"The Matrix Revolutions" Talkback (Spoilers)

[The Penguin]

Everything that has a beginning has an end.
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"Welcome back Mr. Anderson. We... missed you." - Agent Smith

Release Date: November 5, 2003 (Theatrical & IMAX release)
Studio: Warner Bros.
Director: Andy Wachowski, Larry Wachowski
Starring: Keanu Reeves, Laurence Fishburne, Carrie-Anne Moss, Hugo Weaving, Monica Bellucci, Daniel Bernhardt, Jada Pinkett Smith, Matt McColm, Harold Perrineau Jr., Harry Lennix, Stuart Wells

Plot Summary: In "The Matrix Revolutions," the final chapter in the "Matrix" trilogy, the rebels' long quest for freedom culminates in a final explosive battle. As the Machine Army wages devastation on Zion, its citizens mount an aggressive defense -- but can they stave off the relentless swarm of Sentinels long enough for Neo to harness the full extent of his powers and end the war?

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As the clock strikes midnight, it is November 5, 2003; the release date of the final chapter in The Matrix trilogy—The Matrix Revolutions. Talk about it here!



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[The Falcon]

*rocks back and forth in office chair impatiently*

wait! i don't have school tomorrow! maybe there's a matinee time???

*goes over to local theater web site*

Falcon

[MAXIMUS]

goin tommorrow 12 show imax ooohhhh yeeeeeahhhhh

[Dr Kain]

I've got my tickets for 11am today. Told all my morning class teachers I wouldn't be coming to class today.

[Batmex]

at 9:30 pm tonight.........the end will come for me at last!

[Icer]

Saw it.
It was great, I didnt expect too much and I came out very surprised. The mech vs sentinel scene was amazing.
5/5

[czyznyck99]

The Czyz-nit on The Matrix Revolutions

Warning: the following review is not a positive one. So to Matrix fans that think all three movies define life, you’re in for a rude awakening.

Neo wakes up in a train station, stuck between the real world and the matrix. And he can’t leave. Not by himself. And some ugly looking trainman tells him so. Is it any wonder that he is working for the Frenchman that makes no sense? So Trinity makes him an offer, free Neo, or everyone dies. Of course the Frenchman has to look like a total coward, and so Neo is back.

Neo goes to the new Oracle. Something about having a new shell. Whatever, but it’ll do. Apparently, the eyes are the same. Question answered with questions for five minutes, until Neo just says “Smith” out of the blue. Well, we can pretty much fast forward to the last twenty minutes, as it will no doubt be Neo vs. Smith, Round 3. But I didn’t download this one, so I get to catch up on my sleep in the theater.

But what’s this? Agent Smith breaks in after Neo goes out. And absorbs the Oracle into his being. Yep, he’s screwed now.

Back in the real world, two ships are trying to decide their next move. Neo decides that he has to go to machine city. For what, no one knows. I’m telling you, just fast forward to the last twenty minutes, just like Reloaded, and it’ll make sense. Everyone thinks he’s nuts, even though he is the One (or the Phoenix, take your pick). Ultimately, only him and Trinity go to the city on Niobi’s ship.

What follows is a 40 minute ass-kicking of Zion by the machines. Yep, that’s all that happened. Talk about filler. Reloaded told us this was going to happen when the Architect played his hand. I guess WB wanted to unload the rest of their budget for this film on special effects just for the heck of it. And people wonder why they can’t make a superhero movie…

Meanwhile, human Smith (as Bain) woke up, killed a doctor, snuck aboard Neo’s ship, and fries his eyes out. ½ star for finally justifying the R rating, and actually having a purpose in the film. But minus 1212 points for style. “Seeing the light?” At least Neo didn’t patronize us all by saying “Smith” in the real world. And I still find it cool that Smith says “Mr. Anderson,” even though it’s the only positive link to the first movie. (Other positive things, like storytelling, conservative special effects with a purpose, were thrown out with the first movie.)

The other ship, with Morpheus and Niobi, finally get back to Zion, and use the EMP to fry every machine in the city, and kill their own entire defense system. Oops. As if on cue, a bigger wave of sentinels come in to finish Zion. I’m rooting for the sentinels.

Trinity and Neo plunge deep into the machine city, and even take a brief moment to go above the clouds. Had to happen sometime, I suppose. Eventually, they take a plunge into an area. The shockwave sends about four metal rods into Trin. Trinity dies. And Neo cries like a baby. Takes away his entire purpose for being around, now, so I guess he has to die saving the world. At least Trinity and Neo didn’t have sex for three and a half minutes. I still think that’s longer than most people have in this country, though.

And for those of you who took my advice and decided to nap, this is probably where you should wake up. The conscious of the machines makes a deal with Neo: Stop Smith (who controls the entire Matrix now) from destroying everything, or the machines will destroy Zion before Smith destroys them. Hence, the “Superman” fight. They both flew, they both punch each other ridiculously far, they should some pavement, broke some glass, the usual. If WB ever runs out of money to make a Superman film, this is the sole reason. Because they already did the final fight scene, as far as I am concerned.

Anyway, Neo gets his ass handed to him, but he won’t stay down. And the Oracle inside Smith puts doubt into his head. Smith is livid. Then Neo lets Smith reprogram him, so now Smith is literally Neo. And that turns out to be Smith’s fatal flaw. Because just like the first film, it allows Neo to completely rip apart Smith from the inside out. For a self-evolving AI, Smith is really dumb.

So the war is over, and “insignificant kid” yells that to everyone. And no one believes him at first. Should have thrown some objects at him, or push him off the temple. And the sun rises on a happy ending…

…but Matrix Revolutions gets a thumbs way down from me. Definitely the weakest of all three. There was really only one shocker here (Trinity‘s death), much like Reloaded. The comparison that Agent Smith is the opposite of Neo is somewhat mundane because it pretty much tells what the last fight of the movie is going to be thirty minutes in. And the first two films pretty much honed that in. The same thing I said about Reloaded applies here, in that taking the last portion of the movie would be more than enough. The Matrix was an engaging, and thought-provoking film. These two duds were just beat-em-ups. And I expected better from the Brothers W, especially after the very good Animatrix. I have a bad feeling that the whole point of the Matrix as a trilogy was to succeed Star Wars. But I never saw Star Wars, so I don’t know. But I’m betting that there are at least two Return of the Jedi references in there somewhere. I’ll let the fan boys find them. Because they’ll enjoy this movie. I hated it.

1 star, not for the special effects, but for special effects that had no point.

Later.

[ShadowWolf]

The Czyz-nit on The Matrix Revolutions

Warning: the following review is not a positive one.


Now there's a surprise, a negative review by you. I never would have guessed :rolleyes:

[GL2k2]

Well, I'm kinda glad that's over. I'm done with the Matrix until we get a good box set collection.

Basically, it was a little much on special effects, and not enough on story like I anticipated. Nothing can possibly beat the original, but I will say it was better than Reloaded. I went into this thinking it would be worse than Reloaded, but it surprised. Plenty of action, and that's what I wanted. An end all action sequence. But it just got to the point where I was looking at my watch after awhile. I think they kinda just dragged it out longer than it should have been. I remember the first Matrix was pretty short in comparison to the sequels. I may be wrong. Oh well, like I said, glad that's over with. Personally can't wait for "Return of the King".

[czyznyck99]

Now there's a surprise, a negative review by you. I never would have guessed :rolleyes:

I only put that warning up there so that people like you who just want to insult me can skip over my review. But I guess it didn't work. Can't turn away the fans, can I?

And for once, I am actually in the majority.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheMatrixRevolutions-1127201/

Later.

[Lord Dalek]

Well, for a "bloated, incomprehensible mess" (Willamette Week), that was pretty good. The ending did feel a bit obvious considering the massive references the Wachowskis throw into this series, but it did make sense. 4/5 (can't top the first one, but better than the second).

[Morpheus]

I only put that warning up there so that people like you who just want to insult me can skip over my review. But I guess it didn't work. Can't turn away the fans, can I?

And for once, I am actually in the majority.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/TheMatrixRevolutions-1127201/

Later.

I am in the Minority, I guess. I liked this a whole lot.

[Evil Dr. Reef]

Well, for a "bloated, incomprehensible mess" (Willamette Week), that was pretty good. The ending did feel a bit obvious considering the massive references the Wachowskis throw into this series, but it did make sense. 4/5 (can't top the first one, but better than the second).
That pretty much summed it up for me. Got back from Revolutions this morning, and I was pleased. Very pleased. Except for the ending. All loose ends are tied up, almost everything is answered, but it just ends so quickly, that it had me going "WTF?" in the theater. It was like I was on a rollercoaster, and halfway down a hill, they stopped the train and said "Thanks for riding, now get off". Otherwise, a great conclusion to a spectacular trilogy. 4/5 stars.

[ClockStomper]

I'm just going to pretend The Matrix was a great stand alone film with no sequels. And these last two movies with the Matrix moniker were entertaining but brainless action films.

[Dr Kain]

This movie kicked ass!! I loved it, and will see as many times I can before LotR. I'm not sure which I like better, Reloaded or this one because they are both great. Reloaded had most of its scenes in the matrix, while this one was mostly in the real world. The final battle was excellent, and I didn't expect most of the things that happened to happen. This was a great way to skip school, but the movie went by way too quick.

I give the movie a 100000/10 Stars.

Did anyone else think Morpheus was going to die and Trinity live?

[MAXIMUS]

It kicked ass on soo many levels i cant even name, and once people watch it a few more times and analyze they too will see these movies are cinematic history. I dont care what others think, sure some of the acting was dry but damn the whole end of the movie kicked ass. Ill see this a few more times.

[Icer]

It was so good, that when my friend called me up and said "want to go see Matrix 3", I said sure. (Having already seen it)

I've never done that before, ever.

[Dr Kain]

I have a bad feeling that the whole point of the Matrix as a trilogy was to succeed Star Wars. But I never saw Star Wars, so I don’t know. But I’m betting that there are at least two Return of the Jedi references in there somewhere. I’ll let the fan boys find them. Because they’ll enjoy this movie. I hated it.

1 star, not for the special effects, but for special effects that had no point.

Later.

No offense, but you can find a SW reference in every movie. God, I just saw this commercial for this dvd series with the rejects of SW. I think it was called Battlestar Galiga.

Anyway, I think the Matrix Trilogy is 10000 times better than every SW movie ever!

[John6777]

Anyway, I think the Matrix Trilogy is 10000 times better than every SW movie ever!

I agree because the matrix is basically our Generation Star Wars. What Star Wars was to my parents , matrix is to me. But Ofcourse i can say the same about Lord of the rings.

[Avery]

I *weep* for the awesomeness of this movie. Sweet zombie jesus, was it good . . . the Zion scene had me terrified. I was clinging to my boyfreind and going all "Oh no! I can't look!" The Agent Smith fight was just . . . gyeh. Four stars, casue poor Trinity had to deliver a few cornball lines.

[Charlie]

It was alright. Not as good as the first, better than the 2nd, it was pretty decent 4 out of 5. I would have given it that .5 higher, but for some reason, the theater I went to had some kids (who I had no idea how they got in there since they where like 10 years old) who started laughing really loud (if you havn't seen the movie, don't read this next part... seriously, despite it being cencored) when they showed what happened to Trinity when she and Neo crashed at the Machine City. Other than that little gripe, it was good. And the fight for Zion part was awsome, I swear, I almost got a heart attack when (not sure if this is a spoiler, but what the hell) the Seekers where all swarming around.

I loved it, but it could have been better, such as the dialog...

[Edit Number 2] Just out of curiosity, but did anyone catch the Jesus/Bible refrence at the end?


[Edited to fix some grammer.]

[Sigma]

I enjoyed it. I thought it was better then Reloaded. Revolutions however wasn't as good as say, Kill Bill (one of my favorite movies released this year). Would I watch Revolutions again? Yes, Would I pay to see in theaters again? No. I will just wait for the DVD release before watching it again. I give it a 3.5 out of 5.

[Tracer]

I just came back from the movie and I still don't get it. I was really hoping for a better explaination of what happened at the end of reloaded and it never came, or rather it came in the form of "Neo is God, Smith enter our world, accept it and move on." then it got worse cause god can affect the machines of both worlds but can't figure out how to get out of a train station and can the the crap knocked out of him by someone with less than 10 mins of screen time.

I agree there were some incredible fight scenes but ALL of them lasted way too long, I felt bored when I should have been excited.

and did anyone feel drowned in symbolism and metaphors?

And last but certainly not least, what what with them carring off Neo like a fallen king. I did not get the impression that they were thankful or respected him. I got a deal is a deal and they backed off.

I really thought of the two epic movies (This and Star Wars) this would have the easier time wrapping up loose ends and ending the story cleanly, only cause we are one movie from where the SW legend began and we don't seem much closer to that point than we were at the end on Ep 1. Well this race may finish in a tie.

I gave it a reluctant 2 stars

[batman_batman]

I'm just going to pretend The Matrix was a great stand alone film with no sequels. And these last two movies with the Matrix moniker were entertaining but brainless action films.

yup, i agree with you.
they just threw the sequels together to make money. which is fine. reloaded was better. they just don't make em like they used to.

[Ben]

Hmmm...

People are saying this movie has stiff and corny dialogue, poor to mediocre acting, too much talking in the first half and not enough in the second half, predictable philosophical climax that took too few risks...

And all these things are true.

But the movie pulled me in. It made me forget that the good guys always win and bite my fingers wondering if Niobe and Morpheus would make it, or if Neo would beat Bain, or for that matter Smith in the matrix.

Oh, Smith. That fight was incredible.

And so much anime influence readily apparant in this one. The final fight was basically DBZ except good, and the destruction of the Smiths was like Evangelion except, again, good. Seamless integration of the cgi and live actors, and a live fight in mid-air. And the sheer number of good shots in the film had me in awe. I want a poster of every frame of that final fight. Neo and Smith fighting outside as we look over the heads of the Smiths lined up in the skyscraper, Smith with the lightening behind him, and the rain, oh the rain! So brilliantly used. And the Mexican standoff in the Merovingian club. Bam bam bam bam bam! Also glad we saw more of Seraph. Although I really, really missed Gloria Foster, who was by far the best actor in the franchise.

A beautiful, beautiful movie. For their next movie the Wachowskis need to find themselves a writer or two (I'm thinking Neal Stephenson), and then we will have perfection.

[Terminatah]

This was a beautiful movie, and I really liked it, but what the hell was that ending? I can accept what happened, but the closure is incomplete without the humans actually taking back the planet. This really was a revolution.

I should point out that the only way to see The Matrix Revolutions is immediately after having seen The Matrix Reloaded. They are basically one movie.

-Terminatah

[Dr Kain]

UM, they got peace, and they should be lucky at that. Hell, all the humans should be dead now. If I was the machine lord, I would've said screw you.

I love the architects line at the end when the Oracle asks if he will keep his word:

"Do you take me for a human?"

Ouch, that had to hurt, but is so true.

[GL2k2]

It was alright. Not as good as the first, better than the 2nd, it was pretty decent 4 out of 5. I would have given it that .5 higher, but for some reason, the theater I went to had some kids (who I had no idea how they got in there since they where like 10 years old) who started laughing really loud (if you havn't seen the movie, don't read this next part... seriously, despite it being cencored) when they showed what happened to Trinity when she and Neo crashed at the Machine City. Other than that little gripe, it was good. And the fight for Zion part was awsome, I swear, I almost got a heart attack when (not sure if this is a spoiler, but what the hell) the Seekers where all swarming around.

I loved it, but it could have been better, such as the dialog...

[Edit Number 2] Just out of curiosity, but did anyone catch the Jesus/Bible refrence at the end?


[Edited to fix some grammer.]


No I didn't get the Jesus/Bible reference, what was it.

And does anyone know what the message was above the Oracle's door this time. I saw it twice and both times it was illegible because it's Latin again I thinks.

[creeper]

Okay...this being a trilogy and also the 3rd movie.....shouldn't there have been answers to all the questions? I mean this is the movie that is supposed to give closure. to me it seems like a waste of special effects to end like that....i think with a spectacular visual ending there should be an equally well written ending. What happen to the good ol' days when they actually had plots and endings, rather than the open ended stuff they obvious intend to exploit to make more money. for once i'm actually w/ czyznyck99

Special effects don't make a movie. Frankly i'm getting tired w/ all the movies w/ no plot and mucho special effects doing well. I mean i love them, but after while you want something w/ substance. If the stuff w/ substance does poorly we'll never see them again.

[sandwichman]

I liked, 5/5. And yes, I got the bible references at the end, Neo getting crucified, yes? And him walking on water to the Machine world guy, that someone from my school called "The Judge." And the contrasts were nice. In the first movie, Zion was painfully boring and had enough useless philosophy for me to train into a sandwich-making team. But in this movie, Zion was cool, like this smily:http://forums.toonzone.net/images/smilies/cool.gif. And when they broke into the sky, it showed beauty, then it showed Trinity for a stark contrast.Below are my painfully boring observations on the movie, so you can just skip through the rest of this post. The Oracle's earrings are yin-yangs, symbolizing balance, but she is the unbalancer.

Seraph and Neo are both Kung-Fu cookie tasters.

The old Zion Genneral guy looked really wierd when he was yelling at the machines.

Neo said a potty-word.

The Trainman had bad teeth.

The only man to get to 01 was blind. Depressing, eh?

Neo walked on "water" on the pipe, and got crucified, causing all those people who said that Neo=Jesus/God and Smith=Satan to pee their pants.

And as a really farfetched conclusion, Neo pumched Smith twice in the left side of the face, but not the right, to represent unbalance. And in some old superstitions, the left side of the body was the evil half.

[Charlie]

No I didn't get the Jesus/Bible reference, what was it.

I'm not so sure it was, but I think it might be.

At the end of the movie, after the fight with Neo and Smith, the macthine overlord says "It is done" (or something along those lines), anywho, thats also what I think Jesus says when he is crusified on the cross. I'm not totaly sure though, but when I heard that, something just clicked in my head. Just thought it was worth a mention since I never really post much.


[Edited because I forgot to put in spoiler tags]

[The Guard]

I'm satisfied. The Matrix movies were modern mythology, with all the archetypes of classic myth and legend, and a ton of symbolism that can be interpreted many ways (Sometimes I think people make the mistake of thinking this has to be a Christ story, when many cultures and myths have similar ones) thrown in with a bunch of cool characters and awesome action. That's all I can ask for, so I got my seven bucks worth. Is it the best movie I've ever seen? No. But it was certainly lots of fun. There was enough character development, I think, considering some of those characters would have come across as fake with much more, and a of course there are a few things I could've done without. I would have liked to have seen more of Morpheus, and less or none of Bane (Still not sure why he had to be in this trilogy) This film had a sense of urgency, which was nice to see, and there was a lot of emotion at times, as the actors really gave it their all, I think. Keanu did a wonderful job emoting with no eyes to convey his grief at the end, a la James Marsden in X2. The special effects were incredible by pretty much any standards, and the battle scenes were exciting and beautiful to watch. Yeah, there were some cliches, but what movie doesn't have them? When all is said and done, I felt satisfied.

[Weatherman]

Personally, I was satisfied with the movie. I am more then willing to accept that they wern't going to answe all of the questions they posed and would rather have the audience come up with their own answers. Also, I think they did some things as they did, the ham fisted dialogue, the cornball moments, precisely because those moments were ham-fisted and cornball, sorta to say "HEY! It's a MOVIE! Not a slagging religion!"

I can accept this as being the end of this story. Given the rules they set up for themselves throughout the series, this is pretty much the only way it could have ended. They did drag out Trinity's death a little far, but as an anime junkie, I can see where they got the idea from and I can accpet it as is. If nothign else, they did the audience something to chew on by the end.

And, of course, the battle for Zion was a mecha enthusiasts wet dream. :D I am definately going to see thing in IMAX at least once just to see that whole sequence again the way it's truly ment to be see.

4 stars.

[GL2k2]

can someone explain to me why people are putting up Spoiler blocks when this is a talkback with the words "SPOILERS" in parantheses?

[The Clown Prince]

Well, Wednesday's numbers are out. And Matrix Revolutions made $24,311,365. Third biggest Wednesday opening. Wow! Phantom Menace leads Wedensday openings with $28,542,349 and LOTR : The Two Towers is second with $26,159,972.

The Clown Prince

[Dr Kain]

can someone explain to me why people are putting up Spoiler blocks when this is a talkback with the words "SPOILERS" in parantheses?

Because some people are stupid. I had a topic on another board about Big O's ending, and a guy replied complaining that I spoiled the ending for him.

And it didn't go through, but yes I did get the biblical reference, Neo died to save all the humans.

[Corrado]

"Well, Wednesday's numbers are out. And Matrix Revolutions made $24,311,365. Third biggest Wednesday opening. Wow! Phantom Menace leads Wedensday openings with $28,542,349 and LOTR : The Two Towers is second with $26,159,972."

That's good to hear.

Only time will tell if it does better than "Reloaded."

I'll have my mini-review tomorrow.

[Corrado]

For those of you wondering how "Revolutions" did compared to "Reloaded" its first day, "Revoultions" made $24.3 mil, compared to "Reloaded"'s $37.5 mil, its first day.

[randomguy]

Decent. Fairly satisfying and better than Reloaded, even though the dialogue was awful and the pacing was 20 different flavors of whack. That Zion battle would have been absolutely spectacular if it was half the length.

Which bring me to the Neo/Smith fight at the end, which was, yes, fantastic. There's really nothing left for the Superman movie to accomplish now. You could just see the dollars melt away onscreen.

Oh, and did anybody catch the hefty Animatrix reference with the Kid?

[Knight]

It was good I missed seeing Morpheus in action he didnt really do much or say anything as interesting as he did in the last one. Also there was a bunch of what I think was unexplained stuff. For example how did Smith suddenly get to Neo level power? At first he could just copy himself now all of a sudden he's flying and if all Neo was going to do was let Smith absorb him so the Machines could do there thing and delete Smith why even fight (well other than we would have missed out on a great fight). Anyway nice conclusion but I liked Reloaded and the original better.

[Batmex]

It was good I missed seeing Morpheus in action he didnt really do much or say anything as interesting as he did in the last one. Also there was a bunch of what I think was unexplained stuff. For example how did Smith suddenly get to Neo level power? At first he could just copy himself now all of a sudden he's flying and if all Neo was going to do was let Smith absorb him so the Machines could do there thing and delete Smith why even fight (well other than we would have missed out on a great fight). Anyway nice conclusion but I liked Reloaded and the original better.

Morpheous was demoralized after learning that the prophecy he blindly beleaived was a lie, this he was a bit wimpy this time around.

My theories are that the "Super" Smith Neo fought was the truly restored Agent Smith, all the rest were just copies that could only "copy" themselves.

Or.

Depending of who he "Smitherises" the Agent gains the hability of the one copied, the Smith that Neo fought was the one that took the Oracle's body, thus he gained her powers(?).

Any other theories?

[sandwichman]

Any other theories? Yes.

Smith+crappy normal person= Another normal Smith, the type Neo fought in Reloaded.

Smith+another program= An entity so powerful that it can make cheese materialize out of nothing.

Smith+one of the most important programs ever= Smith that could eat a ninja whole.

[Dr Kain]

I think the reason Revolutions didn't make as much on its first day as Reloaded did is because this movie came out on a Wed while Reloaded came out on a Friday.

[Starflyer 58]

Poor to mediocre acting?
Awful dialogue?

Damn. Guess I'm easier to please than some.
I thought this was the most quotable of the three Matrix movies. Somebody get me a freaking transcript!! I need everything that Smith said to the Oracle before he assimilated her. "Cookies need love just like everything else." "You are a b!stard." "You would know, Mom." His entire, fabulous "Why, Mr Anderson?" rant, and Neo's simple, succinct reply: "Because I choose to." Says so much, in so little. Trinity's death. "You can't die!" "Yes I can." As if anybody could tell Trinity what she can and can't do. :p

It was so beautiful. The entire thing. A pervading sense of humanity. An immensely spiritual movie. Gorgeous. Heartbreaking. Inspiring. Lord, it totally took me by surprise how carried away I was by this film. When the Logos broke above the clouds into a blue, sunny sky, my face mirrored Trinity's.

How in heck did "wooden" Keanu Reeves emote so freakin' believably with no eyes with which to act above Trinity's dying body (pierced by three sentinel arms - three, Trinity. *sigh*)... his sense of desperation/determination in the crater with Smith before The End, it all just totally got to me.

I freakin' cried, man.

Amazing.
Unbelievable.
I love. This movie.
*huggles the Wachowski Bros*

[MAXIMUS]

Ok I gotta get a few things outta my head.







MAJOR SPOILERS







1)I believe Sati was the person the prophecy was talking about, not that she was the one, but the human that could reshape the Matrix in anyway she saw fit. And yes I belive she was human (inside) since she was born out of love. I belive she can reshape the Matrix because of what she said at the end to the Oracle O:"Did you do that?"(looks at sunrise) S:"Yes, for Neo."
She was able to create a sunrise and now has control over the Matrix...somewhat.

2)I also believe that the Machines never wanted humans as a power source but more as a way to study them and how they think feel love and react. Afterall, I thnk the whole point of the part where Neo and Trinity rise up to the sun was to show that it was still there, and not hard to reach. The machines could have devised a way to still get power from the sun.

3)I love how the Wachowski Bros made some people think that Neo is alive and will one day come back. Sound familiar? Its the whole story of the resurection of Jesus.

4)The Oracle set the whole thing up from the word go. She created Smith, and she knew what he was capable of (S:"Hello Mom") She also created the One in the hope that these two would fight and bring about peace and the end of the war. If Smith hadnt of taken everyone over the Machines wouldnt of needed Neo, and Neo wouldnt have been able to negotiate the end of the war.

5) If peace between humans and machines is entirely in the hands of the humans. Just as the architect says, "What do you think I am....human?" Because he knows humans have an affinity for breaking there word.

6)Neo had to die. Just as the Keymaker said in Reloaded, "We do, only what we are meant to do.." Neo's purpose was to end the war, which he did. After that he was "deleted" or died just as a program that has fulfilled its purpose does. (I personally think he is still alive since the last shots of him looked like he was still breathing and he was just out of it. Everyone else Smith took over turned back to normal, why not Neo? Bah)

K thats all I have to say, some of you will think thats utter BS but its just my opinion. Superbrawl was the greatest fight ever, the siege scene was just gold.

Did any1 get a count of everyone that was on the ship while the 3 crews were all together? Not including NEo I count about 10-12 which is interesting since Jesus had 12 apostles....ho hum.

thnx for reading. Flame on if you must ;)

[Dark]

Yes.

Smith+one of the most important programs ever= Smith that could eat a ninja whole.

Not just one, all. remember, Smith had assimilated the entire matrix at that point. He was changing the makeup at will, hence the rain and "Do you like What I've done with the place?". Can you imagine the power of everyone the resistance has ever faced distilled into one person? Flying is no problem when you control the gravity program, you know?

[Dr Kain]

One more thing to add, which I don't remember if it was mentioned here or not, but remember, the machines never wanted a war. They always wanted peace, but the humans were the ones that attacked them first. They just retaliated because they wanted to live as much as we do. IN return, they offered humans a paradise world, but yet some still refused to accept it. They didn't have to, they could've made everyone suffer in pain from the moment they are born/bred until they time they die.

[Batmex]

Not just one, all. remember, Smith had assimilated the entire matrix at that point. He was changing the makeup at will, hence the rain and "Do you like What I've done with the place?". Can you imagine the power of everyone the resistance has ever faced distilled into one person? Flying is no problem when you control the gravity program, you know?

Including the Architect, the french dude, and all the remaining agents?

[Avery]

Including the Architect, the french dude, and all the remaining agents?

Every single person and program in the entire world. That's how those plugged into the Matrix discovered the truth about the machines- after being absorbed by Smith, they were left with his knowledge.

[John6777]

It was alot better then reloaded but not as good as number 1. But i am confused about the ending.

1)Was Zion really another matrix like the architect said in #2?

2)How did Smith die??

3)How did Neo Die??

[zero zero nine]

Great movie. One thing I did miss was actual bullet time. Seeing that again would have been sweet. But I do suppose you can't resurrect something after it's been done to death.

[Terminatah]

It was alot better then reloaded but not as good as number 1. But i am confused about the ending.

1)Was Zion really another matrix like the architect said in #2?

2)How did Smith die??

3)How did Neo Die??He never said anything about Zion being another matrix. In the end, Neo lets Smith take over his body, then through Neo's new Smith body, Big Machine Head is able to delete all the Smiths, which kills them both.

-Terminatah

[HellCat]

And does anyone know what the message was above the Oracle's door this time. I saw it twice and both times it was illegible because it's Latin again I thinks.

According to the first film "Know Thy Self". Which is why she pointed out to Neo again, prompting him to say "Me". (was wondering if they'd have him say that or leave it as a "You should of payed attention in movie 1!" thing :p )

Just got back from seeing it. For the large part was not what I was expecting. I'm suprised they killed off Trinity, I was expecting Neo and Morpheus to die. But I guess that's going against the whole stupid "women are weak, men are the heroes" idea that has hung over entertainment for a long time.
Putting Neo in the train station came off as just a cheap way to end Reloaded at a cliffhangar considering how quickly it was resolved.
Thankfully the rave scene wasn't as long as the Zion dance (I swear, the Wachowskis need girlfriends).
I think it was nice that they referenced Enter the Matrix for all the people who went out and bought it, since it was claimed you'd need to watch the films, Animatrix and play the game to get the full story.
It looks like there is racism in Zion, given the Captain's "Pod-born pencil neck" comment to The Kid.
The Sentinel face was kind off odd, but as soon as it started to rise up I knew what was going to happen.
Neo's blindness was a shock. I expected that the machines would somehow heal him by the end, but it never happened. The whole openess of the ending showed that the Wachowskis must really like anime style.

[Corrado]

Just saw it and it was enjoyable.

Agent Smith ruled.

I also liked Serph, too.

[John6777]

Ok so now there's peace but why does Sati have the power to make sunrises?? That confuses me.

Also if all the other people turned back from Agent Smiths (Even though Seraph is no where to be found) doesn't that mean Neo can still be alive?

[HellCat]

Ok so now there's peace but why does Sati have the power to make sunrises?? That confuses me.

Also if all the other people turned back from Agent Smiths (Even though Seraph is no where to be found) doesn't that mean Neo can still be alive?

Neo-Smith was the first one to blow up. In the original, Smith 'died' in a similar way and we know afterwards he returned to the source. So I took it to mean that's what happened to Neo's Matrix-self.

[The Detective]

For anyone wondering about the Jesus references here's an excerp from a Christian review of the movie.

How does Revolutions give visual weight to these Christ-figure parallels? While Neo's matrix body is fighting to the death with Smith, his real body lies prone in the machine world. As the battle climaxes, his body begins to writhe and then glow. Not only do his arms fall perpendicular to his body in the shape of a cross, but yellow light wells up from inside of him forming a brilliant "T" overlay. When Smith is fully defeated, the machines (personified in the shape of a face comprised of thousands of whirling sentinels) bellow, "It is done." Neo is then seemingly "resurrected" and "taken up" (by the machines) and there's an expectation that he will someday reappear (Acts 1: 6-11).

[The Clown Prince]

Box Office Update!

In it's second day of release, Revolutions made an estimated $11,003,481 for a total so far of $35,314,846. This will be Revolutions big money making weekend. If it doesn't pick it up, Revolutions may end up falling way short of Reloaded's $281 million. Warner Brothers expects Revolutions to make by weekend's end a total of $100 million from it's Wednesday opening. We'll see.

The Clown Prince

[Terminatah]

Ok so now there's peace but why does Sati have the power to make sunrises?? That confuses me.She's a combination of two programs. I forget what they are, but the father was kinda technical and the mother was kinda creative, so there you go.

-Terminatah

[MAXIMUS]

i think Smith made it rain and made thunder and lightning because he took over Sati who could control the Matrix.

[Chris Sanders MSX]

That was GREAT movie but the ending left me with questions and wanting an actual RESOLUTION !! And them screwing with my head by having the oracle go " We may see Neo again someday" (to parapharse) made it worse. Is Neo dead or isn't he ?

What's his role in the matrix now ? I mean he's the one, so did that mean he had to be sacrificed ? Or is he destined to do more and since this is supposedly the 6th Matrix won't the war just start all over again ? And what happens to Neo after that.

And would Morpheus really just neglect Neo if he doesn't come back ? As the savior I'd think they'd send a rescue party out to atleast LOOK for the guy. Especially after what the Oracle said to the girl in one of the last scenes of the movie. Ahhh.. *HEAD BURST*!!

[Chris Sanders MSX]

I came up with my own ending....

The White light that comes out of Neo spreads across the Machine Mountain and purifies everything(just assume that the machine God thing didn't help Neo but was reacting to the power radiating throught his body as it's probly foreign to it), waking all the humans trapped in the Matrix and destroying the machines as well as the Matrix itself. The people awake and wanderthis new earth, and the people who were already awoke come from underground and blah blah blah... Neo is dead but has a shrine dedicated to him for awakening the human race and it's the end. YAY !

Man. That was satisfying.

[Solitude1]

OK...the last ep of Big O this weekend was bad enough. I love these shows/movies that MAKE YOU THINK, rather then throwing you an ending all together...

So I just got finished seeing Revolutions and...whoa. Loved every single minute EXCEPT the ending...what...the...f***. I'm determined to understand it all bit by bit so...gotta buy Reloaded on dvd and Enter the Matrix for my PS2. I truly think The Matrix is Star Wars for our generation. Rock on.

Even though I liked pretty much everything in the movie, I must say that 3 things stood out as favorable for me...(don't scroll...tiny spoilers..TINY I said, won't spoil much believe me)

3. Fight scene: Zion defending against the Sentinels. MY GOD...I have never seen such a warlike battle before. I was so tense, I swear they were going to lose. Awesome

2. Fight scene: Neo VS Smith for the final time. Loved it. I enjoyed the references to their past battles. Both cracking their fists before the fight. Both grabbing each other by the collar. Neo doing his "bring it on" stance after getting knocked down by Smith...and of course Smith and all his copies exploding just like the first movie.

3.I know this may sound silly but, I could not stop laughing when this happened...When Neo enters The Matrix for the final time and looks at all the staring Smiths while walking. If you look closly, they all have different expressions. Their is one Smith that is just purly grinning, and nodding his head like saying "Yes, that's right. I'm da man." I don't know...that just amused me for the rest of the movie.

Can someone get a pic of that maybe? (shrugs)

Anyway, other then the ending I enjoyed it.^^

Later

[wrenchien]

Box Office Update!

In it's second day of release, Revolutions made an estimated $11,003,481 for a total so far of $35,314,846. This will be Revolutions big money making weekend. If it doesn't pick it up, Revolutions may end up falling way short of Reloaded's $281 million. Warner Brothers expects Revolutions to make by weekend's end a total of $100 million from it's Wednesday opening. We'll see.

The Clown Prince

would be a kick in the pants for warner or whatever if it didn't even make $100 million, now would it?

i have a bad feeling it won't make a lot of money.

[Batmex]

I still don't get the reason why did the Oracle changed form(in the movie plot, I know that the actress died)

[HellCat]

I still don't get the reason why did the Oracle changed form(in the movie plot, I know that the actress died)

I believe it's explained in Enter the Matrix. Maybe someone who played it can enlighten those of us who didn't/couldn't.

[Zach Logan]

I loved this movie, and I recommend everyone, especially Big O fans, to go see it. The end did remind me eerily of Big O, in which they erased the world of the Matrix again in an effort to start it over in a world with an unlasting peace between the machines and mankind. The ending was supposed to leave questions unanswered and leave you somewhat hanging, for as you probably know, it was very similer to anime. In anime you would not have these questions answered, and it is the same for the Matrix.

One of my favorate parts of this movie was the music, which went back to the style of the first movie, which I LOVED. Another big step up was in the special effects, which, like the first movie, dazzled me. This WAS a revolution in special effects.

Overall I think this movie is a bit better than the first, and I'd definetly see it. But of course, there are people who disagree...

[creeper]

I loved this movie, and I recommend everyone, especially Big O fans, to go see it. The end did remind me eerily of Big O, in which they erased the world of the Matrix again in an effort to start it over in a world with an unlasting peace between the machines and mankind. The ending was supposed to leave questions unanswered and leave you somewhat hanging, for as you probably know, it was very similer to anime. In anime you would not have these questions answered, and it is the same for the Matrix.

Don't you think you might be making excuses for the movies ending? It seems more like they leave questions unanswered so they have a reason to make another movie down the line. I'm not knocking the movie, but come on...it's a trilogy right. Everything is supposed to be explained in the last ep. If i really thought that they'd end it that way for artistic reasons i'd be w/ you. The fact is to them there is still money to be made. If they answer all the questions they won't have anything to use for another movie.

[Eidan]

I believe it's explained in Enter the Matrix. Maybe someone who played it can enlighten those of us who didn't/couldn't.

Yeah, I played that garbage.

In Ghost's scenario, the Oracle explains to him that two programs had sold the code to her shell to the Merovingian in exchange for the safety of their child. When asked why she allowed this, the Oracle explained that the child was very important. This child was Sati.

[The Clown Prince]

Another Box Office Update!

Friday's numbers are in, and it's not looking good. But that could be seriously argued.

On Friday Revolutions brought in $16,700,000 for a total so far of $52,015,000. And Warner Bros expects this to reach $100 million by Sunday? It's not looking good. The bad buzz and negative reviews looks to have really hurt whether or not people are going to see it. But it's still opening weekend.

I'll have the full weekend's numbers tomorrow in the box office report.

The Clown Prince

[Zach Logan]

Don't you think you might be making excuses for the movies ending? It seems more like they leave questions unanswered so they have a reason to make another movie down the line. I'm not knocking the movie, but come on...it's a trilogy right. Everything is supposed to be explained in the last ep. If i really thought that they'd end it that way for artistic reasons i'd be w/ you. The fact is to them there is still money to be made. If they answer all the questions they won't have anything to use for another movie.
The entire cast and directors said that another movie would NOT be made. The only way I could see it happening is if somehow another company gets the rights to make one, which probably wont happen for decades, if ever.

[John6777]

I need a little Explanation. Whoever fully understands the matrix please Email me and explain the point of the whole thing or am i missing something.

Email: John6777@aol.com

[Drachentöter]

I am angered by the professional critics who accuse this movie of being "bloated" and "mere eye candy" and "nothing more than a video game."

This is the best movie out of the trilogy for me, hands down. Some have claimed there was no plot. I beg to differ, this was MUCH more plot-centric than Reloaded. Some say the Zion battles were unnecessary, but I was blown away. Not only by the beautiful special effects, but by the DETERMINATION of these humans in the face of impossible odds.

And I thought the ending was very fitting. In real life, not every loose end is tied and outcomes are never what you expect. The ending made sense to me and I'm sure it'll lead to a lot of interesting fanfiction...

My favorite scene would be the defense of the Dock. It was riveting. It was epic. It kept me on the edge of my seat. That scene should be immortalized for all time.

At first, Smith's over-the-topness annoyed me, but he made a fitting villain by the end. After all, he is "the devil" and as the devil he has to ooze Evil. The final battle was pretty well done and it felt huge. (I was very impressed by "Bain's" ability to imitate Hugo Weaving too.)

Keanu...well, he's Keanu, he will not win an Oscar. But he handled his few dramatic scenes fairly well. I loved what was done with his character, especially the "second sight" factor. Neo also turns out to be a good negotiator.

Finally, I have one question to ask of the movie.

If the truth is revealed to the humans jacked into the Matrix...how many would want to be "free?" How many SHOULD want to be free? Consider the alternative to the Matrix: a dirty underground world with raggedy clothing. I really prefer these artificial comforts myself.

That has always been my issue with the Matrix. And that's why I'm glad Revolutions ended how it did. By giving humanity a choice. It can rebuild from the ground up or it can be cared for by the machines.

I sense this is Star Wars for a new generation. An epic trilogy with underrated latter chapters. It's ripe for speculation and fandom, which will probably lead to expansion in books and sequels/prequels. I wouldn't mind if more Matrix movies were made, but maybe we should wait...30 years.

Well done, Wachowzki brothers!

[Drachentöter]

That was GREAT movie but the ending left me with questions and wanting an actual RESOLUTION !! And them screwing with my head by having the oracle go " We may see Neo again someday" (to parapharse) made it worse. Is Neo dead or isn't he ?

What's his role in the matrix now ? I mean he's the one, so did that mean he had to be sacrificed ? Or is he destined to do more and since this is supposedly the 6th Matrix won't the war just start all over again ? And what happens to Neo after that.

And would Morpheus really just neglect Neo if he doesn't come back ? As the savior I'd think they'd send a rescue party out to atleast LOOK for the guy. Especially after what the Oracle said to the girl in one of the last scenes of the movie. Ahhh.. *HEAD BURST*!!

I think Neo is, for all practical purposes, dead. His One "program" has probably disperesed back from where it came from. If you believe in the soul, you could theorize that it's reuinited with Trinity's. His body died when his program was taken over by Smith.

When the Oracle said they'd see him again, she probably meant the program would reincarnate into the next savior. Because there could be another war when the machines start needing more power. The Architect himself said the peace wouldn't last. And that's where we'll get a second trilogy with Keanu Reeve's great grandson playing Neo 2.0.

[The Guard]

I think people are looking too deep about The Oracle's comments about Neo. Neo is dead. I'm pretty sure she was implying they'd see him when they got back to the real world source, I.E. Heaven. I'm sure we'll be seeing a MATRIX animated series before too long. MEN IN BLACK got one. SPIDER-MAN got one. It's a matter of time.

[halinar]

I'm a huge fan of the first movie and I loved this movie... up until the very end.

It explained nothing. Nada, Zip...

I thought I knew where it was going but apparently I was looking too deeply. I thought that Zion was still in the matrix but a sub routine to keep all the trouble makers. They thought they were free so they didn't try to escape. Once Zion got too full they would wipe it out and restart all over again. Keeps the Matrix free of the trouble makers and the trouble makers would still be making power.
That would have also explained why Neo could use his powers in the "real world" because it was still in the matrix.

But apparently he was just a super human with all kinds of funky powers.

[Hatter]

I'm not really listening to what the critics are saying. Every now and again, they all team up to take a film down... makes them feel elevated. They did it with Gigli, and while that movie probably deserved it, Revolutions doesn't. The critics are just desperately trying to prove that they're "above" special-effects movies. It's sad really.


As for what I thought of it, well... I was slightly adaze after my first viewing. Trying to reconcile what they did explain with what they didn't.
Although now, after reading some theories and dwelling on it for a while, I have a much more favorable view of the movie. As for what I liked the first time 'round...

I really, really liked the train station scenes.
I was pleasantly suprised to find out who the mysterious man in the Merovingian's restaurant was. I found Rama-Kandra's speech about love to be suprisingly moving. A lovely scene.

The Club Hel sequence was one big metaphor, but I enjoyed it. Having to fight through the gates of Hell, making your way through the grotesque, demonic denizens, to an audience with Satan himself.

The defense of Zion, and the subsequent flight of the Hammer to save it, blew me away. You could literally see the millions of dollars being poured onto the screen. When the REAL swarm of Sentinels came... my jaw dropped. Literally dropped. I had to manually prop it back up five minutes later. Seeing all those mechs was a sci-fi fan's wet dream. And I enjoyed seeing the Kid playing a vital role.

The Superbrawl... was just nuts. A little too much starting & stopping, but other than that, it was crazy. Some really nice shots in there.
What I would have liked, though, were more shots establishing that Smith had, indeed, taken over every human being in the Matrix. Shots of deserted highways, streets, cities... or just have everything be filled with Smith clones. But I wanted to see more than just the battlefield.

[Discloner]

Yeah, I played that garbage.

In Ghost's scenario, the Oracle explains to him that two programs had sold the code to her shell to the Merovingian in exchange for the safety of their child. When asked why she allowed this, the Oracle explained that the child was very important. This child was Sati.

The real life explaination is that the original Oracle died (IIRC). They had to work her change of appearance into the movie, and the game, because of the obvious reason that she was mega important to the story.

[Steven C]

That was GREAT movie but the ending left me with questions and wanting an actual RESOLUTION !! And them screwing with my head by having the oracle go " We may see Neo again someday" (to parapharse) made it worse. Is Neo dead or isn't he ?

What's his role in the matrix now ? I mean he's the one, so did that mean he had to be sacrificed ? Or is he destined to do more and since this is supposedly the 6th Matrix won't the war just start all over again ? And what happens to Neo after that.

And would Morpheus really just neglect Neo if he doesn't come back ? As the savior I'd think they'd send a rescue party out to atleast LOOK for the guy. Especially after what the Oracle said to the girl in one of the last scenes of the movie. Ahhh.. *HEAD BURST*!!


I think people are looking too deep about The Oracle's comments about Neo. Neo is dead. I'm pretty sure she was implying they'd see him when they got back to the real world source, I.E. Heaven. I'm sure we'll be seeing a MATRIX animated series before too long. MEN IN BLACK got one. SPIDER-MAN got one. It's a matter of time.

This is so simple. This iternation of Neo is dead. We'll see Neo again because the it'll all cycle through again (the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, etc interation of the Matrix, until the Architect can perfect the flaw and keep the humans happy). There will be another "The One"

Real world source??? What?

[HellCat]

This is so simple. This iternation of Neo is dead. We'll see Neo again because the it'll all cycle through again (the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, etc interation of the Matrix, until the Architect can perfect the flaw and keep the humans happy). There will be another "The One"

Real world source??? What?

There's no need for further versions of the Matrix. All of humanity now knows the Matrix isn't real. That's what the Oracle and Architect talk about at the end- those who want to stay in the Matrix will be allowed to, those who want to leave and help rebuild the real world will also be allowed their wish.

[HellCat]

I'm a huge fan of the first movie and I loved this movie... up until the very end.

It explained nothing. Nada, Zip...

I thought I knew where it was going but apparently I was looking too deeply. I thought that Zion was still in the matrix but a sub routine to keep all the trouble makers. They thought they were free so they didn't try to escape. Once Zion got too full they would wipe it out and restart all over again. Keeps the Matrix free of the trouble makers and the trouble makers would still be making power.
That would have also explained why Neo could use his powers in the "real world" because it was still in the matrix.

But apparently he was just a super human with all kinds of funky powers.

That's exactly what I thought after Reloaded. I would of preferred that rather then Neo being able to have powers in the real world.

[Outlander00]

Well, finally saw it... I thought, as part of the body of work, was a great movie and a suitable conclusion to the series. I enjoyed it a lot, but that is not to say there werent any problems I had with it.

First, I like the intergration between this movie, Enter the Matrix and The Animatrix, but think its over the heads of idle watchers who could have said "huh?"

The subway scene was quite telling of Neo's perdicament because it represented how Neo's being the One was beyond the Matrix. I understand what they were trying to do with the scene in Club Hel and commend the attempt, but I thought it was kind of cheesy and clunky.

The Battle for Zion was great! The entire time I was shifting in my seat, going (though I knew what was going to happen) "Are they gonna make it? Are they?? Are they?!" It was really well done and showed not only the struggle of the human race, but the personal struggles during the battle for the dock.

Neo's struggle to the machine city and the final battle with Smith was also very good, though Trinity's death is was anti-climatic because of how long it took for her to die. It was interesting to see how Wachowski's worked 1 part religion, 1 part Superman, and 1 part fantasy and stirred it well to create the outcome.

Personally, I didnt have a problem with the ending... My take on it, is that Neo reinserted himself back into the source code in order to save the matrix and everyone inside from Smith. That this was part of the deal with the machines in order to secure peace between them and the humans. I think this explanation tends to follow along the religious overtones that this movie had... That Neo had to sacrifice himself in order to save his people. The key, I thought, was the final dialogue between the Architect and the Oracle and then between her and Sati.

I dont know if I want to see another movie or any spin off series to this, though... I know it was left open for more, but adding on to this would make the whole body of work overly burdened.

All in all, the movie did have flaws that I felt it ended things pretty well.

[Corrado]

The five-day "Revolutions" box-office total is $85.4 million. A huge cry from the $134.2 million that "Reloaded" took in in its first 4 days.

I think its a disappointment at the box office so far.

[Dark Vicious]

(warning, I'm very cranky today and probably don't mean any of this but bear with me here)


I don't know why people are whining about how it was bad, I wouldn't say it is better than the 1st Matrix but it was a really decent epilogue to the Matrix trilogy. Everybody has seen movies that had too much special effects and people said it was great, but when they put the formula into a matrix movie everybody whines like babies. The purpose of a movie is to entertain you, the audience, but none of you can actually enjoy it so you have to bad mouth it. Everybody has a right to an opinion but unless you yourself could make a better matrix ending you have no right to complain. YOU spent your 7 bucks on the movie and were entertained so shut it. I have a neutral opinion to the movie so I give it a ***.

[Steven C]

There's no need for further versions of the Matrix. All of humanity now knows the Matrix isn't real. That's what the Oracle and Architect talk about at the end- those who want to stay in the Matrix will be allowed to, those who want to leave and help rebuild the real world will also be allowed their wish.

There will be more iterantions of the Matrix becuase the anomolies wasnt fixed yet. Remember the machines want to find a way to make the humans happy so they wont wake up by understanding the human soul, psyche, etc to what makes us humans. There will always be iterations of the Matrix, like humans there will never be a "perfect one".

All of humanity????????? like maybe the 3% that are awake? Remember there are still billions of people jacked into the Matrix.

Oracle and Architect was talking about that 3% that are awake. Remember there was only supposted to be 30 something people that survived the Matrix cycle. This time its a lot more. The truce that Arhictect said was that......a short truce until the Matrix can reboot itself after it fully went over its systems to see if the virus (Smith) was really cleaned by the Anti-virus (Neo)

Smith was the only thing in this iteration of the Matrix that wasnt already planned.

[HellCat]

There will be more iterantions of the Matrix becuase the anomolies wasnt fixed yet. Remember the machines want to find a way to make the humans happy so they wont wake up by understanding the human soul, psyche, etc to what makes us humans. There will always be iterations of the Matrix, like humans there will never be a "perfect one".

All of humanity????????? like maybe the 3% that are awake? Remember there are still billions of people jacked into the Matrix.

Oracle and Architect was talking about that 3% that are awake. Remember there was only supposted to be 30 something people that survived the Matrix cycle. This time its a lot more. The truce that Arhictect said was that......a short truce until the Matrix can reboot itself after it fully went over its systems to see if the virus (Smith) was really cleaned by the Anti-virus (Neo)

Smith was the only thing in this iteration of the Matrix that wasnt already planned.

Humanity as a whole now knows the Matrix isn't real. They learnt this from being infected by Smith. There is now peace between the humans and machines, so those who want to live in the real world will be freed from the Matrix. With the knowledge of the truth, there is no need to make a One to reboot the Matrix, it can simply remain as is. I'm sure the humans and machines will start working togethor to find some way to heal Earth and the blacking of the sky so the machines can return to using solar power. Though beyond that, wouldn't suprise me if humanity returned to seeing the machines as their lessers.

[Steven C]

Humanity as a whole now knows the Matrix isn't real. They learnt this from being infected by Smith. There is now peace between the humans and machines, so those who want to live in the real world will be freed from the Matrix. With the knowledge of the truth, there is no need to make a One to reboot the Matrix, it can simply remain as is. I'm sure the humans and machines will start working togethor to find some way to heal Earth and the blacking of the sky so the machines can return to using solar power. Though beyond that, wouldn't suprise me if humanity returned to seeing the machines as their lessers.

What? How does Humanity as a whole know the Matrix isnt real? How did Smith let them know? Smith infected the people inside, but when Smith was killed, the people returned to who they were. Only Oracle and Sati knew what happened.

The is no peace.........The Architect said how long do u think this truce will last in a distain tone. Then Oracle said as long as it needs to be (virus check)

Then Oracle said we'll see Neo again, it wont be Neo, but it be the next "The One"

[HellCat]

What? How does Humanity as a whole know the Matrix isnt real? How did Smith let them know? Smith infected the people inside, but when Smith was killed, the people returned to who they were. Only Oracle and Sati knew what happened.

The is no peace.........The Architect said how long do u think this truce will last in a distain tone. Then Oracle said as long as it needs to be (virus check)

Then Oracle said we'll see Neo again, it wont be Neo, but it be the next "The One"

The line at the end did not mean "Those who are out can stay out", it meant "Anyone who wants out can go". Humanity now knows because of the Smith infection as I said. It would be too much work for the machines to cover up a world-wide blank out in memory.With the peace, it makes no sense for humans and machines to just avoid each other. Both have to gain from healing the damaged eco-system, so they'll likely forge an alliance to do just that.l The Architect's comment about how long the peace will last sounds to refer to how quickly the humans will turn on the machines and treat them as property and such.

[JohnCrichton]

Anyway, my thoughts..... eh. I didn't want to say anything 'til everybody had seen it and enjoyed it to its fullest without me raining on it. You know that guy who can talk down a movie, and then when you go see it, it's not as fun as it would've been if he hadn't said anything.

Well, I don't want to be that guy, buuuuuut.... if The Matrix had stopped at the first one I would've been a-okay. Great balance of plot, philosphy, martial arts, the Matrix, tricks with reality and some excellent sci-fi all on one perfect package.

The sequels..... not so perfect.

This last one's martial art sequences weren't all that spectacular. I'm talking on a technical basis and not awe inspiring. I like the awe, and the sky battle images did make me gasp and quake in my chair, but I didn't see any impressive combos, reversals or any intricate mesh of moves that lead up to a great exchange.

This last one lacked the sledgehammer in your chest philosphy that the first movie spun and the second movie did almost as well. I saw simple stuff and repeated stuff that didn't really make me think.

I didn't like how much of the movie took place in the ugly, ugly, ugly real world. Final battle for Zion was great, but every time I see Zion I feel a sense of diappointment. When I first heard about the fabled city in the first Matrix, visions danced before my eyes of the last city of light and hope where humans flourished and sent out warriors to fight. When you actually get there, it's a sewer ghetto. Which is my own fault, thinking that thw Warchowski Brothers have an unlimited budget and would go against the style of the real world humans that they'd already established on the Neberkenezzer of the first movie. Still.... waaay too much real world and not enough rebel fighting in the Matrix.

Trinity's long speech at the end was a bit trying of my patience. She was spitted on three big fuggin' spikes and managed to talk and talk and talk. I'm all for that if it's some gritty kick ass samurai played by some guy like Sonny Chiba who talks about what was really greatest in life and how he grasped the day and whatnot. But she took sooooooooo long just to say, "I love you."

Even CaptainYurika was annoyed that she lived so long to ramble.

Pacing was too slow in the beginning, not doing enough of what I thought could have been excellent Acts. 1st Act being a rescue of Neo with sword slinging, and boss fighting and finally knowing a well thought out way to stop the Malvengian. I wanted to see Seriph go off!. The actor screams of a power level that could make us all jump out of our seats and cheer. But it was just gun play and just continual play. Coolest thing we got to see Seriph do is straighten his jacket and that was cool.

What I liked:

I liked the kid. "Little Jimmy" character tho he was, he went in with so much no fear he turned obnoxious spirit into grit. Good show, kid! Would've been cool to see if he had "in the Matrix" potential tho.

I liked Niobe. I waited for the groan moment(besides her saying, "I belive in him"), where she tells us all she's so tough because she's a woman and whatever. Instead she stood strong as her own character that happened to be female. She piloted to hell out of the hover craft and blazed in to save the day! Good show!

Wait a second............................ that reminds me of another thing I didn't like. Her co-pilot Morpheus didn't do anything for the whole movie. He didn't do anything to affect that plot at all. Gaht dammit....

I loved the lightening effects behind the BIG HONKIN' fight scene! GREAT background for a titanic battle that was on par with Super Man versus General Zod and the Rogue Kryptonians! Just wish more specifics of the fight choreography were given more detail.

Liked seeing the City of the Machines. Wish we'd gotten to really explore it and see what it was like, but at least we saw it.

Loved the scene where that one 'bot pilot was flippin' out and going berserker. That guy turned into glowing PURE ULTIMATE POWER. Good death too.


My Problems with the movie:

No real explanation about the price The Oracle paid for helping Neo and her new form. I heard it was revealed in the video game, but we should have to play a sub par game to find out a major plot point of the movie.

What did the Oracle do to Smith when he merged her? I thought I saw something or.... something, but what was it? When she combined, did she network all the Smiths so that when Neo was merged he could blow them all up at one time?

What was the major significance of "To Every Beginning, There Is An End?" Was it exactally what it meant or is there some deeper hidden meaning in there that give Neo the insight he needed to do what he needed?

So, what's happened to the world now? Are there people still in the Matrix or is it now just home for Programs? C'mon now... gimme a real Epilogue.

I am one who likes the Sherlock Holmes ending. I like it when Sherlock goes down The List of flashbacks, explaining all the iffy clues and this and that and how it aaaaaaaallllllllllllllllll adds up to a real purpose that was infact there all along and with a smile tells you it's "elementary". I know that the director's leaving it up to the imagination of the imaginative and that everyone on the planet should just be a genious who has access to the internet and can backtrack and reasearch all that went on in the trilogy to figure out fo themselves later what all happened and why things happened the way they did, but it's really nice when Sherlock does it.... I'd like it if more movies did this.

That was my biggest problem with The Big O. Too much left open. Like a riddle told to you and only a tenth of the answer given to you.

I liked it, but I liked Kill Bill waaay better and would've been just fine if they'd left The Matrix at the first movie.

[Corrado]

I noticed Persphone was only in that one scene in the club. And she was with her husband again, even though they had an argument in "Reloaded."

What's up with that?

[Morac]

There's no need for further versions of the Matrix. All of humanity now knows the Matrix isn't real. That's what the Oracle and Architect talk about at the end- those who want to stay in the Matrix will be allowed to, those who want to leave and help rebuild the real world will also be allowed their wish.I didn't think they were talking about the humans at that point, but all the rogue programs living in the matrix. No where in the movie was it stated that the humans living in the matrix know about the matrix. Remember many had been taken over by agents in the first movie and they were none the wiser after the agents left their bodies.

Also the ending makes more sense when you remember the fact that Smith is the "Anti-Neo" and we all know what happens when matter and anti-matter collide (they annihilate each other). Same thing with Neo and Smith (anti-Neo).

While the battle scenese were well done, this movie didn't make me think nearly as much as the first or second. Overall the movie was more eye candy than story.

[Discloner]

I saw this movie last night and I guess I'll have to join the loser table since I enjoyed it....very much actually. :p

I absoluetly loved the Zion fight scenes....totally....just...unbelievable. Swarms of Sentientals was just so totally awsome filled with excellent CGI that was definetly an upgrade from Reloaded (...plastic people...ugh).

The Neo and Smith fight.....Wow...just wow.

I personally see lots of people throw around terms like 'Corny dialoge' and 'thrown together plot' around here, and I honestly have to wonder if a lot of people are just using the terms without full understanding of them. I don't mean for this movie, I'm just pointing it out.

I thought all the actors potrayed their roles well, with dialog that still got me into the move, so it couldn't have been all bad. SFX, I've already covered....TOP NOTCH.

I can't say I wasn't expecting Trinity to die....but I came into the movie expecting to have her live and Neo die (perhaps with his child?). Her death I do agree was long...and drawn out, could have been done a lot quicker for more emotional impact.

Over all I'd have to say this was WAAAAAAAAAAAY better then Reloaded, which was full of obviously rehershed fight scequences and long conversations about choices and the meaning of life (no plastic CGI effects either!).

The end, is just what it is....the end. It leaves it open but if not to more movies down the road (which I don't think should happen), to viewer speculation. The first movie got people's brain juices flowing and this one lends it self for you to come up with your own conclusion.

People also have been complaining that they leave it open in the sense that the machine and human peace treaty won't last....what's to say it won't? Humans won't risk starting it back up, they'd loose...they know it, they don't want to be supressed for decades again. Macheines won't go against their word....their macheines. The archetect's statement is proof of that.

As for not tying everything up, the W. Brothers used their imagination to think up the trilogy, use your imagination to think beyond it!

[David Lucas]

Get comfortable, cause this is gonna be long.

In 1998, I heard of a movie being made called 'The Matrix' that had mindblowing special effects. In 1999, I went to the theatre on opening night, as I left, my brain was literally fried.

For years, I waited the arrival of a sequel, then heard I got my wish. I kept up to date on every last bit of news for these movies. When Reloaded came out, it didn't quite have that brutal feel of the first one, everything didn't really seem to matter. But I still loved it. I went on more Matrix sites and message boards than I knew what to do with in preparation for Revolutions.

Along the way I had a few major plot points spoiled, such as:

Neo dying
Smith winning the fight
Trinity dying
The architect telling the Oracle "What do you think I am? Human?:
The fact that nothing at all is answered at the end unless you sit down and try to figure it out by yourself.

After having all that ruined for me, I heard countless bad reviews. Rottentomatoes.com completely obliterated that movie. So now I knew the outcome of the movie, and I knew it wasn't gonna be as good as I thought it was.

Thank Jesus for this fact.

You see, as I left the theatre today I had nothing inside me but a total sense of joy, awe, and closure. Because I knew the ending, I wasn't looking forward to it, as everyone else was. I was immersed in this world, and trying to take in as much as humanly possible.

The Rama Kandra conversation, the Oracle's every word, Monica Bellucci's red dress that just makes me want to do things to her not allowed by the laws of physics.

I thought every single aspect of this movie was poetry, it was beautiful. Morpheus acting terrified through the whole movie since his entire belief was destroyed at the end of 2. Neo realizing that he must go to 01, and may not return, him and Morpheus' goodbye nearly brought me to a tear, because I knew that that was it. These two would never meet again, and a comraderie that I had been living with for 6 years was over.

Trinity's last scene, damn all you people who felt it was too drawn-out and corny, I thought it was a beautiful way to end a relationship as serious as theirs. And she went out with style too, keep in mind, she's the only human who's seen the ACTUAL sun in nearly 600 years. If that's one of the last few things I saw, as I died in the arms of my loved one as I professed my love to them one last time, I would die with a smile.

As did Trinity.

Not to mention this movie was just plain brutal. With 2, nothing really seemed to be of any importance, people were just running around without fear. In this, people were stabbed by other people, people were decapitated in every sense of the word, hundreds upon hundreds died, Trinity was stabbed, Neo had his eye sockets stabbed/burned out, the Oracle got 'killed' for a time.

I mean, Jesus, how could any of you people not be completely enthralled in the final stand of the human race in a movie that ended up feeling so realistic. Sure the acting and dialogue was a little on the corny side at times, but everyone in this movie acted the way you would were you to be thrown into a situation as extreme as this.

And then that situation came, and when it did, holy hell I was exhausted by the time it was over. That seige on Zion was the craziest thing I've ever seen in film and actually believed it was happening. Damn what everyone says, I've become a pretty good master at spotting obvious CGI, and I have to say that they integrated it perfectly with real life. Mifune's APU coming to life was a perfect example of it.

That battle was worth every cent the Wachowski's put into it, this trilogy was worth every last cent. The only thing that I really just wasn't enthralled by was the final showdown at the Okkay Corral. Don't get me wrong, I wanted that fight, I just wanted it to last a little longer and expand on some more filming techiniques. Call me spoiled.

Neo's Superpunch however, that was a perfect final cinematic showcase to exactly what these two Brothers can accomplish in this trilogy. You've seen mindblowing things yes, but that one punch put nearly everything to shame.

For 6 years, I have lived, ate, and breathed "Matrix". It has been a wonderous time where I saw fantasies I had always dreamed about on the big screen with somewhat believable reasons for how it's accomplished. As I watched Neo fly through the clouds in Reloaded, all I had was a total sense of jealousy, for being able to fly like that is my only wish in this world.

I hate Star Wars geeks, I hate Star Trek geeks, I never saw the point of what the hell they saw that made them bow down in the glory of these movies. The Matrix got me, hook, line, and sinker. This trilogy will NEVER be forgotten by anyone, some may not have liked it, but this thing became a friggin worldwide phenomenon.

And you know what, amidst all the naysayers of the movie, amidst all the negative reviews and people who just plain wanted more out of it, amidst the highest level of expectations from any movie, ever. (Screw Episode 3) Amidst all of that, the Wachowski's stuck through their vision and shared it with us in just enough mediums to accurately see this world they've envisioned.

The script may need a few tweeks, the Oracle's situation should be put in 3, and The Merovigian and Mrs Monica needed a little more screen time, but as it stands, because I did not walk in with huge expectations, because I knew the ending and was prepared for how it would affect me as the credits rolled.......

.....this movie was nothing short of perfect for me. I'm in the minority, I know. But as I left the theater, I felt a part of me died along with Neo. This 6 year, Matrix obsessed stage in my life is finally over and I can move on.

Mr. Andy Wachowski, Mr. Larry Wachowski, Mr. Joel Silver, Mr. Keanu Reeves, Mr. Laurence Fishburn, Mrs. Carrie Ann Moss, Mr. Hugo Weaving, and most importantly, the late and beautiful Mrs. Gloria Foster.....

....if you ever come across this post, thank you from the bottom of my heart.

[dc_gothamite]

Get comfortable, cause this is gonna be long.

In 1998, I heard of a movie being made called 'The Matrix' that had mindblowing special effects. In 1999, I went to the theatre on opening night, as I left, my brain was literally fried.

For years, I waited the arrival of a sequel, then heard I got my wish. I kept up to date on every last bit of news for these movies. When Reloaded came out, it didn't quite have that brutal feel of the first one, everything didn't really seem to matter. But I still loved it. I went on more Matrix sites and message boards than I knew what to do with in preparation for Revolutions.

Along the way I had a few major plot points spoiled, such as:

Neo dying
Smith winning the fight
Trinity dying
The architect telling the Oracle "What do you think I am? Human?:
The fact that nothing at all is answered at the end unless you sit down and try to figure it out by yourself.

After having all that ruined for me, I heard countless bad reviews. Rottentomatoes.com completely obliterated that movie. So now I knew the outcome of the movie, and I knew it wasn't gonna be as good as I thought it was.

Thank Jesus for this fact.

You see, as I left the theatre today I had nothing inside me but a total sense of joy, awe, and closure. Because I knew the ending, I wasn't looking forward to it, as everyone else was. I was immersed in this world, and trying to take in as much as humanly possible.

The Rama Kandra conversation, the Oracle's every word, Monica Bellucci's red dress that just makes me want to do things to her not allowed by the laws of physics.

I thought every single aspect of this movie was poetry, it was beautiful. Morpheus acting terrified through the whole movie since his entire belief was destroyed at the end of 2. Neo realizing that he must go to 01, and may not return, him and Morpheus' goodbye nearly brought me to a tear, because I knew that that was it. These two would never meet again, and a comraderie that I had been living with for 6 years was over.

Trinity's last scene, damn all you people who felt it was too drawn-out and corny, I thought it was a beautiful way to end a relationship as serious as theirs. And she went out with style too, keep in mind, she's the only human who's seen the ACTUAL sun in nearly 600 years. If that's one of the last few things I saw, as I died in the arms of my loved one as I professed my love to them one last time, I would die with a smile.

As did Trinity.

Not to mention this movie was just plain brutal. With 2, nothing really seemed to be of any importance, people were just running around without fear. In this, people were stabbed by other people, people were decapitated in every sense of the word, hundreds upon hundreds died, Trinity was stabbed, Neo had his eye sockets stabbed/burned out, the Oracle got 'killed' for a time.

etc.....

All I have to say is.... Well said, my friend... well said. :D (i luv this movie)

[Eidan]

Like a riddle told to you and only a tenth of the answer given to you.

I thought the fun of a riddle was figuring it out yourself.

It seems to me that a lot of people disliked the movie simply because it confused them.

I loved it, BTW. I thought it was easily the best in the series. And the Battle for Zion kicks the Battle for Helm's Deep in the ass. There's a new best war sequence in cinema, and it belongs to Zion.

[Conekiller]

Saw it on Friday and quite enjoyed it




except


(warning: possible extreme foul language) during the Trinity death sequence some *****hole in the back yelled out "just die alreadt B*tch!" causing every one in the theatre (but me) to laugh. COMPLETELY ruining the moddo and making me miss out on important dialoge. on top of that, because of this failed attempt at a human sitting in the back, when she DID die, the whole theater applauded. I promply yelled "SHUT UP" including a few other pissed patrons.

If the movie hadn't completly rocked, this would have ruined the movie for me entirely, and not for any fault of the movie either.


-anyway, Smith's utter contempt for humans was spectacular (as was Bain's speech) as was the Dock fight (which I'm gladd the CG bots didn't look as crappy as they did in the preview)

-who was the chick with Zee during the fight?

-the Bot Captain ("we'll give them hell before we do") looked too much like Locke, I spent a good portion of the movie assuming it was the same guy. till one of em died.

I remember reading in a magazine article (Esquire, I think)that during the Super Fight the raindrops were gonna have matrix code in them , I was thouroughly disappointed to see that they were not there. it would have looked mihty fine having the marix code falling and bouncing of Smith and Neo's faces throughout the fight. the Matrix would have really felt "falling apart" with that little touch (that probably wouldhave snet the film over budget and over deadline)

[whitmore_sean]

There really wasn't ALL that much in the end that you had to figure out for yourself.

What seems to be a point of confusion for a lot of people is whether or not Zion was in the real world or another part of the Matrix. This confused me too, until I rewatched the Architect scene in Reloaded a couple times. Nobody ever said that Zion was part of the Matrix. What they said was that Zion is "just another form of control". In other words, the machines allowed Zion to exist to occupy the humans' times, and destroyed it whenever it became an inconveniance (5 times).

So does that mean Neo had powers in the real world? Yes. Sort of a narrative cheat, but I sure couldn't think of any way for him to reach the Machine City.

The Oracle didn't have anything to do with the destruction of the Smiths (except peripherally). When Smith absorbed her, he obtained the power to see the future, and saw his own victory. At this point, Smith no longer had any choice over anything. He felt he had to follow the dance steps to conclusion. Unlike the times Oracle lied to Neo (like telling him he wasn't The One), which was what Neo needed to hear to fight his destiny. When Neo improvised and allowed himself to be assimilated, it blindsided the HELL out of Smith.

The cryptic "everything that has a beginning has an ending" bit is related to the recurring "we're all here to do what we're all here to do" line. Neo was there to end the war. He began to do that back in the first movie. And his job ended during that last fight with Smith (hence the Oracle's last minute reminder).

And yes, Neo is gone. Dead, assimilated, evolved, I dunno, I don't care, he's gone. Oracle's prediction that they'll meet again could mean any one of a million things...not the least of which is it's just something calming to say to a small child.

In the end, anyone who wants out of the Matrix gets (or will get) released. That's the Oracle's whole deal: choice. The machines don't need as much energy anymore, now that the war's over and they can turn their attention toward fixing the sky. And besides...how many humans WANT to be woken up to go live in we-all-wear-cotton-here Zion? Not I. Cypher said it best: "ignorance is bliss."

As for Sati being able to control the sunrise...well, there IS no sunrise. :)

(And just so we're all clear, the original movie NEVER should have had any sequels, and I don't just mean because the sequels weren't good or something. The original's ending was just note-for-note brilliant and perfect. The sequels had some fun to them, but all they really accomplished was explaining what didn't need to be explained. Discuss.)


SEAN

[Weatherman]

I posted some thoughts earlier, but there's one thign I didn't post earlier that's been nawing at me for the last few days....

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TWINS?!?!

The Club Hel sequence had such amazing potential to be a most butt-kicking gun and martial arts fight if the twins had been there, but they completly passed on the oppertunity, rendering Persephone useless, the Merovingian impotent and the roles on Morpheus, Trinity and Seraph miniscule. That scene could have easily surpased the loby shoot out "concrete dance" from the first movie, and they let it die. :mad:

That being said, I refer back to what I said before. I can accept that this is the end of The Matrix and that Neo is dead and used his reactivation code to destory Smith and reboot the Matrix.

[wrenchien]

they're actually showing it in mexico , in reynosa now. in spanish dub, apparently.

dunno how it's doing over there, but i guess it'll do well.

so yes it's already airing elsewhere. is that a good thing.. or a bad thing?

[Starflyer 58]

I thought every single aspect of this movie was poetry, it was beautiful. Morpheus acting terrified through the whole movie since his entire belief was destroyed at the end of 2. Neo realizing that he must go to 01, and may not return, him and Morpheus' goodbye nearly brought me to a tear, because I knew that that was it. These two would never meet again, and a comraderie that I had been living with for 6 years was over.

Trinity's last scene, damn all you people who felt it was too drawn-out and corny, I thought it was a beautiful way to end a relationship as serious as theirs. And she went out with style too, keep in mind, she's the only human who's seen the ACTUAL sun in nearly 600 years. If that's one of the last few things I saw, as I died in the arms of my loved one as I professed my love to them one last time, I would die with a smile.

As did Trinity.

THANK YOU, David Lucas. Finally somebody else who didn't just like the movie but embraced it as much as I did. Woo-freakin'-hoo. I tell ya, I haven't been THIS blown away/hopelessly engrossed in a film for a long, long time. Trinity and Neo are my heroes and it was painful to watch them die, but I thought both their deaths were so heartbreakingly beautiful... the whole thing affected me in a way I hadn't expected it to. This film is so renewing and inspiring an experience every time I see it. I cannot fathom the mass criticism being launched against it; I am just so far from the reviewers' mindset when it comes to these films.

Oh, and I must say that I think Don Davis' score for this was the best out of the three. The way all of those relatively simple, post-modern themes come into their final incarnations is just... wow. He's done some brilliant, underappreciated work on this trilogy.

Just for the heck of it I will post the translated lyrics for Neodammerung - it's a lovely summary of the Matrix myth, and Revolutions in particular.

From delusion lead me to truth
From darkness lead me to light
From death lead me to immortality.

He who knows both knowledge and action, with action overcomes death and with knowledge reaches immortality.

In him are woven the sky and the earth and all the regions of the air, and in him rest the mind and all the powers of life. Know him as the ONE and leave aside all other words. He is the bridge of immortality.

Beyond the senses is the mind, and beyond the mind is reason, its essence. Beyond reason is the Spirit in man, and beyond this is the Spirit of the Universe, the evolver of all.

When the five senses and the mind are still, and reason itself rests in silence, then begins the Path supreme.

And when he is seen in his immanence and transcendence, then the ties that have bound the heart are unloosened, the doubts of the mind vanish, and the law of Karma works no more.

[Morpheus]

An explaination of the Ending:

In response to bad reviews of Matrix Revolutions film, I try and shed some light on its significance. Despite practically every critic slamming it, I want to give you my perspective. It does not give you all the truths to the film, but hopefully you will have a much higher appreciation for it. I warn readers, DO NOT READ THIS IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE SPOILED.







****Spoilers****














From day one, the Matrix saga has kept up a theme that lived within the character's actions and names. I am not talking about simple representations of names, but on a much deeper level how they react because of those names. The first Matrix film opened up our eyes to another world and reality, and did it simply, and therefore it was good. Yet, I ask you, does the finest poetry or best piece of art have to completely explain itself. Of course not. But, unfortunately critics are not ready for a film of this poetic magnitude.

Reloaded and Revolutions gradually unveil the machine's true intentions and motivations through very, and I mean very, subtle cues. Whether or not you'll be astonished by this truth, I am not sure, but the Matrix IS completely fueled by religious beliefs, which in turn give the human race hope and PURPOSE. I am not talking about praying at mass here, I'm talking about everything we know about Greek mythology or Christianity lives and breaths in the Matrix, and was created by machines. Why you may ask? How else could they control an entire species of intellectuals who do not have a purpose or hope in enslavement. How about the ones that specifically reject the matrix? Will more and more keep rejecting it? No, religion is made by the machines to keep humans in their slumber. Yet, this is not necessarily a malicious intent. If you watched the animatrix prequel you would understand the unusual sympathy that the machines give human despite their cruelties. It is a war going on, BUT the machines keep the humans in their tubes until it is proven that peace is possible. Machines are the logical creatures in the world, they do what they need to survive based on equations, and they are waiting for the time that they can once again co-exist with humanity without having it as a mathematical threat. That's where NEO comes in. Neo is obviously a Christ/ Jesus/ messiah character. Yet it is ironic that he is most likely less human than everyone else. Neo, meaning one, has no family whatsoever, he constantly questions as illustrated though Neo asking `why' every 5 seconds in all 3 films. Neo is most likely 'grown' or constructed by the machines. Whoa. Too much to handle? Let me give you some more background material before I go on.

First of all, let's clear some names. Merovingian is closely linked to Hades. In fact he is Hades, and his wife as the tale suggests is Persephone, Monica Belluci. He controls the passage between worlds. The train man controls purgatory. Seraph, the Oracle's protector, is defined as the highest level of angel. What does he do in the movie? He's essential a guardian angel that protects. Now, the biggest truth. what is the Oracle? The oracle is the human god, in fact the New Testament God. It is a program made by the machines with a lot of power to give us hope. GOD must therefore have a human sentiment; unlike the Architect who represents the Old Testament God (the two are obviously very different in the movie and Bible). Yet, the Oracle like the Christian New Testament God knows everything and is all-powerful, but can not control free will. That is why she can not decide what CHOICES people will make, especially Neo. Neo is the most interesting of them all. Like Jesus who was made in our image but given God's power. Neo is made in our image with god-like (the supreme god of everything is the machine god - face at end of film) machine powers. When Neo chooses to not make the LOGICAL, mathematical choice of choosing to save the human race, but rather picks the other door to save trinity, he does it for emotion; something a machine is not supposed to understand. Granted I can not argue that neo is a machine, but it's possible. It's possible that he is super-genetically created by the machines. Nevertheless, the machines somehow give Neo his powers. Likewise, Agent Smith is created like Jesus (through Death) but is his negative, or the anti-Christ, the being that will bring judgment day with it to destroy everyone (takes over everyone's body)

As Neo starts to understand what he has to do in Purgatory, the train station, he can finally make the jump from hell (Zion) to heaven (machine city). This stuff is highly Dante symbolized. As Neo goes to the machine city, or Paradiso, he can not bring Trinity and he has to be blind. Dante was blinded by the lights (think about all the lights that Neo saw) and could not face God, sorry it had to be a machine people. but it is. Also for your information, Morpheus most likely symbolizes Virgil in Dante, because he can bring people back and forth through the worlds but not to heaven and he is the guide. Neo then sacrifices himself, just like Jesus did, so that peace can be restored, and the gates (of heaven) could be opened. The machines accept the peace because Neo gave away everything for the love of the human race, including himself. If he is somehow machine, it is more powerful that he has learned to love his enemy (TRINITY) and proves that humans are now ready for peace. Therefore the architect says at the end of the film that whoever wants to go will be able to, meaning that the Neo has finally opened the gates even if it is more of a figurative sense. The other 5-6 neo's did not accomplish this task. They could not sacrifice themselves for emotion. They did not understand love and they would not give up everything to make change, just as Jesus did.

If you do not trust my convictions, research for yourself the Judgment day in the bible. Research Dante's inferno, purgatorio and paradise. Then look up and research each of the character's names and how that relates to the movie. You will find yourself very surprised that everything seems to line up. Obviously there are many more questions to answer, and I do not have them. I find it completely fascinating that Wachowski brothers have created a modern Dante tale without anyone knowing it. I think most people were not ready to accept that religion is both artificial and real in this film world, and that even though religion might be fake in the matrix world it still does its purpose even in the real world. I find it absolutely fascinating that the Wachowski brothers have taken everything we visualize about the afterlife, and made it into a sci-fi universe, where heaven is actually a machine world and hell is a multi-leveled human city under ground. These ideas are all just as profound as the first matrix, but they did not shove it into our face and give us definite answers. The Wachowki brothers, on the other hand, had the ability because of their freedom (made so much money) that they could make art and not worry what the critics would say. I apologize that this is a winded and more of some kind of Emersonian train of thought explanation, but hopefully this will help people change their minds about it. Time will tell if the Matrix Revolutions is as profound as I believe it to be.

[LazyReaper]

Morpheus, that just cleared up a WHOLE LOT of things in Revolutions for me. Thank you. I saw this movie a few days ago and I had mixed feelings. The actions and the fx were great. But the story was something that I couldn't figure out because I know next to nothing about the origins of Christianity and the story of Dante. After reading all that. I'm surprised. I really am. I hope they come out with a set for the 3 movies all together so I can see it at once. Hopefully with this explanation, I can view the Matrix trilogy to its fullest potential.

Thanks again Morpheus :).


-Aximlli-

[Morpheus]

I wrote that for extra credit in psychology. I sent a copy to a friend on the Internet, and he put it on a website.

I got an "A", thank god.

[The Falcon]

yeah. that was a really thorough explanation. i liked it. do you think the wachowski (sp?) brothers were going for a christianity angle all along?

Falcon

[Morpheus]

Yes and no.

Also the website he put it on is down from so many hits...

[Beat]

I dunno. Midway through the film, I likened Neo's quest to the Machine City to Frodo's journey to Mordor and Mt. Doom to end the war. The ending seemed contradictory to what they were saying during the first film, that the only way for peace to be achieved was for the Matrix to be destroyed.

The action was top-notch, and Monica Belluci was hot as ever.

[Morpheus]

Can someone get a pic of that maybe? (shrugs)


Done...


http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rv_img/photo_rev_control_02.jpg

And done again...

http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/rv_img/photo_rev_oct_26.jpg

[Morpheus]

Did anyone else think Morpheus was going to die and Trinity live?

Just trying to answer all of the questions that were left unanswered...

No, because the amount of forshadowing was impowering.

Just out of curiosity, but did anyone catch the Jesus/Bible refrence at the end?

YES. It was incredible, but most of the references turn to dante more than christ.

and did anyone feel drowned in symbolism and metaphors?

Actually, there weren't enough.

I should point out that the only way to see The Matrix Revolutions is immediately after having seen The Matrix Reloaded. They are basically one movie.

They are... They were filmed in Austraila and California at the same time, simular to lord of the rings...

Oh, and did anybody catch the hefty Animatrix reference with the Kid?

It can't really be called a reference because the purpose of the animatrix was to explain things that would be needed in the sequels. Hence, 01.

1)I believe Sati was the person the prophecy was talking about, not that she was the one, but the human that could reshape the Matrix in anyway she saw fit. And yes I belive she was human (inside) since she was born out of love. I belive she can reshape the Matrix because of what she said at the end to the Oracle O:"Did you do that?"(looks at sunrise) S:"Yes, for Neo."
She was able to create a sunrise and now has control over the Matrix...somewhat.

2)I also believe that the Machines never wanted humans as a power source but more as a way to study them and how they think feel love and react. Afterall, I thnk the whole point of the part where Neo and Trinity rise up to the sun was to show that it was still there, and not hard to reach. The machines could have devised a way to still get power from the sun.

3)I love how the Wachowski Bros made some people think that Neo is alive and will one day come back. Sound familiar? Its the whole story of the resurection of Jesus.

4)The Oracle set the whole thing up from the word go. She created Smith, and she knew what he was capable of (S:"Hello Mom") She also created the One in the hope that these two would fight and bring about peace and the end of the war. If Smith hadnt of taken everyone over the Machines wouldnt of needed Neo, and Neo wouldnt have been able to negotiate the end of the war.

5) If peace between humans and machines is entirely in the hands of the humans. Just as the architect says, "What do you think I am....human?" Because he knows humans have an affinity for breaking there word.

6)Neo had to die. Just as the Keymaker said in Reloaded, "We do, only what we are meant to do.." Neo's purpose was to end the war, which he did. After that he was "deleted" or died just as a program that has fulfilled its purpose does. (I personally think he is still alive since the last shots of him looked like he was still breathing and he was just out of it. Everyone else Smith took over turned back to normal, why not Neo? Bah)

I agree with you on your standpoints execpt for #1. I think that she was a program that was in charge of weather and the middlepoint of creation, meaning she controls all, but cannot shape it, or else the one would have no purpose.

I still don't get the reason why did the Oracle changed form(in the movie plot, I know that the actress died)

Her old form was destroyed by the Merovingian. She forgot things, but never lost her purpose, which is why she is still there. Example:

Oracle: You must be Ghost?
Ghost: Who are you?
Oracle: I am the Oracle.
Ghost: If that's true, then what's my response to that postulate?
Oracle: Truth is an event, and only through experience can the veracity of a truth be verified.
Ghost: William James.
Ghost: Thank you.
Oracle: Ghost, you still love her, don't you?
Ghost: As much as she loves another.
Oracle: That is a hard path to walk.
Ghost: Nietzsche said it best "One must want nothing to be different-not forward, not backward, not in all eternity. Not only bear what is necessary, but to love it."
Oracle: Armor fati. You're a good man, Ghost. If somehow we do survive, if the path does continue, I hope it is made by others like you.

Or as Edian explained,
In Ghost's scenario, the Oracle explains to him that two programs had sold the code to her shell to the Merovingian in exchange for the safety of their child. When asked why she allowed this, the Oracle explained that the child was very important. This child was Sati.

If the truth is revealed to the humans jacked into the Matrix...how many would want to be "free?" How many SHOULD want to be free?

It has, by smith. Man and Machine have put their differences aside, meaning a better tommarow.

I'm sure we'll be seeing a MATRIX animated series before too long.

Wow. Have you heard of the animatrix?

What? How does Humanity as a whole know the Matrix isnt real? How did Smith let them know? Smith infected the people inside, but when Smith was killed, the people returned to who they were. Only Oracle and Sati knew what happened.

Don't forget the archetecht, and also, they will have memories of the fight and the truth, hence the ending.

I noticed Persphone was only in that one scene in the club. And she was with her husband again, even though they had an argument in "Reloaded."

What's up with that?

Well, she's a program, and since she can't be in the real world, and most of the movie was in the real world...

I remember reading in a magazine article (Esquire, I think)that during the Super Fight the raindrops were gonna have matrix code in them , I was thouroughly disappointed to see that they were not there. it would have looked mihty fine having the marix code falling and bouncing of Smith and Neo's faces throughout the fight. the Matrix would have really felt "falling apart" with that little touch (that probably wouldhave snet the film over budget and over deadline)

You read that in Premiere, and the rain looked like matrix code. Look at a still picture of the fight scene.

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE TWINS?!?!

Naturally, they were killed in the highway chase, and lost their purpose, which was to protect the Merovingian.

Oh, and I must say that I think Don Davis' score for this was the best out of the three. The way all of those relatively simple, post-modern themes come into their final incarnations is just... wow. He's done some brilliant, underappreciated work on this trilogy.

Just for the heck of it I will post the translated lyrics for Neodammerung - it's a lovely summary of the Matrix myth, and Revolutions in particular.

From delusion lead me to truth
From darkness lead me to light
From death lead me to immortality.

He who knows both knowledge and action, with action overcomes death and with knowledge reaches immortality.

In him are woven the sky and the earth and all the regions of the air, and in him rest the mind and all the powers of life. Know him as the ONE and leave aside all other words. He is the bridge of immortality.

Beyond the senses is the mind, and beyond the mind is reason, its essence. Beyond reason is the Spirit in man, and beyond this is the Spirit of the Universe, the evolver of all.

When the five senses and the mind are still, and reason itself rests in silence, then begins the Path supreme.

And when he is seen in his immanence and transcendence, then the ties that have bound the heart are unloosened, the doubts of the mind vanish, and the law of Karma works no more.

It is a beautiful song, have you heard Juno Reactor's remix, Navras?(16th track)

[Conekiller]

Naturally, they were killed in the highway chase, and lost their purpose, which was to protect the Merovingian.



But if you look at their final scene it looks like they "ghosted" to either avoid being killed or heal themselves fomrthe damage they received upon the explosion.

[Morpheus]

It did, but it also looked like they were turned to ash..

[Drachentöter]

I recognize that the Matrix sequels are influenced by religious symbolism and the characters have always had ties with mythology/literature. And I like the idea that religion was introduced by the Matrix. However, I'm pretty sure the original Matrix was made to be standard sci-if/action fare. Hence why it is so different from Reloaded/Revolutions. I don't mind when creators add meaning after making the product, but apparently some people do.

[Beat]

It runs contradictory to what the first film says. That's not added symoblism, that's a plot hole.

It always seemed like it was leading up to an ending where all the machines were destroyed and the sky was openend again.

[Clayface]

However, I'm pretty sure the original Matrix was made to be standard sci-if/action fare.

I'm not sure that's really the case. The brothers said way back when they were making the first movie that they wanted to make the utimate super-hero movie, and that the first movie was really just all the introduction/set-up to the movie they really wanted to make. They had to make it stand on its own, since there was no garuntee of a sequel at the time, but they definitely had the idea for Reloaded/Revolution in their heads even when making the first flick.

[Eidan]

It runs contradictory to what the first film says. That's not added symoblism, that's a plot hole.

It always seemed like it was leading up to an ending where all the machines were destroyed and the sky was openend again.

Morpheus says the only way to free the human race was to destroy the Matrix was because he didn't see how peace could be negotiated with the machines. Neo found the way.

Hmm...seemed to me you simply assumed what the ending would be, and were blatantly wrong. Good thing I never tried to guess how the movies would end.

[EinBebop]

Is there anything else that happened in the Enter the Matrix game that we should know about? :p Like perhaps what the Oracle told Niobe?

For every beginning there is an ending...

...but every ending is a new beginning. The world(s) as left at the end of the trilogy is a springboard for endless stories, which I'm hoping will be explored in either novel or animated form in the years to come.

[Avery]

I think you're explination makes a lot of sense, Morpheus. The only things I realy saw different were the Oracle and the Architect as the old school, pagan type God and Goddess, order and chaos. The Empress/Emporer sort of thing. And the source the Neo tapped into was God itself. I think I heard an interview somewhere where the Wachowski's talked about the religious stuff coming up in this movie, and said that just as the had made Zion culturally diverse, they wanted to blend many religions together. Which, obviously, they achieved.

[Discloner]

Is there anything else that happened in the Enter the Matrix game that we should know about? :p Like perhaps what the Oracle told Niobe?


Not playing the game is like not watching Final Flight of the Osiris.

When reloaded starts they explain it all again, but its not the same without the EXTRA explaination that the animatrix will give you. Same can be said about the game.

[whitmore_sean]

Is there anything else that happened in the Enter the Matrix game that we should know about? :p Like perhaps what the Oracle told Niobe?


Niobe actually said what the Oracle told her in the movie. The Oracle said that Neo would need Niobe's help, and Niobe would either choose to give it to him or not.



SEAN

[EinBebop]

Niobe actually said what the Oracle told her in the movie. The Oracle said that Neo would need Niobe's help, and Niobe would either choose to give it to him or not.Oh yeah. :o Thanks!

[Kinel Ozoa]

I watched it last night. Between reading the explinations on this board and my own thoughts ont he matter. I liked it. Alot. Loved it even. I might even go see it again if I wern't so stripped for cash. From movies like this it always seems to be mediocre endings where everything turns out perfect in the end.

But all the sacrifices made by Neo, Trinity, Zion coupled with the way the movie ended with Smith taking over Neo it was just good. I was very plesently surprised. I saw the Neo just letting Smith do it a mile away but it was great seeing Mr. Smith freak out like that. First ocnfused, then scared, then angry, then calm, then boom.

Plus everything WASN'T ok in the end. Like the reality it should be the future is unknown and uncertain. I'm sure the machines will have no problem keeping their end of the peace given what the Animatrix showed. (Even though I think it was mean to be taken as a loose interpritation, not meant to be taken as the end all be all of what really happend.) But the obvious problem is with the human race. Will they be able to coexist with their oppressers? If most certainly their will be poeple whom are hard to adjust to such a situasion I'm sure. So it might just start all over again.

That's what I loved about it. It isn't over. A new struggle begins probably harder than the war itself. Rebuilding what they once had.

Oh and in defence of the game I rather enjoyed Enter the Matrix. It wasn't perfect, but it wasn't bad either. Good rental at the very least.

[The Guard]

There are rumors now that WB is not pleased with the box office performance of THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS, and that the DVD may be out before Christmas, or perhaps as part of a Matrix Trilogy boxed set.

[HellCat]

Not playing the game is like not watching Final Flight of the Osiris.

When reloaded starts they explain it all again, but its not the same without the EXTRA explaination that the animatrix will give you. Same can be said about the game.

Good thing I got to see it on TV before I saw Reloaded then. Could of done without the whole "Looky what we can do with computers!" fanservice fight (but that's for another talkback)

[Jaguar]

Finally got a chance to see Revolutions. Let me tell you, after reading all the reviews I was expecting a huge crappy letdown. Well, I'll say one thing:

It was different. It started out great, then turned sappy, then got boring, then had a totally awesome "dude-look-at-all-these-effects" fight scene--the best fight scene I've ever seen--between Neo and Agent Smith.

Then we get to the ending, I'm all like OH MY GOD and I hear like six different four-letter-words repeating themselves over and over again to me in my head.

I leave the theater, half-impressed, half-dejected, expecting more but still being satisfied.

Six hours and 34 minutes later, I sit here, depressed with the ending running over and over again in my head.

Damn you Wachowski brothers.
Damn you for leaving the world on a cliffhanger.

Final Grade:B+

[Conekiller]

I heard the PC Matrix Online game will deal with the events follwoign REVOLUTIONS.

here's hoping


here's hoping it plays better than Enter the Matrix :shrug:

[Beat]

Great. Another Everquest. Spend 10 hours pressing the attack button on virtual rats. :mad:

I'll stick with Planetside.

[Morpheus]

I thought that Planetside sucked...

[Jaguar]

I thought that Planetside sucked...
Eh, I thought it was pretty good. I just hope it can establish a community of gamers that aren't campers.

[Kolbar]

I finally got a chance to see it tonight.

Let me just say it plainly: THIS MOVIE STINKS!

It was just downright boring and stupid. I didn't find it exciting at all. I never really cared for the first two movies, but Matrix: Revolutions is by far the worst of the Matrix trilogy, in my opinion.

For most of the movie, I just tuned it out and thought about other things that I needed to do.Okay, I admit it. I don't understand the Matrix. It seems like a lot of people here do, but I don't and I'm sure that there are other people here who don't understand it, but are scared to admit it.

The only reason I came to see this movie was because I thought it would explain the other two and actually tell you what the heck was going on.

Some parts got really, really boring. The war part was really stupid, annoying, and boring. Some other parts were also slow and boring.

One of the worst movies I've seen in a while. If they make a fourth one, I will not see it.

Since 0 stars is not an option, I'm giving it something higher than it deserves, 1/2 stars.

[Dr.Zar]

You know, it's pretty damn funny when somone says they hated "The Matrix Revolutions" because it shows they know next to nothing about what was going on in it.

This Movie is NOT, and I repeat, NOT FOR "POPCORN" MOVIE FANS, IT'S A STORY FOR THE MATRIX FANS

It made perfect sesne, the fight scenes were incredible, and the way the film ended was not ridiculous it left things in the air, and that represents how perfect the franchise will continue to remain in the eyes of it's true fanbase.

But as for the Matrix Online, it better have a good plot, and not simply a game where you shoot, shoot, shoot.

[Morpheus]

Go check the Matrix Online website. MAJOR UPDATE, and since where I work will be selling this, I will be getting alot of promotional material.