It sounds like a rumor - I could be wrong, though.
I got this suprising article by Disney trivia guru Jim Hill(http://www.jimhillmedia.com/main/index.htm)
In the April 11, 2003 edition of Jim's Q & A section "Why For?"(I can't direct link it, you'll have to look it up from the link above), Jim reported that Disney animators actually made a 10-15 second X-rated pencil test involving Jimmny Cricket and Tinker Bell. Jim then went on with this piece of trivia:
Mind you, it wasn't just Disney employees that did this sort of thing. This short Tinker Bell and Jiminey Cricket sequence would probably seem positively tame in comparison with the one reel pornographic epic -- starring Popeye and Betty Boop, no less -- that Max Fleischer reportedly had produced back in September of 1938. This legendary film was allegedly created as sort of a coarse "Thank You" present to all those artists who agreed to come on down to Florida when the Fleischer Studio relocated from New York City to Miami, FL.
This particular cartoon -- according to those folks that I've interviewed who claimed to have attended the Fleischer "Welcome to Miami" party -- wasn't just 10 to 15 seconds of finished pencil work. No, this one reel wonder was supposedly fully inked and painted with detailed backgrounds full of stylized Florida landscapes. It also featured a full vocal track as well as a musical score. More importantly, it was said to be outrageously amusing ... with Betty Boop giving Popeye an extremely warm welcome for making the long trip down to Miami. (I'm told that a highlight of the film came when Popeye -- after an extremely strenuous session with Betty -- downed a can of spinach and ... well, you can guess the rest, can't you?)
That film -- to my knowledge -- was only shown once publicly at this "Welcome to Miami" party at Fleischer Studios. After that, Max reportedly locked the only copy of this toon away in the Fleischer Studio safe. (Though I've also heard tell that Max would occasionally screen the cartoon for special male visitors who were touring the Florida facility.) Once the Fleischer brothers were forced out of their own animation studio by Paramount Pictures executives in 1942, the reel reportedly dropped from sight. Lost to the ages, I suppose.
I don't suppose that any of you JHM readers out there might know what actually became of that Jiminey Cricket / Tinker Bell pornographic pencil footage and/or that one reel epic that Max Fleischer reportedly had made of Betty Boop and Popeye mating? If either of these two films were to ever resurface ... well, wouldn't that make one hell of a story?
I was wondering if Jerry Beck, Matthew, or any of the cartoon researchers here at ToonZone knew any of this supposed cartoon? Of course, you could always ask Jim if you have any questions on the matter.
Last edited by J.E.Smith; 04-14-2003 at 02:38 PM.
It sounds like a rumor - I could be wrong, though.
The naughty Popeye/Betty cartoon was also briefly mentioned in Leslie Cabarga's book THE FLEISCHER STORY.Originally Posted by Pietro
Originally Posted by Jon Cooke
I can add this to it all... I remember seeing an ad for XXX Popeye and Betty Boops (somewhere) long, long ago, which was doubtlesslly this critter. Some months back, I ever-so-briefly mentioned another XXX cartoon (made at Disney) but then deleted it immediately.
Then, those probably did exist, but I still have my doubts. They were not regular-release cartoons, and should probably stay lost and forgotten.
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They sound like they could have existed. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if those studios had some animators with a twisted sense of humor. As inappropriate as it may be, the Popeye/Betty concept sounds really funny when you think about it...imagine what someone like John Kricfalusi would do with that .Lots of ugly drawings, sexual innuendos and funny animated gestures.
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Originally Posted by Mekairinek
The idea that the Fleischer animators made an x-rated cartoon as an inside joke really isn't that shocking. After all, lots of the Fleischer shorts, especially those early Betty Boops, are filled with rather naughty gags.
I'm pretty sure the cartoon is called "Buried Treasure" and it was once available on a tape that contained about 14 "sex-toons" in the early eighties.
I saw this cartoon in Toronto at an animation festival. It was really nothing impressive, but did feature a Betty-Boopish looking girl-type creature and a Popeye-ish looking sailor doing pretty explicit things (what can happen through a hole in the wall.... YIKES!!). It was nowhere as entertaining as one of Fleischer's regular cartoons, tho- really, you all aren't missing anything.
"The vicar's daughter, she was there, she had us all in fits ;
By jumping off the mantlepiece and landing on her -
....actually, it wasn't baked beans, it was....SPLAT!!!"
As Jim Hill stated:
If you actually WERE shocked when you read this story, I have just two words for you: GROW UP.
After all, the Nine Old Men -- indeed, the entire department over at Disney Feature Animation -- weren't saints. They were men. Guys who liked to smoke, drink, fart and swear. They were people who truly appreciated the female form. And if drawing a short scene where two of Disney's beloved icons got it on got a laugh ... well, so much the better.
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