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BigKPFan76
01-15-2004, 04:23 PM
Can you give us an insight as to the future of KP? Like how many episodes are left and if more will be produced or currently in the process of being made. If you can tell us, it would be greatly appreciated. :D :cool:
steve loter
01-15-2004, 04:59 PM
we just started the last 13 episodes of Kim.
3 episodes make a movie.
BigKPFan76
01-15-2004, 05:02 PM
13? Thats not even half a season! If i were Bob and Mark, I think I'd take Kim to another network, Disney is sure shortchanging everybody!:mad:
loyalheart
01-15-2004, 05:20 PM
we just started the last 13 episodes of Kim.
3 episodes make a movie.
what do you mean 3 episodes make a movie? the a sitch in time movie thing?
Emerald_Horse
01-15-2004, 06:39 PM
what do you mean 3 episodes make a movie? the a sitch in time movie thing?
Hm I watch Kim Possible but I do often see the same episodes again and again..but yup it's a good show. What season is it in? I heard it was only going to have one tho..hm...I am confused.......<.< >.>
I.R Joey
01-15-2004, 07:08 PM
So am I to assume that there is no possibility of any more episodes being made? Is the shows fate set in stone, or is there any way to keep it going?
BigKPFan76
01-15-2004, 07:17 PM
I dont think the shows episode number is set in stone. There have been other Disney Channel shows go beyond 65, Gargoyles is one of them. I think it got 78. But I would hope that since KP is as popular as it is, that it should continue at least another 2 or 3 seasons, at least in my opinion. I really enjoy the show and dont wanna see it cancelled before it has a chance to really grow and expand on its ideas and promise. I just dont think that is a fair policy.
loyalheart
01-15-2004, 07:18 PM
it might be. this is the second head person, ive heard say 65. but i guess we'll have to see his reply.
Emerald_Horse
01-15-2004, 07:18 PM
I dont think the shows episode number is set in stone. There have been other Disney Channel shows go beyond 65, Gargoyles is one of them. I think it got 78. But I would hope that since KP is as popular as it is, that it should continue at least another 2 or 3 seasons, at least in my opinion. I really enjoy the show and dont wanna see it cancelled before it has a chance to really grow and expand on its ideas and promise. I just dont think that is a fair policy.
*nods* Yup...Ron's cute ;)
tucsoncoyote
01-15-2004, 07:48 PM
So am I to assume that there is no possibility of any more episodes being made? Is the shows fate set in stone, or is there any way to keep it going? Tucsoncoyote Here:coyote:
That's a Good Question there I.R. Joey, I think a Show that has a fanbase of some 22 MILLION people worldwide, and is practically #1 in all Disney Channel Markets. (Europe, Asia, and the US and Canada), shouldn't be Canned at just 65 Episodes...Frankly I'm Skeptical Here, and Like Monkey Fist said to Drakken, in A Stich in Time.."I'm with the Mad Golfer on this one.."
Steve, if you want to know the truth, you got fans out here who are in a lot of ways wondering why on earth Disney is only giving you 13 episodes rather then 20-22 episodes... 13 Episodes are hardly a Season, (except maybe on Broadcast...)
but considering that Eisner Gave only 2 Paragraphs in his Smith Barney Speech on January 5th, 2004, Dealing with Kim Possible, don't you think the show has room to really grow here? After all if you really are who you say you are, then you'll know that there are fans out there who could give you enough ideas for over 100 Episodes Easily, and even more. Kim Possible could easily Rival a lot of other Animated shows (like The Simpsons, Dexter's Laboratory, or The Powerpuff Girls) if given half the chance..
And yet you comment on Dave the Barbarian saying it's funny.. Again I'm very skeptical.. and highly angered that Disney has taken a Step backwards away from such quality shows..:(
in short, I've been highly skeptical, not of Kim Possible, but rather of the shows that are going to be replacing it when it does retire..(sadly it seems at just 65 Episodes..)
so my question is what would be the replacement? something that is less appealing to adults and Kids alike? or maybe something educational ?
after all 13 episodes s is hardly what I call equitable for a season.. considering that the "65 episode rule" is perhaps the worst Idea Eisner came up with (it makes me wonder if he was the genius behind Designing the DeLorean..)
but anyway it's curious as a Lot of fans are waiting to see if Eisner Kills "The Golden Show" namely Kim Possible for some other kiddie fare..No disrespect to Kim Possible, but this is the best thing that has come down the pike since Gargoyles in 1993... between 1994 and 2002 we've been tortured as fans..and some of us are really tired of putting up with some of the ideas that were out there in that 9 years..
Frankly I think Kim Possible is a Gold Mine, and Eisner's going to give the fans 65 eps then leave the whole idea empty..It's sad when you see quality entertainment take a back seat to shows that in some ways have no idea, no plot, no quality... after all every Decade has it's Heros and it's villains..but of course that's because We, the Fanbase watch the shows that make the shows great.. You should realize this.. we're the ones giving you a Paycheck, by our watching..
doesn't that say something? If it doesn't then Eisner's like Senor Senior Sr. He's Whack..and he's warped your mind..
nuff Said..
One Radical Dude
01-16-2004, 04:03 AM
I'd like to know, myself, if this Steve Loter dude on the TZ forum is for real. How could one movie equal to three episodes? That doesn't make any sense to me.
I'm still hopeful that Kim and/or Lilo (though season 1 isn't done, I'm very sure there will be a second season) will dismantle the '65 shows rule.' I mean, come on, Michael (Eisner)...sheesh. Get a clue!! Who's paying you, huh? Stop killing all these quality shows. I'm not gonna list the names of the great shows that were killed off early that could have lasted longer, but there are many of them.
Still have a hard time accepting the fact that the WDFA (I hope I got it right) workers were sent home packing. It's a very, very sad story. One of my Disney full-length animated films (being Lilo & Stitch) was made at WDFA. The future of Disney 2D isn't looking magical right now. Nothing against 3D animation, but 2D style will always be a favorite of mine.
As for the upcoming Dave the Barbarian, I don't think I'll be watching that show. I don't have high expectations for the series. Michael the Barbarian, how did you come up with this show?
Michael, like in the L&S episode, 'Short Stuff', let's say that Roy and Stanley appear to be the ones that look like they're gonna get it good (thanks to king-sized 625). Instead of Roy and Stanley (replacing Lilo, Stitch, Jumba, and Pleakley) getting it good, 625 goes after the gigantic sandwich. Instead of Gantu getting squashed by 625's patookie, Eisner is the one that gets to be flattened like a tortilla. 625 never misses. :evil: *evil laugh*
I apologize for going a bit off-topic, but I wanted to state my case. There will be more dark days when/if Disney Channel's current top shows (the next one may be KP) fall victim to the 65 policy. I hope the fans strike back.
BigKPFan76
01-16-2004, 03:45 PM
I'd like to know, myself, if this Steve Loter dude on the TZ forum is for real. How could one movie equal to three episodes? That doesn't make any sense to me.
I'm still hopeful that Kim and/or Lilo (though season 1 isn't done, I'm very sure there will be a second season) will dismantle the '65 shows rule.' I mean, come on, Michael (Eisner)...sheesh. Get a clue!! Who's paying you, huh? Stop killing all these quality shows. I'm not gonna list the names of the great shows that were killed off early that could have lasted longer, but there are many of them.
Still have a hard time accepting the fact that the WDFA (I hope I got it right) workers were sent home packing. It's a very, very sad story. One of my Disney full-length animated films (being Lilo & Stitch) was made at WDFA. The future of Disney 2D isn't looking magical right now. Nothing against 3D animation, but 2D style will always be a favorite of mine.
As for the upcoming Dave the Barbarian, I don't think I'll be watching that show. I don't have high expectations for the series. Michael the Barbarian, how did you come up with this show?
Michael, like in the L&S episode, 'Short Stuff', let's say that Roy and Stanley appear to be the ones that look like they're gonna get it good (thanks to king-sized 625). Instead of Roy and Stanley (replacing Lilo, Stitch, Jumba, and Pleakley) getting it good, 625 goes after the gigantic sandwich. Instead of Gantu getting squashed by 625's patookie, Eisner is the one that gets to be flattened like a tortilla. 625 never misses. :evil: *evil laugh*
I apologize for going a bit off-topic, but I wanted to state my case. There will be more dark days when/if Disney Channel's current top shows (the next one may be KP) fall victim to the 65 policy. I hope the fans strike back.
Couldnt have said it any better myself One Radical Dud! :D Excellent shows like L&S and KP should be given a much needed stay of execution. I think its high time we had ourselves a hangin'...........of the 65 episode policy. :evil:
Brian Cruz
01-16-2004, 04:21 PM
I'd like to know, myself, if this Steve Loter dude on the TZ forum is for real. How could one movie equal to three episodes? That doesn't make any sense to me.
I can guarantee that he's absolutely for real. Did you know that "A Stitch in Time" was actually three episodes combined to make a movie? It seems they'll be doing something like that again in the next season.
BigKPFan76
01-16-2004, 06:00 PM
I can guarantee that he's absolutely for real. Did you know that "A Stitch in Time" was actually three episodes combined to make a movie? It seems they'll be doing something like that again in the next season.
Well its pretty much common knowledge that A Sitch in Time was 3 episodes combined into one. (a la TVTome) So that really doesnt prove anything. (sorry One Radical Dud, i thought everyone knew) Sorry
Snuffles
01-16-2004, 06:40 PM
Loder you should honestly not end this show just yet. If Disney throws you out go to Cartoon Network or another channel. Just don't end the show. Talk to Eisner. If that's possible..
loyalheart
01-16-2004, 06:57 PM
I can guarantee that he's absolutely for real. Did you know that "A Stitch in Time" was actually three episodes combined to make a movie? It seems they'll be doing something like that again in the next season.
Brian, you awnsered my question thanks lol
BigKPFan76
01-16-2004, 07:14 PM
Loder you should honestly not end this show just yet. If Disney throws you out go to Cartoon Network or another channel. Just don't end the show. Talk to Eisner. If that's possible..You just echoed my sentiment Snuffles. Although, CN wouldnt be a good choice because myself and indeed some others dont get Cartoon Network.:( I would rather it stay on Disney and Eisner be forced to change his stupid policy. For Kim and future shows to come.
loyalheart
01-16-2004, 09:24 PM
isnt there always a chance of ABC picking the series up? i know there was that chance with 'even stevens' and 'lizzie'
BigKPFan76
01-16-2004, 09:40 PM
Only if ABC can show it after 10 AM on the ABC Kids lineup, because our local ABC affiliate always, and i mean always preempts the ABC Kids line up from 7 AM central to 9 AM, with their stupid Saturday morning wake up show. Grrrrrrrrrr I hate them for that!:mad:
Killtacular
01-16-2004, 09:58 PM
It's not as easy as "talking to Eisner".
Disney doesn't care if a show has a big fanbase. Because they get the same amount of people watching whether it's a premiere or not. They're a network currently rooted in showing reruns nearly 98% of the week. Even though Lizzie McGuire ended production a year ago, the show is still insanely popular, because Disney knows that kids are dumb enough to keep enjoying the same episodes over and over again.
Kim Possible also can't go to another network because Disney not only owns the characters and title but any idea made while being employed at DTA.
wrenchien
01-17-2004, 12:17 AM
i think, considering king of the hill on rival networks has now multiple seasons, and simpsons has 15, that limiting all series to about 60 - 70 episodes even if they are popular is kind of a archaic thing. perhaps it should be dismantled and the rules changed, so that a series lasts as long as the fans want, not as long as the company wants. after all.. it's the fans that pay the bills.. not the workers, now isn't it?
Yamal
01-17-2004, 12:03 PM
I won't lose hope that easily. I think KP can be the show that will break "Dark Eisner"'s most unjustified rule. I'm pulling together with some of you if not all. Let make our voices be heard!! Visit http://www.savedisney.com and send letters to those listed there if you disagree with the Disney Corporation current policy. If you think everything is all right as it is nowadays, so be it. I'm just saying we are running out of time, and we must take action right now. I've started moving my lazy ass to try doing something in order to help KP. I've sent letters by snail mail to those listed in the website I mentioned before. 13 letters from Spain they are going to receive next week. The more signed letters, the better. They can try ignoring 1000 people, maybe 10000 people, but the wouldn't ignore 100000 or even a million. I don't want to cry if one day in the future KP is cancelled not having done a thing to try saving her. Please, join "La Resistance" if your heart just keeps telling you it's unfair. If KP is meant to disappear, it won't happen without us making a little noise. Because this time Kim Possible will need all the help in the world to win this battle. And whatever the result of the battle is, I'll stay by Kim and Ron's side. Thanks a lot and see you around.
Antiyonder
01-17-2004, 02:22 PM
But according to that Hilary Duff wanted more money, and she was let go. Therefore the renewal was canceled.
BigKPFan76
01-17-2004, 03:47 PM
i think, considering king of the hill on rival networks has now multiple seasons, and simpsons has 15, that limiting all series to about 60 - 70 episodes even if they are popular is kind of a archaic thing. perhaps it should be dismantled and the rules changed, so that a series lasts as long as the fans want, not as long as the company wants. after all.. it's the fans that pay the bills.. not the workers, now isn't it?
That's what i say! Took the words right out of my mouth wrenchien! :D The fans (us, in case your viewing this Eisner) are always the ones the networks gear their shows toward, so why not make more if the fans want them? I honestly dont think that Eisner and his cronies have seen one single episode of KP. They're not made for them, they're made for us! Why should corperate make the decision to pull the plug on a show, that should be our decision not theirs. If a certain product is making a company money, why would they stop making it? They would loose money and customers, the same thing will happen to Disney if this 65 ep garbage continues. I can guarentee you that!
One Radical Dude
01-17-2004, 09:49 PM
That's what i say! Took the words right out of my mouth wrenchien! :D The fans (us, in case your viewing this Eisner) are always the ones the networks gear their shows toward, so why not make more if the fans want them? I honestly dont think that Eisner and his cronies have seen one single episode of KP. They're not made for them, they're made for us! Why should corperate make the decision to pull the plug on a show, that should be our decision not theirs. If a certain product is making a company money, why would they stop making it? They would loose money and customers, the same thing will happen to Disney if this 65 ep garbage continues. I can guarentee you that!
I don't know, has Michael E. seen one KP episode? Heh. Why would one pull the plug on one of Disney Channel's best and most original shows? I guess Eisner has been smoking something funny. Afterall, it's the viewers that help pay the big cheese, right? I can tell you this, BigKPFan, Eisner is not going anywhere but down. :evil:
loyalheart
01-17-2004, 10:08 PM
he probably hasnt, i mean remember he called Christy Romano , the star of raven on mickey's WDW celebration LOL
tucsoncoyote
01-17-2004, 10:59 PM
I don't know, has Michael E. seen one KP episode? Heh. Why would one pull the plug on one of Disney Channel's best and most original shows? I guess Eisner has been smoking something funny. Afterall, it's the viewers that help pay the big cheese, right? I can tell you this, BigKPFan, Eisner is not going anywhere but down. :evil:
Tucsoncoyote here:coytoe:
First off to Mr Loeter, my apologizes, after all you have a right to an opinion on Dave the Barbarian even if I still am skeptical... (and I still am after reading the synopsises of said show on Disneychannel.com..)
but then again it makes me wonder what you just Said One Radicaldude..and this question goes also out to Mr Loeter as well..
Has Michael Eisner even see 1 of the 39 Kim Possible episodes that has been produced so far? or has he been cloistered in the Boardroom plotting out his next Series to replace Kim Possible..
Frankly It's worrisome seeing a Show of Such High Caliber, (I mean the last time we had a Show this good was Gargoyles. Some 9 Years ago.) being cancelled after just 3 seasons and about 76 episodes...
now the question would be is this the decision of the Creators of Said show? or is this more of a Higher level Managerial Position decision.. cause if it is the latter, it's a big mistake on the Managerial part..
Kim Possible has a rare and uniquess here and in fact it's rather interesting that this show has some rather good dynamics in it in terms of writing, and anaimation.. (season 2 which you,Mr. Loeter, and Mr. David Block have produced is perhaps the pinnacle and the crux of what Kim could do.. but there is still so much unproven ground for Kim...)
If Eisner has seen an Episode of Kim Possible , has he ever Commented (either Positively or Negatively) about it? Also what about his Comments he made two rather short blurbs about the show? (Refering to the Smith Barney Conference Speech of 5 January 2004..) Does he feel that the show has potential? Or is he just wanting to eventually replace it with some other show in hopes the fans won't notice the change..
I think a lot of fans are wondering why Disney a lot of times is quiet on their shows and sometimes doesn't give the fan base an answer.. after all it's the fans that support the show.. not the merchandising..
after all that's a real tough question to answer.. and Knowing that you probably can't answer them Mr. Loeter,... I think that Eisner might have seen at least 1 ep, and wondered if this is a good show or not.. I know a lot of fans who can speak for themselves that this is indeed a good show and if Eisner removes it, well there could be trouble from the Disney supporters.. that's the rub.. Fans would be the first to respond to this and they are the ones that would complain highly and vehemently to Eisner to step down.. after all if this indeed a Good, No wait, a Great show, why are you not going to Eisner and saying.. "hey The fans want more.. if Eisner is stubborn.. why then is Kim possible only staying on for just 65 episodes to be canned in an untimely way, only to get fans angry? that's what I really want to know.. of course I have a feeling other fans may want answers as well.
Animaniac
01-17-2004, 11:18 PM
For what it's worth, I thought a Sitch In Time had a cute, clever name, but one of the worst plots in history. Sorry you had to direct that. Ron bugs the sh*t out of me!
tucsoncoyote
01-18-2004, 03:47 AM
i think, considering king of the hill on rival networks has now multiple seasons, and simpsons has 15, that limiting all series to about 60 - 70 episodes even if they are popular is kind of a archaic thing. perhaps it should be dismantled and the rules changed, so that a series lasts as long as the fans want, not as long as the company wants. after all.. it's the fans that pay the bills.. not the workers, now isn't it?
Tucsoncoyote here:coyote:
Actually I have to agree with both you, Wrenchien, and BigKPFan76 about this.. after all when you think about it.. Even Dexter's Laboratory and The Power Puff Girls has had more then most Disney Shows ever have had in a season and in fact Dexter's Lab has been on for Six years and well over 200 Episodes.. not bad for a Cartoon show where the writing is good and the animation is average at best.
of course I've seen and done the research on this a lot and it shows that If Eisner was to go against the 65 episode or 3 Seasons policy, Perhaps the Fan bases on a lot of shows would have grown, the Exception to that rule was Gargoyles. as the fan base has been always there and never really died.. they just kept discussing about it coming back and maybe it will.)
but then again there are some shows that never really made it up to at least 60 Episodes and sometimes it's for good reason..
Let's Take one show that ran only 4 MONTHS and lasted a Total of just 18 Episodes.. (Disney's The Mighty Ducks .(Not to be confused with the live action Move of the Same name!)) Now the Animation Idea was superb here but the problem was of course the writing... and in fact there just wasn't a lot you could do with the show... so that's why it ended with just 18 episodes and lasted one season..(of 4 months!)
Then there's The Legend of Tarzan.. at 41 Episodes and just 2 Seasons Tarzan Ran out of vines to swing on, Because there again much you could do only so much with the show.. after all we're talking that the idea was right after the Feature Movie Tarzan came out.. and even though the Animation was good, again the writers could have done more to enhance the show and get it out to that 65 episode limit..
of course with Kim Possible there's a LOT of room for the show to Grow, after all Kim Started the series off as a Sophomore Junior Varsity Cheerleader, and I doubt since A Sitch in Time that she's gone backwards a Grade..(She's a Junior in My book, and thus a Varsity Cheerleader..) of course Ron actually has matured somewhat.and in fact that's a plus for the show as well.
The Gang (Ron,Kim, Monique, and Bonnie) have gotten new Threads and the Villains are being done up rather nicely (Shego is no longer as being seen as an Assistant To Doctor Drakken 100% of the time, but her own Evil Seperate Entitiy, and the Return of Gill in Return to Wannaweep, Friday, shows that if a Villain is done properly, you can take the character far...)
I think that Kim really has a Shelf life of imore like 120 or so episodes (right up there with Recess, and Ducktales) . after all The Show has some rather good Dynamics, Good animation and Hip writing, and in fact I see it that it has (pardon the pun) possibilities of going into a fourth season (with Kim and Ron going through their Senior year at Middleton High, and then Graduating).. it's at this point Disney could end One Chapeter of the story and continue on with Kim in College (and Ron Too).. but this is where that Spin off Idea of BigKPFan76's Comes in.. New situations, New problems to face.. it could easily go on for quite a while..
after all Like Kim's Dad always says.. "Anything is Possible for a Possible!"
Nuff Said..
tucsoncoyote
01-18-2004, 04:07 AM
For what it's worth, I thought a Sitch In Time had a cute, clever name, but one of the worst plots in history. Sorry you had to direct that. Ron bugs the sh*t out of me!
Tucsoncoyote here:coyote:
Actually Animaniac, Kim Possible is far from perfect, I have seen all 39 eps so far and out of that only 2 episodes I could see really were flawed.. but the other 37 were good to excellent. The writing in Season 2 has been very well done, except for one part (mentioned here in a moment).
Now the two episodes I am talking about are Season 1's Royal Pain, and Season 2's Queen Bebe.. (it's funny that the "Royalty" shows got the worst end of this deal..)
Royal Pain fails as we have to Deal with Prince Wally and his Snobbish Snooty atitude..(thank heavens the show didn't go further then that particular episode).. had There been in Season 1 some form of Continuity, Royal Pain could have spun off a follow up episode, and it makes me thankful that Season 1 was initally for Character development, and introduction of Said Characters..
Now Queen Bebe in Season 2 was a bit less Planned out then Even I had hoped for.. There was this one sticking problem with this episode and it wasn't with Smashmouth.. (it was rather with the whole idea about the Bebes coming back from the junkpile..(how did they get reactivated? or were these robots that Drakken Had extra lying around?) but that was the whole flaw that made this particular episode fall apart rather quickly..
I wouldn't say that Ron has gotten to be more of an obnoxious character.. in fact while A Sitch in Time may have bugged you with Ron, Animaniac. Another episode that Mr. Loeter did was the Batman-Centric Fearless Ferret episode..
Mr. Loeter, Kudos for you doing such wonderful reasearch on that one.. after all if you're over 35 and don't get the jokes in The Fearless Ferret, then you are definitely not a TV-Phile.. (I grew up on 1966-68's Batman..) of course the interesting thing was that White Stripe most likely was a Spoof of Frank Gorshin's "Riddler" Character of the old Batman series..
I say that Kim Possible is not really a bad show, it has the power to evolve and develop into something of a legend.. just like Gargoyles.. (hey That was a cool show as well!)
but anyway I say Let Kim Possible Grow, let the show develop and Let Steve and Dave do their Jobs. If the show is canned, then Eisner is To Phrase Monkey Fist, " Definitely Whack.."
Nuff Said..
Yamal
01-18-2004, 05:35 AM
I wouldn't have said it better, Tucsoncoyote.
Jimmy Kustes
01-18-2004, 09:29 AM
http://portfolio.bellarmine.edu/jkustes01/killbill.gifComing from Disney, next spring, kill Eisner, starring Jimmy Kustes.
Animaniac
01-18-2004, 07:40 PM
Cyote- You will have to excuse me from not reading your posts as they are usually long, repetitive and extremely boring. Plus, I dont care for that Wiley-Cyote smiley you keep plugging.
I think it's great that you like Kim Possible, but to me it's just another "fist" created show. Loter is a fist...basically gets told what to do to make money and profits, really not creating a sense of imagination. I prefer shows that are creator-driven and actually are original. I could give you examples of Disney's popular cartoons and what they were based on. Kim Possible is Austin Powers for the kids.
BigKPFan76
01-18-2004, 07:47 PM
Cyote- You will have to excuse me from not reading your posts as they are usually long, repetitive and extremely boring. Plus, I dont care for that Wiley-Cyote smiley you keep plugging.
I think it's great that you like Kim Possible, but to me it's just another "fist" created show. Loter is a fist...basically gets told what to do to make money and profits, really not creating a sense of imagination. I prefer shows that are creator-driven and actually are original. I could give you examples of Disney's popular cartoons and what they were based on. Kim Possible is Austin Powers for the kids.
OH......and I suppose you could come up with a better idea? Austin Powers for the kids? Last time I checked, KP didnt have blatent inuindo.
One Radical Dude
01-18-2004, 07:49 PM
'Maniac, you need to spell 'Coyote' correctly, brother. :p I don't think Cyote is a word. Hee-hee-hee.
What's going on here? Things are really heating up. :o
And I enjoy seeing the Wile E. Coyote smiley. :coyote:
tucsoncoyote
01-18-2004, 07:52 PM
Cyote- You will have to excuse me from not reading your posts as they are usually long, repetitive and extremely boring. Plus, I dont care for that Wiley-Cyote smiley you keep plugging.
I think it's great that you like Kim Possible, but to me it's just another "fist" created show. Loter is a fist...basically gets told what to do to make money and profits, really not creating a sense of imagination. I prefer shows that are creator-driven and actually are original. I could give you examples of Disney's popular cartoons and what they were based on. Kim Possible is Austin Powers for the kids. Tucsoncoyote here (and this time I won't plug the coyote even though he's a Friendly chap.. )
Let's face it then if you say that all of Disney is the euqivalent of Knee Jerk tendencies then you are probably right.. it's all knee jerk on Eisner's part and his Lieutennants..
Think of the Disney Company being run by the Mafia..and then Eisner The Godfather, Sends out his Lieutennants to do his bidding, and if you don't comply to Eisner, then it's Cement Slippers to the show..and you end up swiming with the fish (or Fishes!)
Think I'm kidding? well how many episodes and shows have to die (some of them with Good Ideas) or should I read off the What you call Rather boring list of Fatalitities here.. and I'm going to Start with Gargoyles at the top..(I may be a Kim Possible fan First, Animaniac, but I was once also a Gargoyles fan as well, and I am starting to like Lilo and Stitch, so I'm behind One Radical Dude on this one as well)
Anyway there is one note about Disney.. it takes 10 years on average between Quality shows (like Gargoyles and Kim Possible and yes even Lilo and Stitch ) and to make a Long Story short, If you think you can name me at least five good quality shows (remember Quality, not quantity, then you can say that the maybe Disney is turning out shows like water while stifling their DVD Collections.. if you can't, Then check your reflexes.. cause that Knee Jerk Mentality is getting to your head..
and frankly that's quick and to the point now isn't it?
BigKPFan76
01-18-2004, 08:14 PM
'Maniac, you need to spell 'Coyote' correctly, brother. :p I don't think Cyote is a word. Hee-hee-hee.
What's going on here? Things are really heating up. :o
And I enjoy seeing the Wile E. Coyote smiley. :coyote:
I'm not flaming One Radical Dude:D Actually I like debating, but only when it doesnt get out of hand.......and Im a strong opinion stater as Im sure many of us here are. Its not an offense to anyone. So I hope nobody gets angry
Anywho back to the topic.
One Radical Dude
01-18-2004, 08:19 PM
I'm not flaming One Radical Dude:D Actually I like debating, but only when it doesnt get out of hand.......and Im a strong opinion stater as Im sure many of us here are. Its not an offense to anyone. So I hope nobody gets angry
Anywho back to the topic.I was just saying that things are heating up, KPFan...I didn't say you were flaming. :p
Back to topic.
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