George W.'s Resume - More of That Fun-Fun Bush Hating Propaganda.

[JohnCrichton]

Even if these are true... or are they? Wonder what Wagner would have to say about this? Alot of political debate goes on among my friends on another board.

Anyway, here's the forward one fo them posted up, that I've seen before elsewhere. Apologies if this was already posted up:

RESUME-George W. Bush, The White House, USA

EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE
LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.
MILITARY: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.
COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University. I was
a cheerleader.
PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.
With the help of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected Governor of Texas.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR:
I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.
I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
I set the record for the most executions by any Governor in American history.
With the help of my brother, the Governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I
became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.
ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.
I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.
I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.
I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.
I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.
I am the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.
I set the the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one year period.
After taking-off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S.history.
I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.
In my State Of The Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.
I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. president.
In my first year in office over 2-million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.
I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any president in U.S. history.
I set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.
I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.
I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.
I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families -- in war time.
I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people) shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.
I've broken more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.
I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My"poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.
I am the first president in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, themajority of U.S.citizens, and the world community.
I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.
I am the first president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war" (detainees) and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
I am the first president in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.
My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. history. My political party used the Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate ripoffs in history.
I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.
I am first president in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.
I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.
I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein to justice.
RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
All records of my tenure as Governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed, and unavailable for public view.
All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.
Please consider my experience when voting in 2004.

[The Detective]

I'm going to vomit. Hope Joe Wagner gets here soon as I suck at debating.

[Eddie G.]

Okay to be fair Bush is not the worst president ever, and you can make similar lists about other presidents. However Bush is still a pretty bad President in my opinion, and this supports that.

[Xada-Hgla]

Pretty much how it would read if he were at all honest with his resumé. Eh, people pad there resumés all the time, making their accomplishments look better than they really are. Just never to this extent.http://forums.toonzone.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[RogueMartian]

Ah, everyone awaits the grand conservative Joe Wagner and his long opinions.

:) I await as well, should be fun.

[The Detective]

One of Bill Clinton would be interesting, veeeeeeeeeeery interesting.

[Delthayre]

I'm no Joe Wagner by any means, and I'm on the other side of the isle (uncomfortably), but I have a few thoughts on this curiousity.

Firstly, it strikes me as being in poor taste since it doesn't make much in the way of a substantial statement against Bush so much as it lists various things he's done in rather tendentious, however tongue-in-cheek, form.

I don't like this kind of stuff.


RESUME-George W. Bush, The White House, USA

EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE
LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.

I never see these as mattering much. He did some irresponsible things twenty seven years ago. Further, in the first instance, he took responsibility with the guilty plea. The second case is more ambiguous, but so far as I can see, it has no bearing on his qualifacations to hold office.


MILITARY: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

I would only complain about this if he or a supporter tried to use it to make Bush look better. It's generally irrelevant. I don't weigh military service too heavily when dealing with elected office.


COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University. I was
a cheerleader.

The Yale part annoys me since I'm almost certain he didn't get in on merit. Otherwise this is just something to briefly titter at. I'm sure the president has had a chuckle about it too.


PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.
With the help of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected Governor of Texas.

The first element is pretty irrelevant. The latter two could have some merit with substantiation and if they were true.


ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR:
I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.
I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
I set the record for the most executions by any Governor in American history.
With the help of my brother, the Governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I
became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

Now, this does bother me. But I think the split will be ideological on the first part and fourth part, partisan on the second and third. I don't like Bush's approach to the environment and I'm generally opposed to the death penalty (but let's not get into that here, too dicey).

As far as his fiscal efforts go, they seem to mirror his national level approach, which I haven't been too keen on. To be fair, it appears the tax cuts might have worked, but it's too soon to reasonably assess that. And I expect there will be some well-warranted moaning about the debt Bush has amassed within a few years.

And everything above it generally irrelevent unless factual, which I unfortunately doubt they are.

The votes thing is whining and doesn't get us anywhere.

I don't feel like tackling the rest now since a little more thought and analysis is generally warranted, and I don't have the time.

I don't really like this kind of thing. It's far too cute and mostly fluff. I also find it in bad taste. I almost certainly won't be voting for Bush in '04, but I won't let people get away with pointless gibberish like this. It retards the progress of public discourse, something the current field of pundits have been hard at work on for a while.

[Lucky Bob]

I don't know whether the point of this thread is to bash Bush or annoy Joe. Hard to tell.

In related news... (http://drudgereport.com/matthb.htm)

[Zach Logan]

I love you JohnCrichton

[Jaguar]

Ouch. Harsh, but mostly true statements. Just shows you that approval points aren't everything.

[Tienshin]

I have seen this pop up several times in my inbox...

Anyways, I did some checking and even snopes.com hasnt been able to fully shed light on the "resume" (http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/resume.asp) However they do provide a link to a site that has done some investigation on the matter...http://www.crossbearer.com/resume/The_Truth.pdf

[Delthayre]

That's an interesting document, Tienshin. The only thing that bothers me is that it was a one-man job driven by an intent to defend the president. Something with a broader and more diverse base of investigation would have been nice.

All I'm saying is approach it with ample scepticism. Not that I'd be that much more confident in it were it a more bipartisan affair.

Does anyone know a nice monarchy or dictatorship I could move to? I'm sick of all the ********.

[Tienshin]

That's an interesting document, Tienshin. The only thing that bothers me is that it was a one-man job driven by an intent to defend the president. Something with a broader and more diverse base of investigation would have been nice.

All I'm saying is approach it with ample scepticism. Not that I'd be that much more confident in it were it a more bipartisan affair.

Does anyone know a nice monarchy or dictatorship I could move to? I'm sick of all the ********.

True, I should have included that in my comments. But as a counterbalance to the "resume" which is nothing more than Bush bashing - it does an okay job. But of course when an agenda is involved it is wise to approach cautiously.

Oh, and if you have a Trillion dollar bill, Castro will welcome you with open arms to Cuba. Until he steals it and puts you out to sea of course, where you will be picked up by the American Feds for mega mega mega mega grand larceny. Or whatever its called.

[jrh31584]

I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.
Every baseball park built between Dodger Stadium in 1962 and SBC (formerly Pac Bell) Park was built at least partially with public funds. The Rangers would likely leave the area without a new stadium.

[randomguy]

I'm thinking that posting this might not have been wise, John. We've got rules against uninvited Bush-bashing, and the last thing this board needs right now is angry political shouting match. Thankfully, everybody's been real cool so far, so maybe I shouldn't care.

Anyways, there's a lot of valid points in this list, but there's also a decent amount of truth-stretching (not to mention the overall arrogant and confrontational tone).

Bush's environmental record is pretty bad. As a Texan who was politcally active during Bush's days as governor, I feel at least somewhat qualified to speak in this area. Yes, he loosened industry regulations, allowing for significant degrades in air and water quality. However, not all of this is his fault. One must remember that the Governorship is typically one of the weaker state offices, and the Governor of Texas (in particular) is powerless in several areas. Houston might have an incredibly bad smog problem, but it's not fair to blame that entirely on Bush. A myriad of deparments, corporations, and individuals share equal (or greater) responsibility. Oh, and he was legitimately elected governor. So it's way outta line to say that he swindled the election via right-wing conspiracy.

Calling the current diplomatic situation with the US the worst in the history of the world is a mighty bold statement.

The drinking/driving stuff bothers me, though not substantially. The military service aspect is, for my money, essentially irrelevant. Bush has never worn his military record on his sleeve, or showboated about it, so he's no less entitled to the Presidency. You could dig up considerably more damaging stuff in regards to Clinton.

The economy sucks (or has sucked- things are looking, up thankfully, if not to the tune of new jobs), but once again, even the President can shape that only so much. The economy might be the single most complicated entity on Earth, and a million factors outside of Bush contributed to its problems.

Ministry of Homeland Security? It's a deparment. Get your terms straight.

He might not have Osama Bin Laden and Sadaam Hussein (why should the list even care about that one when it obviously doesn't support the war in Iraq?), but I don't blame that on him. I have no doubt that he's trying as hard as he can on that one, because he wants them dead as much as anybody.

And then there's the stuff whose truth is questionable. There's too much in that category to list.

I may not be a huge Bush fan, but most of this list just strikes me as vitrolic partisan ranting, which doesn't do anybody any good.

[TheSaint]

In related news... (http://drudgereport.com/matthb.htm) So it is sort of like the Stonecutters, except more drugs and no Steve Guttenburgh.

[RogueMartian]

I may not be a huge Bush fan, but most of this list just strikes me as vitrolic partisan ranting, which doesn't do anybody any good.
I disagree. It is an accurate resume on George Bush. Is it a little slanted? Yeah, but if you read the replies, a lot of people seem to enjoy it. As a liberal I laughed at every clinton joke ever made, especially the more accurate biting ones. If conservatives don't have a sense of humor that's a personal problem.

[Zach Logan]

I disagree. It is an accurate resume on George Bush. Is it a little slanted? Yeah, but if you read the replies, a lot of people seem to enjoy it. As a liberal I laughed at every clinton joke ever made, especially the more accurate biting ones. If conservatives don't have a sense of humor that's a personal problem.
That sums up exactly what I wanted to say :)

[Delthayre]

But they're not even good jokes.

[Xada-Hgla]

He might not have Osama Bin Laden and Sadaam Hussein (why should the list even care about that one when it obviously doesn't support the war in Iraq?), but I don't blame that on him. I have no doubt that he's trying as hard as he can on that one, because he wants them dead as much as anybody.
Just to comment on this, I don't blame Bush for not having bin Laden or Hussein either. What I do blame him for however, is going after Saddam when the US didn't couldn't confirm that bin Laden has been killed/captured. It smacks of the idea that Bush couldn't satisfactorily finish his commitment with bin Laden, so he's going after an "easier target" like Hussein to get an "easy victory" (By the way, we still can't locate either bin Laden or Hussein).

[MultipleSifl]

I think having no real proof on the deaths of either men smacks of "Look what we're doing over here! La la! Hey, American public, look at this bad guy instead of the bad stuff we're doing in this other place!".

[Volt]

LOL yea, i've said it before and iI'll say it again.

"It will take hundreds of years to clean up and fix what BUSH did in only 4 years"

[Zach Logan]

"Are you any better off today than you were 4 years ago?"

[Delthayre]

And I might add that I would like an inspiring president again. One with fire in him, one with moving eloquence and careful diction.

[Avery]

And I might add that I would like an inspiring president again. One with fire in him, one with moving eloquence and careful diction.

Amen to *that*.

And would it be too much to ask for an intellectual, as well?

[The Detective]

And I might add that I would like an inspiring president again. One with fire in him, one with moving eloquence and careful diction.
Are you trying to say that Clinton was that? *cue sarcastic laughter*

[Delthayre]

You really should be careful about defaulting to "Clinton sucks". He was a charismatic and gifted public speaker. Although, perhaps not quite inspiring.

I cannot speak on the quality of any other presidents in this regard as Clinton is the earliest one I have any genuine recollection of. Although I understand Reagan and Kennedy were both potent speakers.

[Lucky Bob]

Y'know, this has got to be the worst display of immaturity anywhere.

Step back for a minute, and realize what you all are doing.

You're taking an email forward posted on some other message board, and using it to create a knee-jerk Bush-bashing thread.

An email forward.

One step above discount Viagra ads.

If this were an article in a newspaper, or something, yeah, I could see where debate would come in.

But it's an email forward!

By the same token, Penny Brown is missing, Madelene Murray O'Hair is trying to get Touched By An Angel cancelled, and if you send this thread to 500 people, your dog will turn into a beautiful princess when you hit the space bar.

And what's even better, someone posted a rebuttal to the forward. Sure, it's biased, but then, so's this forward. At least the rebuttal makes an attempt to find information to back up its claims. Something this forward does not even try to do.

The rebuttal has only gotten one mention in this thread, and that was one of criticism.

And yet an uncredited email forward is treated as "accurate".

I'm not going to even try to refute this laughable email, since it's already been done. And it won't do much good, since its main purpose was "preaching to the choir" anyway.

But I must say that in all my time of debate here, I've never seen liberals given such a bad name. There are respectable ways of debating, and there are ways of getting a point across, but trumpeting an anonymous email forward isn't on that list. That just makes yourselves look childish.

I realize that all libs aren't like that, but still, it's pretty sad when a goodly portion of TZ's most prominent leftist thinkers endorse such a thing. I know y'all are smarter than that.

[Joe Wagner]

Not sure how I let this thread go unnoticed but apparently the thread has already fallen into a downward spiral of Bush bashing.

As for the "resume":


EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE
LAW ENFORCEMENT: I was arrested in Kennebunkport, Maine in 1976 for driving under the influence of alcohol. I pled guilty, paid a fine, and had my driver's license suspended for 30 days. My Texas driving record has been "lost" and is not available.

President Bush has admitted to having an addicition to alcohol and has also fought off his addiction by releasing he had a problem and working to remain free of alcohol. Also, it should be noted that he did pay the fine and served his suspension.


MILITARY: I joined the Texas Air National Guard and went AWOL. I refused to take a drug test or answer any questions about my drug use. By joining the Texas Air National Guard, I was able to avoid combat duty in Vietnam.

There is no proof that he ever went AWOL - however there is proof that he was discharged from service in order to attend college. It should also be noted that he served on the Texas border with Mexico at a time when the government was worried about extremists entering the US through largely unsupervised borders. I have also never seen any statements regarding drug tests and President Bush.


COLLEGE: I graduated from Yale University. I was a cheerleader.

Yale University is one of the most respected colleges in the US. I have never seen the claim that President Bush was a "cheerleader" although if true it's interesting that this should be singled out by a political party that continually reminds us about being tolerant to all.


PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:
I ran for U.S. Congress and lost.
I began my career in the oil business in Midland, Texas in 1975. I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas. The company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.
I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team in a sweetheart deal that took land using taxpayer money.
With the help of my father and our right-wing friends in the oil industry (including Enron CEO Ken Lay), I was elected Governor of Texas.

Funny that the company is still in existence today and he did not try to buy into the company but his oil company was bought out by the Harken Energy Corporation. Also, Harken restated their business earnings to the SEC and the value of their stock doubled by 1991 - hardly a bankruptcy. Also, Bush only owned 5% of the Texas Rangers baseball team and the stadium was funded after legislation was passed by the residents of Arlington that increased their sales tax to fund the project. This is similar to other stadiums where voters have agreed to help fund the newly built stadiums (Pittsburgh comes to mind).


ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS GOVERNOR:
I changed Texas pollution laws to favor power and oil companies, making Texas the most polluted state in the Union.
During my tenure, Houston replaced Los Angeles as the most smog-ridden city in America.
I cut taxes and bankrupted the Texas treasury to the tune of billions in borrowed money.
I set the record for the most executions by any Governor in American history.
With the help of my brother, the Governor of Florida, and my father's appointments to the Supreme Court, I
became President after losing by over 500,000 votes.

Fraid not - Texas dropped from first to fifth in pollution standards during Bush's Governatorial reign and Los Angeles was never surpassed in terms of smog pollution by Houston. Also, the Texas treasury was not bankrupted during his time in office and continues to have a surplus balance. As for the Presidential race - the Electorial College system does not operate only on popular vote but primarily on the popular vote of each state. Bush clearly won the state of Florida (without event counting the military votes that Al Gore sought to remove from the election) and therefore won the Presidency.


ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS PRESIDENT:
I invaded and occupied two countries at a continuing cost of over one billion dollars per week.

I don't believe that the cost is accurate here - especially when you remove the cost of military personnel who are being paid regardless of their station.


I spent the U.S. surplus and effectively bankrupted the U.S. Treasury.

Pretty tough to do when the surplus was merely the admitted misreporting of the financial records.


I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in U.S. history.

Yet not the record in percentage of GDP spent - as the government makes more money there is more money to spend. While the actual figure may be the largest the percentage is the indicating factor.

[QUOTE]I set an economic record for most private bankruptcies filed in any 12-month period.

Nope, although with the increase of population one could once again say that the numbers are greater. Perhaps someone should look at the percentage of the population that proclaims bankruptcy versus pure numbers.


I set the all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the U.S. stock market.

Nope, little thing called the Stock Market Crash would actually be the largest in terms of percentage of loss.


I am the first president in U.S. history to enter office with a criminal record.

Technically George Washington would have a criminal record as he was a traitor to the British monarchy. Also, Clinton entered office after admitting to possessing and smoking marijuna - an illegal offense in the US. While I'm not sure about the legitimacy of this claim I don't think it shows moral character.


I set the the all-time record for most days on vacation in any one year period.
After taking-off the entire month of August, I presided over the worst security failure in U.S.history.

All throughout August the President continued to work, including numerous speeches throughout Colorado, Wyoming and other states. Also, this was the time frame when Bush was preparing his education policies that would have originally been the focus of his speech on 9/11 - in no way did he take August off.


I am supporting development of a nuclear "Tactical Bunker Buster," a WMD.

This sounds like the MOAB which is not nuclear.


In my State Of The Union Address, I lied about our reasons for attacking Iraq, then blamed the lies on our British friends.

There has been no evidence that the claim was a lie and is still one that British intelligence stands by. Attributing the quote to the British intelligence (which was done in the speech) is not blaming it on someone else.


I set the record for most campaign fund-raising trips by a U.S. president.

Highly doubtful and one that I would like to see a shred of evidence for.


In my first year in office over 2-million Americans lost their jobs and that trend continues every month.

Except for last month where employment was up, and the month prior to that when the employment rate was also up. Apparently people forget about business trends and the cycle of employment people go through.


I set the all-time record for most foreclosures in a 12 month period.
I appointed more convicted criminals to administration than any president in U.S. history.

Evidence?


I set the record for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

The sole, legitimate claim of this entire resume.


I presided over the biggest energy crisis in U.S. history and refused to intervene when corruption involving the oil industry was revealed.

Except for when he pushed legislation through Congress that made accounting practices of corporations far tougher.


I presided over the highest gasoline prices in U.S. history.

Not unless his name is Jimmy Carter.


I have cut health care benefits for war veterans and support a cut in duty benefits for active duty troops and their families -- in war time.

Which would explain the billions of dollars being spent on goods and services for soldiers overseas and their family members.


I have set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously protest me in public venues (15 million people) shattering the record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

Once again - evidence? And can these claims be validated?


I've broken more international treaties than any president in U.S. history.

Evidence?


I'm proud that the members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in U.S. history. My"poorest millionaire," Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker named after her.

Didn't realize having money was a crime in the United States. Also, the tanker is owned by Enron, not Chevron.


I am the first president in U.S. history to order an unprovoked, pre-emptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation. I did so against the will of the United Nations, the majority of U.S.citizens, and the world community.

Nope, fraid not. Grenada was a pre-emptive action and Bosnia was as well. Today, there are still US troops stationed in Bosnia and there is no sign of them leaving. Also, around the start of the Iraq war some 60-70 percent of Americans agreed to the war - this is hardly a minority percentage. Add to that the numerous nations that went into battle and you hardly have the will of the international community saying no. Also, the will of the UN passed Resolution 1441 that stated action would be taken against Iraq if Saddam failed to comply.


I created the Ministry of Homeland Security, the largest bureaucracy in the history of the United States government.
I am the first president in U.S. history to have the United Nations remove the U.S. from the Human Rights Commission.
I withdrew the U.S. from the World Court of Law.
I refused to allow inspectors access to U.S. "prisoners of war" (detainees) and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.
I am the first president in history to refuse United Nations election inspectors (during the 2002 U.S. election).
I am the all-time U.S. and world record-holder for receiving the most corporate campaign donations.

Firstly, as randomguy pointed out, this is the Department of Homeland Security. The US was never a full member of the World Court as the legislation was agreed to by Clinton but never passed through Congress - when a deal could not be reached the would protect US troops from political trials the US choose to not recognize the court, which is our right as a sovereign nation. It should be noted that nations like the UK and others have agreements that their troops will not be tried in these world courts. The terrorists in Cuba have not be classified as prisioners of war and therefore the Geneva Convention does not apply. Also, election inspectors were allowed to review the results and I would like to see proof about the "corporate campaign donations" claim.


My largest lifetime campaign contributor, and one of my best friends, Kenneth Lay, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in U.S. history. My political party used the Enron private jets and corporate attorneys to assure my success with the U.S. Supreme Court during my election decision. I have protected my friends at Enron and Halliburton against investigation or prosecution. More time and money was spent investigating the Monica Lewinsky affair than has been spent investigating one of the biggest corporate ripoffs in history.

Not sure about the use of Enron resources as I have never heard the claim nor about the financial contributions of Ken Lay. However, it should be noted that all of Enron's financial misdeeds were performed under the Clinton administration - not the Bush administration.


I garnered the most sympathy for the U.S. after the World Trade Center attacks and less than a year later made the U.S. the most hated country in the world, the largest failure of diplomacy in world history.

Which would seem to indicate there was no anti-American feeling prior to 9/11 which is quite simply not the case.


I am first president in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

And a recent poll around the EU found that Israel was actually the biggest threat to world peace and security - not the United States. Interestingly enough both the US and Israel are democracies while other despotic nations like North Korea were further down the list and others didn't make the list at all.


I changed the U.S. policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government contracts.

I would like to see proof of this but I seriously doubt any exists.


I have so far failed to fulfill my pledge to bring Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein to justice.

And we have not retreated from either Iraq or Afghanistan and continue to launch operations that search for these two individuals. This is hardly a failure.


RECORDS AND REFERENCES:
All records of my tenure as Governor of Texas are now in my father's library, sealed, and unavailable for public view.
All records of SEC investigations into my insider trading and my bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.
All records or minutes from meetings that I, or my Vice-President, attended regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.

Records regarding Bush's time as Governor and SEC investigations should be available according to the Freedom of Information Act (unless otherwise sealed by a judge). The SEC has also released many documents pertaining to the Harken investigation and the records regarding Governor Bush can easily be found online. Also, as President, he may determine that revealing minutes from meetings with energy officials may damage national security or the ability for these businesses to conduct business although it should be noted that the Department of Energy has a PDF available containing the Bush Administrations energy policy.


Please consider my experience when voting in 2004.

One should consider Bush's record during the 2004 election - including the removal of a terrorist base in Afghanistan, the removal of a terrorist sponsoring dictator in Iraq, wide spread tax cuts that have given billions of dollars back to American citizens and ignited the economy, military support that helped the citizens of Liberia end a civil war and work to establish a new government, stronger ties with Eastern European nations like Poland and Hungary as well as Australia (where we are currently working on a free trade agreement), the establishment of a Department of Homeland Security and improved communication between the CIA and FBI and his continued campaign to improve the US education system.

After all, it's easy to create a document that seeks to bash President Bush - it's harder to actually support the document with true facts that one can find and decide for themselves.

-Joe!

[The Detective]

Joe is here Joe is here Joe is here...... ;)

[Volt]

Uhm well, i think it's gone far beyond just an e-mail. We're now questioning our president. And of course if you and all of us step back and look at all that's been hapening while he's been in office, it's been rough.



"Are you any better off today than you were 4 years ago?"
What do you mean...Seeing how Bush's actions haven't affected me that much doesn't mean they won't in the future...
-Light a stick of Dynomite, see it doesn't affect you, it's just lit that's all...Stick around for a while & you'll end up in hundreds of peices.-

Another thing...Yes i'm getting a little sick of this, If i were i mod i'd probably close this thread....Bush lovers love Bush, and Bush haters Hate Bush...This thread is doing nothing to contribute to the comunity. (Volt checks watch) anytime now rocks are going to fly, and things are going to get offensive.

But really If BUSH was NOT in office all the Soldeirs he sent to Iraq wouldn't have died, and many of his side effects wouldn't exhist today. So really??? I can't tell, the USA is now what...in BILLIONS of dollars of debt, you make the chioce. It's all up to how you see it. I'm just saying...I sure as HECK am not contributing any of MY tax dollars to pay for what HE wanted to do...

(Seems there weren't any weapons of mass destruction in the first place) If we're going to talk about it, let's stay mature ...well i don't know, this post of mine is going to get a lot of reply's...Like i said this is all MY OPINION...I don't HATE bush i just don't agree with his decisions... If you like Bush that's okay, I don't see you as Stupid or anything...Everyone is entitled to their opinion...

[RogueMartian]

Joe is here Joe is here Joe is here...... ;)
Shoot! you beat me to it. Joe and Bob come to defend our fearless leader.

[Proto DUDE]

"Are you any better off today than you were 4 years ago?"

That basically just the best "shut up" to political arguements about presidents. Ever. Next time my friend Max is getting into a political arguement with me, I'll say that.

[randomguy]

I disagree. It is an accurate resume on George Bush. Is it a little slanted? Yeah, but if you read the replies, a lot of people seem to enjoy it. As a liberal I laughed at every clinton joke ever made, especially the more accurate biting ones. If conservatives don't have a sense of humor that's a personal problem.

1.) It is most definitely not accurate, as Joe, reliably, demonstrates.

2.) It's not funny. I can laugh at Bush and right-wing jokes just as much as anybody (I loved Al Franken's latest book), but this list doesn't qualify as humor. There's that element to it, but it's largely legitimate criticism... or an attempt at legitimate criticism. I don't think it's intended to be a "joke" e-mail. A list of Bush's verbal stutters would qualify as that... and I'd laugh at it.


And what's even better, someone posted a rebuttal to the forward. Sure, it's biased, but then, so's this forward. At least the rebuttal makes an attempt to find information to back up its claims. Something this forward does not even try to do.

I posted one because I felt I had to. I realize that an e-mail forward inherently lacks of credibility, but there are people who would immediately buy into this stuff, so I felt like I had to say something.

No hard feelings to anyone.

[Drachentöter]

If a satirical news article mocking Bill Clinton's "scandal :eek: " were linked, no one would claim it's against the rules.

That said, the resume is a slanted piece of satire which cannot be the sole basis of a decision toward Bush.

THAT said, many of the points it raises are valid, especially when it comes to his arrival into office. But if you needed a list to spell out what he's done wrong, there's no hope for you.

Clinton >>>>> Bush

[Zach Logan]

I agree with VortexInfinite on this. This is just a peice of satire which makes fun of Bush for the purpose of making fun of Bush. They wrote it because it may appear humorous to some (myself included). I know, and most know there are flaws in there, and the article is just a satire. It is just a bit of irrelevent political humor. Don't take it so seriously.

[TheSaint]

Clinton >>>>> Bush God>Reagan>>>>>>Bush >>>>>>>>Clinton>Reporters



Man I love equations.

[Zach Logan]

God>Reagan>>>>>>Bush >>>>>>>>Clinton>Reporters



Man I love equations.
Your equation sucks

God>>>>Clinton>>>>>>>>>>>>Reagan>>>>>>>>>>Satan>>>>>>>>>>>Bush>Reporters

[Tienshin]

All of the equations suck.

And this thread is now officially stupid and useless.

Who would have thought that could happen?

[Zach Logan]

*raises hand*
This thread was bound to go into this direction because I posted here.

*sulks*

[TheSaint]

This thread was bound to go into this direction because I posted here. I'm glad you know how you fit in this world.

[Zach Logan]

I'm glad you know how you fit in this world.
Now all I'm waiting is for you to admit how much of a jackass and dumbass you are...at least i can admit that I am not at all funny.

[TheSaint]

Now all I'm waiting is for you to admit how much of a jackass and dumbass you are...at least i can admit that I am not at all funny. Oooh geting testy are we?

[Xada-Hgla]

All right, people are beginning to take this little piece of satire (and other people's opinions of it) way too seriously. Look, I know there are people out there who just love Dubya. I'm not one of them. Therefore, I found his "resumé" to be funny. Hell, I've been told to "get a life" for openly saying I hate Bush. Do I take that personally? Nope. Neither should anyone else.

There are those out there who support him, and therefore, probably wouldn't find this amusing in the least. That's their prerogative, and I don't find fault with them for that. I'll admit however, I wonder why anyone would like him, given his track record. But ultimately, I'm not the guy who has the final say.

[Delthayre]

Oooh getiing (sic) testy are we?

Well you do act like a self important idiot, seldom contribute anything substantial to a discussion, and you idea of political discussion seems to be throwing around snarkly lines which are the equivalent of the Bush Resume that set this all off.

You often seem unabashedly yet unsubstantiatedly conservative. You politics would seem dictated by your ideology, essentially you behave a pure partisan and little more.

So yeah, you're starting to become bothersome.

And I'd swear "More of That Fun-Fun Bush Hating Propaganda" wasn't part of the thread title in the beginning. Real cute.

[Joe Wagner]

Hey guys - everybody needs to simply take a second, calm down and not start launching personal attacks on each other. Everyone has the right to state their personal opinion on the matter and should not be judged primarily because of their political opinion. I think that more people should be concerned with showing how the resume or statements made are inaccurate and not engaging in the vitrol that this thread is quickly becoming. So let's please try and return to the topic and not allow this thread to be closed because of needless and unwanted flamebait.

-Joe!

[JohnCrichton]

Thanks for taking the time to jump in, Wagner!

I look forward to seeing what my friends have to say about your rebutte.

[Lucky Bob]

If a satirical news article mocking Bill Clinton's "scandal :eek: " were linked, no one would claim it's against the rules.

That said, the resume is a slanted piece of satire which cannot be the sole basis of a decision toward Bush.

THAT said, many of the points it raises are valid, especially when it comes to his arrival into office. But if you needed a list to spell out what he's done wrong, there's no hope for you.

Clinton >>>>> Bush
This email hardly qualifies as an "article". And I don't even trust email forwards about Clinton. Forwards, in my opinion, are the fuzzy green toejam of the internet that must be eradicated before the fungus eats the minds of AOL users everywhere. http://forums.toonzone.net/images/smilies/wink.gif And, again, before claiming its "validity", you might want to check what some of the others took a lot of time to write to the contrary. Remember, good satire has to have an element of truth to it. Otherwise, it's just your average "yuk yuk".



And I'd swear "More of That Fun-Fun Bush Hating Propaganda" wasn't part of the thread title in the beginning. Real cute.

It was. I was here.

[Drachentöter]

And, again, before claiming its "validity", you might want to check what some of the others took a lot of time to write to the contrary. Remember, good satire has to have an element of truth to it. Otherwise, it's just your average "yuk yuk".

As I said, I think the list raises SOME good (i.e: truthful) points. Not everything in there is fiction or exaggerated. Bush actually has a record of bad judgment and has done things that have led us into a precarious state of affairs. If you can't see that, then this thread will lead nowhere, just as expected.

[RogueMartian]

The satirical resume does have a lot of good facts and is good for a laugh. Nobody should be upset by it and nobody should get into flame wars over it. Whether people like it or not, Bush is not a little angel. He has done some bad things in his life. So have most people. Admittedly that little flare up there was pretty bad, I've seen people take quick shots and say j/k or something, but those were just mean. I wouldn't be opposed to this thread being shut down. It's going nowhere, because some people seem to have no sense of humor. It's their loss.


Your equation sucks

God>>>>Clinton>>>>>>>>Reagan>>>>>>>>>>Satan>>>>>>>>>>>Bush>Reporters
Um...I'm a reporter...for real, i have worked for newspapers.
;)
That being said, it's true, reporters suck. The good ones are boring and don't uncover the scandals they should and the rest either spend all their time praising Dubya or on some stupid trial like kobe bryant. The REALLY bad ones are like Jayson Blair, Stephen Glass, Janet Cooke, and Patricia Smith.

[Delthayre]

I think I snapped on this because I've just seen too much stupidity and pettiness from people apparently on my side of the aisle (I almost wrote "isle"). I just can't take this **** anymore. This nonsensical resume may win a cheap laugh from one person or another, but in the end it doesn't advance discourse and it just feeds delusions.

Maybe in another time I could have enjoyed this, but in a world where irresponsible, ash-brained wretches like Ann Coulter and Michael Moore are representative of the state of public discourse, I just can't ****ing take it anymore.

Yep, I've bloody damn snapped.

[Lucky Bob]

The satirical resume does have a lot of good facts and is good for a laugh. Nobody should be upset by it and nobody should get into flame wars over it. Whether people like it or not, Bush is not a little angel. He has done some bad things in his life. So have most people. Admittedly that little flare up there was pretty bad, I've seen people take quick shots and say j/k or something, but those were just mean. I wouldn't be opposed to this thread being shut down. It's going nowhere, because some people seem to have no sense of humor. It's their loss.Nobody's saying he's an angel, but we are saying that most of these things are either untrue, or oversimplifications for a quick laugh. Hence, unfunny.

And if anyone finds email forwards funny, I think they've lost something in their lives, too.

(DISCLAIMER: The preceeding paragraph was meant to be humorous in a "just kidding" kind of way. Anyone who takes offense to it is a grinch with no sense of humor. Their loss.)

To paraphrase another member, this thread is Mickey Mouse, lock it to Hades.

[RogueMartian]

Nobody's saying he's an angel, but we are saying that most of these things are either untrue, or oversimplifications for a quick laugh. Hence, unfunny.
*sigh* Bob, man, you and Delthayre just completely missed the point.

Not to mention, whether or not you agree with all of Joe W's statements about the resume really depends on which way you lean. I found most of that resume to be simplified, but very accurate. Which is WHY it was so funny. Had the resume been on Clinton or Howard Dean or John Kerry I have no doubt that you and Delthyre would be laughing your heads off and telling liberals to lighten up. It's possible I'd have taken Joe's place on the liberal side in correcting the "resume". Though I probably wouldn't have. I didn't take it seriously enough to even bother going into a debate with Joe about what he said. But apparently several other people have. But instead of admitting that our president has screwed up and been a moron from time to time (as many presidents and leaders, conservative and liberal alike have) Delthyre's going into tears over Michael Moore and you are still seething over it. It's really quite sad.

Once again, Lighten Up.

[Lucky Bob]

*sigh* Bob, man, you and Delthayre just completely missed the point.

Not to mention, whether or not you agree with all of Joe W's statements about the resume really depends on which way you lean. I found most of that resume to be simplified, but very accurate. Which is WHY it was so funny. Had the resume been on Clinton or Howard Dean or John Kerry I have no doubt that you and Delthyre would be laughing your heads off and telling liberals to lighten up. It's possible I'd have taken Joe's place on the liberal side in correcting the "resume". Though I probably wouldn't have. I didn't take it seriously enough to even bother going into a debate with Joe about what he said. But apparently several other people have. But instead of admitting that our president has screwed up and been a moron from time to time (as many presidents and leaders, conservative and liberal alike have) Delthyre's going into tears over Michael Moore and you are still seething over it. It's really quite sad.

Once again, Lighten Up.
Actually, I wouldn't laugh at Clinton forwards, either. Momma taught me never to laugh at dirty stories. http://forums.toonzone.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Joe Wagner]

*sigh* Bob, man, you and Delthayre just completely missed the point.

Not to mention, whether or not you agree with all of Joe W's statements about the resume really depends on which way you lean. I found most of that resume to be simplified, but very accurate. Which is WHY it was so funny. Had the resume been on Clinton or Howard Dean or John Kerry I have no doubt that you and Delthyre would be laughing your heads off and telling liberals to lighten up. It's possible I'd have taken Joe's place on the liberal side in correcting the "resume". Though I probably wouldn't have. I didn't take it seriously enough to even bother going into a debate with Joe about what he said. But apparently several other people have. But instead of admitting that our president has screwed up and been a moron from time to time (as many presidents and leaders, conservative and liberal alike have) Delthyre's going into tears over Michael Moore and you are still seething over it. It's really quite sad.

Once again, Lighten Up.

I don't think that the statements are truly reflective of a given political affiliation so much as they should be based upon actual evidence and choosing not to acknowledge the inaccuracies of the "resume" is how these myths are allowed to become unsubstantiated fact. If this was a resume for President Clinton, Carter, Reagan or Roosevelt I would still want to know the factual information that is being allegdedly satirized. The problem with the "resume" is that it doesn't seek to satirize Bush - it wants to be presented as a talking points of such that shows Bush's failings while in office but it does this by altering and misrepresenting truthful information and creating patently false information.

Although I consider myself a conservative there are many issues that I would disagree with President Bush on - the passing of the recent Medicare bill and our continually changing policies toward Israel being two of these issues. Considered and accurate criticism can be made of President Bush - much like it could be made of all prior administrations - but decidedly altering information to do such a thing creates a loss of all credibility for the author and limits the ability for two individuals to engage in a reasoned discussion.

-Joe!

[Delthayre]

*sigh* Bob, man, you and Delthayre just completely missed the point.

Not to mention, whether or not you agree with all of Joe W's statements about the resume really depends on which way you lean. I found most of that resume to be simplified, but very accurate. Which is WHY it was so funny. Had the resume been on Clinton or Howard Dean or John Kerry I have no doubt that you and Delthyre would be laughing your heads off and telling liberals to lighten up. It's possible I'd have taken Joe's place on the liberal side in correcting the "resume". Though I probably wouldn't have. I didn't take it seriously enough to even bother going into a debate with Joe about what he said. But apparently several other people have. But instead of admitting that our president has screwed up and been a moron from time to time (as many presidents and leaders, conservative and liberal alike have) Delthyre's going into tears over Michael Moore and you are still seething over it. It's really quite sad.

Once again, Lighten Up.

A few corrections of apparent misconceptions.
1. I am a liberal, born and bred. I'm not precisely comfortable with it, but regardless, I'm actually on your side of the aisle.

2. I might laugh at a Kerry resume since he's become such a farcical parody of himself, but by and large, I universally disdain this sort of stuff.

3. I'm not in tears over Michael Moore et al, I'm in frustrated scowls over them.

4. Please don't use the " it's really quite sad," line or any variation thereof. Feigned pity is the lowest form of insult.

This faux-resume is a bunch of fallacies, convenient fantasies, and distortions. Regardless of the accuracy of individual statements, it's so witless and bereft of insight that it's useless. It isn't satire or parody. It's just simpleminded self-satisfaction through mutual loathing. Liberals have got to stop indulging in garbage like this, it makes them look almost as wretched as power-mad conservative pundits try to paint them.

[Zach Logan]

Heh, this has become a thread where we are discussing our own views, which is still fun. I, like Joe Wagner, am a strong supporter of Israel, but unlike Joe, I am a liberal, not a complete liberal, as I see myself supporting some conservative ideals such as their position against Affermative Action, but I strongly dislike Mr. Bush.


Although I consider myself a conservative there are many issues that I would disagree with President Bush on - the passing of the recent Medicare bill and our continually changing policies toward Israel being two of these issues. Considered and accurate criticism can be made of President Bush - much like it could be made of all prior administrations - but decidedly altering information to do such a thing creates a loss of all credibility for the author and limits the ability for two individuals to engage in a reasoned discussion.
I agree with you on most accounts versus Bush, but for different reasons. You may think the medicare bill was bad because of the money placed into it (as most mainstream right wingers do), liberals like myself think it was a handout to perscription and insurance companies. I agree with a Liberal talk show host who said "I am a liberal first and a Democrat second." I do think this is true with myself as well. Although Liberman is Jewish, and I'd probably like him as a person, hes too far right as a candidate for me, as are some of the other condidates in the 2004 election. I want to be an independent thinker, I think of myself as a left winged liberal, but I share some views on both sides. I want this country to become more progressive as we leave the reformation of the Civil Rights Movement of the mid 20th century.

Now here is an interesting historical paralell to today: The Panic of 1819 and the John Q. Adams administration is literally another version of the Bush administration. Here is why:
1) Andrew Jackson, who ran against Adams (The son of a former president) WON the POPULAR vote, but LOST the ELECTORAL vote.
2) Jackson's loss in the 1824 election soon formed a schism in the Democratic-Republican party. Adams' supporters became Whigs who later formed the Republican Party we know today, and Andrew Jackson's supporters formed the Democratic Party.
3) Adams was the son of a President, he lost a second term. His father was unpopular, and had a congress that supported him, but his was the last congress that was like that. After Adams lost in 1800, the congress also lost Adams supporters (Federalists) and soon was filled by President Jefferson and the Jeffersonian Republicans.
4) Quincy Adams was also somewhat unpopular

There are some differences, but for the most part I find this historical parallel scary...

I went off on a tanget...

[jrh31584]

The Panic of 1819 predates the J.Q. Adams administration by 5 years. It is interesting to note that in the presidential election immediately following, 1820, was the most lopsided since Washington was elected unanimously. Also, Andrew Jackson won the popular and electoral votes, but as he did not have a majority of electoral votes, it was decided by the House of Representatives. Henry Clay's supporters backed Adams, allowing him to win the election. Adams made Clay Secretary of State, supposedly in return for securing him the election, in what is often called the Corrupt Bargain.