More reflections of the possibility of a Kim/Ron coupling.

[I.R Joey]

I know this has come up a few times before on this board and some of us think that it has been hinted at in several episodes but I'd like to bring it up again. Strangely enough this seems to be a somewhat controversial topic but oh well.

In my opinion it is entierly possible that such a pairing could happen if the show were allowed to continue beyond 65 episodes. While at first it may seem that the two of them have seperate interests Kim in Josh, and Ron in Zita I don't think either of these two pairings have that shall I say "click" chemistry wise they both seem to be just superficial attractions (though before I really judge I should await the episode "Blush" that should air in Febuary.) The chemistry between Kim and Ron seems to be alot more active, and I say this in regards to them being friends and in my opinion the possibility of them being more then friends.

Now during the first season I don't think I would have really felt this way, but I think recent eps have shown Ron becoming more of his own person. He's becoming more self reliant with each ep, and less of a bumbling sidekick. Infact I think it is safe to say he's becoming more of an equal to Kim then a sidekick. Is it possible that the writers are doing this to set them up, so that the relationship won't seem quite so unbalanced?

Then of coarse there are the episodes themselves which I could point to. In the first episode with Zita (don't know its name) we see Ron and Kim actually verbally discussing the possiblity of them going out on a date. The prospect is joked about, but never actually denied as an impossibility. We also have the infamous misletoe scene in the Christmas episode. It seems that the writers are actively pushing our attention in that direction. Am I wrong am I just reading into these scenes?

Discuss.

[BigKPFan76]

Well in the beginning I was a big Ron/Kim shipper. But now that I think about it, I really dont want to see them being paired up....reason: Because I think it will destract from the shows content. Kim and Ron are supposed to be just friends, the hints in "Grudge Match", the ep you refer to, I think are brought up for the comic relief they provide, not nessasarily because they are going to pair up Ron and Kim in future eps. And the kiss in "A Very Possible Christmas" was a spur of the moment, its-Christmastime-and-there-is-some-mistletoe-so-lets-kiss-under-it thing, in other words......Tradition! :D Both Kim and Ron have different lives and are different in lots of ways, now I know some might say, opposites attract, but the shows creators made it very clear that Kim and Ron are, and I quote:

BEST FRIENDS saving the world! not...............HUSBAND AND WIFE saving the world.

I mean, not being rude or nothing, but come on guys, I really dont know where all this Kim/Ron stuff came from but Im sure the shows staff is reading this and saying to themselves, Man, they are taking this too seriously. I really dont think that Kim and Ron are going to become a couple, like that anyway. And personally I hope they dont, because it could spell the premature end to KP, regardless of a 65 ep limit thing or not.

But I must add a footnote: We have also seen Kim and Ron act more like brother and sister, rather than Bf/gf Take the recent argument they had in "Hidden Talent" when Ron signed Kim up for the talent show, they had a fairly decent disagreement in that one, as well as several other eps. But also too, this is KP, not Guiding Light, and as Kim would say:

SO NOT THE DRAMA!:D :cool:

[tucsoncoyote]

Well in the beginning I was a big Ron/Kim shipper. But now that I think about it, I really dont want to see them being paired up....reason: Because I think it will destract from the shows content. Kim and Ron are supposed to be just friends, the hints in "Grudge Match", the ep you refer to, I think are brought up for the comic relief they provide, not nessasarily because they are going to pair up Ron and Kim in future eps. And the kiss in "A Very Possible Christmas" was a spur of the moment, its-Christmastime-and-there-is-some-mistletoe-so-lets-kiss-under-it thing, in other words......Tradition! :D Both Kim and Ron have different lives and are different in lots of ways, now I know some might say, opposites attract, but the shows creators made it very clear that Kim and Ron are, and I quote:

BEST FRIENDS saving the world! not...............HUSBAND AND WIFE saving the world.

I mean, not being rude or nothing, but come on guys, I really dont know where all this Kim/Ron stuff came from but Im sure the shows staff is reading this and saying to themselves, Man, they are taking this too seriously. I really dont think that Kim and Ron are going to become a couple, like that anyway. And personally I hope they dont, because it could spell the premature end to KP, regardless of a 65 ep limit thing or not.

But I must add a footnote: We have also seen Kim and Ron act more like brother and sister, rather than Bf/gf Take the recent argument they had in "Hidden Talent" when Ron signed Kim up for the talent show, they had a fairly decent disagreement in that one, as well as several other eps. But also too, this is KP, not Guiding Light, and as Kim would say:

SO NOT THE DRAMA!:D :cool:
Tucsoncoyote here:coyote:

I have to agree with BigKPFan76 on this one.. and I feel that if Kim and Ron ever did get together, just like other shows that had the same thing happen, the show would be cancelled within one season...

And if you think the Boyfriend/Girlfriend or Husband/Wife Idea would work, I will start naming a ton of Shows where the idea never flew..

Let's start with Mork and Mindy... after they got married, Mork Got Pregnant, and then had Mirth..(Played by Johnathan Winters) the whole show died off in 1 Season..

Other ideas include Lois and Clark (The New Adventures of Superman) and of course Moonlighting.. if you go back further to the 1960's they even tried this idea with I Dream of Jeannie and Get Smart (all died within 1 year of the marriage or the "relationship coupling.." (Most of all of these were Marriages and involved having kids...

In short, Relationships are okay (and the farthest Disney could go with this is "BoyFriend /Girlfriend" level, but Like BigKPFan76 Pointed out, the best you could go for is Best Friends who are more like a Brother / Sister Duo. If Disney went further then that and did "Push the Envelope" then the show would be in danger of losing it's fun freshness (after all Kim Possible is an Action-Adventure-Comedy andl if it went to the Boyfriend/Girlfriend level, you're just going to terminate the show real quick.)

of course this isn't Guiding Light or the Young and the Restless this is of course a Kid's Action Adventure (and Comedy) Cartoon that does appeal to teenagers and adults as well, and at best gets a "G" rating from the TV Equivalent of the MPAA.. so if you wanted a relationship to go farther, you would have to change the rating to a higher level (like "PG" or "TV-14") of course Disney will NEVER do that.. (if they did, they would lose their Fan base of 6-12 year olds around which the show was geared.. I think that sums it all up in a nutshell).

and yes as Kim Possible Said, "It's So not the Drama.."

[BigKPFan76]

Good reply there tucson. Another reason why the pairing wont work is that I think it will detract from the show itself. Kim and Ron wont be able to work together effectivly if they are bf/gf. The show will then become a focus on their relationship rather than to the missions at hand. Tucson is right about the show going downhill, lots of past shows have been spoiled by "the love connection" It just doesnt seem to be a popular thing when it comes to storylines, unless you're talking about a soap opera, and trust me that a whole different thread in a whole different site. And it makes the whole storylines very convaluted. Very distracting. And here is something else to consider, what if Kim and Ron "break up" That would spoil the show right there. Because the show is about them saving the world TOGETHER, not apart and angry. Personally I like the show just the way it is, it has the perfect formula for what it is. And the little "hints" they put in along the way, give it the perfect touch. :D :cool:

[tucsoncoyote]

Good reply there tucson. Another reason why the pairing wont work is that I think it will detract from the show itself. Kim and Ron wont be able to work together effectivly if they are bf/gf. The show will then become a focus on their relationship rather than to the missions at hand. Tucson is right about the show going downhill, lots of past shows have been spoiled by "the love connection" It just doesnt seem to be a popular thing when it comes to storylines, unless you're talking about a soap opera, and trust me that a whole different thread in a whole different site. And it makes the whole storylines very convaluted. Very distracting. And here is something else to consider, what if Kim and Ron "break up" That would spoil the show right there. Because the show is about them saving the world TOGETHER, not apart and angry. Personally I like the show just the way it is, it has the perfect formula for what it is. And the little "hints" they put in along the way, give it the perfect touch. :D :cool:
Tucsoncoyote here:coyote:

Thanks for the Compliments and your points are just as Valid BigKPFan76, after all that's something a Lot of fans can't comprehend...

I mean you got Kim Worried more about Ron, and in fact she wouldn't be able to focus on her missions.. and sooner or later she would slip up..and possibly then get killed.. (Then what would the fans do?)

Also the issue about Breaking up would also be just as harsh.. (as they showed in A Sitch in Time. Kim and Ron definitely could not function seperately and in fact that's the whole idea behind that particular episode, to show that Ron is Kim's Friend and can work in a Co-operative manner to defeat the villains..

now if they took it to the Ron and Kim BF/GF angle, kim would be worried so much about Ron getting injured that she might let him go. and it's this resentment that would eventually force the team apart..hence the "Breakup you noted there BigKPFan76.

Also another note, that a lot of Fans haven't thought about.. Bringing in other characters to Replace Ron..(Monique already has been used twice and in the A Sitch in Time Ep, she made Ron look like he was more competent then he looks). Monique going on a Mission from time to time isn't a bad idea, but if they broke up the team then who would Kim turn to? Monique most likely, and then we have another problem.. Monique would have to do what Ron did in all the episodes.. (and I doubt that working at Club Banana and saving the world isn't on Monique Job Listing now is it?)

[shogunthethird]

last I heard Ron changed his name to McGinnis, they got hitched, had a couple kids and divorced, their elder son Terry did a few years in Juvie then got a stint working for some reclusive billionare by the name of Wayne, I think

[tucsoncoyote]

their elder son Terry did a few years in Juvie then got a stint working for some reclusive billionare by the name of Wayne, I think
Tucsoncoyote here:coyote:

Um didn't Terry McGinnis become "The Fearless Ferret Beyond?":D and didn't he fall for a character called "Ten?" (From the Royal Flush Gang?)

[I.R Joey]

I think it's a valid concern that such a relationship may take away from the show. It's true that said couplings can indeed be the first sign of to use the internet cliche "Jumping the shark" but on the other hand the show could run the risk of stagnation if nothing "ever" changed. Perhaps I am looking to deeply into this, (I've been watching Kare Kano after all:p ) but Kim seems to be able to handle situations where loved ones are in danger pretty compitently. You have to assume that she already worrys about Ron when they're on a mission.

Also I don't see how having them in a relationship would push it beyond its current rating. I'm not saying that they would show anything to risque, just that they became an item.

Kim and Ron have had their arguments before, even some serious ones. If they did break up for some reason it'd just be one more thing to get through. In fact it might make the dynamic between the two all the more interesting.

But I do agree that any possible pairing should be saved until either...

A. The guranteed last season/episode.

B. Another time travel/alternate universe story.

[tucsoncoyote]

I think it's a valid concern that such a relationship may take away from the show. It's true that said couplings can indeed be the first sign of to use the internet cliche "Jumping the shark" but on the other hand the show could run the risk of stagnation if nothing "ever" changed. Perhaps I am looking to deeply into this, (I've been watching Kare Kano after all:p ) but Kim seems to be able to handle situations where loved ones are in danger pretty compitently. You have to assume that she already worrys about Ron when they're on a mission.

Also I don't see how having them in a relationship would push it beyond its current rating. I'm not saying that they would show anything to risque, just that they became an item.

Kim and Ron have had their arguments before, even some serious ones. If they did break up for some reason it'd just be one more thing to get through. In fact it might make the dynamic between the two all the more interesting.

But I do agree that any possible pairing should be saved until either...

A. The guranteed last season/episode.

B. Another time travel/alternate universe story.
Tucsoncoyote here:coyote:

You know I.R. Joey, if they did this and they became a couple the term internet term Jumping the Shark would have some rather new meaning...

The problem with Ron and Kim is that we're talking a couple of Kids who have known each other for 12 years (about as long as Bonnie Rockwaller has been Ballet Dancing in Hidden Talent) but the thing is that I know that I have seen some guys and gals be really best friend and never get married (and others that have,) but the thing is that there are some of the Kim and Ron Fans who feel that they have BARELY scratched the surface here when it comes to ideas..(after all some of the Kim Possible fans think this could go as far as the end of High School, if not farther..(like to College)

but the point is this and I again must emphasize the examples I have made. if a Show ever gets to the point where two main characters become "An item" (at which point it "Jumps the shark") then you figure from that moment on, you have 1 year (or season) before the series goes belly up..
that's a Known fact in television, and the example I gave are just templates to what COULD happen.. not what will happen.. of course Eisner, in all his intelligence, or lack of it, could kill this show before it reaches a potential of any nature..

that's the risk with Television, you can't judge the show without knowing what works and what doesn't..

[Philip Kippel]

BigKPFan76, I liked you better when you were a major K/R shipper. Please, please, please go back to being that way...and the pairing of them will SO NOT hurt the show, so please stop worrying and being so pessimistic, people.

I'm with I.R. Joey here. KIM AND RON FOREVER!
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[BigKPFan76]

BigKPFan76, I liked you better when you were a major K/R shipper. Please, please, please go back to being that way...and the pairing of them will SO NOT hurt the show, so please stop worrying and being so pessimistic, people.

I'm with I.R. Joey here. KIM AND RON FOREVER!
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Sorry Phil, I cant do that, I have changed my mind. I just think the show works the way it is. Changing it too much in that way will change it, I would rather see more villains or see more missions or see Kim and Ron do more CSI type things like lab analysis or fingerprinting, etc. Besides with Eisners 65 ep thing looming over our heads, isnt that more important to worry about? Getting that abolished? :cool:

[tucsoncoyote]

BigKPFan76, I liked you better when you were a major K/R shipper. Please, please, please go back to being that way...and the pairing of them will SO NOT hurt the show, so please stop worrying and being so pessimistic, people.

I'm with I.R. Joey here. KIM AND RON FOREVER!
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Tucsoncoyote here:coyote:

I think we've both been through this war before Phil (Just before Christmas) and I also know the Truth (the Truth? you can't Handle the Truth!- Jack Nicholson- A Few Good Men ):D

Sure the Ron and Kim as a Boyfriend/Girlfriend angle would be nice:), but I hate to say this, if you're going to ask Disney to do this, well then you're assigning the show to the likes of shows Like Lois and Clark:The New Adventures of Superman (in it's second Season when Lois and Clark finally got Married) or Mork and Mindy (season 3 where Mork and Mindy got Married and Had a Child (Mirth)) or Moonlighting (Season 4 where Dave and Maddie have their Wild Fling) or Get Smart (Season 3 where Max and 99 get Hitched and have "The Twins") or I Dream Of Jeannie (Season 4 where Jeannie Marries Anthony Nelson, and has a Son.) .. within one year of these shows having any sort of a Romantic Coupling (be it falling in love, and gettting Married..) the show was dead:(. I think the fans want to see the show run on as long as Possible (Pardon the pun there!:D)

I mean The only show where the whole idea of Marriage Has worked out, is *ahem* Friends.:D.. (Where you see practically everyone get married and then Divorced... in 7 to 8 years.. the reason why Friends is the only show that works, is because they finally realized that they weren't compatible.:eek:

(I'm not saying that Ron and Kim aren't Compatible.. but let's face it.. when you have two people who are totally and completely different (like Night and Day different) it's not that easy to have them be compatible..

(Kim is a very energetic person, who's more into Cheerleading and doing Civic Projects, while Ron is more into Video Games, Wrestling, and snacckage..) (Check out Mind Games Ron stated it best..) :D

Frankly Ron and Kim may be forever, but it's never going to be like I said, in the form that the shippers want it, for what will happen is that Disney would have to kill that G rating they gave the show and give it a YV-7, or even a PG Rating.. all for a few thousand Rabid Fanboys who want Kim and Ron to be a Couple (they already are as more of a Brother and sister angle).(and you have to then eliminate the base of 6-12 year olds who do watch the show...):(

But Like I said, "I only point out the truth." if you can't stand it, then why try and keep pushing it on "The non-believers of Kim and Ron as a Couple fanbase.?" after all, we enjoy the show for it's dynamics, and if you make Kim and Ron a Couple, well you're taking away that Dynamics. the ultimate axiom here is .. if it does Happen, I'll be sure to make notes and then when Disney does cancel the show a Year later, after the get together, I'll just smile and say.. "I told you so..":D

[Philip Kippel]

Sorry Phil, I cant do that, I have changed my mind. I just think the show works the way it is. Changing it too much in that way will change it, I would rather see more villains or see more missions or see Kim and Ron do more CSI type things like lab analysis or fingerprinting, etc. Besides with Eisners 65 ep thing looming over our heads, isnt that more important to worry about? Getting that abolished? :cool:Well, change your mind again!

And the romance WILL work and SO NOT change the show too much. It'll help it...consider it character development.

As for tusconcoyote, you DON'T know the truth.

[BigKPFan76]

Like I stated before Phil, we need to be more concerned about the future of KP in general, not the Kim/Ron 'sitch. Because if the show gets canceled with 65, then we ALL loose, and then where will the Kim/Ron 'sitch be? You guys wont be able to see them get-together and we (the non-shippers) wont be able to see KP at all. Come on guys, we need to focus on the task at hand.....abolishing the 65 ep garbage.

It's kinda the equivalent of someone pointing a gun at you and you're worried about whether or not your hair's messed up. Come on, hes got a gun pointed at you, who cares about your freakin hair!!

[tucsoncoyote]

Tucsoncoyote here:coyote:




As for tusconcoyote, you DON'T know the truth.
*Smiles* Actually Phill, I do know the truth, and sometimes the Truth Hurts.. and I think the quote by BigKPFan76 Says it all..

The Clock is ticking and we're already at Episode 39 as of this Friday (Return to Wannaweep). which means if you are more worried about the 65 Episode rule (like I am) I would be writing some major letters to Eisner and complaining..about his silly 65 episode or 3 Year Rule (which Ever Comes first..)

Or

You can Keep Spouting off about how Ron and Kim will be a Couple, and do nothing to end this 65 episode policy Absurdity, and let Kim Possible become yet another Statistic to the Disney Policy of "keep it at 65 episodes, and that's it. and don't worry about what the FANS of the show feel, cause they don't mean anything to us!"

cause Like BigKPFan76 says. If you got a Guy who's pointing a gun at you and your hair is messed up would you be worried about the hair? Or worried about the gun pointed at you.?

Myself, I would be worried about the gun.. cause frankly everyone wants a show to live just like we want to live..and I take it even the Ron and Kim Shippers want the show to continue to see the possible (Again Pardon my pun!) outcome...

(Sometime the truth hurts and sometimes by Ignoring the truth, it kills.)

...and believe me if you're more worried about a Kim and Ron Romance.. I'll just sit back then and let the 65 Episode absurdity take over and kill it.. cause then we'll all be wondering why Eisner (the Guy with the Gun) Killed Kim Possible.. (after all we're talking a lucrative show here, with enough Marketing and Merchandising to keep everyone happy for years to come..)

but I'm with BigKPFan76 on this one.. Save the Show, then worry about the Kim and Ron Romances..cause the clock is ticking..

[tucsoncoyote]

Like I stated before Phil, we need to be more concerned about the future of KP in general, not the Kim/Ron 'sitch. Because if the show gets canceled with 65, then we ALL loose, and then where will the Kim/Ron 'sitch be? You guys wont be able to see them get-together and we (the non-shippers) wont be able to see KP at all. Come on guys, we need to focus on the task at hand.....abolishing the 65 ep garbage.

It's kinda the equivalent of someone pointing a gun at you and you're worried about whether or not your hair's messed up. Come on, hes got a gun pointed at you, who cares about your freakin hair!!
Tucsoncoyote here:coyote:

Well Put BigKPFan76, save the show, then worry about the romance.. (if it happens it happens! but you have to have more then just 65 Episodes!:D)

See that's what the problem is.. Lack of Focus and Direction can kill a show, but I think you got your "Ducks in a Row" about what needs to be done, BigKPFan76.

I think a there needs to be a Solidarity behind Kim and Ron, if there isn't well then this is going to be one show that sadly will be a statistic..(but I think the FANS would say otherwise..)

So let's save the show so it can go on beyond 65 Episodes, then we'll worry about the Kim and Ron Boyfriend/Girlfriend thing when we reach that bridge.

[Animaniac]

I thought Ron was gay? Nothing wrong if he is of course, but it does make it hard for him to like girls. He is a teenager who is obsessed with fashion and "totally cool whatever stuff". I'd say he has issues.

[I.R Joey]

Yeah of coarse getting the show renewed is more important at the moment then any possible coupling that's for sure.


And no Ron isn't gay.