Does Commissioner Gordon know his daughter is Batgirl??

[Marika Segal]

Today, I was thinking of some of the episodes on Gotham Girls website, & the TNBA episode Over The Edge. It seems in Gotham Girls, Gorden dosen't know his daugter Barbra is Batgirl. In TNBA, it seems that Gorden does know his daugter is Batgirl, espeacially in the Over The Edge episode. I'm very confused. Does anyone know for sure if Comissoner Gorden knows his daugter is Batgirl or dosen't know at all???

Please say what you think.

PEACE!!!

[Killtacular]

I wouldn't consider Gotham Girls to be part of the official canon. Gordon isn't a dummy. I think he's quite aware of who Batgirl is.

[Chad Bonin]

I think he probably has an idea, but doesn't want to act on it.

Anyone read "No Man's Land"? Bats called Gordon down to the cemetery, I think, and took off his mask, realizing that Gordon's probably the only person who doesn't know his identity that should. Of course, Gordon's doesn't look, because he trusts Batman.

I would assume sometime before his death (He's not around in Beyond), he'll either admit he knows, or Bruce'll let him know. I mean, Aunt May admitted she knew Peter was Spidey before she died, and current Aunt May (What happened to the previously dead one?) walked in on Peter all bruised and wearing the Spidey-Suit in current comic continuity... and if an old doting aunt can figure it out, I'm sure a friggin' commissioner could.

Also, this is as good a place to ask, but... is commissioner as high as you get in the police ranks?

[randomguy]

I think it's pretty obvious that he knows what she's up to. Further still, we can probably conclude that he knows Wayne is Batman... he could probably infer that from the time Barbara spends with him.

Gordon chooses not to discuss this for legal/practical reasons, and also probably figures that he shouldn't interfere in that sphere of crimefighting, since it's so effective.

[Chad Bonin]

We really can't guess much, because he hasn't even made a real appearance since TNBA... has he? I think he made an Static appearance (And he will in the Beyond team-up), but was he even at Superman's funeral?

[DisneyBoy]

The end of "Over the Edge" says it all.

"You don't need me to approve or even awknowledge them. And in this case, I can't. All you need to know is that I love you...all of you. And that's all I have to say on the subject" *wink*

He knows folks. He figured it out a long, long time ago...probably around the time a redhead jumped in front of Two-Face's machine guns to save his life.

[All-Star 1.5]

I think that he might have some idea as to who every member of the Bat-family is he just doesn't act on it. But in ROTJ Barbera told Terry that after that night she told her father everything so it makes you wonder if we are giving him to much credit.

But this brings up some more questions. I mean does Perry White and Lois Lane know that Clark Kent is really Superman??? Does Dana really know that Terry is Batman; especially after what happened at the club in ROTJ??? Does Robert Hawkins know that his son his really Static???

[James]

The end of "Over the Edge" says it all.

"You don't need me to approve or even awknowledge them. And in this case, I can't. All you need to know is that I love you...all of you. And that's all I have to say on the subject" *wink*

He knows folks. He figured it out a long, long time ago...probably around the time a redhead jumped in front of Two-Face's machine guns to save his life.
I never really wondered when he worked it out - I agree with DB over the OTTE reference. Shame they never had time to expand on that. It's a pretty big thing he admitted to there!

[All-Star 1.5]

We really can't guess much, because he hasn't even made a real appearance since TNBA... has he? I think he made an Static appearance (And he will in the Beyond team-up), but was he even at Superman's funeral?
Actually, he appeared in all three Static crossovers. In the first one it was a small cameo; in the second he had a few one liners and now it seems he may be one of the stars in the third.

I don't think he needed to be at Superman's funeral seeing as how he really didn't know Superman; and only met him once and then he thought it was Batman.

[shogunthethird]

I think he probably knows but refuses to acknowledge it both out of concern for Barbara and having a vigilante crimefighter in his family and as a close associate would lead to something of a conflict of interest, I mean aside from the emotional issues why else would Barbara disprove of Terry McGinnis taking up the suit and cowl? to quote a line from I think it was Spider-man
"you wanna fight crime? then take off that suit and put on a badge"

[DisneyBoy]

Actually, J-GL, I believe Barbara's line mentionned something about her Dad "keeping Tim's secret" or something. He was always in the know as far as I'm concerned. Heck, check out Batman Adventures #3...he deliberately (and brilliantly) prevents Montoya from arresting the now rogue Batman, even though he's legally required to. Jim has stuck his neck out really, really far for the Bat team, even before Barbara joined the fold.

[randomguy]

Anyone read "No Man's Land"? Bats called Gordon down to the cemetery, I think, and took off his mask, realizing that Gordon's probably the only person who doesn't know his identity that should. Of course, Gordon's doesn't look, because he trusts Batman.
I'm pretty sure that comics Gordon already knows who Batman is anyway. In fact, I'd wager that he figured it out in Batman: Year One, right towards the beginning of his career. It's never explicitly stated, but I think the subtext says it all.


But this brings up some more questions. I mean does Perry White and Lois Lane know that Clark Kent is really Superman??? Does Dana really know that Terry is Batman; especially after what happened at the club in ROTJ??? Does Robert Hawkins know that his son his really Static??
In the comics (at least, in the "Hush" run), the insinuation has been that Perry White does know Clark's secret... he's too good of a journalist not too. Obviously, comics Lois knows, though she wasn't smart enough to figure it out on her own (which is kinda pathetic).

I figure Perry's probably smart enough to deduce Clark's secret on his own. Lois, however, at least through STAS, doesn't know (if she did, she probably wouldn't treat Kent so badly). It's entirely possible, however, that during the time period between STAS and JL, that she figured it out... or perhaps Clark told her.

Anyhow, I think Gordon's obviously aware of the identities of the Gotham Knights, which brings up a few peculiarities. In "Growing Pains", Gordon tells Batman that he's thankful that Barbara is past her wild years... strange comment to make if he's really fully aware of what's going on. I think there's some other oddities, but I can't remember them right away.

[Chad Bonin]

Anyhow, I think Gordon's obviously aware of the identities of the Gotham Knights, which brings up a few peculiarities. In "Growing Pains", Gordon tells Batman that he's thankful that Barbara is past her wild years... strange comment to make if he's really fully aware of what's going on. I think there's some other oddities, but I can't remember them right away.
... didn't they make the football team "Gotham Knights" in the Secret Society episode?

I know what you're talking about, but they've made a Gotham Knights in continuity.

[Toddman]

... didn't they make the football team "Gotham Knights" in the Secret Society episode?

I know what you're talking about, but they've made a Gotham Knights in continuity.
Actually, the Gotham Knights football team was first mentioned way back in the BTAS episode "Fear of Victory." They drafted Dick Grayson's college roommate, who had been a quarterback at Gotham University. The Knights were again mentioned in the flashback sequence of "Robin's Reckoning."

And while we're on the subject of fictional sports teams, others that have been mentioned:

The Metropolis Meteors baseball team was seen in the Superman episode "Unity."

A name of a basketball team called the "Marauders" can be overheard in the JL episode "In Blackest Night" pt 1.

And the team that was playing against the Knights in the "Ultra Bowl" from the JL episode "Secret Society" was the Boston Colonials.

There is your useless knowledge for the day.

Toddman

[TimTwoFace]

The end of "Over the Edge" says it all.

"You don't need me to approve or even awknowledge them. And in this case, I can't. All you need to know is that I love you...all of you. And that's all I have to say on the subject" *wink*

He knows folks. He figured it out a long, long time ago...probably around the time a redhead jumped in front of Two-Face's machine guns to save his life.
Errr...what? Hey Disneyboy, which episode are you referring to regarding my duo of machine guns? :confused: Maybe I've just been up for too long today, but I just can't figure that one out.

Anyway, I think that Gordon must at least have an inkling about Barb being Batgirl, but out of respect for her privacy, he doesn't pry into it. Besides, the political and legal issues that could be raised over a high-ranking law official sharing a house with a vigilante...well, you can see how that would stir up trouble.

-Tim

[Stu]

Errr...what? Hey Disneyboy, which episode are you referring to regarding my duo of machine guns? :confused: Maybe I've just been up for too long today, but I just can't figure that one out.

Anyway, I think that Gordon must at least have an inkling about Barb being Batgirl, but out of respect for her privacy, he doesn't pry into it. Besides, the political and legal issues that could be raised over a high-ranking law official sharing a house with a vigilante...well, you can see how that would stir up trouble.

-Tim
DB is referring to Shadow Of The Bat, Batgirls first apperance in a Batman cartoon.

Not too sure if he knew or not, I mean, there may be anwser in Batman Beyond somewhere, which was very good at dropping hints about things like these...

[Ed Liu]

Howdy,


In the comics (at least, in the "Hush" run), the insinuation has been that Perry White does know Clark's secret... he's too good of a journalist not too. Obviously, comics Lois knows, though she wasn't smart enough to figure it out on her own (which is kinda pathetic).
I much preferred the Teri Hatcher Lois on Lois & Clark:

who forced the question when Clark asked her to marry him, and she replied, "Who's asking me, Clark? You," (removes his glasses), "or Superman?"

In any event, I think STAS Lois knows, and is continuing to keep up the facade for the sake of Clark's "secret identity" and his desire to keep it. I have no proof of this whatsoever -- it's just my opinion.


In "Growing Pains", Gordon tells Batman that he's thankful that Barbara is past her wild years... strange comment to make if he's really fully aware of what's going on.
I think he's referring to topics which frighten the fathers of hot redheaded daughters far more than any amount of crime or mayhem. While she's spending her nights getting shot at by other costumed weirdos, at least Gordon KNOWS the weird boy she's spending her nights with :).

-- Ed/Ace

[TimTwoFace]

DB is referring to Shadow Of The Bat, Batgirls first apperance in a Batman cartoon.

Not too sure if he knew or not, I mean, there may be anwser in Batman Beyond somewhere, which was very good at dropping hints about things like these...
*HITS FOREHEAD* I am an idiot. :p I guess it goes to show that I shouldn't, erm, intoxicate myself that thoroughly before I post on these boards. :p

Thanks for the assistance, my good man!

-Tim

[DisneyBoy]

Tim, how could you of all people forget the climax of Shadow of the Bat? :D

Guilty. Guilty.

[Jimbo]

I really don't think Gordon knows in the animated continuity. His line to Barbara Gordon at the end of "Over the Edge" simply implied that she was grown woman now and she didn't need to seek his approval in how she led her life.

I seriously doubt that he's aware that she's Batgirl given his line in "Growing Pains" where he tells Batman that he was glad Barbara is past her wild years, and Batman gives him that "Big Eye" look.

[Comic Thug]

You guys realize that Gordon isn't a real person right?

That ALL of them arent real?

And that the writers probably threw the "Wild Years" line in cause they thought it was funny?

Man seriously some of you just need to stop interpreting all kinds of stuff or try to find some kind of continuity holes or nitpick about whatever, and just enjoy the shows for what they are, CARTOONS, a small diversion from real life.

[Terminatah]

Of course he doesn't know. If he did, he'd have Batman arrested. The fact that he's a police commissioner and must have kickass detective skills has nothing to do with it.

-Terminatah

[Eddie G.]

You guys realize that Gordon isn't a real person right?

That ALL of them arent real?

And that the writers probably threw the "Wild Years" line in cause they thought it was funny?Well yeah, but if the guys in charge really wanted to hint at the commish knowing about Babs being Batgirl then the would not of included it.



Man seriously some of you just need to stop interpreting all kinds of stuff or try to find some kind of continuity holes or nitpick about whatever, and just enjoy the shows for what they are, CARTOONS, a small diversion from real life.Dude, people work their asses or some other body part to keep this site going, while others actually aspire to be and/or are animators. This is not the place to call CARTOONS a small diversion, nor is it the place to be arrogant.