many disciplinary tools you have in your toolbox. If the number is small, a teacher may have to resort to the 'catch-all' more frequently than they would like. It's partly about the support of the administration. I have felt the press of having little support and few options, and it's not fun. Fortunately, there are a lot of work options where I am, and I don't return to those schools.

But the thing that you may be really be failing to consider on the student end is the attitude of the rest of the class. Are they 'enablers' to the disruptors? The enablers, of course, say it's not their fault, "They made me laugh." Usually, you'll have more disruptors because you have more enablers. In fact, the disruptors may just be the symptom, the cause being a room full of enablers.

Or to put it another way, an attitude problem. Are the clowns really that funny, or are people really just amused by the attempt to disrupt order and/or make the teacher angry? More often it's the latter, and that's not going to win any sympathy from me or any other teacher.

On the other hand, I've been in classrooms where the majority of the class is legitimately pissed at the disruptors. Even if the number of disruptors is a relatively large number, I couldn't mete out a class-wide punishment to a group like this.

On the flip side, thought, elementary school can be even worse, because the kids like to 'help'. Two or three students talking leads to four or five telling them to be quiet, and the 'helpers' are louder than the disruptors, making them harder to pick out. So in the end, all I hear is seven or so people talking.

I will agree that (in most cases) punishing the whole class for the actions of 1 to about four people is pretty extreme or lazy. I say in most cases because, as I said the number of disruptors is pretty relative to the number of enablers. And I also disagree in general with hurting an entire class's grades to discipline (such as giving a test early), though assigning extra work is another story.

Man, I feel like I've barely scratched the surface here. Rather than ramble on any further, I'll just wait and respond to the love I'm sure to get from the high school crowd here.

In the end, I try to be as fair as I can. But I will not lose control of a classroom to uphold the principle of fairness.

[Conekiller]

When I was in PE in 6th grade the teacher got pissed at a few gorup of guys who wre clowning around, so the teacher punished the entire class (we would separate out to boys and girls, so only the boys would be penalized here). He assigned everyone to run laps around the footbal field till the end of class an hour later.

Now I'm not the most atheletic perosn (in fact, I downright HATED PE ) and I hate being trated unfairly. So I did the best I could do. I did do laps, but I walked. I walked a slowly as I possibly could letting every other guy jog past me. I wasn't going to take the punishment intended for a few idiots.

After everyone finished, I was still at the other end of the field. and when called over I walked, at the same pace, across the field over to the rest of the class. When I got there the teacher got pissed at me (not having been pissed at me before, just as I got there...O_o) and demanded I go to the the Principal's office with him. Most of what happened afterward I don't remember, since I tuned most of it out anyway, being unfairly punished. But at least I got the satisfaction of sticking up for myself agianst the unfairness.

[Otaku Bishop]

To rap this up, i guess i am just complaining because i am sick of being punished because of other's actions during class.

I know how you feel...Everyday, someone ****s everything up, and everyday, I'm in trouble because of some little dumb ****. It's is stupid that everyone is punished.

[Stewie]

Great googily-moogily Einbebop. I think I actually agree with you.

Outside of an apparent love for Calvin & Hobbes and Cowboy Bebop (and who doesn't love those?), that's a first.

[EinBebop]

I think I actually agree with you... that's a first.

I could swear we agreed on something else once before... and I'm not just saying that to be disagreeable.

[Fresh V]

When I was in high school ten or fifteen years ago somebody planted a pot plant on school property. The entire school was shut down. No classes, we weren't allowed to talk, it was really unfair. I was pissed about it because I sure as heck didn't do anything wrong. The punishment was supposed to end when someone came forward and admitted it but they never did so the school was forced to "reopen" itself three or four days later. I (like everyone else) was furious.

Later that year ANOTHER pot plant was found. The school was shut down and everybody was pissed off at the teachers again. Except me. I was furious with whoever planted the second pot plant. They KNEW the school was going to be shut down and they didn't care. They didn't have the balls to own up to it and let everybody just sit there not being allowed to talk for days on end. Everyone else was mad at the teachers but I knew they SHOULD have been mad at the buttholes who started the mess in the first place.

Maybe you should be mad at those cretins who continued disrupting the class even after the teacher warned them not to.

Man, really? That's taking it to the extreme. Punishing the whole school for the acts of some dumb***es who like the school to be silent for days? How boring was it, sitting there not talking for days? How much were you guys being monitered? And what happened if you were caught talking? Well, I would never be caught, 'cause I have my smart ways.

About being mad at the "cretins", yeah, in my school, we get mad at those guys, too, along with the teacher. So, in your school, they didn't get mad at them, but only the teacher?

[Watagashi]

lol, I'm sort of know both sides of the spectrum. As a student, YES, I get constantly annoyed by having to be punished because of a stupid group of guys that just won't shut up. As a daycare teacher for after-school elementary kids, I have to put the whole class in time out because of the few that are being completely disruptive. I know and feel it's unfair to the kids that are being good, but there's absolutely no way I can handle it another way. See, there's about eleven in that class everyday and, say, four kids or five kids getting up and yelling/playing or whatever. I repeatedly tell them to sit down and they won't. Then, as Ein Bebop says, other kids'll be yelling out "SHUT UP!!" to the top of their lungs, of which I don't approve of either. So, in the end, after I count to three, I put all of them into a class five-minute time out. (give or take a couple minutes; depends on how loud they actually were) But usually they'll act up during time-out as well, so I decide to add on a minute for the class every time someone disrupts during time-out. Thus far, that seems like the most effective thing for me to do, and I'm still a big beginner at this sort of thing. I know it's unfair to the kids that are actually being nice, but there just doesn't seem to be another way around it when a third to half the kids are acting up.

Don't get me wrong, I've put four kids in time-out at the same time once, because it was soley their fault. And I add on a minute individually if one starts talking/stomping/whatever during said time-out. Anyway, I'm trying to be as fair a teacher as I can and, thus far, it's worked out okay. If there's any second opinions, I wouldn't mind hearing them, though. I'm still learning.

[Metroid_spy]

Man, really? That's taking it to the extreme. Punishing the whole school for the acts of some dumb***es who like the school to be silent for days? How boring was it, sitting there not talking for days? How much were you guys being monitered? And what happened if you were caught talking? Well, I would never be caught, 'cause I have my smart ways.

About being mad at the "cretins", yeah, in my school, we get mad at those guys, too, along with the teacher. So, in your school, they didn't get mad at them, but only the teacher?

Same as our school. But they don't really make the whole school be quiet. So the director of Challenger [my school] in California monitors every campus. So there was this dance like last year and some other campus had these two kids who snuck out and ran a mile away and got Starbucks. Because of this every campus has to get punished. Now no allumni or visitors can come to these dances now... They continued to do group punishment to all the campuses. Someone did something like 3 weeks ago and now visitors can only visit for 30 minutes or something... and can only visit if and only if they come with their parents...

[Fresh V]

Same as our school. But they don't really make the whole school be quiet. So the director of Challenger [my school] in California monitors every campus. So there was this dance like last year and some other campus had these two kids who snuck out and ran a mile away and got Starbucks. Because of this every campus has to get punished. Now no allumni or visitors can come to these dances now... They continued to do group punishment to all the campuses. Someone did something like 3 weeks ago and now visitors can only visit for 30 minutes or something... and can only visit if and only if they come with their parents...

Dude, it's okay to say I'm in your school too. It's in your frickin' profile.

Yeah. That really sucks. I don't think it's fair for them to do that. It was just like 3 kids or something, so why don't they just ban them? Then other kids wouldn't do the same thing. And even Allumni was banned. Dammit. Same with the think 3 weeks ago. I remember what it was. This visitor got into an argument with someone, and the visitor got so mad she threw some hazardous cleaning stuff in his/her's (can't remember) eye. He like went to the hospital or something, but he was fortunately okay. Then they just had to narrow the rule even more. I am mad at the school, but I also think that girl was a dumb**s. It's common sense not to spray frickin' cleaning spray in someone's eye, dammit. Geez.

Once again, group punishment sucks. I know I'd never do that if I became a teacher, unlike my Science teacher who shouts "BE QUIET!" and threatens us.... Oh god, Imagine if he comes to Toon Zone and reads this....

EDIT: Oh, and MP, you seem to lately have an obsession with giving out
info about your life.

[Fone Bone]

Man, really? That's taking it to the extreme. Punishing the whole school for the acts of some dumb***es who like the school to be silent for days? How boring was it, sitting there not talking for days?

Not too bad if I remember correctly. (It might have happened at a different school I went to too/instead.) I probably thought it was insufferable at the time but after the crappy life I've had since then I've come to think of it as nothing.

How much were you guys being monitered? And what happened if you were caught talking? Well, I would never be caught, 'cause I have my smart ways.

It was a special school so there was a teacher present at all times. I forget. I guess the kid had to stand in the corner or something.

About being mad at the "cretins", yeah, in my school, we get mad at those guys, too, along with the teacher. So, in your school, they didn't get mad at them, but only the teacher?

No, which I always thought was odd. Maybe because it was a special ed school and the people always sympathized with students who misbehaved. And it was teachers. Plural. The entire school signed off on this. Me? I was mad at whoever decided to plant the second pot plant. I understood being mad at the teachers the first time but after they KNEW what was going to happen I did NOT misplace my anger. Needless to say I didn't run for student council a second time (I was secretary). I didn't feel like doing anything else for the cretins at that school.

[Metroid_spy]

Dude, it's okay to say I'm in your school too. It's in your frickin' profile.

Yeah. That really sucks. I don't think it's fair for them to do that. It was just like 3 kids or something, so why don't they just ban them? Then other kids wouldn't do the same thing. And even Allumni was banned. Dammit. Same with the think 3 weeks ago. I remember what it was. This visitor got into an argument with someone, and the visitor got so mad she threw some hazardous cleaning stuff in his/her's (can't remember) eye. He like went to the hospital or something, but he was fortunately okay. Then they just had to narrow the rule even more. I am mad at the school, but I also think that girl was a dumb**s. It's common sense not to spray frickin' cleaning spray in someone's eye, dammit. Geez.

Once again, group punishment sucks. I know I'd never do that if I became a teacher, unlike my Science teacher who shouts "BE QUIET!" and threatens us.... Oh god, Imagine if he comes to Toon Zone and reads this....

EDIT: Oh, and MP, you seem to lately have an obsession with giving out
info about your life.

ITS NOT AN OBSESSION

[Fresh V]

ITS NOT AN OBSESSION

..... Can't you take a joke?