Which would youse folks rather haves.

[Killtacular]

Okay, so Adult Swim is now shortening the credits on their anime. I'm convinced that it's due to Clone Wars on Toonami sucking away advertising time, but other people seem baffled at that concept.

So in the event that Adult Swim isn't just doing this for the sponsors, or to mess with our heads (no more full Real Folk Blues, sob), which would you rather have:

1) NO OP, FULL ED, EYECATCHERS, & PREVIEW (Inuyasha)

2) FULL OP, SHORTENED ED, NO PREVIEW, NO(?) EYECATCHERS (Big O, Cowboy Bebop, Reign)

3) SHORTENED OP, SHORTENED ED, PREVIEW, NO EYECATCHERS


I meant to put a poll in here. BUT I DIDN'T. Because I'm too cool for that.

[SSJPabs]

1) NO OP, FULL ED, EYECATCHERS, & PREVIEW

2) FULL OP, SHORTENED ED, PREVIEW, NO EYECATCHERS

3) SHORTENED OP, SHORTENED ED, PREVIEW, NO EYECATCHERS

I'd want Full OP, Full ED no preview, no eyecatchers.

Of your options it would depend on the series. Big-O's ending is cheap compared to its beginning, Trigun's music just tends to be bad all around. I'd really have to go show by show.

Ah... a no-answer answer.

[Allen's Nickname.]

Option 2, please.

[Meson]

2) FULL OP, SHORTENED ED, NO PREVIEW, NO EYECATCHERS


We don't need eyecatches nor previews.

[William C. Maune]

I would pick option 3. It keeps part of the opening and ending and it keeps the preview which I think is more important than either the opening or ending because it changes every day.

As for the reason behind this, I wouldn't blame "Clone Wars on Toonami" specifically. Clone Wars was already sucking away commercial time before it was on Toonami. Plus, I believe Toonami has been showing less interstitials (sp?) than usual during this week and last.

[Captain Harlock]

Yeah, I think that's a big number two.

[Beat]

First, I'd like to say that this sucks. :(

Second, Option 2.

[ohmrbill]

Option 2, for the most part.

There are some shows that I like the ED better than the OP (.hack//SIGN for example), so I would prefer option 1 for those.

But if that's not allowed to vary, then definitely option 2.

[Neo-Era]

Option 2 in any and all cases. There aren't many shows with eyecatches worth seeing (only Excel Saga comes to mind right now) and you don't need to see a preview for something that'll air the next day anyway. For my taste, the openings do help set the tone for the series.

[William C. Maune]

Some shows have really good previews though, like Cowboy Bebop. Plus, I'd rather see a preview which is at least different every day instead of the same opening and/or ending every day.

[bassist]

On a more serious note: Why not just scrap anime altogether? No one watches it anyway.

[ohmrbill]

On a more serious note: Why not just scrap anime altogether? No one watches it anyway.

Shhhhhhh! They'll hear you.

[Tapout]

For most shows I don't care. I can do without the ending for Bebop, but the previews are always good. And I will start my own personal riot if they F with Tank! That is all.

[The Landstander]

I added a poll.

Personally, I have no opinion on it. =|

[ToonamiFanatic]

I want a full op and ED and no speeding up the credits. I dont like what they are doing to Big O's end credits
I really like big o's Ending song. I wish they would play Blue genders opening song I dont see why they couldnt show it unless for the blood content or something.

[Animation Otaku]

I went with 1. Full Ending, Preview, and Eyecatcher(not sure why you put Inuyasha in there when the eyecatchers don't air).

[Killtacular]

They showed at one point. It was Viz' decision to remove them, not CN.

[Jaguar]

Option 2. I've gone so long without eyecatchers, I didn't even think about them until I started watching Weiss Kreuz and Nadesico again.

[Jimmy Kustes]

Trigun
Full OP. Eyecatches. Shortened ED. Preview

FLCL, Lupin, Big O, and Cowboy Bebop
Everything.

Inu-Yasha
Shortened OP. No Preview. Full ED. Eyecatches.
Previews for Inu-Yasha spoil so much.

[Amano Ginji]

Unrealistically: Full OP,ED, and previews. I don't really care about Eyecatches.

Of those choices, I'd have to go with 2.

[Rikou]

I don't think we need eyecatchers or previews, either. The only exception to this is Inu Yasha... I watch the previews so I don't have to waste time watching boring filler episodes.

[True Noir]

I'd rather see the opening with less edits. I really don't care if we see a preview or not

[Tienshin]

Aw crap. I meant to vote for option 1 but hit 2 instead.

[Anime Guy]

First, I'd like to say that this sucks.
I agree, I wish there was an option about having the full OP (even though Bebop's is technically edited for time), the full ED, eyecatches, and previews.

But, I'll go with option 2.

[Parallax]

Option 2, please.

[herbkir]

Among the choices, I'd go with #1. For one thing, the last episode almost always has a special ending that touches on important story points. And the endings do provide more information regarding acting and production credits.

They could alternate openings and endings, or show the openings in full on the first episode of the week and then just the endings. Or they could do a special every once in a while, with the anime openings we'd otherwise never see, together with interviews on why particular anime got selected. (^_*)

[Chad Bonin]

Option one. Download the intros, get the eyecathers and previews and less-likely-to-download endings.

Unless an intro changes with every few episodes, like in Gransazer's case (don't know if any AS shows do)...

[Aurochs]

There's no "full OP, full ED, preview, eyecatcher, and no commercials" option.

But seriously, with Cowboy Bebop I'd almost rather see the eyecatchers, the full ED, and the preview that the OP. The OP's sweet, but I've heard it a million times, and the others are more important to the show than one would think.

[Anime Guy]

But seriously, with Cowboy Bebop I'd almost rather see the eyecatchers, the full ED, and the preview that the OP. The OP's sweet, but I've heard it a million times, and the others are more important to the show than one would think.
They should play the longer version of the OP.

[Sheamon]

I'll go with option 1, axe the opening for the sake of the ending, preview and eyecatch. I'd rather have one untouched then all the different parts chopped up.

[DianaGohan]

I kinda wish they would skip between showing the opening theme and showing the closing theme personally if that was a choice.

[ClockStomper]

I agree with Diana, I'd want it to alternate if it could be done. I miss Real Folk Blue's full TV version cut.

Big O's case is a shame, since they always repeat the credits for Eyewitness.


On a more serious note: Why not just scrap anime altogether? No one watches it anyway.

I think you mean Home Movies. Even Lupin got more than a week of airings post Family Guy. ;)

[The Landstander]

I think you mean Home Movies. Even Lupin got more than a week of airings post Family Guy. ;)...

...

HM got two weeks. :mad:

[Aurochs]

You hit a nerve.

[Anime Guy]

I miss Real Folk Blue's full TV version cut.
As do I. You'd think that since Bebop was their first anime, that they would leave it alone. I just hope they play the entire ED with episode 13 and 26. "Space Lion" and "Blue" are some of my favorite Bebop songs.


Big O's case is a shame, since they always repeat the credits for Eyewitness.
Lazy bastards.

[Catlover]

They could...

1) Get rid of the cards

2) No eyecatchers, no preview, Full Opening and ending

Anyway, I voted for 1, since Bebops ending is crucial to the plot.

[The Drizzle]

Bebops ending is crucial to the plot.

.....

The ending credits?

[Rikou]

.....

The ending credits?

Yes. The neverending shot of the sky is very symbolic, if not completely useless after you've seen it once.

(Honestly, I know why it's there. It's just... "Hey look, blue. Pretty blue. Pretty sky blue. Show over yet? More blue." I can honestly say I've never actually watched the full ED for that episode... sorta anti-climatic. )

[Catlover]

.....

The ending credits?

Maybe I'm looking into it to much, but...


"Sitting in muddy water is okay, if it ends after the first time." That part of the song is a clue to how Spike was "brought back to life".

Like I said, I'm probably exagerating. :sweat:

[bassist]

I think you mean Home Movies. Even Lupin got more than a week of airings post Family Guy. ;)That's cold. You're cold. You're going on my cold list now. Feel the burn... the ICY BURN!

[Delthayre]

Well, that's a horrible set of choices to choose from, but I suppose that's how reality is.

For my part, I'll take the second option since it seems the least of three evils. But I must admit, losing anything from Cowboy Bebop pains me, because I'm fond of all of the peripheral elements. But in the end, I couldn't imagine it without Tank! in its full lustre.

[talibancity]

They really needed to keep BG's OP and showed the full ED. I've checked and the episodes are BARELY 20 minutes long, including the shortened ED. After 4 15-sec cards, that leaves about 8 1/2-9 minutes of commercials. Surely they've got some room in there to add an OP and or lengthen the ED. Same with Big O, I know Big O's eps are longer (24 to 25 minutes). Just show one fewer promo. That ATHF promo is getting pretty old. That allows one more 30-sec ad and is close to adding the last 45 seconds to Big O's ending back.

[BabySealClubber]

On American stuff it really doesn't matter to me (although it seems that Matt Groening is really miffed over that fact that the Simpsons credits get squeezed or dumped in syndication).

On the anime, I really enjoy the openings and j-pop songs to most shows so that would be my choice (2), especially on Yu Yu Hakusho. On the other hand the music at the close of Inu Yasha and Outlaw Star is better than the title's. So there I would prefer a switch.

As for previews, I'd get rid of them entirely. If I am a fan, I'll be watching the next night anyway and I always wind up fast forwarding through them when I tape a bunch of shows in sucession.

I guess I like DianaGohan's idea best in alternating between OP and ED. I mean if they can alternate between the English and Japanese Teen Titans song...

[EscaflownePilot]

I've been suggesting for some time now that CN should alternate between the closing and opening themes for the show's OP.

But, since that's not an option, I'll choose option #2.

Personally, I absolutely can't stand cold starts. There's gotta' be something more than some text displaying "Trigun... next" to introduce the show, and in most cases the average viewer seems to recognize and attribute the opening to a certain show much more so than an ending theme.

As for eyecatchers - they aren't necessary since AS has their own "eyecatchers" to begin and end commericals. Eyecatchers are great on DVD releases, but they don't really add anything to TV viewing.

And the previews can go - no problems here. Most of the time the previews are too... abnormal to do any good in hooking the average viewer into the next episode. Watch the previews for the next episode of 24 on FOX, and it's drastically different (and more marketable) than having some character from the show attempt to ramble on about something completely unrellated to the next episode before blurting out the title. Don't get me wrong - as an anime fan, they're great. But they can often times spoil things in the next episode, are often to abnormal to serve their purpose, and aren't really necessary to begin with since most of the time the viewers' mind is made up by the end of the ep whether they'll keep watching the show every day/week.

[Fireswarm]

I perfer selection 1 with no opening. The purpose of the opening it to indicate what show is on at that moment, and WS is providing that with the b/w cards. Besides w/o the opening the show's bulk is shown sooner while the open tends to become repetative. The ending is better since it keeps the credits as well as time for the view to understand the show. I would only like to see the OP on the first episode only.

[Big D'oh]

What an oddly agonizing little poll this is...

I went with the Inuyasha option, as I have a tendency to believe how you exit a show is just about as important, if not more, as how you enter it.

With Bebop, wouldn't cutting the eyecatches add a least 10 seconds? Just about enough to restore "Real Folk Blues"?

I could live with shortened Big O's "And Forever" if they didn't just simply repeat the same two credit sequences (one each from seasons 1 and 2). I don't hate "Forever" like so many people, and do like hearing it in it's entirety. What really hurts is the loss of the phone call preview at the end. Compared to most anime previews, it's incredibly short, ands add to the overall atmosphere of the show.

Another option, as I believe someone mentioned earlier, would be WS to create new, shorter credit sequences for all the shows, similar to the Toonami openings. Of course, that might take away from the cards, and we can't have that, can we...

[Master Moron]

Another option, as I believe someone mentioned earlier, would be WS to create new, shorter credit sequences for all the shows, similar to the Toonami openings. Of course, that might take away from the cards, and we can't have that, can we...

They used to do that, everyone hated the Toonami style openings.

Anyway, I choose option 3. I can't believe how many people want to go without the previews. The previews just don't explain what happens in the next episode. In some cases the next episode preview is the best part of the episode. Watching the boringness that is Boogie Woogie Feng Shui is worth it just to see the preview for Pierrot Le Fou at the end. Man, hearing Mad Pierrot laughing throughout the whole preview was probably one of the coolest moments in the series.

Other series that have essential previews. Martian Successor Nadesico:the previews were the funniest part of the series. Cutting them from Giant Robot Week ruined the show(not that skipping half the series didn't ruin the show already). Hellsing:This series is always humorless, so the fact that the previews are absolutely hilarious necessarily lightens the mood.

[Rikou]

Watching the boringness that is Boogie Woogie Feng Shui is worth it just to see the preview for Pierrot Le Fou at the end. Man, hearing Mad Pierrot laughing throughout the whole preview was probably one of the coolest moments in the series.

Cowboy Bebop is probably the only show whose previews I actually like. They don't really tell so much what's going to happen in the next episode, just give us little bits of amusement. Which I like.

[Anime Guy]

Watching the boringness that is Boogie Woogie Feng Shui is worth it just to see the preview for Pierrot Le Fou at the end. Man, hearing Mad Pierrot laughing throughout the whole preview was probably one of the coolest moments in the series.
I think you mean Wild Horses. Wild Horses is session 19, Pierrot Le Fou is session 20, and Boogie Woogie Feng Shui is session 21. Yeah, I know Bebop.


Cowboy Bebop is probably the only show whose previews I actually like. They don't really tell so much what's going to happen in the next episode, just give us little bits of amusement. Which I like.
I agree, and I also like the fact that the music is different for each preview. It doesn't matter to me if the preview of the next episode of a show spoils it a little bit. I don't even care if it spells it out.

[Master Moron]

I think you mean Wild Horses. Wild Horses is session 19, Pierrot Le Fou is session 20, and Boogie Woogie Feng Shui is session 21. Yeah, I know Bebop.


Oh yeah, well, I knew it was one of those bad episodes. I think most fans would agree that Heavy Metal Queen, Boogie Woogie Feng Shui, and Wild Horses are the 3 worst episodes of Cowboy Bebop. And I knew that the preview for Pierrot Le Fou was on a really bad episode, and I knew it couldn't be Heavy Metal Queen since that was too early in the series.

Anyway, other series that have interesting previews.

Noir:These are interesting just because there's no voiceover telling you what happens in the next episode, instead words appear on the screen while music plays.

Serial Experiments Lain:The previews for this show have nothing to do with the series, they merely show a girl(live-action) talking about pointless crap and then they show words on the screen that indicate what the next episode is.

[Chad Bonin]

I liked the custom intro. It's not like they woulda aired the original opening, and it's better than "Trigun- Next" in Trigun's case (Don't think they woulda aired the Inuyasha intro either).

"But before you do, you should know that this man is Vash... the Stampede..."

[Killtacular]

It's not like they woulda aired the original opening.
The point of this thread is that in this hypothetical situation, AS WOULD run the opening, if you chose option 1. This is a fantasy thread, not a reality thread.

I also noticed you said "download the intros". Who the **** outside of Toon Zone knows about ASU? We're talking about 94% of Adult Swim's viewers here.

If Adult Swim never aired Tank, the average viewer would never get to see it. And why would he be inclined to search for it if he doesn't know how good it is? Especially if Cowboy Bebop is for the most part uncut on TV (as far as the viewer cares)? I know a bunch of people who tape the anime on AS and don't buy the DVDs.

[Anime Guy]

Oh yeah, well, I knew it was one of those bad episodes. I think most fans would agree that Heavy Metal Queen, Boogie Woogie Feng Shui, and Wild Horses are the 3 worst episodes of Cowboy Bebop. And I knew that the preview for Pierrot Le Fou was on a really bad episode, and I knew it couldn't be Heavy Metal Queen since that was too early in the series.
I must be the exception. I like all three of those episodes. Of course, I love all of Bebop and I never could choose a favorite episode. It must seem weird to you that Wild Horses is on the Best Sessions DVD. It seemed weird to me too. Since neither of The Real Folk Blues or Jupiter Jazz sessions are on it.


Noir:These are interesting just because there's no voiceover telling you what happens in the next episode, instead words appear on the screen while music plays.

Serial Experiments Lain:The previews for this show have nothing to do with the series, they merely show a girl(live-action) talking about pointless crap and then they show words on the screen that indicate what the next episode is.
Sounds cool. The previews for Lain kinda sound like the preview for Pierrot Le Fou.

[Chad Bonin]

Who outside the 'net really CARES when the intros are cut? Only people like us worry about such inconsequential stuff like that.

[The Landstander]

I liked the custom intro. It's not like they woulda aired the original opening, and it's better than "Trigun- Next" in Trigun's case (Don't think they woulda aired the Inuyasha intro either).

"But before you do, you should know that this man is Vash... the Stampede..."Blargh. I completely hated that AS intro. I also saw the original Trigun intro, and it was the only redeeming factor (besides Legato) in the entire series. HT > "Trigun - Next" > AS made intro.

And Matt makes a good point...I knew "HT" owned because of this board. If I never went here, I wouldn't know about it. =o

I think most fans would agree that Heavy Metal Queen, Boogie Woogie Feng Shui, and Wild Horses are the 3 worst episodes of Cowboy Bebop.Hey, whatdya know, I agree completely.

[Chad Bonin]

I LIKE Trigun's original opening. I saw it attached to every episode on VHS. Of course, I fast-forwarded through it half the time because I had just seen it.

"Trigun- Next" < "You should know that this man is Vash..." slightly < Original Intro.

And I keep on seeing that first post. Clone Wars is gone, but the shortened endings are still here. Huh.

[William C. Maune]

Matt: Unless he edited his post, I don't see where Knux said anything about downloading intros in this thread before you mentioned it in response to his post.

That being said,

Knux: Let's please not get into the Clone Wars/endings thing again. The argument ended, no need to bring it back up.

[Anime Guy]

"Trigun- Next" < "You should know that this man is Vash..." slightly < Original Intro.
I agree. However, the card that says, "Trigun's a comin'" is pretty funny.


Matt: Unless he edited his post, I don't see where Knux said anything about downloading intros in this thread before you mentioned it in response to his post.
He said it on page 2.

[Mog]

I think it should depend on the show. Say we get Gunslinger Girl over here. I adore the GSG OP. The ED, on the other hand, sucks. Crappy French song with a pic of a gun, I think Henrietta's Five-Seven. I think the show could do without. It's Preview is just the title, so that's not a problem. Some animes have one or the other, and some have both, but there's always something that really doesn't need to be there and can be sacrificed without notice. That's why I think it should depend on the show and not some written choice.

[William C. Maune]

He said it on page 2.

That was 9 days ago though. No need to lay into him about it oever a week later.

[EscaflownePilot]

I think it should depend on the show. Say we get Gunslinger Girl over here. I adore the GSG OP. The ED, on the other hand, sucks. Crappy French song with a pic of a gun, I think Henrietta's Five-Seven.Okay... but who, then, determines what opening is good and what opening is bad? Many people find the Crest of the Stars opening to be boring and pointless - I think it does a great, simple job of setting the mood for an epic space saga. Many many people love Cowboy Bebop's opening, but there do exist people that find the jazziness to be corny. I don't want WS deciding what opening or closing theme is good and what isn't - just avoid it all togethor and always air only one or the other.

[Anime Guy]

Okay... but who, then, determines what opening is good and what opening is bad? Many people find the Crest of the Stars opening to be boring and pointless - I think it does a great, simple job of setting the mood for an epic space saga. Many many people love Cowboy Bebop's opening, but there do exist people that find the jazziness to be corny. I don't want WS deciding what opening or closing theme is good and what isn't - just avoid it all togethor and always air only one or the other.
Or they could just air both. Anime should have the same rights as American shows.

[Killtacular]

Maune: I didn't read it until now. It's not like his opinion changed in the past 9 days.

[lostrune]

Or they could just air both. Anime should have the same rights as American shows.

But that's also like saying anime content should be shortened to ~20 minutes long to make more room for commercials. (That's the reason American shows get to keep their "rights.") Like they say, if you want the same rights, then ya gotta be a citizen (that is, become one of them). :D

[Anime Guy]

But that's also like saying anime content should be shortened to ~20 minutes long to make more room for commercials. (That's the reason American shows get to keep their "rights.") Like they say, if you want the same rights, then ya gotta be a citizen (that is, become one of them). :D
If that's the case, then it still boggles my mind how the last episode of FLCL ever aired mostly uncut.

Also, I, obviously, never said anything about cutting the content to show the full intro and outro. I was implying by showing the full intro and outro, that the content would be left in. AS anime is on later than comedy anyway. It'll probably never get as good ratings as comedy, so why not exploit that by leaving in as much content as possible with eyecatches, intros, and outros? More commercials aren't going to make more people watch. Hell, they might even deter people from watching. That damn pimping of that Metal Arms game is starting to piss me off. Seriously, I have to whole thing memorized.

[wrenchien]

.....

The ending credits?


yes. ending credits. the stuff dreams are made of.

i wonder if this thread will destabilize

[Killtacular]

It Won't. Jerk.

[wrenchien]

i just wanted to question the sanity of a thread sounding like gangster chatter in the beginning. that's all.

[Killtacular]

And your answer is no.

http://matttv.kicks-ass.net:8080/noitwont.gif

[wrenchien]

yeah, nice animation. but a simple 'no' would have sufficed.
and at least i have enough tact to not bother animating my anger at the way things are or what i read. also to not call people 'jerk' just to respond to an answer. and to try to deal with people who act problematic in a mature manner, in a jovial matter, and to try to not use sarcasm. that was an uncalled for thing when you called me a jerk out of apparently nowhere. and hurtful.

i wish i could put you on ignore. and to be honest, i dont' want to read your site's url in your posts anymore. it's bordering on spam , the repeating of your site in every signature.

[Killtacular]

It's called a signature, which you can turn off at any time, in your user options.

[wrenchien]

whatever.

thank you for telling me.

[Cyber E.]

i wish i could put you on ignore. and to be honest, i dont' want to read your site's url in your posts anymore. it's bordering on spam , the repeating of your site in every signature.

Incorrect, my good man. It borders on spam when someone links to their site (or a site they work for) for no other means than to get self promotion. Linkage in signatures is not only allowed, but often encouraged so that people will not clutter the forums with their advertisements.

[wrenchien]

Incorrect, my good man. It borders on spam when someone links to their site (or a site they work for) for no other means than to get self promotion. Linkage in signatures is not only allowed, but often encouraged so that people will not clutter the forums with their advertisements.

thanks for clearing that up for me. that really helps.

let's go on ahead with the discussion, as it is, before it really gets out of hand.

btw i wonder. does anyone think the quality of the below image, is a bit nicer than the one matt posted? it's not animated, but it's what i'm capable of graphically. and animation i'll learn someday, btw.

it's something i used a game rendering program to model, btw. a bit colorful and the character i created for a pinball game (which i'm good at making, btw) is pretty cute.



and btw i doubt i'm owned by anyone. and i try to not be owned in what i say or do here.

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[Tienshin]

http://hometown.aol.com/cduncan872/alas.gif

EDIT: My link died. =(

[The Landstander]

...right.

I don't know...what that was...

But regardless, this thread will now return on topic.

Also, wrenchien, Matt wasn't trying to offend you or anything. Chill. If you have a problem, take it up with him...outside of this thread. =P

[wrenchien]

to be noteworthy, i'd rather have things not changed at all.

now let's hope we can get back on track .

[wrenchien]

...right.

I don't know...what that was...

But regardless, this thread will now return on topic.

Also, wrenchien, Matt wasn't trying to offend you or anything. Chill. If you have a problem, take it up with him...outside of this thread. =P

still , i find 'jerk' something offensive to be called. i could use an apology for being called that right out of the blue. i probably won't hold my breath for one, though.

[wrenchien]

...right.

I don't know...what that was...

But regardless, this thread will now return on topic.

Also, wrenchien, Matt wasn't trying to offend you or anything. Chill. If you have a problem, take it up with him...outside of this thread. =P

my picture on top, or the picture below, or the animation? cause i didn't know exactly which you were referring to?

[Rikou]

wrenchien, you're a jerk. Now stop... what was that? TRIPLE-posting? and just drop it. You don't want to pick a fight with Matt. Now, all idiotic banter stops right here. See the line down there? Nothing other than things on topic goes below it.

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I dislike eyecatchers. They're pointless.

[EscaflownePilot]

If that's the case, then it still boggles my mind how the last episode of FLCL ever aired mostly uncut.

Also, I, obviously, never said anything about cutting the content to show the full intro and outro. I was implying by showing the full intro and outro, that the content would be left in. AS anime is on later than comedy anyway. It'll probably never get as good ratings as comedy, so why not exploit that by leaving in as much content as possible with eyecatches, intros, and outros? More commercials aren't going to make more people watch. Hell, they might even deter people from watching. That damn pimping of that Metal Arms game is starting to piss me off. Seriously, I have to whole thing memorized.Well, yeah, in a perfect world that would be best... but as the Wallgreen's commercial goes, we live far from perfect... or whatever the hell that dumb tagline is... err. anyway, the entire point of this thread is to choose which combination we like best. I'm sure everyone agrees at this point that:
a) commercials are bad
b) having everything - eyecatches, openings, endings, previews, etc. air uncut on anime is good

However, commercials are necessary for AS to make any money... and because of their existence, Japanese shows which typically run 25 minutes long need to be cut down to roughly 22 minutes. And as it is, CN is much less strict about shows running over that 22 min. anyway. We can't expect them to lose that much more advertising time just to ait the same repeated op, end, eyecatch, and the like.

And, yes, few to no commercials would attract a ton of people to watch AS. But those people that watch AS won't mean a thing if CN doesn't get paid for it. And how does CN get paid for it? By using commercials. I agree with you and all... but it really isn't possible and that is the entire purpose of this thread - to choose the lesser of multiple evils.

[Morpheus]

Option #2, Please.

[Anime Guy]

And, yes, few to no commercials would attract a ton of people to watch AS. But those people that watch AS won't mean a thing if CN doesn't get paid for it. And how does CN get paid for it? By using commercials. I agree with you and all... but it really isn't possible and that is the entire purpose of this thread - to choose the lesser of multiple evils.
That's why they should have some rule over how often the commercials are run. Something like commercial breaks can only be so long, and we can only air this particular commercial twice every half hour or something. Some plan to still have commercials, but to keep them in check. To get people to buy the stuff, without excessive advertising. That way, anime can leave in as much as possible and the stuff on the commercials gets bought. Everyone wins.

[Scythemantis]

Oh dear god wrenchien all that blubbering over absolutely nothing. Calling you a jerk was very obviously not meant to be taken seriously. No, he does not owe you an apology.

Anyways, am I the only one who doesn't care at all when something's cut from an anime? The way some people are you'de think they were setting fire to the mona lisa. Edits happen for a reason. If it hurts you so much go get the dvd. :p

[ClockStomper]

The thing I dislike about the recycled "shortened endings" is that Big O's cut into the episode's end. We get a sudden and abrupt cut to the credits. Which is jarring, since S2 often ends with dramatic music or dialouge, which now dosen't get to finish.

[EscaflownePilot]

Oh dear god wrenchien all that blubbering over absolutely nothing. Calling you a jerk was very obviously not meant to be taken seriously. No, he does not owe you an apology.

Anyways, am I the only one who doesn't care at all when something's cut from an anime? The way some people are you'de think they were setting fire to the mona lisa. Edits happen for a reason. If it hurts you so much go get the dvd. :pI know this is said time and time again, but it bears repeating - anime fans love anime, and want to spread that to others to give an "underground" hobby the attention that it deserves. Thus, it goes to follow, most anime fans want the massess to see exactly what they saw, and feel that even a small cut like the opening theme will degrade the way the anime is seen in the eyes of the massess.

I don't think it's a big deal, though. I used to, but I realized it's not that big of a deal. I do, however, obsess over presentation when it comes to any TV show. I'd be everybit as much pissed if CN decides to cut the opening to Futurama as I would be to any anime because... face it, cold starts suck ass and WS's stupid, cheap homemade op's suck even worse. Merely for my own sanity, I want the original op to greet me with each episode - regardless of how important it is.