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laugh4me
10-01-2001, 09:50 AM
For your reading pleasure... ;) Here are a couple of clips out of a article discussing the current situation in Hollywood - what new films should they produce in this new wartime? It also talks about the WB cartoons from WWII and how times have changed... The complete article is here... (http://199.97.97.16/contWriter/endnews2/2001/10/01/enter/4042-0292-pat_nytimes.html)

Any comments?
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Hollywood's Role to Gauge U.S. (10/01)
Greg Hernandez c.2001 Los Angeles Daily News
History has shown that even during times of war, Americans still will flock to the movies. But the conundrum facing Hollywood right now is figuring out what types of films will resonate with the public if the country indeed becomes engaged in a lengthy war.

If this were the World War II era, it would be easy to come up with product: Warner Bros., for example, could churn out something along the lines of, ``Bugs Bunny bugs bin Laden.'' After all, the wisecracking cartoon rabbit became an American icon in anti-German and anti-Japanese film shorts during the second world war.

But those types of cartoons and the patriotic wartime films popular in previous eras would be a much harder sell in today's market, industry experts say, despite the current nationwide surge in patriotism. Studios must now carefully consider how well a film will play outside the United States with international box office receipts such a critical part of a film's financial bottom line.

``You have to think of the world,'' said movie executive Bill Mechanic, former chairman of Fox Films. ``Will the world accept a common enemy? They have not accepted, to date, the Arabs as the enemy. Germany and Japan in WWII made clear-cut villains as opposed to the grayer world we live in today. This is a much more faceless enemy and not a country.''

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Almost as soon as America entered WWII in 1941, some of Hollywood's top filmmakers began making patriotic propaganda such as Frank Capra's ``Divide and Conquer'' and John Ford's Pearl Harbor documentary, ``December 7.''

``The films were very, very anti-German and would have an angelic, young American soldier and innocent nurse with titles like 'To Hell With the Kaiser' and 'Why America Will Win,''' said Hanson, editor of the American Film Institute's Film Catalogue.

Other war-oriented films such as ``Bataan'' and ``30 Seconds Over Tokyo'' were mixed in with lighter fare such as Betty Grable films and popular film series featuring the characters of Andy Hardy, Maisie and Blondie. The war also brought Hollywood musicals back to life with such films as ``Anchors Away'' and ``For Me and My Gal.''

``There were very few films made during that time with contemporary settings that didn't at least touch on the war even if it was something mild like discussing rations,'' Hanson said. ``It really permeated the movies that were made.''

It was also during WWII that Bugs Bunny firmly established himself in the hearts of American audiences with his brash, can-do persona. Bugs and company spent the war tackling enemies such as German goats in ``Scrap Happy Daffy'' and headlined a 1944 short cartoon, the title of which included now-offensive slang to describe Japanese.

``It's hard to imagine you are going to find a war on the scale and style of WWI and WWII,'' Mechanic said. ``You won't have the level of propaganda. The country was in a different place. A lot of those movies now are impossible to watch, they are racist and so jingoistic.''

BourgeoisBuffoon
10-01-2001, 12:36 PM
Hmm....interesting. I'm sure that once we DO get an enemy, we'll get at least one war 'toon, no matter what the rest of the world thinks. If not, there are lotsa underground and fan studios that will make some for the audience...

happyheathen
10-01-2001, 04:41 PM
the problem is that the enemy is a fringe of a religion comprised of approximately 1.2 BILLION individuals, and aside from the taliban's penchant for black turbans, THEY DON'T WEAR UNIFORMS, nor do they all gather is a single location for easy disposal.

If you want to compare the current battle (Pakistani press is reporting the campaign to unseat the Taliban has begun), compare it with Vietnam - not many (if any) cartoons, one (embarassing) film, and about 2 songs (pro-war) - LOTS of anti-war songs and movies

OK trivia:

PRO:

movie:

do not remember the title, John Wanye ('natch) and some Vietnamese kid (about 9-10 yrs) in Ft. Benning (GA) watching the sun set off the coast of 'Vietnam' - check geography - from Vietnam, the sun RISES over the South China Sea...

songs:

Universal Coward (Jan & Deans death knell)

The Ballad of the Green Berets

ANTI:

movies:

MASH
King of Hearts (*)
(any counter-culture)
many I can't remember

* - althoug not about 'Nam specifically, definitely anti-war


Songs:

Universal Soldier
Blowin' in the Wind
Who'll Stop the Rain
WAR
Give Peace a Chance
The Great Mandala

(100's more...)

conclusion - don't expect much...

BobChief
10-02-2001, 12:44 AM
Ol' Duke only made one Vietnam movie to our knowledge, Dave: The Green Berets (1968), which he also co-directed.

Your sunset story checks out with a poster under its listing on IMDb: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0063035

happyheathen
10-02-2001, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by BobChief
Ol' Duke only made one Vietnam movie to our knowledge, Dave: The Green Berets (1968), which he also co-directed.

Your sunset story checks out with a poster under its listing on IMDb: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0063035

of course the movie would be named after the song...

'put silver wings on my son's chest.
make him one of America's best
100 men they'll test some day
let my son win the green beret'

a soldier, dying of combat wounds, wishes his son to follow in his footsteps - a friend of mine died in 'nam because of this kind of thinking - let's hope it ends soon...