Which do you prefer? The new or old Batman Adventures?

[Hawk Wing]

This has come accross my mind since 1997 when the new adventures of batman came out and has stayed there until this day, so which do you think is better? I personally think the old series was better, better plot,better fight scenes, and an old feel of Batman. The new Adventures was more now days, more of the present, it had beter graphics, better sound, great fight scenes also but it just wasn't as good. I mean come on they did not protray Bruce Wayne well at all, he is suspose to be a nice guy who laughs and you wouldn't expect him to be Batman, on the new one he was always series and people told him plenty of times to loosen up, i don't recall him smiling at all on any of the epsiodes, but like i said it had great graphics, sound, and fighting scenes which made it stick out. Well, what do you think?

[NewMaxFranklin]

I thought the new episodes were superior in animation-style/quality. My fave ep's are all from TNBA; "Mad Love," Never Fear" and "Growing Pains." I like Tim Drake a lot. I'd have to go with TNBA. I like the re-designs too. Though Joker looked naked without his red lips.

[BWDK]

In prefer the first 2 seasons. TNBA had many redesigns that really sucked (Catwoman, Joker, Mad Hatter). Tim Drake was way too young and the Mr Freeze story was pointless, Freeze always had motive (saving his wife) and now he's just out there to kill people? I'm not buying that. I also think that the Bat-Team-Ups (at least 3 heroes) were annoying Batman was rarely out without a sidekick. But TNBA also had a few good episodes and I liked the redesigns of Killer Croc and Bane.

IMO TNBA is more a kids show and not as suitable for grown-ups as BTAS was.

[Salvor]

Haven't discussed this like a thousand times before? Anyway the first series looked more stylish to me. The new adventures were a rather classic tv show.

[Nightflower]

BTAS

[Bird Boy]

TNBA... :D

lots of factors why I do. Mainly cuz Robin appeared more. I love Batman and all, but, I liked it when Robin was in it too...he always lightened up the mood with his sarcasm..

-BB

[kid_flash]

It's a really tough call. But I've always been a fan of story of over art (unless the art REALLY sucks), so I'll have to go with BTAS. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE TNBA (some of my fave episodes in all of Bat-history are "Over the Edge," "Old Wounds," and "Beware the Creeper."), and the animation was by far superior, but overall I'd say BTAS. Most of the time, the animation was great, and I'd say I like a greater percentage of BTAS stories to TNBA stories. Also, I REALLY like the title cards they had in BTAS.

[TerryMcGuiness]

I liked them both alot. Together, they have the virtue of being the most natural progression of the mythos ever. Everything is very well done and all the peices fall into place and you don't have a bunch of convluted gratuitious stuff like Azrael and such.

Visually, I think Bruce Timm did succeed in improvingon his designs alot. Though I believe it was not until now with evolution that came out of ROTJ and brought full circle in the JL design that he perfected his Joker.

My all time favorite improvement from the new batch of Batman eps was Bruce Timms design for Bruce Wayne. Totally freakin cool!

Also, theres something very intresting about Gotham having a red sky. Its an abstraction of course, but its one the succeeds.

In short I like them both very much and I only wish the mainlien comics were as cool or at the very least that DC would start to give a damn about their TAS titles.

[optimal321]

Well, first off, i love them both. Each had their own strenghts and weaknesses which made them both good and not so good. But BTAS is just better, imo.

[JLU Dude]

I like both Batman: The Animated Series/The Adventures of Batman and Robin and The New Batman Adventures. But, remember Batman: The Animated Series/The Adventures of Batman and Robin, The New Batman Adventures, Superman: The Animated Series/The New Superman Adventures,, and Justuce League are in the same continunity.

[Failure]

I liked BTAS better, it was a bit more thought out than TNBA, which was more like BB in it's focus on action. The animation was better on TNBA (except for some bad character designs eg. Catwoman, Mad Hatter), but the writing was generally better in BTAS imo. Of course when TNBA was on top of it's game (Mad Love, Over the Edge), it's hard to say.

[Daughterof_Evil]

TNBA, while superior in graphics and fight scenes (those old bulky Batman forms just weren't built for complex fights), was seriously lacking in substantial storylines. They should have really laid off the cooky super villains and instead focused on "normal guy" villains like mob bosses or ninjas or something. A return of Cain would have been nice, plus some more insight into Bruce's martial arts past. A clue of where Dick had gone after he quit would have been welcome.

However, when the plots were emotional and had fulfilling motives, like in Over the Edge, Growing Pains, and Mad Love, the new series was really in top form.

[mosszonedotcom]

Batman: TAS lacking in story lines? Come on now. Batman: TAS was better in every respect. Also, TNBA is better than Batman Beyond. Batman Beyond will probably be better than Justice League.

I like all four, but the changes have just been to keep people interested. Batman: TAS was the original idea. (Sort of the director's cut)

[Hawk Wing]

Thanks for all the replies!! I love both of the series to death and its really hard to choose!!

[Trent Lane]

I didn't want to start a new thread for this topic, so I figured this would be the best place to ask: Was it ever explained why Bruce changed the Batman logo? Also, how did the change in the Robin and Batgirl costumes come about? Lastly, what happened to the B:TAS Batmobile that caused them to adopt the one seen in TNBA?

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by flhero311
I didn't want to start a new thread for this topic, so I figured this would be the best place to ask: Was it ever explained why Bruce changed the Batman logo? Also, how did the change in the Robin and Batgirl costumes come about? Lastly, what happened to the B:TAS Batmobile that caused them to adopt the one seen in TNBA?

I don't think it was ever explained. In fact, hasn't it been established that even in TNBA flashbacks to time periods that were in BTAS time that the yellow oval had disappeared? I'm think of the flashback in "Mad Love," in particular.

[kid_flash]

Another thing I didn't mention! I like the TNBA Batman better. I was never a fan of the bat on yellow for the chest design, and I like the puches on the utility belt over the other one.

I think, overall, the design were better on TNBA (sorry, I actually like Catwoman and Poison Ivy). The Joker design, as pointed out by Bruce Timm (I think) in the ROTJ commentary, the design worked really well but didn't animate well. The Batmobile is always really nice in TNBA.

But still, overall, BTAS is better.

[Mr. Mayhem]

Well, I like to look at it as one show because really it is. Even though tt's just went through a redesign and about three name changes. BTAS had more episodes than both The Adventures of Batman & Robin and The New Batman Adventures so it's really sort of unfair to judge by quality of episodes. Let's face it, TNBA really only had two down right horrible episodes and that was Critters and Chemistry. BTAS had few more than that. However, like I said before, it's all the same show. A great show! As far as style goes, I kinda like the TNBA designs more. Especially when TMS does the animation.

[Vin]

Originally posted by Mr. Mayhem
Well, I like to look at it as one show because really it is. Even though tt's just went through a redesign and about three name changes. BTAS had more episodes than both The Adventures of Batman & Robin and The New Batman Adventures so it's really sort of unfair to judge by quality of episodes. Let's face it, TNBA really only had two down right horrible episodes and that was Critters and Chemistry. BTAS had few more than that. However, like I said before, it's all the same show. A great show! As far as style goes, I kinda like the TNBA designs more. Especially when TMS does the animation.

Yeah, I agree with what Mr. Mayhem has to say. They are really the same show, but it's gone through it's various changes as time progressed. Personally, I enjoyed the TNBA animation.

[James Harvey]

Originally posted by Mr. Mayhem
Well, I like to look at it as one show because really it is. Even though tt's just went through a redesign and about three name changes. BTAS had more episodes than both The Adventures of Batman & Robin and The New Batman Adventures so it's really sort of unfair to judge by quality of episodes. Let's face it, TNBA really only had two down right horrible episodes and that was Critters and Chemistry. BTAS had few more than that. However, like I said before, it's all the same show. A great show! As far as style goes, I kinda like the TNBA designs more. Especially when TMS does the animation.

Mayhem has a great point. While the name of the show may have changed. While the designs may have been tweaked - it is still the same show. Overall, the show was excellent - way ahead of it's time. It's considered one of the best animated shows every made, and I back it 110%. The show was basically the birth of a new era in animation. Fittingly, when the show went, so did that era. It puttered on with BATMAN BEYOND for a little while, but when BATMAN was finished, so was that era for animation.

[Kitty Pryde]

ok obviously being from england i have not seen the TNA of Batman on Tv but i have downloaded them of the internet (im a bad girl). I must admit i like them but there isnt the same feel as with the animated series.

Joker in TNA is more evil which is cool and the fight scenes are more violent but he doesnt have the fun with the old Joker.
Scarecrow in TNA is so much better
but Batman seems less cool in TNA, I miss how at the start of the episode you would have a little picture with music playing in the background (they took that out when it turned into the adventures of Batman and Robin).
I also miss how cool the stories were in TAS, I felt TNA was to similar or just dumb (critters any one??) like two face plans to release poison gas into the city on one episode and then on never fear Scarecrow pretty much does the same thing.
Also the judge thing sucked , Harvey is called 2 face for a reason right?.

Over all both of them are great but none of them compare to howard the duck thats why i will have to go for TAS

[Firefly]

I would Have to go with TNBA because I like Tim Drake as Robin And Nightwing is my favriote charecter I only wish he appered more I like the way they potrayed Bruce in BTAS I also like all of the chracter redesigns exept the Joker's. I also liked the animation better and as BIrd_Boy said Robin appeard more

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Hawk Wing
I mean come on they did not protray Bruce Wayne well at all, he is suspose to be a nice guy who laughs and you wouldn't expect him to be Batman, on the new one he was always series and people told him plenty of times to loosen up, i don't recall him smiling at all on any of the epsiodes

Not true at all. In BTAS, Wayne was smiling and laughing even in private. That's not a good representation at all. In TNBA, we clearly saw the Bruce is the mask, not Batman, which is dead on. Most of the time, Bruce acted exactly like Batman. That's because the man is Batman. Bruce Wayne died a long time ago, probably around the same time his parents did. The Batman persona is what truly lives in the man now.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by BWDK
IMO TNBA is more a kids show and not as suitable for grown-ups as BTAS was.

That doesn't sound accurate at all. With episodes like "Mad Love," "Over the Edge," and "Old Wounds" there's no way you can say its a kid's show. Plus, consider that episode with Roxy Rocket and the coldness that we saw in Wayne's portrayal throughout the TNBA episodes. Hardly kids stuff.

[Maxie Zeus]

Originally posted by DarkAngel
That doesn't sound accurate at all. With episodes like "Mad Love," "Over the Edge," and "Old Wounds" there's no way you can say its a kid's show. Plus, consider that episode with Roxy Rocket and the coldness that we saw in Wayne's portrayal throughout the TNBA episodes. Hardly kids stuff.

I think BWDK's point is that there is greater emphasis on action than on character, and on colorful villains than on human drama. That is true, and the producers I think have admitted as much. (Not really their choice, either.)

It testifies to the immense skill and subtlety of Timm, Dini and Burnett (and others) that they were able to still able to instill dark sensibility into the show, and to make even the lightest episodes interesting to adults. Even if the show was pitched toward a younger demographic, they never bought into the conceit that the younger demographic needed "light" stories.

[Hawk Wing]

Originally posted by DarkAngel

Not true at all. In BTAS, Wayne was smiling and laughing even in private. That's not a good representation at all. In TNBA, we clearly saw the Bruce is the mask, not Batman, which is dead on. Most of the time, Bruce acted exactly like Batman. That's because the man is Batman. Bruce Wayne died a long time ago, probably around the same time his parents did. The Batman persona is what truly lives in the man now.


Actually Bruce Wayne is supose to be a fun loving guy who laughs and jokes all the time and who you would never expect to be Batman, now Batman is suspose to be a cold hearted person who puts fear into everyones eyes and who doesn't really joke around, two different people basically. They really explain all this in the Batman comics, you should really start reading those. And actually Batman wasn't really that "Dark" until the animated series came, and the episodes on the series didn't really tell a lot about Batman, just a lot of made up stories basically, all in all the series was good though.

And now that i think of it i really liked TNBA better, i used to watch it all the time back in 97-early 2001, they used to show it over 7 times a day, it was a popular item in vegas (where i am) my bro told me back in April 2001 (back when the show went off the air) he said you're 14 years old and still watching this kiddie show, i did get kinda embarrised (however you spell that) people laugh at me when i say i watch the show but now i don't care, i love the show and the games. Its really sad how you didn't see all the episodes Kitty Pryde, it makes me realize how lucky i was to see the show 10 times a day, 7 day a week, over 300 days a year, it was a great show to not be missed but thats what happens when you're in a different country and a show is not in your county (dragon ball z was in japan and if they hadn't thought it would sale in the USA we would have never of got it, unless they think TNBA ill sale you won't get it), but ill do this, if TNBA comes back on the air (most likely) ill record them with my digital camera and make a webpage just for you so you can download them (ill upload them), of course thats if the show comes back on and when it comes back on.

[NewMaxFranklin]

Originally posted by flhero311
I didn't want to start a new thread for this topic, so I figured this would be the best place to ask: Was it ever explained why Bruce changed the Batman logo? Also, how did the change in the Robin and Batgirl costumes come about? Lastly, what happened to the B:TAS Batmobile that caused them to adopt the one seen in TNBA?

Ouote from Batman Animated (book): "Figuring the years between the series had made Batman much darker emotionallly, Bruce (Timm) droped all color from his costume, keeping him in grey and black, with an unadorned bat chest emblem strikingly reminiscent of the character's first comic book costume."

I love almost all the re-designs, besides Riddler. All the new Joker design needed was his red lips. There's picture of re-design Joker in Batman Animated where he has the red lips and it looks perfect. (I'd scan it for you, but the thing's broken. I have sooo much artwork to share with you guys, too. ~sigh~

[DerekPowers]

Over all, definately btas. the stories and character development and supporting cast were soooo much better than tnba (not that i dont love tnba:)) and there was just so much more atmosphere and stuff.

and i dont know why everyone likes the animation in tnba better (saying its more streamline and fluid). i disagree. if you compare the best animated tas ep and the best tnba, id say its a toss up (like, imo, the best animation comes from eps like "p.o.v" vs "over the edge/world's finest part 1"). tas had the detailed close ups which i loved, and over the edge had cgi. but pov would get it because overall the designs in btas were much more complex and detailed, compared to the really simplified tnba. (not that the stylized tnba isnt great, just that its harder to animate the details, so if its done really well, its such a great thing). and if you look at most of the adventures of batman and robin eps, they all have consistently good animation (partly because it was slightly simplified). so i really dont see how tnba's animation was any better than tas, if anything, it was worse.

anyway, after my animation rant, i guess its obvious my vote goes to tas. i really loved tnba and thought the changes and redesigns were needed and breathed new life into gotham. redesigns i like more than the originals were penguin and bane, and ties were catwoman, bruce, poison ivy. i hated the new croc and baby dohl. well those are my opinions. peace.

[Mr. Mayhem]

You know I don't mean to be a stick in the mud, but I really think we need to stop debating the question of which was better. I mean I truly do look at this as being one show. Cartoon Network looks at it as one show, Columbia House does, but fans still have trouble with this. Many shows go through great changes in the course of the seasons. Just be glad that Batman was still more than decent to watch by the end of it's run. Many shows can get down right horrible by the time they end. However, Batman ended with two classic episodes: Judgement Day and Mad Love. Also, it's kinda hard to really call TNBA "new", anymore. 1997 was four years ago. As time moves on, Batman will be looked at as one classic animated series. A series that had some great episodes to offer like Heart of Ice, Laughing Fish, I Am The Night, Old Wounds, Over The Edge, and Mad Love. So let's just accept it as being that. No other series based on a comic book character has been able to hold a candle to it!

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Mr. Mayhem
You know I don't mean to be a stick in the mud, but I really think we need to stop debating the question of which was better. I mean I truly do look at this as being one show.

Same here. But this always comes up with most supporting BTAS and saying TNBA wasn't quite up there in quality. It's nonsense, which is why I always try to defend TNBA. I shouldn't have to, as the quality of work is the same. And, like you said, it's the same show.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Hawk Wing

Actually Bruce Wayne is supose to be a fun loving guy who laughs and jokes all the time and who you would never expect to be Batman, now Batman is suspose to be a cold hearted person who puts fear into everyones eyes and who doesn't really joke around, two different people basically.

I understand that and I am quite familiar with the comics. What I'm saying is that Bruce Wayne is a "fun loving guy who laughs and jokes" only in public. In private, he's no different than when he's wearing the costume. TNBA reflected that, whereas BTAS didn't.

[Hawk Wing]

Orignally posted by DarkAngel

I understand that and I am quite familiar with the comics. What I'm saying is that Bruce Wayne is a "fun loving guy who laughs and jokes" only in public. In private, he's no different than when he's wearing the costume. TNBA reflected that, whereas BTAS didn't.


This is true what you said, but on TNBA Bruce Wayne didn't act "fun loving" in private or public, recall the time when Bruce went to a club with some women (forgot her name) and she made a joke about her underwear, Bruce didn't get it and she said it was a joke. I myself have seen all the TNBA epsiodes a least hmmm 50 times each and i do not recall Bruce ever smilling what so ever. Also recall in BTAS Bruce always joked around and always had fun, remember the one epsiode where Bruce was talking to the commishioner, he sounded fun loving and caring, then when he got off the phone man, he was a different person, his voice was deeper, he wasn't smiling anymore or anything. Just wanted to point that out.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Hawk Wing
Orignally posted by DarkAngel



This is true what you said, but on TNBA Bruce Wayne didn't act "fun loving" in private or public, recall the time when Bruce went to a club with some women (forgot her name) and she made a joke about her underwear, Bruce didn't get it and she said it was a joke. I myself have seen all the TNBA epsiodes a least hmmm 50 times each and i do not recall Bruce ever smilling what so ever. Also recall in BTAS Bruce always joked around and always had fun, remember the one epsiode where Bruce was talking to the commishioner, he sounded fun loving and caring, then when he got off the phone man, he was a different person, his voice was deeper, he wasn't smiling anymore or anything. Just wanted to point that out.

In BTAS, he only sounded like a different person when the mask came on. With TNBA, I understand what you're saying. Bruce's "lighter" personality was toned down. And in general, we didn't see Bruce in as many public moments as in BTAS (at least from what I remember). However, if you look World's Finest, there were a lot of moments when we saw a lighter Bruce. Particulary scenes with Lois, or when Bruce was at the Daily Planet or some other public location.

But overall, you're right, we saw a much more serious, much colder Bruce. In comparing BTAS and BTNA, though, I feel TNBA's portrayal of Bruce was more accurate. Ultimately, Bruce is Batman, not the other way around. And we clearly saw that in TNBA.

[mosszonedotcom]

Originally posted by DarkAngel


Same here. But this always comes up with most supporting BTAS and saying TNBA wasn't quite up there in quality. It's nonsense, which is why I always try to defend TNBA. I shouldn't have to, as the quality of work is the same. And, like you said, it's the same show.

I'm not saying that TNBA is not of high quality. I believe that BTAS, TNBA, and Batman Beyond are the three highest quality tv shows ever produced. However, my opinion, and I would bet that the majority opinion, is that the ranking is as follows...

1. Batman: The Animated Series
2. The New Batman Adventures
3. Batman Beyond

You can start ranking all other tv shows ever produced below those. The best thing about them is that they all respect and flow into one another so beautifully. They don't conflict and distort the others (as X-Men: Evolution and live action Batman movies do), but instead complement and enchance our enjoyment of the other two.

My cable package didn't start getting WB until recently. Being a hard core fan of the original two series, I was a bit skeptical at first that Batman Beyond would be disrespectful to the greatness that is Animated Batman. However, after watching a few minutes of their first BB episode ("Once Burned"), I knew that BB was going to complete the story. Now, my vcr is working overtime recording BB episodes.

[Karkull]

Batman: The Animated Series

Pro:
Spectacular stories and better, crisp artwork; great character designs (Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Mad Hatter, Clayface, etc.), a variety of adversaries (supervillains, gangsters, corporate monguls, supercomputers), using Mr. Freeze for only special occasions (the classic Heart of Ice and Deep Freeze).

Con:
Not enough Catwoman appearances (as a villain), poor Bane design, the inclusion of Robin in all the later episodes.

The New Batman Adventures

Pro:
Great redesigns of existing characters (Batman, Commisioner Gordon, Joker, Catwoman, Bane, Scarecrow), the inclusion of Nightwing, Calender Girl, and Tim Drake; Over the Edge, the continuation of a great series.

Con
Poor stories and murky art, poor redesigns of existing characters (Riddler, Mad Hatter, Baby Doll, the Ventriloquist), radically changing the Penguin and Killer Croc without explaining how they changed them (skin color for Croc, fingers and body type for Penguin), sucking the drama out of Mr. Freeze (Cold Comfort), putting Firefly in an episode that mirrored Mad as a Hatter (minus the sympathy for the villain), the reliance on solely super-villains for adversaries, the lingering death of a great series.

I have to say Batman: The Animated Series was way better.

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Karkull


Poor stories and murky art, poor redesigns of existing characters (Riddler, Mad Hatter, Baby Doll, the Ventriloquist), radically changing the Penguin and Killer Croc without explaining how they changed them (skin color for Croc, fingers and body type for Penguin), sucking the drama out of Mr. Freeze (Cold Comfort), putting Firefly in an episode that mirrored Mad as a Hatter (minus the sympathy for the villain), the reliance on solely super-villains for adversaries, the lingering death of a great series.

I have to say Batman: The Animated Series was way better.

That's far from accurate. How can you say TNBA had poor stories? Given that there a lot of solid episodes, you can't characterize the entire series as being one of poor stories. "Over the Edge" was not the only great episode. There was "Old Wounds" and "Mad Love" as well. Other episodes were very good: the Scarface episode, the Nightwing/Catwoman episode, the Two-Face/Judge episode, the one with Superman and Robin investigating Bruce's disappearance. "World's Finest" was of great quality as well.

The Mr. Freeze episode wasn't the debacle you make it out to be. His attitude certainly didn't come out of nowhere. Years had been devoted to trying to save his wife. When she finally was at the end of "Sub-Zero," why didn't he return to her? We finally found out in that TNBA episode. After finally getting what he wanted (his wife alive and well), it was a major twist to discover his condition had deteriorated. It was a very interesting development. Victor's rage at the horror life had dealt him was believable and understandable. It was hardly lacking in drama.

Criticizing the redesigns to Croc and Penguin is also ridiculous, as there's nothing to explain. There appearance isn't due to a story element, but to the fact that visual look was being redesigned. There was nothing wrong with them. I liked Penguin's look, which was like the comic representation. I actually also liked Mad Hatter's new look, which reminded me more of the Alice in Wonderland character that he's based on.

And your description of the art being murky doesn't do justice to TNBA's visuals overall. The animation itself wasn't certainly superior to BTAS. Add in those great designs you mentioned, and what exists is great visuals.

All shows have pros and cons. Don't make TNBA's out to be significantly worse than BTAS, because that's not even close to being true.

[Karkull]

In some cases the scripts for TNBA were a definite step down from their former greatness. They lost that great element of drama that BTAS always had (even in their worst episodes) and replaced it with more goofy jokes. Episodes like Love is a Croc, Joker's Millions, and Torch Song don't hold a candle to the original series.

This isn't to say that all of the episodes were bad, however. Some of the episodes did turn out rather well (Never Fear, You Scratch My Back, The Demon Within), but they didn't have the same magic that BTAS had. The show now just seemed like another cartoon show.

[D-Mono]

Both shows have different things to offer the viewer, and I regard both as equals, really. While I prefer almost all of the redesigns from TNBA, I only disliked a few, namely the Joker (which was remedied in the ROTJ flashback - however, I prefer TNBA Joker to TAS Joker, visually) and the Mad Hatter (whose design was never really consistant - I liked him when he had full eyes, ala most of "Animal Act", but not 'rat Hatter').
About Freeze - I don't know why no-one else can understand his motives in "Cold Comfort". He is acting out of pain, and wants everyone to feel his loss - of both his body and his beloved wife, Nora. He wants to take away everyone else's happiness so they too will suffer. An extremely cold motive, and very Freeze, if you ask me. :)
D-Mono.

[Joker85]

I don't understand why you are arguing over which show was better because, to me, it was the same show with a different look. Just like when shows change networks, the look of the show sometimes change. TAS and TNBA were the same show and that show was great!! All shows have their good epps and their bad epps. THe only difference between TAS version and TNBA version is Character designs and the addition of new characters. All good shows go through this. So maybe it would help you all if you just looked at them as 1 show, instead of 2 seperate shows. JMO:)

[DarkAngel]

Originally posted by Joker85
I don't understand why you are arguing over which show was better because, to me, it was the same show with a different look. Just like when shows change networks, the look of the show sometimes change. TAS and TNBA were the same show and that show was great!! All shows have their good epps and their bad epps. THe only difference between TAS version and TNBA version is Character designs and the addition of new characters. All good shows go through this. So maybe it would help you all if you just looked at them as 1 show, instead of 2 seperate shows. JMO:)

I feel the same way. But when someone's going to unnecessarily criticize TNBA, I'm going to defend it. There's no magic that's been lost. Like you said, it's all one show. They all possessed the same quality, the same "magic."

[Super Teen]

The new ones are good but the old ones are great because of the more episodes and the cool tone.

[James Harvey]

Welcome to the boards, Super-Teen. Great to see a new face here! As I've stated before - BTAS and TNBA are the same show, so there's no real reason to compare. I enjoy them both, and I was pumped to see the show back on the air!