What would you do to make Cartoon Network great again

[nakak]

Remember years ago when Cartoon Network aired old cartoons? And now, in the year 2003, there are only 2.3 percent classic cartoons on CN, just bunch of those crappy Cartoon Cartoons (although I am fond of "Ed, Edd n Eddy")? You can tell is going too far when they reduced the airing time for classic Warner Brothers cartoons. What would you add in the lineup to make CN better again?

I would add UPA, Walter Lantz, Jay Ward, National Film Board, and DePatie-Freleng cartoons (again) to the lineup, and maybe those 1960s Paramount cartoons (Honey Halfwitch, Nudnik, and stuff).

What would add to the lineup?

[Sogturtle]

Remember years ago when Cartoon Network aired old cartoons? And now, in the year 2003, there are only 2.3 percent classic cartoons on CN, just bunch of those crappy Cartoon Cartoons (although I am fond of "Ed, Edd n Eddy")? You can tell is going too far when they reduced the airing time for classic Warner Brothers cartoons. What would you add in the lineup to make CN better again?

I would add UPA, Walter Lantz, Jay Ward, National Film Board, and DePatie-Freleng cartoons (again) to the lineup, and maybe those 1960s Paramount cartoons (Honey Halfwitch, Nudnik, and stuff).

What would add to the lineup?



Charles~

Welcome on board our little ship!! (or is it a boat?? :p )

Virtually all of us would dump the Cartoon Cartoons into the waters of the Pacific though they'd likely kill all plant and aquatic life for thousands of miles around and for multiplied generations... :bugs1: :wolfie: :lepew: [I'd chuck in all of the "Adulterous Swim" just to see it drown quickly...] As for little moi I'd (of course) bring out ALL of the Warners, MGM, DePatie-Freleng cartoons and program away. To this I'd mix in ALL of the Fleischer sound-cartoons... Then I'd gleefully program in the Lantz stuff, but with the careful proviso of anything post 1956 by Paul J. Smith being quietly returned unopened (and hermetically sealed to avoid casualties). I'd also grab up Clampett's Beany & Cecil and all of Chuck's TV specials, plus the whole Columbia cartoon library. These would all play darned well alongside the others named above.

A lot of my compatriots would love to see the large libraries of Famous and Terry cartoons included as well. I personally have my reservations about this as they don't come out any too well when placed in immediate proximity to the Warner and MGM output. I'd think the only way to fairly air them would be to have a large block of just Famous and Terry.

Mixing in Jay Ward's programs (ditto Roger Ramjet) is do-able humor-wise, but when placed beside the real bonafide theatrical classics, these TV toons come out lookin' mighty crappy (as far as animation). They actually work just as well with the picture turned off (the "animation" in them is all but superfluous). Buuuuuut they'd make great insulation between the west coast and east coast theatrical toons...

[Annnnnd in all seriousness I'd dump the "Cartoon Cartoons" and "Adult Swim" onto Boomerang.]

Just my warped thoughts.

[RKillian]

Cartoon Network, in the old days, had only 2 types of animation: classic and 1960s-1980s. Later Toonami and Adult Swim brought us anime, and sometime in there we got Cartoon Cartoons. And it was a fairly tolerable balance too.

We still have only 4 kinds of animation on the network. Adult Swim does anime for 2 hours a night, Looney Tunes gets some time on Saturday morning, Scooby Doo goes on a couple times (2 years ago he was on 7 times a day), and the rest goes to Cartoon Cartoons. Occasionally something like GIJoe or BTAS will show up at 3 in the morning. I consider TF Armada a glorified CC, so the only one that doesn't fit this scheme is HeMan.

Most of the 1960s-1980s animation got dumped over to Boomerang, along with some of the excess Scooby Doo. Unfortunately, though, some of the good syndicated shows playing in CN's glory days were sent to oblivion instead of the new channel.

So, back to the point, I wish they'd balance a little better. People DID and WILL watch Thundercats and Voltron. They'd also watch Challenge of the GoBots, and the countless other non-classic Hanna Barbera cartoons. We don't need a trillionth rerun of Cowboy Bebop or Scooby Doo.

Honestly, what would make the most sense would be to split CN up 3 ways.

1. Boomerang - exclusively Hanna Barbera with perhap some other stuff from that era like TCats and Voltron. Take 3 hours a day for LooneyTunes.
2. a new Cartoon Cartoon channel to compete with Nickelodeon...put Scooby there too, especially What's New, becuase that's aimed at children or those with childlike reasoning abilities. Take 2 hours for LT.
3. Original CN to carry AS, Toonami, and other odd stuff like BTAS and the new HeMan. Take 2 hours for LT.

Then maybe somewhere in there for Woody Woodpecker and Rocky and Bullwinkle. Furthermore, on channel 1, there should be an alternating rotation. Basically you schedule twice as much for a week as you would on a normal station. Once one show finishes it's run, it's alternate kicks in for a run, and then swaps the first show back in. Or maybe alternate by weeks or days instead of runs?

And then, since AOLTW owns the thousands of Comcast locations, MAKE ALL THREE AVAILABLE ON NON-DIGITAL CABLE EVERYWHERE, even if they're on the premium plan with HBO and Showtime.

[Killtacular]

Uh, a Cartoon Cartoon channel wouldn't be in more than 100,000 homes to start off with. It's not as if AOLTW can magically make it appear in everyone's homes. The cable providers have to agree to it.

And Comcast doesn't carry Boomerang in MANY areas. Some places it only carries it on onDemand. Some places, not at all.


Cartoon Network isn't really in need of a giant fix. All that really needs to be fixed are weekday mornings. There's nothing wrong with the afternoon lineup (kids want to see their cartoons when they get out of school/get home from the beach/etc). There's especially nothing wrong with the primetime lineup, since it's not focused on Cartoon Cartoons but a variety of both original and non-original programming, and even has Tom and Jerry now.

But the morning schedule is still very much in a state of an identity crisis. It doesn't know what it is. It starts off with two action shows at 6 am, a weird 2-9 block of shows from 7-9:30, cartoon cartoons until 11:30, a poorly placed Sylvester and Tweety at 11:30, and then Scooby. This block has no purpose. It has nothing that could really draw someone to watch it the whole way through.

If I were in charge of the network, I'd try and re-arrange it as follows:

Example:

5:00 - Boomerang
5:30 - Boomerang
6:00 - Boomerang
6:30 - Boomerang

7:00 - The Powerpuff Girls
7:30 - Ed Edd n Eddy

(this two hour block could be specially packaged, instead of just aired at random, to actually entice the little kids)
8:00 - Hamtaro
8:30 - Pokemon
9:00 - Sitting Ducks
9:30 - Pecola

10:00 - Sylvester and Tweety
10:30 - Freakazoid

11:00 - ACME Hour
11:30 - ACME Hour
12:00 - Bugs & Daffy
12:30 - Bugs & Daffy

1:00 - Scooby Doo Universe
1:30 - Scooby Doo Universe

There. Now the lineup is a little more controlled, less chaotic. And that would be two hours of Looney Tunes a day, not to mention Tom and Jerry still being on weeknights.

[Boy Wonder]

Actually, Adult Swim is cool. Anyway, I remember the 4 hour blocks, and I would to go grocery shopping with my mom just to see it. Now I'm happy just to see ONE on a weekday.

[Cartman]

What I would do is this:

Mornings/Afternoons:

Show a variety of cartoons ranging from classics to Adult Swim (so everyone is happy)

During Primetime Hours I would do something like this (I do not necessarily like these shows, but they should still be shown once in awhile because their fans have a right to see them just as much as we have a right to see the classics):

Adult Swim Sunday

Scooby Doo Monday

Toonami Tuesday

Classic Television Animation Wednesday (which would include "Flintstones," "Jetsons," "Rocky and Bullwinkle,")

Your Pick Thursday (in which a fan could call in and request what plays for a half-hour)

Cartoon Cartoon Friday (which we already have)

Classic Theatrical Cartoon Saturday

[Daniel P]

I would make the schedule be more organized and more balanced. The amount of Cartoon Cartoons and Scooby Doo would probably decrease the most if I made the schedule, in order to make it more balanced.

[RKillian]

Uh, a Cartoon Cartoon channel wouldn't be in more than 100,000 homes to start off with. It's not as if AOLTW can magically make it appear in everyone's homes. The cable providers have to agree to it.

And Comcast doesn't carry Boomerang in MANY areas. Some places it only carries it on onDemand. Some places, not at all.


Yes it can. They own the biggest cable distribution company in the entire country. Boomerang COULD be on basic cable in a month. And it could be at least OFFERED as a premium channel much sooner. Whether or not they choose to carry Boomerang now isn't in dispute...they're content to be morons with regard to it's availability.



Cartoon Network isn't really in need of a giant fix. All that really needs to be fixed are weekday mornings. There's nothing wrong with the afternoon lineup (kids want to see their cartoons when they get out of school/get home from the beach/etc). There's especially nothing wrong with the primetime lineup, since it's not focused on Cartoon Cartoons but a variety of both original and non-original programming, and even has Tom and Jerry now.

I think you need to watch a full week of Cartoon Network again. I can't tell if your line about variety was a poorly delivered joke or not.

And I'm not changing my stance on Carton Network's purpose. It was never meant to be a second Nickelodeon like it is now. No matter how you rearrange what they currently have playing (organized or not, which your idea was), that's what it is.

Not like any of this matters though. We're people who like cartoons as both an art form and a storytelling medium. The people who run the channel are bean counters, whether their chosen product is toons or fertilizer.

[Killtacular]

Mornings/Afternoons:

Show a variety of cartoons ranging from classics to Adult Swim (so everyone is happy)
Cartoon Network is not legally allowed to air Adult Swim during the daytime. Not now, anyway.


During Primetime Hours I would do something like this (I do not necessarily like these shows, but they should still be shown once in awhile because their fans have a right to see them just as much as we have a right to see the classics):

Adult Swim Sunday
The thing is, there are a lot of shows that belong to this block, especially NEW programs, that NEED the 5 days to catch on and keep being followed. Adult Swim Sundays are traditionally just reserved for the original programming from Williams Street, which are low in the number of episodes, thus only needing one day.


Scooby Doo Monday
AAaaaghhh!!!!

Seriously, though.

If we're going for the themed nights thing... do a CN Original Monday. He-Man, Samurai Jack, Justice League, Teen Titans, Duck Dodgers, Low Brow.


Toonami Tuesday
An additional Toonami slot in primetime sounds tasty. Perhaps they could do a Power to the People thing and let the voters pick what shows could air.


Classic Television Animation Wednesday (which would include "Flintstones," "Jetsons," "Rocky and Bullwinkle,")
Nothing wrong with that. But, see Saturday.


Your Pick Thursday (in which a fan could call in and request what plays for a half-hour)
For this, I'd prefer they bring back JBVO, but stretch it to a 3-hour format and do it semi-live. They said the technology allows them to do it live, so they should try it! See if it works.


Classic Theatrical Cartoon Saturday
The thing is, CN really wants to roll with SVES. It's their CCF for action cartoons. They know they can hook viewers into it with lots of different stunts (like Clone Wars). So they're not going to get rid of it.

Why not just merge the classic theatricals and classic television shows? Air Bugs & Daffy (one hour), Rocky & Bullwinkle, Flintstones, Yogi Bear, and Underdog. The best of all three (LT, HB, Other) worlds.

[Killtacular]

Yes it can. They own the biggest cable distribution company in the entire country. Boomerang COULD be on basic cable in a month. And it could be at least OFFERED as a premium channel much sooner. Whether or not they choose to carry Boomerang now isn't in dispute...they're content to be morons with regard to it's availability.
It couldn't be on basic cable in a month for Comcast users, because Comcast doesn't care for these new animation networks. They have kept Nicktoons TV (previously Nick Too) and Toon Disney on the digital package for a couple of years now, with no sign of putting them on basic cable in the near future.

Also, AOLTW doesn't own Comcast. AOLTW owns their own Time Warner Cable division. Which is also quite large. But it's not Comcast. I forget who Comcast is owned by. They used to be Suburban Cable in my area, before merging and renaming themselves.


I think you need to watch a full week of Cartoon Network again. I can't tell if your line about variety was a poorly delivered joke or not.
Primetime has variety. You've got Cartoon Cartoons, action cartoons, and a side of Tom & Jerry.

Considering the primetime lineup a year ago was almost entirely Cartoon Cartoons, this is a big improvement. Although they DID have Flintstones at night last year. But Flintstones was all over the network back then.. annoyingly.


And I'm not changing my stance on Carton Network's purpose. It was never meant to be a second Nickelodeon like it is now. No matter how you rearrange what they currently have playing (organized or not, which your idea was), that's what it is.
And yet it isn't. There's no horrible BET-wannabe rap stars infecting CN during each commercial break, no lame-ass live TRL-wannabe crap clogging up weekdays, no LAAAAME-ass SNL-wannabe crap clogging up weekends, no horribly unfunny thirteen year old girls getting their own TV shows, and no ad nauseum overnight reruns of not-too-old programming for months (Futurama and Family Guy are not ad nauseum yet, and Futurama is being taken off this month in fact).

It just needs a little help getting organized. The network's problem has always, ALWAYS been: either too much of something, or not enough. Boomerang seems to do a decent job at giving shows equal time, but then again, it doesn't have as large a library to deal with. Either way, this new vp of programming had better do something right in his first months.


Not like any of this matters though. We're people who like cartoons as both an art form and a storytelling medium. The people who run the channel are bean counters, whether their chosen product is toons or fertilizer.The people who run Cartoon Network love cartoons. Read Mike Lazzo's interview about the history of the network, it's quite interesting. Even though some of the newer executives are NOT people I'd want on CN, the majority of the staff at CN, CN On-Air, and Williams Street, are still major cartoon fans.

[Knothead]

The channel has grown in scope and popularity far beyond what I thought it ever would when it debuted. Still, with that growth some pretty big problems have now arisen.

The classic shorts should be shown at least 2 hours every day, and in such a way that they are showcased and celebrated. Not everyone will be up for buying the DVDs...some have never been exposed to these shorts. The "Totally Tuned In" package should be bought and aired regularly, too. I'm convinced that the older cartoons don't do as well these days simply because kids aren't all that familiar with them, and don't know what to make of it all.

The Cartoon Cartoons are not premiering as frequently as they once were. That some of the older Cartoon Cartoons are still on the air or in production is a huge mistake. In order to keep things fresh, "Johnny Bravo" and a few of the others should be pulled to make room for newer stuff...there should still be a place on CN for fresh ideas. To do this would cost money, but the whole World Premiere Toons program was founded on a gamble, and look how well it payed off!

Adult Swim is the smartest move CN has made in recent years, but I
regret how Anime-heavy it seems to have become. The block should reflect every adult's interests, not just those who love Japanese animation.

[Brandon Pierce]

I would do all that about giving the Looney Tunes, ec. bigger timeslots and show more rare cartoons more often (WB can't tell ME not to air native american cartoons, the cartoons with blacks in 'em might be a problem though. I'll need Wayne Brady as an assistant to help rectify that rule).

Plus, I'd buy the rights to Inspector Gadget and The Catilac Cats. And blow up NICK Studios and take Angry Beavers, Ren & Stimpy (old version), Rocko, and ZIm with me.

[Bugsmer]

This morning on CN, I'm sure you've noticed that, in addition to its usual logo in the corner of each cartoon, an ad for its new show Teen Titans was presented. It was an animated moving ad. It seems that perhaps CN's love for cartoons has gone a bit too far, to include a cartoon within a cartoon, or to show both at the same time. It's okay to time-compress cartoons, even edit them during certain parts of the day, but to show an uncensored ad within an edited cartoon? Luckily, CN still shows some great theatrically-released cartoons, even if only once a week, so it's still the best channel in the States or Canada to see these cartoons (if you exclude Boomerang); thus, it's the channel that most people in North America watch in order to see these. They're in control of every WB cartoon and scores of others, and they're still showing them, even if it means that their ratings will hurt. Good for you, Cartoon Network! Hang on till your wrists crimp! Give your all for Uncle Sam!

[nakak]

wow. that's alot of good idea. Like I said, I would air UPA, Jay Ward, late Paramount toons, DePatie-Freleng (I would especially return the long lost+forgotten "Blue Racer" and "Dogfather"), and stuff.

[Argus Sventon]

Futurama episodes have begun airing on TBS.

[Daniel P]

It couldn't be on basic cable in a month for Comcast users, because Comcast doesn't care for these new animation networks. They have kept Nicktoons TV (previously Nick Too) and Toon Disney on the digital package for a couple of years now, with no sign of putting them on basic cable in the near future.

Primetime has variety. You've got Cartoon Cartoons, action cartoons, and a side of Tom & Jerry.

And yet it isn't. There's no horrible BET-wannabe rap stars infecting CN during each commercial break, no lame-ass live TRL-wannabe crap clogging up weekdays, no LAAAAME-ass SNL-wannabe crap clogging up weekends, no horribly unfunny thirteen year old girls getting their own TV shows, and no ad nauseum overnight reruns of not-too-old programming for months (Futurama and Family Guy are not ad nauseum yet, and Futurama is being taken off this month in fact).I have Comcast and I still have Nick Too. When am I supposed to get NTTV?

Primetime is not variety. It's far from that.

CN is turning into Nickelodeon in some ways. Both Nick and CN have exclusive "Johnny English" ads (and JE isn't even a cartoon). The Cartoon Cartoons are repeated over and over (Nicktoons) while classics are pushed to the side (older Nicktoons).

[Killtacular]

Well, Johnny English is a PG film, and Cartoon Network has had sweepstakes involving many live-action PG films in the past several years. It's impossible not to get live-action sponsors. They're (the sponsors) only trying to grab the same demographic. To have only cartoon ads on a network would be nigh impossible.

Comparing classic cartoons to older Nicktoons? I dunno, but I find LTs way more enjoyable than Doug, Rugrats, and Ren & Stimpy. Unless you meant classic Cartoon Cartoons, and I doubt anyone on this board would say such a phrase, but CN does air their older cartoon cartoons over night (like Cow & Chicken and Johnny Bravo). CN doesn't air Mike Lu & Og anymore, but that's for the best.

[Steve Carras]

NONE, and I mean NONE of the 1980s-90s toons and toons after 1990s that CN airs in my opinion SHOULD be on..I think they oughta stop at late 1970s, and put in the Stooges, Abbott and Costello, and Laurel and Hardy, and Alvin (sixties), Linusi, Magoo, and Bozo cartoons. And the Gumby shorts are they sounded BEFORE Clokey gaver them an audio overhaul (I'd rather see the 132 made in the fifties-sixties.)

That is all.

PS Regarding Mssr.Johnny ERngoloshy, Isaw that and it was HILARIOUS!!!

Mr.Atkinsonb, well done job!

[RKillian]

Also, AOLTW doesn't own Comcast. AOLTW owns their own Time Warner Cable division. Which is also quite large. But it's not Comcast. I forget who Comcast is owned by. They used to be Suburban Cable in my area, before merging and renaming themselves.

OK, then there was a misunderstanding. Out here, we used to get Warner Cable. Which then for a very short while was AT&T cable. And then it became Comcast, which it is to this day. So I just logically figured Comcast was a division of AOLTW like about a thousand other companies.


Primetime has variety. You've got Cartoon Cartoons, action cartoons, and a side of Tom & Jerry. Considering the primetime lineup a year ago was almost entirely Cartoon Cartoons, this is a big improvement. Although they DID have Flintstones at night last year. But Flintstones was all over the network back then.. annoyingly.

It's just every time I turn on the TV I see EEnE or one of the other Nicktoons I don't like. I mean, I loved Dexter's Lab and Johnny Bravo when they were new...and before the suits got in and changed them. There for awhile Courage was on about 5 times a day and, while it's a wonderful show, gets old quick when shown so much. So all I really see are CCs, HeMan, Armada, JL, Family Guy, Futurama and this morning I discovered that Looney Tunes was still airing. They usually put a snore job or five on between midnight and Lupin or GIJoe.



And yet it isn't. There's no horrible BET-wannabe rap stars infecting CN during each commercial break, no lame-ass live TRL-wannabe crap clogging up weekdays, no LAAAAME-ass SNL-wannabe crap clogging up weekends, no horribly unfunny thirteen year old girls getting their own TV shows, and no ad nauseum overnight reruns of not-too-old programming for months (Futurama and Family Guy are not ad nauseum yet, and Futurama is being taken off this month in fact).

Granted, I haven't watched alot of Nickelodeom in recent years, largely because of that filth. I guess I'm thinking back about 5 years ago, when they were airing Doug endlessly, interspersed with "new" Double Dare reruns and What Would You Do. This was after they had taken off Ren & Stimpy and Rocko's Modern Life though, both shows that I enjoyed at the time. So yeah, I'm a little dated. I just remember seeing Rugrats on for the billionth run every time of the day that I stopped watching. Though I have seen Rocket Power, a show that's overplayed if it shows once a week.


It just needs a little help getting organized. The network's problem has always, ALWAYS been: either too much of something, or not enough. Boomerang seems to do a decent job at giving shows equal time, but then again, it doesn't have as large a library to deal with.

I can't say with any authority at the moment, lacking the channel and all, but they're probably doing the same thing with Scooby there now that they did with him on CN (and TNT and WB17 and so on) as recently as 6 months ago. Do you realize just how large the Hanna Barbera library is? What bothers me is that won't even scratch the surface of it, even if it means running classics like Yogi Bear and Flintstones into the ground.

I'd do anything to see Challenge of the GoBots air again. And it would be much likelier to happen if CN split into three networks like I outlined. Of course, every legitimate complaint anyone here has ever made would be answered if Warner would release more DVDs. I'd go without electricity for month to get a GoBots DVD collection. Hell, I would be going without electricity and whatever else for quite awhile if they would've sold me the distribution license I wanted.

I guess what I look at is how easy it would be to produce such a DVD. All it takes is 24 minutes with a broadcast master and a decently equipped PC. Pressing the discs would be the only holdup, but a company like WB can do it far cheaper than any of us. Is it ignorance of the demands for such a set or the fact that it'd sell "only" a million copies?

Sorry, I guess I've gotten a little off topic.


The people who run Cartoon Network love cartoons. Read Mike Lazzo's interview about the history of the network, it's quite interesting. Even though some of the newer executives are NOT people I'd want on CN, the majority of the staff at CN, CN On-Air, and Williams Street, are still major cartoon fans.

I've heard Mr Lazzo has done some god things. I also heard he was moved to another part of the company though. He sounds like a guy I could talk to, he really does, but I'm sure we'd have our differences though.

What's CN On-Air? And how can I get ahold of Williams Street?

[RKillian]

NONE, and I mean NONE of the 1980s-90s toons and toons after 1990s that CN airs in my opinion SHOULD be on..I think they oughta stop at late 1970s, and put in the Stooges, Abbott and Costello, and Laurel and Hardy, and Alvin (sixties), Linusi, Magoo, and Bozo cartoons. And the Gumby shorts are they sounded BEFORE Clokey gaver them an audio overhaul (I'd rather see the 132 made in the fifties-sixties.)

That is all.

PS Regarding Mssr.Johnny ERngoloshy, Isaw that and it was HILARIOUS!!!

Mr.Atkinsonb, well done job!

Robbing people of the opportunity to see Batman: The Animated Series would be cruel. I also don't think the 1980s were such a horrible dark ages for animation. The decade brought us Challenge of the GoBots, Thundercats, TransFormers, Voltron, TMNT, Dragon Ball, Garfield (I think?), Captain N: The Game Master, Super Mario Super Show, Inspector Gadget and many others. All of them would be welcomed for a run or two on Carton Network.

[Killtacular]

I mean, I loved Dexter's Lab and Johnny Bravo when they were new...and before the suits got in and changed them.
Um, what? lol. The suits didn't change Dexter's Lab. Chris Savino took over Dexter and people left. Gary Hartle took over Johnny Bravo and people left. There was no executive monkey business, it's just people decided to find other jobs. The Bravo team left out of anger, over reasons noone will ever know. Staff from Dexter left because they had work in other TV shows (Rob Renzetti, for example, has his own Nicktoon now).

Hope that clears up another misunderstanding.


There for awhile Courage was on about 5 times a day and, while it's a wonderful show, gets old quick when shown so much.
Yeah, but that's no different than me saying Tom and Jerry or Looney Tunes gets old. Whether you find the show rewatchable or not is all a matter of preference. And for the record, Courage was not on FIVE times a DAY. At the most, it was on in the morning, afternoon, primetime, and overnight. But for a while it wasn't on afternoons at all. It's only returned to afternoons recently with Camp Cartoon Cartoon.


So all I really see are CCs, HeMan, Armada, JL, Family Guy, Futurama and this morning I discovered that Looney Tunes was still airing. They usually put a snore job or five on between midnight and Lupin or GIJoe.
I'm not sure what that means, since the shows on Adult Swim between 12:00 and 2:00 are hardly snore material. GI Joe? Yeah, that's a little boring. But Batman and Superman? Again, if anyone can sleep through them, I must question their sanity. Although then again, it IS at 1 am.. so if people can't stay up, they're simply not night people like I am.


I can't say with any authority at the moment, lacking the channel and all, but they're probably doing the same thing with Scooby there now that they did with him on CN (and TNT and WB17 and so on) as recently as 6 months ago. Do you realize just how large the Hanna Barbera library is? What bothers me is that won't even scratch the surface of it, even if it means running classics like Yogi Bear and Flintstones into the ground.

Well, actually, they've reduced a lot of Scooby's time in the past 2 years. Scooby went from 40 hours a week to somewhere around 15. But then they added more Pup Named Scooby Doo. Ugh, I have a feeling that was just filling a programming hole.


I've heard Mr Lazzo has done some god things. I also heard he was moved to another part of the company though. He sounds like a guy I could talk to, he really does, but I'm sure we'd have our differences though.
Lazzo was originally the Senior VP of programming and acquisitions for the whole network, but stepped down and became Senior VP of programming and aquisitions for Adult Swim only, back in February.

Notice something about the schedule? It was good BEFORE he left. And crappy AFTER he left. There you have it.

Hopefully this new guy can fix the job of whomever has been doing Lazzo's job the past few months..


What's CN On-Air? And how can I get ahold of Williams Street?
CN On-Air is the team in charge of doing interstitials, music videos, and the many specials like The Big Game, JBVO, and The Golden Anvils.

Williams Street is in Atlanta, GA, on (guess) Williams St. Finding the building is a doozy though.

[RKillian]

Um, what? lol. The suits didn't change Dexter's Lab. Chris Savino took over Dexter and people left. Gary Hartle took over Johnny Bravo and people left. There was no executive monkey business, it's just people decided to find other jobs. The Bravo team left out of anger, over reasons noone will ever know. Staff from Dexter left because they had work in other TV shows (Rob Renzetti, for example, has his own Nicktoon now).

Hope that clears up another misunderstanding.

When creative people leave out of anger, it's because of something management did, so Johnny Bravo does fall under what I said. If only little bits of Dexter had changed, I'd think it was just the team getting into a groove. Everything from the art to the dialogue to the stories themselves have been very different and tanked. People might've left to do other things, but I'd bet alot of those changes were suggested/forced by the people footing the bill, IE the suits. In the entertainment industry, people aren't always truthful either. Singers pass out from "exhaustion" instead of drug withdrawals. People leave over "creative differences" rather than getting screwed. It's motivated by wanting to work somewhere else in Hollywood without a bad public image. Anyhow, regardless of who was responsible, I haven't been a fan of either 2nd acts.


I'm not sure what that means, since the shows on Adult Swim between 12:00 and 2:00 are hardly snore material. GI Joe? Yeah, that's a little boring. But Batman and Superman? Again, if anyone can sleep through them, I must question their sanity. Although then again, it IS at 1 am.. so if people can't stay up, they're simply not night people like I am.

Wasn't Batman/Superman on _after_ Lupin and GIJoe, at around 2-3 AM?

When I say snoresville, I mean Reign: The Conquerer. I could've been shooting up cocaine and still fallen asleep 30 seconds in. Everytime I miraculously managed to get through it (or, more often, watch something else like paint drying or grass growing), I ended up missing the last 5 minutes of the show I wanted to watch. Getting up at 6AM every day for work takes a toll I guess.


Well, actually, they've reduced a lot of Scooby's time in the past 2 years. Scooby went from 40 hours a week to somewhere around 15. But then they added more Pup Named Scooby Doo. Ugh, I have a feeling that was just filling a programming hole.

So that's why I haven't been tempted to jump off a bridge so much lately? I liked A Pup Named Scooby Doo when it aired in the late 80s with Flintstone Kids, but I don't think there are enough episodes to run it that often on CN. I really wish they'd give another HB property a slot of two.


Lazzo was originally the Senior VP of programming and acquisitions for the whole network, but stepped down and became Senior VP of programming and aquisitions for Adult Swim only, back in February.Notice something about the schedule? It was good BEFORE he left. And crappy AFTER he left. There you have it.Hopefully this new guy can fix the job of whomever has been doing Lazzo's job the past few months..

Of course, that also means he was at the helm during the Scooby Doo Network days. Cartoon Network hasn't had much appeal to me for about 3 years. HeMan, Justice League, and the better parts of Adult Swim have helped change that somewhat, but it's still got a ways to go.


CN On-Air is the team in charge of doing interstitials, music videos, and the many specials like The Big Game, JBVO, and The Golden Anvils. Williams Street is in Atlanta, GA, on (guess) Williams St. Finding the building is a doozy though.

Darn. I was hoping I could ask them (WS) a few questions about a particular show. They seem to be a little more in-touch with the viewers or at least a little more open.

[Senbei Norimaki]

I also don't think the 1980s were such a horrible dark ages for animation. The decade brought us Challenge of the GoBots, Thundercats, TransFormers, Voltron, TMNT, Dragon Ball, Garfield (I think?), Captain N: The Game Master, Super Mario Super Show, Inspector Gadget and many others. All of them would be welcomed for a run or two on Carton Network.

The 80's are considered a dark time in the history of American animation because most of the shows from that period were just 30 minute toy commercials.

[RKillian]

The 80's are considered a dark time in the history of American animation because most of the shows from that period were just 30 minute toy commercials.

Those shows entertained me far more than most of the toyless drivel everyone's been showing lately. That doesn't count anime or shows like Justice League...

[Daniel P]

Granted, I haven't watched alot of Nickelodeom in recent years, largely because of that filth. I guess I'm thinking back about 5 years ago, when they were airing Doug endlessly, interspersed with "new" Double Dare reruns and What Would You Do. This was after they had taken off Ren & Stimpy and Rocko's Modern Life though, both shows that I enjoyed at the time. So yeah, I'm a little dated. I just remember seeing Rugrats on for the billionth run every time of the day that I stopped watching. Though I have seen Rocket Power, a show that's overplayed if it shows once a week.
Nick is much worse now. It's some kind of teeny-bopper channel. And there are about five or six Nicktoons that they just run over and over and over and over and everything else is on at 6:30am or not on at all. Their live-action shows I won't even discuss.