If you wanted to know about the Kenshin Box Set [Archive]

FireStarterLE

12-09-2003, 05:25 PM

nope, Knux, its just the first season. Composed of these episodes:

Season 1
1. 1-1 Handsome Swordsman of Legend
2. 1-2 Kid Samurai
3. 1-3 Swordsman of Sorrow
4. 1-4 Bad!
5. 1-5 Reverse-Blade Sword vs. The Zanbatou
6. 1-6 Appearance of Kurogasa
7. 1-7 Deathmatch Under the Moon
8. 1-8 A New Battle
9. 1-09 Strongest Group of Ninjas
10. 1-10 Aoshi
11. 1-11 Farewell, the Strongest Men, The Clash Between Light And Shadow
12. 1-12 Birth of a Boy Swordsman
13. 1-13 Striving For the Grand Championship
14. 1-14 To Save a Small Life
15. 1-15 Two Legendary Manslayers
16. 1-16 A Promise From the Heart
17. 1-17 Fly to Your Dreams
18. 1-18 Run, Yahiko!
19. 1-19 Raijuta's Ambition
20. 1-20 Revival of the Shinko Style
21. 1-21 Dissolution of a Nightmare
22. 1-22 Danger on a Runaway Locomotive
23. 1-23 Sanosuke's Betrayal
24. 1-24 Midnight Battle
25. 1-25 The Crimson Pirate
26. 1-26 Lightning Incarnate
27. 1-27 Burn, Island of Terror!

There will be 2 more after this for Kyoto and the Meiji (Christian) Arcs

Chad Bonin

12-09-2003, 05:28 PM

Eh, no rush to buy 'em then. Not like WS made the show unwatchable...

If it was the whole series, I might consider buying it for the episodes that just aren't gonna air for a while. Money going to Guilty Gear X2 now.

FireStarterLE

12-09-2003, 05:41 PM

and thats why i'm getting it and the other 2 arcs (as separate discs). Because they made it unwatchable and i want to see in for what its supposed to be

Chad Bonin

12-09-2003, 05:45 PM

Hm, I thoroughly enjoyed it on Toonami/SVES.

oranthal

12-09-2003, 06:13 PM

Looks like just standard... er... paper.

Whatever those Samurai Jack and Adult Swim CDs came in...

I'm guess the sleeves are smooth paper and probably won't leave scratches on the DVDs.

Beat

12-09-2003, 06:41 PM

Okay, it's time to save up $100 and watch a viewable version of Kenshin!

Chad Bonin

12-09-2003, 06:42 PM

Or save your money, stop the WS-hating, and have enjoyed it on Toonami and SVES.

Beat

12-09-2003, 06:44 PM

Or save your money, stop the WS-hating, and have enjoyed it on Toonami and SVES.

More like have cried in confusion over the edits and ommision of a death.

Chad Bonin

12-09-2003, 06:46 PM

Didn't know so many people had a hard time understanding what happened. Never got that feeling from the Talkbacks. I guess I had higher expectations of common sense.

Animation Otaku

12-09-2003, 06:56 PM

Cutting out 3 deaths(not including the ones I forgot about) is unacceptable.

Chad Bonin

12-09-2003, 06:59 PM

First it was one, now it's three? Huh. I still got by knowing who died.

Animation Otaku

12-09-2003, 07:05 PM

Jinnei, Usui, Senkaku.

Chad Bonin

12-09-2003, 07:07 PM

Yeah, they died. We know they died from the edited episodes.

Animation Otaku

12-09-2003, 07:47 PM

Yeah, they died. We know they died from the edited episodes.

I could still gather that Senkaku died(though a kid wouldn't be able to), but I had no clue that Jinnei or Usui died. After watchin the second Jinnei episode, I wondered why they just let him get away. Then I logged on to Toonzone and found out the truth. Similarily, I wondered why someone as rutheless as Saitou didn't finish of Usui. Then I found out that he had killed him thanks to the internet.

Chad Bonin

12-09-2003, 07:51 PM

I... uh... never had that problem...

Andrew T. Hingson

12-09-2003, 07:54 PM

Stop bashing WS edited Kenshin. They did a fantastic job and you should be praising their efforts. Akins loves Kenshin and he took good care of it. Yeah it could have been uncut on AS, but it was a breath of fresh air on Toonami. The hope of a better tommorow. If it had aired back in the days of Tenchi Muyo and Outlaw Star then you'd have little to complain about and it would have done terrific in ratings all around. Sadly, Kenshin was either before or after its time.

Yes there were a few rough edits, but how would you have edited those? We can only guess how hard it was to try and make them not stand out too much. You could still cleary tell the result, they just had to cut out the action that cause it (in the case of those 3 deaths). What they did with the Shishio VS Kenshin fight was phenominal for Y7-FV standards. I'll stick to belief that a good show is STILL a good show despite edits. If I didn't believe than then I never would have enjoyed such shows as Sailor Moon, Samurai Pizza Cats, Tenchi Muyo, Voltron, Dragonball Z, Yu Yu Hakusho, Digimon, Pokemon, Shaman King, and Sonic X. (among many others). Anime gets edited here, even on AS. So just get over it.

Beat

12-09-2003, 07:57 PM

They did an awful job and we should be criticizing their half-assed butchery. It should have been uncut on Adult Swim, but instead it was a quickly chopped footnote on Toonami. The edits ruined the show. It was too late to air it there, and the poor show paid the price.

Chad Bonin

12-09-2003, 08:01 PM

Would it have been uncut on AS? Nah, they'd still edit some stuff.

Kenshin was greatly handled.

Beat

12-09-2003, 08:02 PM

Probably. No nude scenes.

Kenshin was crappily handled.

Chad Bonin

12-09-2003, 08:08 PM

People who just watched it on Toonami without seeing the uncut version knew what was going on. The major criticism comes from those who saw them earlier.

Beat

12-09-2003, 08:11 PM

Blind leading the blind. People got confused.

Animation Otaku

12-09-2003, 08:12 PM

People who just watched it on Toonami without seeing the uncut version knew what was going on. The major criticism comes from those who saw them earlier.

I had never seen it before and I got confused in several places(including the ones above and several other things I can't recall right now).

FireStarterLE

12-09-2003, 09:07 PM

the only edit that really made me laugh was when (uncut: Saitoh killed Usui by pinning him to the wall with his sword)

And in the edited version: they showed him being flown through the air and hit the wall, but they removed the sword which kinda looked like Saitoh used psi. powers to make him stay up there and was killing him by pushing with a psi-finger in the stomach area.

I thought at first Jinnei just passed out, but when i saw it a second time i got it.

And i knew that Senkaku was killed

ClockStomper

12-10-2003, 03:49 AM

Or save your money, stop the WS-hating, and have enjoyed it on Toonami and SVES.

I enjoyed it, except for the crappy schedule changing. I'm buying them since they'll never repeat on TV again due to non-WS CN's disrespect for it, and to encourage them to release the other two sagas in box sets. I'd rather not use the time and energy to track down the DVDs of the last arc. Similarly, I'm buying Cyborg 009 DVDs because they're putting 8 episodes (4 hours) a disk like all companies should do. It's buying out of support (Cyborg is interesting, but not one of my favorites.)

Of course, I can do this because I'm not a schmuck who buys an excessive amount of DVDs, going on a weekly hunt for every major release out of some completist obsession. They're going to be obsolete anyway once the studios milk'em for every thing they're worth and then churn out DLDs (which they've been holding back for the last few years.)

Senbei Norimaki

12-10-2003, 06:45 AM

At least Cartoon Network didn't air the old Sony Samurai X dub of Kenshin.

I didn't watch Kenshin on Cartoon Network since I already had the DVDs so I don't know how bad cartoon network butchered it. I'm surprised to see that people actually support censorship.

Chad Bonin

12-10-2003, 10:22 AM

I only support censorship when it gets a show to where it belongs. DBZ, edited, works on Toonami more than DBZ uncut does on Adult Swim.

I am usually against censorship of any form, but hey, we're getting the shows for free on television.

WS handled the show well, keeping the plot and actions intact.

Jaguar

12-10-2003, 10:49 AM

I have a really good idea.

How about we all just shut up and watch whatever freaking version we want to to without any conflict? Jebus, this has been going on since March.

lostrune

12-10-2003, 12:52 PM

Similarly, I'm buying Cyborg 009 DVDs because they're putting 8 episodes (4 hours) a disk like all companies should do. It's buying out of support (Cyborg is interesting, but not one of my favorites.)

The # of eps/DVD depends a lot on demand. Series in low demand usually get a higher # of eps/DVD to make the DVD more attractive to buyers. Series in high demand usually get a lower # of eps/DVD obviously so the company can make some money - money that can also be used to subsidize/make up for the series that some fans want but don't make money for the company (or to pay for the higher license fee that a high-demand series logically garners). It's mostly money and economics.

ClockStomper

12-10-2003, 02:51 PM

The # of eps/DVD depends a lot on demand. Series in low demand usually get a higher # of eps/DVD to make the DVD more attractive to buyers. Series in high demand usually get a lower # of eps/DVD obviously so the company can make some money - money that can also be used to subsidize/make up for the series that some fans want but don't make money for the company (or to pay for the higher license fee that a high-demand series logically garners). It's mostly money and economics.

It depends on the greed of the company. Blue Gender is spread across 8 disks for 26 episodes, on a series that, at the very best, could have a "cult following". Less than an hour and a half on most discs is rediculous, even for Funi.

Master Moron

12-10-2003, 03:56 PM

Yeah, they died. We know they died from the edited episodes.

You know they died from the talkback threads. Besides, even if edited Kenshin is acceptable, it's taking forever for the series to get anywhere when they're airing one episode a week.

Was Senkaku that bald guy with blades on his hands? I don't see how you could figure out how he died on the SVES version. I mean they just showed him and Soujiro standing there together. No blow, no blood, no scream, nothing. Though I did figure out Usui died from the strain of his voice. As for Jinei, I never saw the edited version of his death.

Animation Otaku

12-10-2003, 03:58 PM

There was no editted version Jinnei's death. They cut it out completely, and never mentioned it, leading the viewer to believe(as I did), that Kenshin was going to let Jinnei just run off and come back again at some later time.

Killtacular

12-11-2003, 05:43 PM

Chad Bonin

12-11-2003, 07:05 PM

It's not my intent to start fights.

126 bucks for that many episodes? God, that's a horrid deal.

William C. Maune

12-11-2003, 08:35 PM

Knux, you may think it's cool to start fights on the Toonami forum, but on the CN forum, I do not tolerate it.

Please cease this ridiculousness and talk about it on the Toonami forum if it still bothers you that people have an opinion that's just as grounded and backed by evidence as yours.

Resume talking ABOUT THE DVD SET.

While the argument may not be appropriate for this thread, I don't see Knux doing anything worse than a lot of the other people in this thread. Plus, if you are going to only single out another forum's mod, I can find a lot worse stuff you have posted on the Toonami board.

Basically, if you aren't going to "tolerate it," I better see you following the same standard when posting on the Toonami board.

Animation Otaku

12-11-2003, 09:19 PM

Most of us have said that the editted show was unwatchable/confusing in parts to us. KnuxFive has responded to that by saying that it's understandable to anyone. We've stated opinon, he's passed opinion off as fact.

ClockStomper

12-11-2003, 09:35 PM

126 bucks for that many episodes? God, that's a horrid deal.

It's 150 if you buy them alone. It's worse on the third, CN unaired arc, where there's only 3 episodes a disk.

Personally, I'm buying because liked it enough to own it, and since CN will never air it again. Bastiches.

Killtacular

12-11-2003, 09:42 PM

While the argument may not be appropriate for this thread, I don't see Knux doing anything worse than a lot of the other people in this thread.
He threw a wrench into the thread and steered it off topic. He started the fight.

Plus, if you are going to only single out another forum's mod, I can find a lot worse stuff you have posted on the Toonami board.
Perhaps if Knux or Luigi didn't start every single one of those debates, I wouldn't post "worse stuff". I don't understand why everything Knux says has to be so confrontational. If he didn't egg people on with flamebait, there'd be no trouble.

Basically, if you aren't going to "tolerate it," I better see you following the same standard when posting on the Toonami board.
Only if the standard is also followed by the people who mod there. Which it currently isn't.

Would it kill you to not help drag this out any longer than it has to?

Everyone start talking about the DVD set, now, or I'm closing the thread.

DianaGohan

12-11-2003, 09:48 PM

That's a big diss to the Toonami board Matt. I wonder how Knuxfive is going to respond to that.....

Coollead

12-11-2003, 09:49 PM

The box is made out of wood. Its so cool feeling, and for some reason has "Shonen Jump" on the back.

Best Buy sells it for $106.99, which isn't a "TERRIBLE" deal at all, considering its 29 episodes, and in a really cool looking box.

Killtacular

12-11-2003, 09:50 PM

I'm not dissing the board itself. That's just unprofessional. Let's not get so widescale.

DVD TALK, PLEASE.

Animation Otaku

12-11-2003, 09:53 PM

DVD PLAYER!!!!!!!!!!!

Once I have teh money I'll buy this. I want to see Kenshin in all it's uneditted glory. :D Until then, I stand tall.

Killtacular

12-11-2003, 09:54 PM

The price is a bit much. I'd pay $70 for that and no more.

Animation Otaku

12-11-2003, 09:56 PM

It's not the best deal, but it's better than individuals. I'd pay for it, but I've paid for a lot of overpriced anime crap.

Killtacular

12-11-2003, 09:58 PM

It just seems like, to me, charging any more than $3 an episode is a rip.

Parallax

12-11-2003, 10:01 PM

Yeah, Family Guy Season One & Two's $35, right? It has at least 28 episodes on it. Anyway, I rather just buy the episodes seperately I really want and wait untill the Kyoto Boxset.

Artemis

12-11-2003, 10:06 PM

The deal's not THAT terrible. It is better than buying them all individually. I'm waiting for the Kyoto Arc boxste myself.

Coollead

12-11-2003, 10:07 PM

well, anime costs more to produce, will obviously sell less, and various other things. Which is probably why its so much. If anime sold like American TV shows, I'm pretty damn sure that it'd be hella cheaper.

Chad Bonin

12-11-2003, 10:26 PM

I somehow believe a 30 dollar box set would sell better...

Hell, I did a whole article about this. Someone tell Jeff to get X Bridge updated.

HumanoidTyphoon

12-12-2003, 03:46 PM

That box looks neat but all I want from this arc is the first 3 volumes at deepdiscountdvd.com I paid $43.00 for them.:) When the Kyoto set comes out I will sell my first born.

bladeliger

12-13-2003, 12:02 AM

When the Kyoto set comes out I will sell my first born.
Well that's a bit extreme for dvds :( . Anywho, anyone know when that box set comes out???

Nobuyuki sama

12-13-2003, 01:45 AM

Well that's a bit extreme for dvds :( . Anywho, anyone know when that box set comes out???
Last month.

HumanoidTyphoon

12-13-2003, 09:30 PM

I think he means the Kyoto box set which I can't find any release dates for.

Nobuyuki sama

12-13-2003, 11:34 PM

Ah, my mistake, then.

FireStarterLE

12-14-2003, 01:49 PM

get free shipping and no tax, go to deepdiscountdvd.com!

they have it for $83.98 = after tax and shipping its $83.98

http://www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=MBI020227

wonderfly

12-16-2003, 07:35 PM

I looked around on Ebay and found some boxed sets that claim to have the entire series in one boxed set. They're also sold a lot cheaper than the 120 bucks being asked for this boxed set, which only has the 1st story arc! What's up with this?!?!? I think the boxed sets in question were made in another country...is it just cheaper to buy on Ebay?

Dogasu

12-16-2003, 08:39 PM

lostrune

12-17-2003, 01:31 AM

B-O-O-T-L-E-G! What does that spell!?

Bootleg!!!!!!!!!

Remember kids, with eBay, if a deal is too good to be true, it probably is. :)

bladeliger

12-17-2003, 06:11 AM

I just found the box set at FYE for $100!!! :D :D . Of course I bought it right away and I must say that there is nothing better then watching uncut Kenshin. I personally prefer the Japanese version now to the American version. I like the Japanese VA a little better than the American one.

Nobuyuki sama

12-26-2003, 05:44 AM

Kyoto set comes out I will sell my first born.
Well that's a bit extreme for dvds :( . Anywho, anyone know when that box set comes out???

March, according to my latest Previews (http://previews.diamondcomics.com/orderform/orderform.html) order form. :cool:

Jeffrey

12-28-2003, 01:55 AM

Does anyone know if there ever was a Kenshin Box Set in the U.K.?

I think the set my brother bought came from there.

Majin_Megabyte

12-28-2003, 03:30 PM

Hey I got an question. In couple weeks CN is getting closer to "Save an Small life: The Challenge of Dr.Megumi" are they going to air this time around or not? Because I been wondering about it.

ClockStomper

12-28-2003, 07:11 PM

They might as well, since it's so late anyway. We know WS did an edited version for it since it was scheduled a few times.

FireStarterLE

12-30-2003, 09:22 PM

i'm in need of a bit of help right now. You see, i'm trying to complete a Kenshin Ep. Guide (a guide that contains both parts of the title and not just the main part) anyways, the only episodes i need are:

The Sanada Ninja Squad:
A Straying Journey:
A Heatwave from Beneath the Earth:

all three are from the "Tales of the Meiji" Arc and appear on the dvd/vhs "Soulless Knights"

thanks for the help