Homosexuality?

[Eddie G.]

WARNING: The following post is about something that many feel is wrong. I do not ask for a "moral" discussion. So please reserve any negative feelings about homosexuality as possible, I do not want this thread closed or people's feelings to be hurt.




You want to know one of the reasons I'm not a homophobe. My parents taught me that it was okay and I have grown into an accpeting human being. But another reason was when I was little, not sure who young, but I was young. I saw an episode of Seinfield where famous word were muttered, "Not that there's anything wrong with that." It dealt with being gay and a message was repeatidly uttered although humourous, stated that being gay was okay.

I saw Lord of the Rings recently, and in a touching scene a male character kisses another on the forehead. It was appropriate, but of course someone in the theater had to yell out "queer." At school I hear people lable things as gay and call each another a word I will not type. Many men get uncomfortable when the word homo is muttered.

So anyway, do you thin that homosexuality should be able to exist on a children's cartoon. Not like Superman:TAS homosexuality where if you were a fan of the comics you got two characters' relationship. Nor am I talking about a showi that centers around or makes fun of homosexuality. Just a cartoon where two characters just so happen to have an openly gay relationship, no jokes, no vulgarity. Just a man or a man in love, or a woman and woman in love. I think this would be a big step forward in the acceptance of homosexuality amongst people and will at least teach children to be tolerant.

Comments?

[Master Moron]

Well, we did get that guy on Kenshin who was in love with Shishio. But, as for an actual relationship it'd be nice if it were to happen but I doubt we'll see one anytime soon. Can you imagine how many Christian mothers would complain?

[Morpheus]

I believe in choice. Any man or woman on this Earth has a right to do what they feel they need to do. They could love Woman or a man. It doesn't matter.

But then you have a factor which no man or woman can stop: hatred. Man will always hate one another. Example: The KKK.

[CryptiniteDemon]

No they shouldn't have it in cartoons. Shouldn't be in anything. I view it as wrong and I think kids shouldn't be taught that it's okay. Electronics tell us that homo just doesn't make sense. YOu can't put two female connectors together and you can't put to male connectors with eachother. (unless you have a converter but that's another issue)

I don't hate gay people and I'm not afraid of them like so many people, I just don't agree with their philosophy. Hating someone for their ideas is stupid. I don't agree with gay, but I'm not gonna go burn me up a homosexual cause I don't like the idea.

[Jaguar]

I think it should, but probably won't.

[Kryten]

No they shouldn't have it in cartoons. Shouldn't be in anything. I view it as wrong and I think kids shouldn't be taught that it's okay. Electronics tell us that homo just doesn't make sense. YOu can't put two female connectors together and you can't put to male connectors with eachother. (unless you have a converter but that's another issue)

I don't hate gay people and I'm not afraid of them like so many people, I just don't agree with their philosophy. Hating someone for their ideas is stupid. I don't agree with gay, but I'm not gonna go burn me up a homosexual cause I don't like the idea.

Nah, you'd just rather they cease to exist on their own. :rolleyes:

[Sora Takenouchi]

I think it should, but it probably won't for a while. If homosexuality does show up on children's programming, it'll probably be on the likes of PBS before it shows up on Nickelodeon/Cartoon Network/Kids WB/etc.

[Anthonynotes]

No they shouldn't have it in cartoons. Shouldn't be in anything. I view it as wrong and I think kids shouldn't be taught that it's okay. Electronics tell us that homo just doesn't make sense. YOu can't put two female connectors together and you can't put to male connectors with eachother. (unless you have a converter but that's another issue)

I don't hate gay people and I'm not afraid of them like so many people, I just don't agree with their philosophy. Hating someone for their ideas is stupid. I don't agree with gay, but I'm not gonna go burn me up a homosexual cause I don't like the idea.

Uh-huh. Nice to see my love life (despite currently being single) can be compared to that of something one can pick up off the shelf down at "Best Buy", let treated as something to hide/completely ban from all media ("Shouldn't be in anything"... does that include stuff like Ellen DeGeneres' talk show, or Bruce Vilanch showing up on "Hollywood Squares", or Rosie O'Donnell hosting Nickelodeon's Kids Choice Awards, or talking about the subject of homosexuality in news shows, AIDS prevention specials, etc. etc.?? Pretty broad/strong words for someone who claims not to "hate gay people"...). :-\

Anyway, from the above line, one can guess what my feelings on this are... though from the current looks of things, there's probably a ways to go before we get to see an openly gay couple in an American-made animated show on Nickelodeon/KWB/Cartoon Network/etc., where said relationship is treated the same as the straight couples' relationships (for better or for worse, considering the maturity with which romance/sex is treated on American TV shows...).

As historical precedent, while African-Americans made a breakthrough with 1965's "I Spy" (the first show where an African-American was billed as the main star in a non-stereotypical role. While there were several Black-starring TV shows in the 1950's, they either were extremely short-lived---Nat King Cole's show lasted about a month---or featured Blacks in stereotypical roles---see: "Amos and Andy"...), it took about another five years for African-Americans to show up as the starring/regularly supporting characters in kids' TV shows...namely around 1970, with "Josie and the Pussycats" and "The Jackson Five" cartoons ("Fat Albert", the perennial Sat. AM favorite, came along a few years later).

-B.

[Morpheus]

*Stands up, appluading*

[Mysterious Saturn]

I don't hate gay people and I'm not afraid of them like so many people, I just don't agree with their philosophy

I know this may go off topic, but I feel I have to say this. I have heard people refer to homosexuality as a choice, a decision, a preference, a lifestyle, but this is the first time I have ever seen someone refer to it as a philosophy. But, congradulations, CryptiniteDemon, on managing to turn the thread into exactly what the original poster didn't want it to become.


I don't agree with gay

I didn't know that love was a debate to be had amongst morals.


I view it as wrong and I think kids shouldn't be taught that it's okay.

Well look at it this way, homosexuality is something that is going to stay just as long as heterosexuality, so why try to hide it?


In my opinion, I don't think there would be anything wrong at all with portraying homosexuals in any form of entertainment. As long as it doesn't show anything too explicit. Whether it be straight or gay.

[Morpheus]

I found out that this was in a animation thread.

Anyway, It might be good. I'm for it.

[CryptiniteDemon]

But, congradulations, CryptiniteDemon, on managing to turn the thread into exactly what the original poster didn't want it to become.
.[/QUOTE]

Well if I hadn't said what i said, then everyone would be on me for not backing up my opinion. You can't back up an opinion like this without bringing the whole morals crap into it.

[Duke Psychology]

WARNING: The following post is about something that many feel is wrong. I do not ask for a "moral" discussion. So please reserve any negative feelings about homosexuality as possible, I do not want this thread closed or people's feelings to be hurt.







sorry, dude, but with a topic like this, there's no way you can avoid the "morality" aspect of homosexuality. you're talking about if people want homosexuality to show up in the cartoons their kids watch/will watch. some parents have beliefs and want their kids to adopt their beliefs. any who don't agree with homosexuality won't want their kids watching something that condones it.

[Bubblegum Girl]

Homsexuality shouldn't be in cartoons that mostly kids at the ages of 1-12 watch. However I don't see anything wrong of using homo in adult cartoons, like South Park or Family Guy. Heck, SNL even had Ambigously Gay Duo!

[MajorTom]

Okay. I wouldn't mind it in cartoons. Although, I wouldn't want it to be condoned or condemned. I'm sorry if I offend anyone, but I do believe homosexuality is wrong. And unlike some people may think, I don't hate gay people at all. I just don't agree with how they live. That does NOT mean I hate them.

-Major Tom

[BabySealClubber]

I don't harbor any disapproval over the appearence of homosexual characters in cartoons, however I would be very concerned over their portrayal in the medium. Animation is often viewed as a place where artists are given a chance to break the boundries that confine reality. Often what is permissable in cartoons would be considered offensive when preformed by living actors. Here, I fear some creators might be too willing to go for the easy laugh and exploit the life-style for all it's over-the-top stereotypes as is too often the case on gay-centric live-action programs. Do we really wanna see another animated version of "Jack" from Will and Grace? Or perhaps one could say that we already have through the subversive wit of South Park. Certainly, "Big Gay Bob" seems to fit that bill. However, he is not a regular character and is usually only featured when the writers are trying to exploit the simpleness of some viewpoints. So could a regular character be portrayed as openly gay and not be exploitive? I think it is possible although it would be difficult. For years now we've all known that "Smithers" from the Simpons is gay, but he has never been open about it. The character has developed more rounded perhaps because he wasn't originally invisioned as being such. Mr. Burn's lackey is what he started out as and the homosexual aspects were added later, so a boot-lick is still his primary characteristic. I guess what I would hope is that any creator would realize that being gay shouldn't be the primary feature of a character as they then become a one-dimentional, agenda-driven platform and not real enough for the audience to care about over time.

Look at what happened to Ellen when she came out. :p

[Chibi Kageboshi]

Homsexuality shouldn't be in cartoons that mostly kids at the ages of 1-12 watch. However I don't see anything wrong of using homo in adult cartoons, like South Park or Family Guy. Heck, SNL even had Ambigously Gay Duo!

Yes, by all means if they want homosexuality in cartoons lets make it funny and laugh at them!!!

It really makes me sad when people put down gay people. Sure there are the south park mr. garrison type and it's funny anyone will laugh but not every gay person is like that. I have some gay friends and they arent femanine at all and they are some of the best people i have ever met. A lot of people say "I dont agree with their choice" well realise it isnt their choice, they are born with it. I never had anyone come up to me and ask me "hey, what do you want to be? hetero or homo?". I have had a long discussion with a good friend and he told me "I wish i could like girls, but i cant. If it was my choice i would be attracted to girls." he said to him looking at a girl is like a desk, sure the desk can be beautiful, but that all you do is look and admire you dont want to be with the desk. I think homosexuality should be in children's cartoons, not in a sexual way but as a normal couple like any other. By having homosexuality in a cartoon it doesnt make it "right". as some of you have put it, it just lets the children know there are people like that out there and you shouldnt hate them because of it. But ignorance is bless i guesse *shrug*.

[Bubblegum Girl]

Yes, by all means if they want homosexuality in cartoons lets make it funny and laugh at them!!!

It really makes me sad when people put down gay people.

I never intend to say to make fun of gays. Besides, it's none of my business on who loves who.

[DianaGohan]

My thoughts:

The issue of homosexuality is a touchy subject for entertainment. It should be respected and not mocked just for the hell of it, and should be accepted. That includes in cartoons. Of course, depending on what type of cartoon it is. Don't overadress the issue if it's a kids cartoon but don't try to sugarcoat it comepletley either. That's all I'm saying.

[Chibi Kageboshi]

I never intend to say to make fun of gays. Besides, it's none of my business on who loves who.

I'm sorry Bubblegum Girl it wasnt my entetion to make it sound like you were against it. I was just trying to point out that most cartoons have gays as crazy wild characters.

[Animation Otaku]

I have no problem with it. Anime seems to have a fair amount of homosexuality, compared to american produced cartoons, but still not all that much. I think that this topic shouldn't come up. Homosexuality is no more offensive than heterosexuality, and it shouldn't be viewed like that. Besides, homosexuality is something your born with, so if we have blacks and hispanics in animation, why shouldn't we have gays?

[Mog]

I have no problem with it. Anime seems to have a fair amount of homosexuality, compared to american produced cartoons, but still not all that much. I think that this topic shouldn't come up. Homosexuality is no more offensive than heterosexuality, and it shouldn't be viewed like that. Besides, homosexuality is something your born with, so if we have blacks and hispanics in animation, why shouldn't we have gays?

That's Japan though. The Japanese are more forgiving of homosexuality. In America we have many people and religions, let's just say WASP's, that think it's immoral or just plain god-hating. Not much we can do.

My opinion? As long as it doesn't hurt anyone or involve me, I could care less.

[Juu-kuchi]

Homosexuality is a touchy subject, but sometimes I think it should be prevalent in shows in order to show people the world with different people and how they live the way they live.

I don't think it should be showed to young children, but eventually they'll have to know why a man dresses funny and kisses another man and hold hands. But then again the Sesame Street in South Africa has a Muppet with HIV. However, despite having her to alleviate uneasiness to the disease, the people watching her that are HIV positive still get the shaft because they will die, and she will not.

Anime seems to be open to homosexual relationships. Gravitation is a romantic story about two men. Card Captor Sakura has some implications with Yukito (ironically voiced by a woman) to Touya and Tomoyo to Sakura.

Oh yeah, let's not forget all the fangirls who looooove yaoi in Japan. It's most prevalent in shows like Digimon, Gundam Wing, and Gundam SEED.

I dunno.

[Mog]

I don't think it should be showed to young children, but eventually they'll have to know why a man dresses funny and kisses another man and hold hands. But then again the Sesame Street in South Africa has a Muppet with HIV. However, despite having her to alleviate uneasiness to the disease, the people watching her that are HIV positive still get the shaft because they will die, and she will not.


You have just made my day. that's siggy quality.

[Juu-kuchi]

You have just made my day. that's siggy quality.

:looks at the sig:

Unfortunately, I am a man.

[Nin-Nin69]

Watch out kids! NBC has a brand spanking new cartoon for Saturday mornings! Will and Grace the Animated Series.

[Master Moron]

Homosexuality is a touchy subject, but sometimes I think it should be prevalent in shows in order to show people the world with different people and how they live the way they live.

I don't think it should be showed to young children, but eventually they'll have to know why a man dresses funny and kisses another man and hold hands.

Now this is the attitude that I don't understand. People who claim not to be homophobic say that they don't think it should be showed to young children. Now, if you're talking about Sesame Street, yeah, homosexuality shouldn't be dealt with, but neither should heterosexuality. I don't think sexual orientations are ever discussed in Seseme Street. For all we know, Big Bird is gay.

But, if you're saying that gay people shouldn't be shown in a cartoon like say...Justice League, or even Teen Titans, I really don't see your point. I mean, Starfire and Robin are clearly a couple. They go on dates sometimes, they are clearly heterosexual but they don't seem to ever be involved in sex. Now, what would be wrong with showing say two women on a ferris wheel eating cotton candy together? I really don't see the problem with young people seeing a gay couple on a date. Gay sex obviously should not be discussed on a kids show, but neither should straight sex.

The problem is that most people associate being gay with gay sex. Yet, people do not associate straight people with straight sex. I mean people don't think of Bugs Bunny having sex with Lola Bunny do they? They're both heterosexual, but thinking of them having sex just seems wrong. Yet, if there was a gay Looney Tunes couple I'm sure people would envision them having sex, despite Looney Tunes characters not having any visible sex organs.

[Chibi Kageboshi]

Master Moron i couldnt have said it better my self. Just because they're gay doesnt mean they want sex 24/7 they are just like anyone else.


The Japanese are more forgiving of homosexuality

Theres nothing to forgive. :rolleyes:

[Mynd Hed]

homosexuality is something your born with

That has never been conclusively proven. Of course, it's never been conclusively proven that homosexuality is something you're NOT born with, either. There's evidence pointing either way.

[Juu-kuchi]

The problem is that most people associate being gay with gay sex. Yet, people do not associate straight people with straight sex. I mean people don't think of Bugs Bunny having sex with Lola Bunny do they? They're both heterosexual, but thinking of them having sex just seems wrong. Yet, if there was a gay Looney Tunes couple I'm sure people would envision them having sex, despite Looney Tunes characters not having any visible sex organs.

That's why I said "I dunno." after my statement, because my opinion is really not firm on the subject.

Yet I do agree with what is said above.

[Dudley]

I'm going to avoid saying something I'll regret...

They should make a TV special that talks about homosexuality.
I remember that Nick News was going to talk about homosexuality, and lots of people were complaining about that. I was in a hotel without Nickelodeon so I don't know if they pulled it off or not.

Did they?

[Dudley]

Originally Posted by Master Moron


The problem is that most people associate being gay with gay sex. Yet, people do not associate straight people with straight sex. I mean people don't think of Bugs Bunny having sex with Lola Bunny do they? They're both heterosexual, but thinking of them having sex just seems wrong. Yet, if there was a gay Looney Tunes couple I'm sure people would envision them having sex, despite Looney Tunes characters not having any visible sex organs.
Have you seen the episode of Family Guy when Peter finds out that his son had a huge (avoiding saying something I will regret). And later Brian said that his thing goes inside when he stands up.
Maybe that goes for all cartoon animals.

[joshualane]

I love the people who say "I'm not homophobic, but I just don't agree with the lifestyle and think it's wrong"... like somehow the first part makes up for the second. Yeah, that's real comforting to gays & lesbians the world over. :rolleyes:

Back to the topic at hand though, I think we'll see homosexuals depicted in cartoons in a normal light sooner rather than later. Live-Action TV Shows are already doing it and it's only a matter of time before animation does it as well. My guess is that it'll be something on MTV (or some other Cable outlet) and not Kids WB/Nick/Cartoon Network/Etc.

[ClockStomper]

No they shouldn't have it in cartoons. Shouldn't be in anything. I view it as wrong and I think kids shouldn't be taught that it's okay. .

They don't get "taught" anything. Post puberty, if men don't give them errections or whatever, they won't be gay. Sit through a Will and Grace marathon. You won't come out of it with a spontaneus love of sodomy.

[CookieS]

I think it can be delt with in a manner that is tasteful and real. The only thing I don't like about some homosexual content in entertainment is that usually the homosexuality is spun into a plot point. Having any sexuality as a main part of the programming's plot is bound to be controversal. Even hetrosexual plot lines are only hinted at through affectionate shots and music. Nothing graphic. Nothing overt.

I think with children's programming specifically, all types of relationships should exist. The best entertainment is the kind in which a viewer can learn or evoke emotion from the subject. A good story should carry out reguardless of which fictional character sleeps with who. A main thing to stress is that the whole story doesn't have to revolve around sexuality.

[Shawn Hopkins]

The problem is that most people associate being gay with gay sex. Yet, people do not associate straight people with straight sex. I mean people don't think of Bugs Bunny having sex with Lola Bunny do they? They're both heterosexual, but thinking of them having sex just seems wrong.

I didn't think of it until you put the image in my head. Now it won't come out.

I'm all for more gay characters in cartoons, as long as they don't fall into the same traps and stereotypes we see in live action. Sometimes we seem to get the "gay monk." A supposedly openly gay character, sometimes one who loudly proclaims it, that we never see kissing, holding hands, going on or talking about dates unless its for laughs or doing many of the things the heterosexual characters do. I agree with you that we don't actually have to see gay cartoon characters have sex anymore than we have to see straight ones, but there should be more evidence of their sexuality than a descriptive term, a well-intentioned equality message or a handful of stereotypes. The two women on a ferris wheel example you use is very good.

What I'm afraid actually will happen in cartoons is that the gay character will take his place among the character in a wheelchair, the black character and the Asian character of nonspecific origin as fodder to fill out a politically correct "diverse" cast. Look for it in Captain Planet 2005.

[Sailor Chibi Otaku]

There's one in "Braceface": Dion.

Nelvana is being subtle about it, though.

No beef here on my end. I do enjoy yaoi. :o Look at the demographics of "The Simpsons". Mostly young people watch "The Simpsons" and Smithers is gay.

[Chibi Kageboshi]

Look for it in Captain Planet 2005.

His ring will have the power to turn people gay. lol. oh yes i can picture it all now. it's the next step to world peace.

[MajorTom]

I love the people who say "I'm not homophobic, but I just don't agree with the lifestyle and think it's wrong"... like somehow the first part makes up for the second. Yeah, that's real comforting to gays & lesbians the world over. :rolleyes:



The word "Homophobic" means someone who is scared of homosexual people. If I don't agree with the way they live, that doesn't mean I'm afraid of them.

-Major Tom

[Artimus Gigan]

There's also that old Transvestite in Abenobashi

it's subtle though they don't state it....but they mention it on the DVD insert..

[ClockStomper]

4KIDS kept in a transvestite/cross-dresser in Pokemon, and a few of their edits make James seem more "interested" in his cross dressing.

[Dee]

No they shouldn't have it in cartoons. Shouldn't be in anything. I view it as wrong and I think kids shouldn't be taught that it's okay. Electronics tell us that homo just doesn't make sense. YOu can't put two female connectors together and you can't put to male connectors with eachother. (unless you have a converter but that's another issue)

I don't hate gay people and I'm not afraid of them like so many people, I just don't agree with their philosophy. Hating someone for their ideas is stupid. I don't agree with gay, but I'm not gonna go burn me up a homosexual cause I don't like the idea.
It's not a matter of reproducing, its a matter of emotions and if people like each other and get along, let them be together.

I'm okay with it. I don't mind it. I work with a couple of guys like this, and I went to a college and lived in a dorm with a number of women like it. They're some of the best people I know.

It's in life, and art imitates life, and cartoons are art. If it's out there, let it be in toons. Of course, Im not all about "let's make homosexual superman or batman" or change established characters. Times change and there will be new cartoons and animation and there should be characters that reflect it.

TV reflects it with "Queer Eye" and soon enough, cartoons will reflect it and I hope they do so without it being the center of a joke.

Those kids who jeered it in LOTR, well they're idiots because Sam and Frodo were really close friends. Frankly, I'd say anything that involves going to the ends of the earth in search of a way to destroy the ultimte evil, and nearly getting killed a dozen times, will bring friends together like that. ooh so what one kissed another on the top of the head. Big whoop. Theres no need to be hateful and scream something in the theater.

One of these days, those guys will get themselves made fools of. It's part of society and it takes some people more time to adjust than others.

If memory serves me, there was a homosexual comic book character discussed last year.

[EightOh]

There's also that old Transvestite in Abenobashi

it's subtle though they don't state it....but they mention it on the DVD insert..Subtle? You mean, "subtle" like a hurricane? ;)

[Hey_yu]

Seems like many of you have never seen any yaoi ;)

[ClockStomper]

I think connectors is a bad analogy, since they aren't made from flinging fluid haphazardly at each other. You don't see so many XXY connector babies. Conjoined connector twins. Cerebral Pulsey connectors.

[Artimus Gigan]

Subtle? You mean, "subtle" like a hurricane? ;)
Well they refer to, wait what do you call a Transvestite? S/he, them , they?

Well I mean the cothes that they have the transvestite wear, you'd just think it was a lady...

oh and most japanese porn is creepy and messy


I'd like to know what rug cleaners they use

but they censor certain parts because they are not allowed to film those(they have laws)

[Hey_yu]

There's also that old Transvestite in Abenobashi

it's subtle though they don't state it....but they mention it on the DVD insert..?

Haha, I've got an image of that, don't know if it's appropriate for this board ;)

[Artimus Gigan]

I just thought she was an experianced adult entertainer...

[Master Moron]

4KIDS kept in a transvestite/cross-dresser in Pokemon, and a few of their edits make James seem more "interested" in his cross dressing.

Crossdressing doesn't mean gay. Actually, I remember hearing that most transvestites are actually straight men.

[Artimus Gigan]

I thought crossdressing was associated with being gay...

[Hey_yu]

Crossdressing doesn't mean gay. Actually, I remember hearing that most transvestites are actually straight men.

Actually, I hear a lot of straight men are also attracted to transvestites (hence the high ratings for shows like Jerry Springer...the fighting part is meant to throw you off!).


I thought crossdressing was associated with being gay...

That is the association to the general public when they think of cross-dressing, but actually, I do remember hearing what Master Moron said, that most tranvestites are straight and it's a "fetish" (they get a kick out of "dressing up"). Transsexuals on the other hand are a different matter, some are gay, some are not...

[Xada-Hgla]

oh and most japanese porn is creepy and messy


I'd like to know what rug cleaners they use

but they censor certain parts because they are not allowed to film those(they have laws)Veering off-topic for a second, I just wanted to say that you haven't seen any installments of "Cool Devices", have you, Artimus Gigan?http://forums.toonzone.net/images/smilies/evil3.gif Long story short, the aformentioned laws, while they still exist (although it's been a while since I've checked), are slowly, but surely changing.

[Hey_yu]

Long story short, the aformentioned laws, while they still exist (although it's been a while since I've checked), are slowly, but surely changing.

Heck yeah :anime:

[Artimus Gigan]

To the Ye Ol Porn Shoppe post hate!

[Redi]

Bugs Bunny is gay. *not that there's anything wrong with that*



As time goes on maybe there will be more openly gay characters in American cartoons...just like maybe they'll be more than one black character, a non-martial artist asian character, and a latino character without an accent.

....*holds breathe*

[Hey_yu]

Bugs Bunny is gay. *not that there's anything wrong with that*

Ha, I knew that's why he liked kissing Elmer Fudd on the lip's all the time...it wasn't to elude him, but he really wanted to! And all those times dressing up in drag to fool Elmer Fudd...it wasn't to fool him, it was to appease him :eek: :o

[Sailor Chibi Otaku]

4KIDS kept in a transvestite/cross-dresser in Pokemon, and a few of their edits make James seem more "interested" in his cross dressing.

Consider this, though: it's common to see that in anime. In plays/operas in Japan, the female characters are pretty much played by men.

The first geisha were men.

[Hey_yu]

Consider this, though: it's common to see that in anime. In plays/operas in Japan, the female characters are pretty much played by men.

The first geisha were men.

And in Shakespeare's time, all the female roles were played by men, which was common all throughout Europe...think of that the next time you read "Romeo & Juliet" :sweat:

[Squidhead]

For Christ's sake, these are cartoons we're talking about! What boy at the age of 5 has a craving for sausage?

[Hey_yu]

For Christ's sake, these are cartoons we're talking about! What boy at the age of 5 has a craving for sausage?

True, but cartoons are mostly made by men in their 40's and 50's, and there's always a good amount of subtext that will go over the heads of most children, that only adults would get...BTW, while we're on this subject, I think beastiality is very well-represented if you think about it :eek:

[Sailor Chibi Otaku]

And in Shakespeare's time, all the female roles were played by men, which was common all throughout Europe...think of that the next time you read "Romeo & Juliet" :sweat:

I forgot about that.

What's wrong seeing two men kiss each other, snuggle each other- I'll stop there..!! :o

Back in the day (Shakespeare-wise), you wouldn't see that happening these days in movies/stage based off his plays. Curse those to HELL for doing modern versions of his plays!! You just can't DO that!! :(

I saw "Taming of the Shrew" and I was so lost!! :( :mad:

[shogunthethird]

Frodo and Sam aren't gay, they're just REEEEEALLLY European. and as for Yaoi I can see how some would like it but not in cases where 100% straight characters suddenly turn gay ( whoever keeps writing those slash pairings with Sanji from OP....how the hell do you find anything gay about a man who turns to jelly at the mere sight of Nami)
and there's nothing wrong with men kissing, especially if it's a relative and it's the nicest way to say for business reasons they're about to die

and as for my moral ground, I believe in live and let screw, what you do with someone you care for is none of my business, you don't tell me to start being gay so why should I tell you to stop?

[Master Moron]

For Christ's sake, these are cartoons we're talking about! What boy at the age of 5 has a craving for sausage?

Jeezus, this is just what I was talking about in one of my previous posts. Being gay isn't just about sex! When I was 5 I was ATTRACTED to girls in preschool. I didn't want to stick my "sausage" in their "peach". I probably didn't even know what female body parts looked like back then. Nevertheless, I'm sure gay 5 year olds would be ATTRACTED to guys in preschool. But, they would not want another boy's "sausage". Having a crush on someone when you're a kid does not mean you want to have sex with them.

[supermonkey]

I think there is no need to shelter kids after a certain point. Expose them to guns, sex, sexual preference, gender issues, and drugs in an appropriate and educational context to prepare them for real life.


Frodo and Sam aren't gay, they're just REEEEEALLLY European.

lol. This made me think of Seinfield's european carryall.

[CryptiniteDemon]

I think there is no need to shelter kids after a certain point. Expose them to guns, sex, sexual preference, gender issues, and drugs in an appropriate and educational context to prepare them for real life.



lol. This made me think of Seinfield's european carryall.

"You're what?"
"My european carrall."
"What's that?"
"The black thing with the string"
"You mean a purse?"
"Yes, a purse, I carry a purse!"

I love that scene.