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Karkull
12-28-2003, 03:40 PM
NOTE: I can't recall if one of these threads has already been started, so I apologize if it has (I haven't seen one on the five most recent pages, so a new one might be in order anyways).

Anyway, for the past few weeks we've been reading report after report about which superheroes will be guest-starring this season, but as for villains we've only recieved confrimation on one: Mongul. Compared to last season's rumors and teasers -- where we heard a laundry list of bad guys to whet our appetites -- this is maddening. So I ask you: based on what has come before, speculation, and just plain wishing; who do you think will be raising hell this season on Justice League?

Here are my pics:

RETURNING VILLAINS

Vandal Savage

He's currently shaping up to vie for the coveted "Darkseid" slot -- the series' major adversary -- so I wouldn't be surprised to see him again.

Lex Luthor

After shedding his supervillain career in favor of a more "jack-of-all-trades" villainy, he'll probably stop by. Also, if he does run for President, which A Better World hinted at, I wouldn't be surprised to see the animated debut of Suicide Squad, the government-sponsored superteam that uses "reformed" villains.

Gorilla Grodd / The Secret Society

Unlike the Injustice Gang, The Secret Society has a better chance of making a return appearance. Not only did the team worked well together, but they haven't even begun to scratch the surface of their potential to oppose the League. Imagine The Parasite draining Batman of his intelligence and fighting prowess, or Clayface trying to absorb the divine clay that makes up Wonder Woman's body (as he recently tried to do in the comics)? True, not every member may return, but the Society functions too well to just disband.

However, if the Society doesn't return, I don't see why Grodd wouldn't. After Savage and Luthor, Grodd is one of the animated League's primary adversaries.

Killer Frost

If Firestorm appears, chances are that his archfoe from the comics will too.

Solomon Grundy

So what if he died -- in the comics Grundy has died more times than Jean Grey. Also, as the DCAU's resident Hulk-like monstrosity, he's developed quite a following.

Dr. Destiny

In the comics, Destiny's desire for revenge worsened when he lost his ability to dream, which caused him to whither away into a form that could best be described as looking like Gollem from LOTR. As it stands he still hasn't given the League the "punishment" that he thinks that they deserve, he owes Batman for the beating that he took, and he didn't even get a crack at Wonder Woman yet...

In addition, imagine if Destiny's return coincided with an appearance from the DC/Vertigo Sandman character. In the comics, Dee's second Materioptikon was The Sandman's Dreamstone, which was stolen from him while he was imprisoned. Using the stone's powers, Dee was able to infect dreams on a global scale in one of the most horrifying comic tales ever.

NEW VILLAINS

Ares

Wonder Woman's arch-enemy; the embodiment of everything that Diana and the Amazons stand for. He's long overdue for an appearance; plus I've had the sneaking suspicion that he's Aresia's patron from Fury (where else could she have recieved her information on germ warfare from and how else did she get off the island undetected?).

T.O. Morrow

Creator of Red Tornado's android shell, he'll appear if his creation does.

The Gentleman's Ghost

Okay, this one is on my wish list. Frequently mentioned as a potential bad guy for the former Batman series, the creative team never got around to using him (no thanks to FOX, who put the axe to a Ghost appearance during their BTAS days). I think that a Gentleman's Ghost appearance would make a wonderful basis for a Batman/Hawkgirl team-up, seeing as how he's been an adversary of both for years.

Jason Woodrue - The Floronic Man

Another wish list character. Essentially a Poison Ivy-like bad guy, Woodrue had a shining moment in the pages of Swamp Thing, where the plant-man usurped the Swamp Thing's mental connection to The Green (the collective hive-mind of the planet's plant life) and went mad. Seeing as how the creative team apparently has a great affinity for Alan Moore's work, I don't see this a being outside the realm of possibility.

In fact: how about a Woodrue/Ivy team-up? The creative team has had Ivy-themed stories on the brain for quite a while now. Throw in Swamp Thing (who made a walk-on "cameo" in Comfort and Joy) and Solomon Grundy into the mix and you would have an awesome story.

(NOTE: Okay, an adaption of the Swamp Thing story would be more dramatic if Ivy took Woodrue's place, but Woodrue would make a great supporting villain for the episode. Fun fact: Woodrue was Ivy's Botany professor back in college.)

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So, what do you think? Remember: don't just name off a bunch of names, give us a reason why you think they should appear.

The Detective
12-28-2003, 04:00 PM
Vandal Savage: Definately one of the series big bads, he was the main villain of the S1 finale and had two S2 appearances. He'll almost definately show up once more.

Lex Luthor: Again, with several appearances in both seasons and a hint that he'll run for president pretty certain he poke his bald head in again.

Ras al Ghul: This one is pretty much hoping but he is one of the most asked for villians and as we saw in S2 the crew listends to us. Ras just has to show up.

Fernus
12-28-2003, 04:32 PM
Returning Villains/Villainesses


Lex Luthor

After A Better World, it's almost demanded that Lex Luthor returns, this time as President, or at least running for President. I see him being the "master mind" behind several villains that may come, the man behind the curtain.


Killer Frost

Like Karkull said, if we truly are seeing Firestorm, I'd expect to see her. Out of the Secret Society, she seemed to have the most character. I'd welcome an appearance from her.


Morgaine Le Fay:

One of the highlight villainesses of season one, it's about time she returns to face th Justice League again. Apart from Orm, I do not see any other season one villains returning who haven't already besides her. Can't see Etrigan coming in, though, without repeating A Knight of Shadows.



New Villains


Ra's al Ghul

As long as we stay out of Tower of Babel, I'd be more than happy for Ra's to show up. Out of Batman's villains, he would make the most trouble to the League, along with Scarecrow.


Ma'alefa'ak (Malefic)

From the John Ostrander series, I can not think of any other of J'onn's villains who could pose a bigger threat than him. Even though the origins will make this a bit difficult, he can still find a way to show up. It's either him or Fernus for the best bets of an MM enemy.

Mysteryinfoman
12-28-2003, 04:37 PM
Savage-as you said, he is becoming a bigger villian and may be like Darkseid at one point.

Lex Luthor-I think it is obvious he'll show up more than once0.

Amazo-I think he left at the end of the episode, he might be back at some point.

Thats it for now.

HelloKittyKat
12-28-2003, 04:44 PM
Luthor, Vandal Savage, Grodd, and Darkseid are good bets for returning villains

The producers might give in to demand for Ra's al Ghul to appear.

Killer Frost, Chronos and T.O. Morrow are good bets to fight the guest heroes.

Who else wants to see an Amazo/Red Tornado fight?

We need to see more Flash villains, period. And if they use Zoom, I pray he isn't just some cheap lackey on a new supervillain team.

Ares, Prometheus, and the Lord of Time are some big villains who haven't been used yet.

BCVM22
12-28-2003, 05:26 PM
Supposedly, we have Captain Atom showing up in Season 3. Perhaps that means we'll get appearances by General Eiling (who was the head of the Captain Atom program that bonded Captain Nathaniel Adam with the alien metal), either human or in his Shaggy Man form?

All-Star 1.5
12-28-2003, 05:45 PM
I Wouldn't mind seeing gold old Vandal Savage again. But I don't think he should try to take over the world. I mean in the comics didn't he hunt down Arsenal and his daughter because he was their ancestor and he needed one of their organs to live. I wouldn't mind seeing that adapted but instead of Arsenal I would rather it would be Batman or Green Arrow. Or maybe if does return to take over the world I wouldn't mind him using the Illuminati, a secret organization that he started.

I don't see Solomon Grundy coming back because I would perfer that he stay dead for now. And if he does come back I perfer if he was a ghost or at least for a little while.

Ras' could appear but I don't see how he would be any different from Vandal Savage unless the two were pitted against each other. But then agian he did do something big that was refrenced to in Batman Beyond so maybe he could turn up to fulfill that refrence.

I wouldn't mind seeing the 5th dimesional imp Mxyptzlk(sp?) appearing seeing as how he was really underused in S:TAS. In fact I am surprised he didn't appear this season especially considering all the Superman villians that did. And the league probably has some understanding of him since he was one of the target dummies that was seen in "Secret Society".

If Darkseid is dead. Then maybe his son could show up. And no I am not talking about Kaliebak, Orion or Mr. Miracle but Grayven(sp?) if I am not mistaken in the comics he is the one responible for John Stewart being paralyzed and the break up of the Darkstars a intergalatic peace keeping force that is similar to the GL corps.

But if Darkseid isn't dead I wouldn't mind if he showed up to cause a little bit of chaos........ on a unoversal scale that is.

I wouldn't mind seeing The Zamarons since we already have Star Sapphire and I would also like to see The Controllers seeing as how they too are related to the Guardians.

I also wouldn't mind seeing some Flash villians like Blue/Red Trinity, Savitar, Reverse Flash, and Cobalt Blue

Ares,Circe,Giganta and Cheetah would all be really good villians for Wonder Woman.

I would love to see Lex Luthor and most of the supporting villians from this past season to return as well as some new ones from B:TAS and some never before seen villians from other heros continunties.

Alex Weitzman
12-28-2003, 06:08 PM
Savage and Luthor are the obvious returning picks, as noted in several posts already. The Joker is also likely to appear, even if only in the background. Also, given the focus given these last two seasons on Batman's relationship to the League, and especially his little crack about the kryptonite in his utility belt ("Call it insurance."), a Tower of Babel adaptation is probably forthcoming.

This is not a specific guess, but I think the team will spend at least one of the episodes creating an entirely new villain for the League to fight.

The Detective
12-28-2003, 07:10 PM
More...

Chronos: With The Atom set to appear Chronos is a possibility.....he is an Atom villian and has appeared in the JL animated comic.

Reverse Flash: This one is me hoping but I hope we see him make an appearance and we see Flash get to DO SOMETHING. I mean really go all out have some massive super speed battle or something.

Sinestro: His appearance in the SS was minimal, I'd like to see him get his own episode. It would be even better if we got to see Kyle Rayner as a guest shot.

Jax-Ur and Malla: C'mon two superman level threats? It would be great!

GL2k2
12-28-2003, 07:41 PM
Well, off the top of my head, villians were speculated and pondered in the Season Three thread, but it deserves its own. So here goes.

NEW VILLIANS:


Ra's Al Ghul He is a must. Whether they adapt "Tower of Babel" for the season finale or whatever they come with, but I think he'd have to make an entrance that rivals Darkseid's "Twilight" appearance and he'd have to usurp the leading immortal position from 'ol Vandal Savage. But if anyone can, it would be Ra's.

OT: Did anyone hear rumors of ben Kingsley's interest in playing Ra's Al Ghul in a Batman film? I got this info from another site.

Professor Zoom aka Reverse Flash In order to bring out more character development in Flash, this villian is a must. Besides, his other rogue gallery members have been used in a comedic way already other than Grodd.

Chronos Been waiting for him. Bwah, hah, hah, get it.

T.O.Morrow Has to appear if Red Tornado appears.

Dr. Polaris Since I've figured out he's not the same guy that appeared in Teen Titans. I'm hoping he can make an appearance as a Green Lantern foe.


RETURNING VILLIANS:

Luthor I think he should only make one appearance this season, perhaps establishing his campaign to the presidency. No more than that.

Grodd It's established he has a new found psychic power and added to his thirst for vengeance and his guidance of the Secret Society, he should make an appearance next season.

Sinestro Like they say, be careful what you wish for. I was hoping to see Sinestro in Season 2, but I didn't like the way he was used. Sinestro's the kind of villian who can contain an entire episode alone and take on the Justice League. I also thinking if he appears, he would have to be teamed with none other than. . .

The Manhunters Definitely a threat to the team and the entire earth. If a good story could be justified to bring them in, I'd like to see it.

Felix Faust This is a villian I don't want to be called off just yet. Although "Paradise Lost" wasn't my favorite episode of S1, but it did provide us with the series first mystical JL villian. I'd really like to see more of Felix Faust in an episode that will utilize more of they're insight on magic.

Juu-kuchi
12-28-2003, 08:18 PM
Vandal Savage most definitely will return, as well as Luthor. We'll see another Secret Society episode as well.

Ra's Al Ghoul is most definitely a top contender for Season 3, I wouldn't mind a Vandal/Ra's crossover against the League as two immortals battle against them.

One question, I've heard rumors of new members to the league are they going to replace a number of the original JL? If they are they're just going to make this a DC version of that Avengers show on Fox.

FALLEN ELDOR
12-28-2003, 08:18 PM
Ra's VS Vandal, c'mon, you know it has to happen! but please no "Tower of Babel"
it would just end up being redundant ;)

And I would love to see Darkseid licking his wounds, working secretly through Ares to get at the league.

I also really really want to see a huge time spanning epic with Chronos at the center point and Wave Rider gathering heroes from the past present and future, a Crisis level event!

Sinestro and more green lantern villains, I can't get enough of green lantern, they definitely need there own show!

Knight
12-28-2003, 08:33 PM
Who else wants to see an Amazo/Red Tornado fight?



I don't see that being much of a fight considering Amazo posses the powers of the entire JL and Red Tornado is just a robot with wind powers.

Ras would be nice but he's no Vandal Savage who is a true immortal. Ras is a wannabe who takes a lazrus bath from time to time but can still be killed if you put a bullet to him. Vandal on the other side cant be killed. So if the two were ever to war Vandal would certainly outlast him.

Alex Weitzman
12-28-2003, 09:13 PM
Jax-Ur and Malla: C'mon two superman level threats? It would be great!

Well, don't forget that whole sucked-into-a-black-hole problem.

DianaGohan
12-28-2003, 09:17 PM
I see A.M.A.Z.O returning with a league of super killer cyborgs he found and trying to take over the earth and shape it into his own "godly" image. And the Justice League tries to stop him somehow. I think it works at least.

Simpler Simon
12-28-2003, 09:36 PM
Ra's Al Ghul - a MUST. From Karkull's site I gather Ra's isn't a true JL enemy, but the team will get slaughtered by the fans if he doesn't appear. It'd be nice to get another epic story from him - we've only gotten melee fights since The Demon's Quest. And I MUST see Talia again :D

Dr. Destiny - The ending of Only a Dream seemed to set up the creepy, wasted Dr. Destiny that most fans thought would appear.

Vandal Savage/Lex Luthor/Joker/Solomon Grundy - as much as these four could probably appear again, it's not necessarily a given. Vandal, Grundy, and Luthor have pretty much completed their character "arcs", albeit prematurely. Luthor, in particular, has also appeared a lot this season. I'm getting a bit tired of Joker, even though Wild Cards looks to be good fun. And not every major nemesis has to make return appearances - Blight from BB was killed off at the end of season 1.

Nick K.
12-28-2003, 10:00 PM
Black Manta in an Aquaman Episode!

He is a classic villain who's only chance to be explored may be tgis show, unless we get an Aquaman Animated Series!

Circe would be a great villain for a WW centered ep and if The Flash provided some hilarious commentary on, how much he is in love with this seductress... Well now...

More Original Villains!

Tsukuri and Vox were some really good inventions so I wanna see some new ones now!

All-Star 1.5
12-28-2003, 10:00 PM
Ra's Al Ghul - a MUST. From Karkull's site I gather Ra's isn't a true JL enemy, but the team will get slaughtered by the fans if he doesn't appear. It'd be nice to get another epic story from him - we've only gotten melee fights since The Demon's Quest. And I MUST see Talia again :D

Dr. Destiny - The ending of Only a Dream seemed to set up the creepy, wasted Dr. Destiny that most fans thought would appear.

Vandal Savage/Lex Luthor/Joker/Solomon Grundy - as much as these four could probably appear again, it's not necessarily a given. Vandal, Grundy, and Luthor have pretty much completed their character "arcs", albeit prematurely. Luthor, in particular, has also appeared a lot this season. I'm getting a bit tired of Joker, even though Wild Cards looks to be good fun. And not every major nemesis has to make return appearances - Blight from BB was killed off at the end of season 1.


No, Vandal Savage and Lex Luthor are far from complete with their individual character arc. I mean we still have a lot of info that can be explored on Vandal Savage and Lex Luthor just annouced he was interested in politics. If anything it's a given that these two charcters will appear again.

The Joker will probably make a cameo after what happened in "Wild Cards" I think he will be in the hospital for a while. And Solomon Grundy is well dead.

Eddie G.
12-28-2003, 10:35 PM
I see returning?
A.M.A.Z.O.
Luther
Savage
Killer Frost
Grodd

I see coming in?
Captain Atom
The Key
Chronos
Cyborg Superman (why the heck not?)
Ra's Al Ghul

David the Joker
12-28-2003, 10:52 PM
Lex Luthor- Now that he is running for politics he can stay behind the scenes and attack the league, maybe get another "Injustice Gang" or maybe this has been done too much. The scene of Luthor as president in "A Better World" would be interesting to show how different the League would face this challenge instead of the Lords. If Superman is the supposed leader of the League, then his greatest enemy Lex Luthor isnt too far away.

Dr. Destiny- If John Dee worked with LexCorp in the past, maybe Luthor would be interested to revive in to get Destiny to get more power to control the League, when they are all awake, instead of just sleeping.

Prof. Zoom- This would be a great villian of the Flash to show up. I always liked his costume. Maybe this time Zoom can be the leader of the Secret Society since it would be the reverse of the Flash, being the comical member of the JL. I dont want Zoom to be used as a second-rate villian, he is smart and be a true leader.

Ultra-Humanite- This character was Superman's first recurring foe, he does not get the credit he deserves. He should switch his brain into different bodies and trick the League, I want to see this guy with more of an evil streak, and prove that Superman's first foe will be remembered.

Solomon Grundy- He deffinally should return, but as a different side of Cyrus Gold's personality. This time I thik Grundy should be smart and cunning and less "Hulk" like, but if Bruce Timm and company want a big lackey creature, they know who to pick.

Other villians: Joker and Vandal Savage...could always make a cameo or two. If Batman is in the League he needs to fight someone with not too much extra-power and that's where his opposite of the Joker comes in. Savage is a interesting who could always try to rule the world again...and maybe that has something to do with the Atom to start his crime fighting career.

As for Ra's Al Ghul, if Timm and Company uses him, they should make it a giant episode, one that will change Batman's relationship with the League and will never be the same. Ra's should only be used once, because he's the type of villian, that should come to fight once and give all enough, instead of making him a Joker type of guy.

Eddie G.
12-28-2003, 11:02 PM
NOOOOO GRUNDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His death was wonderful, and him coming back to life demeans his sacrafice.

Karkull
12-28-2003, 11:05 PM
I'd like to see Zoom (or Reverse Flash, or whatever you wish to call him) make an appearance -- perhaps as a visitor from the future, as the first one was. Scarecrow would be nice, but Dr. Destiny kinda has the fear department cornered right now. And I'd really want to see The Zamarons appear -- I've been dying to see what Star Sapphire's story is!


I wouldn't mind seeing the 5th dimesional imp Mxyptzlk(sp?) appearing seeing as how he was really underused in S:TAS. In fact I am surprised he didn't appear this season especially considering all the Superman villians that did. And the league probably has some understanding of him since he was one of the target dummies that was seen in "Secret Society".

Funny thing about these interdimensional imps/magical sidekicks/enemies: each JL member has had one at some point. Imagine Mr. Mxyzptlk turning into Bat-Mite, or Zook, or even Qwsp (Aquaman's imp, from Aquaman #1, 1962)!

Crimson
12-28-2003, 11:23 PM
Villains that I would like to see return: Vandal Savage, Darkseid, Grodd, a newer version of the Injustice Gang/Secret Society but with much more raw power.

There aren't a lot of unexplored solo villains in the DC universe that could pose a credible threat to the League. Some of those that I think might, if handled correctly: Count Vertigo, Insect Queen, Neutron, Doctor Alchemy, Doctor Polaris, Chronos.

I have no interest in seeing Captain Marvel, but I would like to see two of his enemies: Black Adam and Sivana (not necessarily together.)

I'd love to see the The Crime Syndicate. Okay, we've seen the Justice Lords, which may be as close to the Syndicate as we're going to get, but I still long to see truly evil (as opposed to misguided and ruthless) counterparts to the League.

A consortium of Wonder Woman's rogues gallery would be great: Doctor Psycho, Silver Swan, Cheetah

Seeing Black Manta would be cool, but he would be totally out of his league. He would have to be part of a group, or a "little villain" in an episode, like Deadshot was in "The Enemy Below."

Nick K.
12-28-2003, 11:53 PM
Villains that I would like to see return: Vandal Savage, Darkseid, Grodd, a newer version of the Injustice Gang/Secret Society but with much more raw power.

There aren't a lot of unexplored solo villains in the DC universe that could pose a credible threat to the League. Some of those that I think might, if handled correctly: Count Vertigo, Insect Queen, Neutron, Doctor Alchemy, Doctor Polaris, Chronos.

I have no interest in seeing Captain Marvel, but I would like to see two of his enemies: Black Adam and Sivana (not necessarily together.)

I'd love to see the The Crime Syndicate. Okay, we've seen the Justice Lords, which may be as close to the Syndicate as we're going to get, but I still long to see truly evil (as opposed to misguided and ruthless) counterparts to the League.

A consortium of Wonder Woman's rogues gallery would be great: Doctor Psycho, Silver Swan, Cheetah

Seeing Black Manta would be cool, but he would be totally out of his league. He would have to be part of a group, or a "little villain" in an episode, like Deadshot was in "The Enemy Below."

Great Ideas Crimson.

I agree we should see the Crime Syndicate. Just imagine if we get like this 4th dimension on the show now, we could end up with a ground breaking dtv adaptation of Crisis on Infinite Earth.

Also, Crimson, could you tell me a little about Silver Swan? Thanks!

Thanos
12-29-2003, 12:17 AM
I believe that Ra's al Ghul should appear in Season 3 of Justice League. Traditionally, he's only a foe of Batman, but Tower of Babel showed that he is potentially one of the league's greatest threats. There is obviously a great demand for him as can be seen on previous posts. Luthor and Savage are givens. I also think that Solaris would be a great villian in some kind of toned down DC One Million. I'd also like to see an Emperor Joker storyline, which could be potentially very interesting.

GL2k2
12-29-2003, 12:24 AM
Crimson just brought up a lot of good villians, which harkens back to my point of the creative team really opening up the DC library and delving into good characters and plots. I don't want to hear from people that are ignorant about DCU that, well, there isn't much they can work with. Bull! DCU is older than the Marvel U and DCAU is ripe for creating new versions of these characters. I would like to see Insect Queen and Doctor Pyscho, definitely.

And she's right, we got cheated of our Crime Syndicate appearance. Albeit, the Justice Lords were cool, but the Crime Syndicate were a helluva lot more ruthless. Besides, we should see the classic villians that they are, and the JL has an advantage with them missing their Flash counterpart.

I wouldn't worry too much about alot of these villians. I think the creative team is going to give us some more Injustice Gang/Secret Society foes. So long as they continue The Shade tradition, we can call it the next incarnation. But the team and whoever's leader of the team, would have to really think up who would be able to defeat the Justice League at every point. One such muscle a lot of people have forgotten other than Solomon Grundy is. . . Bizarro.

Crimson
12-29-2003, 12:24 AM
Also, Crimson, could you tell me a little about Silver Swan? Thanks!Basically, she's one of Wonder Woman's more enduring arch-enemies. There have been at least 3 versions of her (1 pre-Crisis, 2 post-) but they all possessed the same powers: flight and a sonic scream. So she's a bit like Hawkgirl mixed with Black Canary.

Info on Silver Swan I (post-Crisis) (http://www.aric-dacia.com/silverswan1.htm)

Info on Silver Swan II (post-Crisis) (http://www.aric-dacia.com/silverswan.htm)

Crimson
12-29-2003, 12:26 AM
And she's right, we got cheated of our Crime Syndicate appearance. **Ahem**

I'm a boy :p

GL2k2
12-29-2003, 12:28 AM
**Ahem**

I'm a boy :p

It's the fetching icon/avatar that gets me everytime.

Eddie G.
12-29-2003, 12:33 AM
And she's right, we got cheated of our Crime Syndicate appearance. Albeit, the Justice Lords were cool, but the Crime Syndicate were a helluva lot more ruthless. Besides, we should see the classic villians that they are, and the JL has an advantage with them missing their Flash counterpart.

Too true, we also got cheated out of the JSA and the character who were represented as members of the JGA.

Knight
12-29-2003, 12:17 PM
Crimson
And she's right, we got cheated of our Crime Syndicate appearance. Albeit, the Justice Lords were cool, but the Crime Syndicate were a helluva lot more ruthless. Besides, we should see the classic villians that they are, and the JL has an advantage with them missing their Flash counterpart.


I don't think we were cheated because The Justice Lords were extremist in attaining their means, The Crime Syndicate were "criminals" period. They weren't trying to make the world a better place they wanted only to conquer and cause disorder. So I think its still possible to see them.

All-Star 1.5
12-29-2003, 01:09 PM
If I am not mistaken then Dr. Polaris can't appear on JL because his rights are tied up with TT and thus can't appear unless both creative teams wish for him to appear. Though I could be wrong.

The Detective
12-29-2003, 01:39 PM
Well, don't forget that whole sucked-into-a-black-hole problem.
When has that every stopped a villian in a comic story? It would be easy to say that they just got tunneled to another part of the galaxy or on the Create your own S3 thread someone suggested an excellent idea that they got sent to the Anti Matter Of Qward. Just brimming with possibilites.

Crimson
12-29-2003, 01:42 PM
If I am not mistaken then Dr. Polaris can't appear on JL because his rights are tied up with TT and thus can't appear unless both creative teams wish for him to appear. That's most likely true, but since this thread is pure wishing, I included him -- I think Captain Marvel and (most likely) his villains are also tied up and thus unavailable, but I'd still like to see them as well.

For that matter, I would love to see the League against the Fearsome Five -- the "real" ones. TT has done an unspeakably bad job of handling those characters.

The Detective
12-29-2003, 01:50 PM
NOOOOO GRUNDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His death was wonderful, and him coming back to life demeans his sacrafice.
I kind of have to agree with you. But if the team just wants raw, brainless muscle I thin Bizaro would be as good a choice as any.

All-Star 1.5
12-29-2003, 01:57 PM
That's most likely true, but since this thread is pure wishing, I included him -- I think Captain Marvel and (most likely) his villains are also tied up and thus unavailable, but I'd still like to see them as well.

For that matter, I would love to see the League against the Fearsome Five -- the "real" ones. TT has done an unspeakably bad job of handling those characters.


Yeah, if I am not mistaken his rights are tied up in that New Line movie.

To be fair we haven't really seen the Fearsome Five on TT.

Karkull
12-29-2003, 02:25 PM
Personally, I've really wanted to see a Grundy/Bizarro team-up. Imagine that dense interchange of philosophy, :D.

I think that the Fearsome Five is out, but what about the Fatal Five? You know, the Legion of Superheroes bad guys? Scroll down to read about them here (http://www.legiononline.net/volume1/bios2.html).

Fernus
12-29-2003, 02:31 PM
I like the idea of Bizarro coming. My story plan was there to be a whole League of Bizarro's created (failed clones of the other six members), and Bizarro try to team them up in a League, much like Superman did with his.

warmachine04
12-29-2003, 02:58 PM
They better bring back Lex Luthor, Vandal Savage, Dr Destiny, Gorilla Grodd and the Secret Society. :)

Yojimbo
12-29-2003, 03:04 PM
Morgaine Le Fey
Grodd
Orm/Ocean Master-ppl dont die in pitfalls anymore.
Black Manta
Luthor-Suicide Squad-I can see this being the next step if he's pres.
Ares-need to see some major WW villians
Circe
Chronos
Ra's al Ghul-Best be in this season!!
Dr. Destiny-revenge plus meets WW, maybe even reveals her 'origin' somehow
Killer Frost-it seems like ages since we've seen a purely homicidal maniac

Green-Ghost
12-29-2003, 03:14 PM
POISON IVY - I would love to see her and I also remember (like Karkull says before) that the writers has some Ivy episodes but Dini don't want to do them in the first seasons. So hopefully we get an Ivy featuring episode in season 3.

Knight
12-29-2003, 04:15 PM
No offense but I dont see Ivy by herself challenging the whole League. She would have to be teamed with a group of individuals to stand a chance.

EmaHalJordan
12-29-2003, 04:26 PM
05-Chronos
04-Captain Could
03-Blackmanta
02-Psicopirata
01-Parallax HAL JORDAN

Fernus
12-29-2003, 04:46 PM
Why would we need to bring in Hal Jordan, go through his tale, turn him into Parallex, when he's not even on the team. If you want that, let's just turn J'onn into Fernus. Same difference.

Not an enemy, but again, I want to see Hal as the Spectre more than GL or Par.

The Detective
12-29-2003, 05:10 PM
Killer Frost-it seems like ages since we've seen a purely homicidal maniac
You mean since the last time Joker appeared? :p

Platinum V
12-29-2003, 06:03 PM
Please...no more luthor for a while. Please.

Definitly Ares.

EmaHalJordan
12-29-2003, 06:27 PM
In comics Hal is back like Green Lantern in 2004 ;)

Hal Spectre... no more :yawn:

HAL JORDAN IS GREEN LANTERN :D
Hal is great heroe in the new crisis :D

Fernus
12-29-2003, 06:41 PM
In comics Hal is back like Green Lantern in 2004 ;)

Hal Spectre... no more :yawn:

HAL JORDAN IS GREEN LANTERN :D
Hal is great heroe in the new crisis :D
Still so, Hal Jordan is not on the Justice League team. Transforming him to Parallex would be kind of pointless, since he's never been on their team, and, by all knowledge, hasn't met any of them.

All-Star 1.5
12-29-2003, 06:44 PM
In comics Hal is back like Green Lantern in 2004 ;)

Hal Spectre... no more :yawn:

HAL JORDAN IS GREEN LANTERN :D
Hal is great heroe in the new crisis :D


Is this confirmed??? If so then how???

Karkull
12-29-2003, 06:49 PM
Check out this thread (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=1087218#post1087218), where I speculate the possibility of Monarch being a potential Season Three villain.

GL2k2
12-29-2003, 09:30 PM
If I am not mistaken then Dr. Polaris can't appear on JL because his rights are tied up with TT and thus can't appear unless both creative teams wish for him to appear. Though I could be wrong.

This was brought up in the last thread, but the guy who appeared in Teen Titans is not Dr. Polaris, it was Dr. Light. They are both so similar that it gets confused. One of them however is a Green Lantern villian and the other is an all-around DCU baddie. Take a guess at which is which or go to the the S3 rumor thread and find out.

All-Star 1.5
12-29-2003, 09:43 PM
This was brought up in the last thread, but the guy who appeared in Teen Titans is not Dr. Polaris, it was Dr. Light. They are both so similar that it gets confused. One of them however is a Green Lantern villian and the other is an all-around DCU baddie. Take a guess at which is which or go to the the S3 rumor thread and find out.


Yeah, but have you ever thought that the series may have the rights to both Dr.Light and Dr.Polaris. In case I am not mistaken(which I probably am) they never said that Dr.Polaris was appearing in TT in the first season. Yeah, I know them apart earlier today I was looking them up.

GL2k2
12-29-2003, 09:56 PM
Yeah, but have you ever thought that the series may have the rights to both Dr.Light and Dr.Polaris. In case I am not mistaken(which I probably am) they never said that Dr.Polaris was appearing in TT in the first season. Yeah, I know them apart earlier today I was looking them up.

No since in one show using two similar villians, especially since they used one as a throwaway. Besides, Teen Titans is a kids show and it would cause confusion to have both of them on there. TT has a rich rogues gallery as well, but it seems JL may pull out two to three more seasons before running out and recycling villians.

FALLEN ELDOR
12-29-2003, 10:44 PM
Personally, I've really wanted to see a Grundy/Bizarro team-up. Imagine that dense interchange of philosophy, :D.

I think that the Fearsome Five is out, but what about the Fatal Five? You know, the Legion of Superheroes bad guys? Scroll down to read about them here (http://www.legiononline.net/volume1/bios2.html).

ohmygod Nardo? :lol: I would love to see the time trapper, vandle and the legion kids!



I like the idea of Bizarro coming. My story plan was there to be a whole League of Bizarro's created (failed clones of the other six members), and Bizarro try to team them up in a League, much like Superman did with his.

that would be incredibly cool, they could even capture the real justice league for crimes they committed unknowingly when they where still normal clones (like how bizzarro thought he really was superman)


Yeah, if I am not mistaken his rights are tied up in that New Line movie.

To be fair we haven't really seen the Fearsome Five on TT.

Ok, showing my TT ignorance (probably the only reason i can watch the show heh) but who are the fearsome five? *dodges tomatoes


If I am not mistaken then Dr. Polaris can't appear on JL because his rights are tied up with TT and thus can't appear unless both creative teams wish for him to appear. Though I could be wrong.

God I hope not, Polaris is to much a power house top waist on the titans IMO. I love the titans but they are better off against deathstroke and plasmus level characters. I was a little bugged the used Dr. light in such a throwaway manner, I liked his new incarnation from Final Night.


I don't think we were cheated because The Justice Lords were extremist in attaining their means, The Crime Syndicate were "criminals" period. They weren't trying to make the world a better place they wanted only to conquer and cause disorder. So I think its still possible to see them.

I agree, I though of the Lords as more an Authority clone, then Syndicate clones.


Too true, we also got cheated out of the JSA and the character who were represented as members of the JGA.

I still hold out hope we will see the other costumed heroes that the nazi guy reported to vandal ;)


I'd like to see Zoom (or Reverse Flash, or whatever you wish to call him) make an appearance -- perhaps as a visitor from the future, as the first one was. Scarecrow would be nice, but Dr. Destiny kinda has the fear department cornered right now. And I'd really want to see The Zamarons appear -- I've been dying to see what Star Sapphire's story is!



Funny thing about these interdimensional imps/magical sidekicks/enemies: each JL member has had one at some point. Imagine Mr. Mxyzptlk turning into Bat-Mite, or Zook, or even Qwsp (Aquaman's imp, from Aquaman #1, 1962)!

I would love to see a little more campy humor, especially after a really dramatic one, Mxy could try and make his own league now that would be funny!




I agree we should see the Crime Syndicate. Just imagine if we get like this 4th dimension on the show now, we could end up with a ground breaking dtv adaptation of Crisis on Infinite Earth.
QUOTE]

A crisis yes, the crisis no, i like my multiverse as it is :)

[QUOTE=GL2k2]One such muscle a lot of people have forgotten other than Solomon Grundy is. . . Bizarro.


I agree, a new revenge squad with Bizzarro, Jax-Ur and Mala, Metalo and Mxy! Screw toy man and weather wizard, hell weather wizard is a flash villian, what was up with that :shrug:


Black Manta in an Aquaman Episode!

He is a classic villain who's only chance to be explored may be tgis show, unless we get an Aquaman Animated Series!

Circe would be a great villain for a WW centered ep and if The Flash provided some hilarious commentary on, how much he is in love with this seductress... Well now...

More Original Villains!

Tsukuri and Vox were some really good inventions so I wanna see some new ones now!

Is Circe really any different in power then Morgan? I hate redundant characters like killer frost and captain cold! I would love to see a whole ocean episode with aqualad, mera and orm back as the ocean master teamed up with black manta


Ras would be nice but he's no Vandal Savage who is a true immortal. Ras is a wannabe who takes a lazrus bath from time to time but can still be killed if you put a bullet to him. Vandal on the other side cant be killed. So if the two were ever to war Vandal would certainly outlast him.

ah, but what if ra's found a way to steal vandel's imortality? :D
Perhaps Vandel could fall in love with Talia, and we get to see a jelous streat in bats, perhaps even hurt WW's fealing s a little in the prossess.




Well, don't forget that whole sucked-into-a-black-hole problem.

that black hole could lead to anywhere...


05-Chronos
04-Captain Could
03-Blackmanta
02-Psicopirata
01-Parallax HAL JORDAN

How could you have the emotional struggle of a parallax story without a good history with Hal? The only reason the later Parallax and specter stuff works is because you already know the things Hal's has gone through. No, Hal as a GL or retired GL, or no Hal at al, at least for me.



In comics Hal is back like Green Lantern in 2004 ;)

Hal Spectre... no more :yawn:

HAL JORDAN IS GREEN LANTERN :D
Hal is great heroe in the new crisis :D

I keep hearing that rumor, but the only DC book I read is GA, if H;a redeemed him self, I would definitely start picking up GL again! So is this just a rumor if not point me to a news source please.

randomguy
12-29-2003, 11:37 PM
No Hal, for the love of God. Parallax only works with all of Hal's history. Hal as a GL would be redundant. Hal as the Spectre only works with the knowledge that he was once Parallax and has been redeemed... I'm all for the Spectre, but he should be Jim Corrigan, as he was up until the late 90's. That version of the character is more compelling anyway, because he was just an ordinary guy handpicked by God. He was never a demigod like Hal.

Back on topic... am I the only one who DOESN'T want Luthor to run for President? I think it's a silly idea, it never went anywhere in the comics, and I think it gives the American people no credit whatsoever. I think everybody is making too big a deal out of Lex's ONE comment at the end of "A Better World". For all we know, the writers intended it to be nothing more than a sly wink to the comics fans. That's how I took it. The President Lex storyline has been dumb in the mainline DCU, so I don't see why it should be repeated. Lex was a huge player in Season 2, so I'd like to see less of him in Season 3.

I, personally, would love to see a good Doomsday story, but I took his small appearance in "A Better World" as the creative team's way of saying "Okay, we gave you Doomsday, so stop asking us for him." I always got the feeling that Bruce Timm wasn't too hot on Doomsday (he was pretty adamant about Doomsday not being in STAS), so that character might be relegated to cameos. Still, I think some cool stuff could be done with Doomsday's Kryptonian heritage.

I'm all for Vandal, but if they're going to use him, they need to make him a bit more interesting. Vandal has a kind of mystique in the comics that you don't have in the DCAU. He's a very generic James Bond kind of villian. He just needs some personality. Ra's Al Ghul is a must, sooner or later. I can wait.

A whole lot could be done with Malefic. I don't think it would be difficult at all to retool his origin to sync up with "Secret Origins" - perhaps he summoned the invaders, or destroyed the Martian defense equipment moments before they needed it. Something like that.

Mxy would be great. I think it'd be nice to see Ares, possibly with Aresia, who I've missed this season. On that note, I think it'd be nice to see a couple more original villians... and maybe an episode without a traditional villian at all (like Paul Dini's own "Liberty And Justice", recently released).

Of all the villians out there, though, I want Starro the Conqueror more than anything else. That is THE quintessential Justice League villian. I know there are continuity problems with Batman Beyond, but... well, we've got to be able to make it work somehow.

All-Star 1.5
12-30-2003, 12:00 AM
No since in one show using two similar villians, especially since they used one as a throwaway. Besides, Teen Titans is a kids show and it would cause confusion to have both of them on there. TT has a rich rogues gallery as well, but it seems JL may pull out two to three more seasons before running out and recycling villians.

Yeah, but the two characters aren't similar. I mean they were different costumes and have different powere one controls light and the other controls magnetism.

Actually, I think that JL has a good chance of going another 2 seasons without running out of villiains. I mean if you factor in returning villiains, each of the main charcters rouges gallery and the creative team's knack for creating orginal villains then I don't think JL will miss one villain.




Back on topic... am I the only one who DOESN'T want Luthor to run for President? I think it's a silly idea, it never went anywhere in the comics, and I think it gives the American people no credit whatsoever. I think everybody is making too big a deal out of Lex's ONE comment at the end of "A Better World". For all we know, the writers intended it to be nothing more than a sly wink to the comics fans. That's how I took it. The President Lex storyline has been dumb in the mainline DCU, so I don't see why it should be repeated. Lex was a huge player in Season 2, so I'd like to see less of him in Season 3.

Personally, I don't think he will become The President as much as he will gain a strong political following. I'm sure he will still dabble in buisness seeing as how he still owns Lexcorp and all, but I expect to become an ambassoder(sp?) to the world. Yet, at the same time still having his own agenda and a grand scheme of things plan.

Alex Weitzman
12-30-2003, 12:13 AM
When has that every stopped a villian in a comic story? It would be easy to say that they just got tunneled to another part of the galaxy or on the Create your own S3 thread someone suggested an excellent idea that they got sent to the Anti Matter Of Qward. Just brimming with possibilites.


that black hole could lead to anywhere...

Uh, I don't mean to be a science nitpicker or anything, but black holes are sources of incredible gravity. That's why no one knows where they lead to; anything that gets sucked in will be quite literally squished to death. The ending of Absolute Power implied that Jax-Ur and Mala were experiencing that kind of fatal effect.

On that note, maybe we should send Plastic Man through a black hole and he can tell us what's on the other side.

FALLEN ELDOR
12-30-2003, 01:05 AM
Uh, I don't mean to be a science nitpicker or anything, but black holes are sources of incredible gravity. That's why no one knows where they lead to; anything that gets sucked in will be quite literally squished to death. The ending of Absolute Power implied that Jax-Ur and Mala were experiencing that kind of fatal effect.

On that note, maybe we should send Plastic Man through a black hole and he can tell us what's on the other side.

it's a cartoon, at that a cartoon based on a comic, we all know comic book/cartoon black holes are doorways to other dementions/times/space :p

The Detective
12-30-2003, 01:00 PM
Uh, I don't mean to be a science nitpicker or anything, but black holes are sources of incredible gravity. That's why no one knows where they lead to; anything that gets sucked in will be quite literally squished to death. The ending of Absolute Power implied that Jax-Ur and Mala were experiencing that kind of fatal effect.

On that note, maybe we should send Plastic Man through a black hole and he can tell us what's on the other side.
Oh come on, it's a common sci fi staple that black holes are tunnels of warped space that lead to other places. Just watch any random episdoe of Star Trek. :p

PeterFries
12-30-2003, 01:10 PM
I'd like to see a Justice League story that doesn't have a villain, something like the Paul Dini/Alex Ross large format comics, with the League facing a disaster or crisis that can't just be punched out and driven off in a paddy wagon. There's been a bit of that here and there, but basically I just want to see more League interaction with regular people in their world.

Alex Weitzman
12-30-2003, 03:46 PM
Oh come on, it's a common sci fi staple that black holes are tunnels of warped space that lead to other places. Just watch any random episdoe of Star Trek. :p

I rest my case. :D

The Detective
12-30-2003, 04:11 PM
Back on topic... am I the only one who DOESN'T want Luthor to run for President? I think it's a silly idea, it never went anywhere in the comics, and I think it gives the American people no credit whatsoever. I think everybody is making too big a deal out of Lex's ONE comment at the end of "A Better World". For all we know, the writers intended it to be nothing more than a sly wink to the comics fans. That's how I took it. The President Lex storyline has been dumb in the mainline DCU, so I don't see why it should be repeated. Lex was a huge player in Season 2, so I'd like to see less of him in Season 3.
Just because it was dumb in the comics (I'm just going to concede that for aguement) doesn't mean it wouldn't or couldn't work in the animated world. Before "Hear of Ice" Mr. Freeze was a laughing stock with a gimmick. That episode turned him into a tragic fan favourite.


A whole lot could be done with Malefic. I don't think it would be difficult at all to retool his origin to sync up with "Secret Origins" - perhaps he summoned the invaders, or destroyed the Martian defense equipment moments before they needed it. Something like that.
I agree with you there. In the comics he created the virus that killed all the martians, it would be easy to work that into the "Secret Origins." On top of what you said other possibilities include that in exchange for his life he told the locations of some of the key resistance areas etc. Another more radical idea would be that he killed the Imperium but is now impersonating him.


Of all the villians out there, though, I want Starro the Conqueror more than anything else. That is THE quintessential Justice League villian. I know there are continuity problems with Batman Beyond, but... well, we've got to be able to make it work somehow.
It wouldn't be hard at all. Think about, in the current JL the only member also present in the JLU was Superman and he was the one being controlled. True there was Bruce but that wouldn't be much of a deal.


Why would we need to bring in Hal Jordan, go through his tale, turn him into Parallex, when he's not even on the team. If you want that, let's just turn J'onn into Fernus. Same difference.
Zero Hour came a good ten years before, "Trial by Fire" is nothing but a big rip off!

NOTE: I personally have no desire to see Hal Jordon appear just for the sake of turning into Parralax, I would prefer "Trial by Fire." I just couldn't resist making that jab. :D I'm a bad boy. ;)

Fernus
12-30-2003, 04:13 PM
Zero Hour came a good ten years before, "Trial by Fire" is nothing but a big rip off!

NOTE: I personally have no desire to see Hal Jordon appear just for the sake of turning into Parralax, I would prefer "Trial by Fire." I just couldn't resist making that jab. :D I'm a bad boy. ;)
I was waiting for someone to notice that. What can I say, I'm a hypocrite. http://forums.toonzone.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

All-Star 1.5
12-31-2003, 02:48 AM
Funny thing about these interdimensional imps/magical sidekicks/enemies: each JL member has had one at some point. Imagine Mr. Mxyzptlk turning into Bat-Mite, or Zook, or even Qwsp (Aquaman's imp, from Aquaman #1, 1962)!


I'm didn't know that GL,Flash, Wonder Woman, and Hawkgirl had their own interdimensional imps/magical sidekicks/enemies; who are they???

Anyway, if they do use Mr. Mxyzptlk I wouldn't mind if they adapted "Superman: Arkham" and "Emperor Joker" from the comics but instead of The Joker use someone else; maybe even World's Finest #6 but instead of just Mxyzptlk and Bat-Mite arguing over which hero is better add other imps for the other heros in the JL; maybe even in "Superman & Batman: World's Funniset" but insted of just Bat-Mite and Mxyzptlk add other heros for the other leaguers; Or since the creative team likes Grant Morrison so much they could adapt "Crisis Times Five", yeah it doesn't feature Mxy but it still features the 5th dimesion.


To find out about all those Mxyzptlk apperances go here http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/comics.php?topic=special-reports/mxyzptlk

Cyber E.
12-31-2003, 01:22 PM
I would love to see the Emperor Joker storyline adapted into the show. But if they did do it, it has got to be Joker. The guiding force of that story is what a psycho does when he has the power of a God. It would be good, but not as interesting if done with anyone else but Joker.

Yojimbo
12-31-2003, 03:40 PM
Joker and Luthor need to be ignored for this season. The only Bat villian that I'd like seen returned is Ra's. Other than that the team should focus on returning some S1 villians like Morgaine but mostly intro new ones like Black Manta and Chronos.

Thanos
01-01-2004, 02:24 AM
Well it seems like this Emperor Joker idea is getting some positive recognition. I posted it way back on page 2, but I guess no one noticed. Anyway, I hope that it does get adapted because its one hell of a story.

Doomsday
01-01-2004, 03:13 AM
Joker and Luthor need to be ignored for this season. The only Bat villian that I'd like seen returned is Ra's. Other than that the team should focus on returning some S1 villians like Morgaine but mostly intro new ones like Black Manta and Chronos.

What are you talking about. I think the oppsite for both caracters. With Luthor maybe have some small things telling whats happen with him and getting elected and with the Joker, I want to see at least 2 episodes this season, maybe more. I say this because he soon has to die so BB can still take place. If we don't get him now we will never see him again and we don't want that. I want to see Ra but maybe they should wait until season 4, if theres going to be a season 4, for him. Or wait to have him in a movie. And I really want to see mostly new villians next season. I love this season new villians, Dr. Denstiny for an example. But whatever happens I'm sure S3 is going to be awesome.

Fernus
01-01-2004, 04:22 AM
What are you talking about. I think the oppsite for both caracters. With Luthor maybe have some small things telling whats happen with him and getting elected and with the Joker, I want to see at least 2 episodes this season, maybe more. I say this because he soon has to die so BB can still take place. If we don't get him now we will never see him again and we don't want that. I want to see Ra but maybe they should wait until season 4, if theres going to be a season 4, for him. Or wait to have him in a movie. And I really want to see mostly new villians next season. I love this season new villians, Dr. Denstiny for an example. But whatever happens I'm sure S3 is going to be awesome.
Who's to say Joker IS going to die. For what's been stated for hundreds of times, Batman Beyond is not a definate future. He doesn't have to show up at all next season.

Green-Ghost
01-01-2004, 07:15 AM
No offense but I dont see Ivy by herself challenging the whole League. She would have to be teamed with a group of individuals to stand a chance.

I think Poison Ivy could handle the League.
(For example she could manipulate the male members and fight the others with plant creatures or something like this.)

And it looks like the writers think that too because they talked about Poison Ivy episodes and not Ivy in a team episodes.

Knight
01-01-2004, 03:39 PM
I think Poison Ivy could handle the League.
(For example she could manipulate the male members and fight the others with plant creatures or something like this.)

And it looks like the writers think that too because they talked about Poison Ivy episodes and not Ivy in a team episodes.

I still dont see Posion Ivy having the motivation to take on the whole League by herself its not her method of operation. I cant see a hour being geared towards her. Shes influenced more by money than anything else. But I guess its possible. Personally I dont want to see a Poson Ivy episode of JL lets get some real challanges in there.

amygdala
01-01-2004, 03:58 PM
with captain atom appearring next season, major force would be a good villain to have in the episode. they are both visually interesting and their origins could be explained in one fell swoop.

black adam without captain marvel isn't as appealling and thus less likely to happen.

aside from grodd, flash's rogues gallery is kind of weak. the only way i can see it working is if they gang up against flash and the league has to save his butt. captain boomerang, mirror master and professor zoom, along with some others would be more of a challenge as a group.

if professor zoom is written into an episode, it might be interesting to bring in the other flashes from different time periods. it would be visually interesting to see the different costumes and to have a flash-centric episodes with different speedsters using their power. as has been noted before, it's hard to write for the flash because his powers are at time too overwhelming. as an example, he ran about 40 mph in "the brave and the bold" yet was running several hundred mph in "wildcards."

i can't think of anyone but killer frost in firestorm's rogues gallery whom i'd want to see. ditto for hawk and dove and the atom. unless they bring back the evil opposite of hawk and dove which i cant remember their/its name. it was the one written by the kesels when they were on the comic.

randomguy
01-01-2004, 04:03 PM
I still dont see Posion Ivy having the motivation to take on the whole League by herself its not her method of operation. I cant see a hour being geared towards her. Shes influenced more by money than anything else. But I guess its possible. Personally I dont want to see a Poson Ivy episode of JL lets get some real challanges in there.

Well... you could make it like "Hush", in which Ivy used her toxins to control several DCU characters, including (most notably) Superman. Maybe you could have Ivy take control of all but one League member, or (since that's a little too reminscent of "Eclipsed") you could have her take control of non-League heroes (Metamorpho, Dr. Fate, Aquaman, Supergirl, Nightwing, Batgirl, etc.).

Green-Ghost
01-01-2004, 05:14 PM
I still dont see Posion Ivy having the motivation to take on the whole League by herself its not her method of operation. I cant see a hour being geared towards her. Shes influenced more by money than anything else. But I guess its possible. Personally I dont want to see a Poson Ivy episode of JL lets get some real challanges in there.

You are right with the money thing. I think this is really sad :sad:
Because I like Ivy better in her role as protector of plantlife and the nature and not only drove by money. In most of the episodes of Batman TAS/TNBA and the comic books the writers ignore this. I would love to see her more in this role. In her first episode "Pretty Poison" she has this motivation because they destroy an area with rare roses. And then she became Poison Ivy.

We have to wait and see if they are doing an Ivy episode and how they handle her.
But maybe they make an episode which can even entertain you :anime:

Green-Ghost
01-01-2004, 05:19 PM
Well... you could make it like "Hush", in which Ivy used her toxins to control several DCU characters, including (most notably) Superman. Maybe you could have Ivy take control of all but one League member, or (since that's a little too reminscent of "Eclipsed") you could have her take control of non-League heroes (Metamorpho, Dr. Fate, Aquaman, Supergirl, Nightwing, Batgirl, etc.).

Yeah thats right.

She already send an manipulated Aquaman against the League in Justice League Adventures #14.

Knight
01-01-2004, 05:32 PM
You are right with the money thing. I think this is really sad :sad:
Because I like Ivy better in her role as protector of plantlife and the nature and not only drove by money. In most of the episodes of Batman TAS/TNBA and the comic books the writers ignore this. I would love to see her more in this role. In her first episode "Pretty Poison" she has this motivation because they destroy an area with rare roses. And then she became Poison Ivy.

We have to wait and see if they are doing an Ivy episode and how they handle her.
But maybe they make an episode which can even entertain you :anime:

Hey if its good I cant argue with it. The team behind the show did a good job this season so im sure they will continue.

Yojimbo
01-01-2004, 10:47 PM
Okay, Doomsday. Maybe I'd settle for Luthor showing up cameo wise. With Atom supposedly showing up, the Suicide Squad might too. Luthor could be the political power controlling them or something. Other than that, Joker needs a rest. As for BB continuity, I'd like to see something like that if Dini were involved, but wouldn't that only cause Bats to slowly withdraw from the League? I expect timeline wise for it to happen pretty soon though.
Since the watchtower is going to crash and burn in Starcrossed, that could possibly mean the construction of that citadel in Metropolis seen in BB's The Call I wouldn't mind Dr. Destiny to return either, he never got a crack at WW yet, and who knows if its well written, then WW's nightmares might be glimpses into her past/pre-JL days on the island when she was born/created.